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I think it would be a better idea to play Sossego again for Robin than playing 2 solos in the show wich break the momentum.
Most of people who went to see GNR in their European Tour though there were too many solos/jams/interludes and that they were also too long (including myself). 45 minutes of solos and jams are really boring and not interesting for the crowd. By playing "Sossego", robin would put the audience in his pocket because it's a great song. Same for Dizzy, a piano intro to "the Blues" is enough, no need to make an entire cover song on piano (ziggy stardust) AND a piano intro to "The Blues", it's too long. Same for Bumblefoot, no need to play 2 solos (one shred solo + don't cry on guitar), choose one,? and finally same for Fortus (altough his solo at the paris show was one of the highlight of the show for me anyway), no need to play a solo and "beautifull", here again it's too long.

So what about playing "Sossego" (Robin) (4 minutes), "beautifull" (Richard and Robin) (4 minutes), "piano intro to the blues (Dizzy)" (2 minutes) and....that's it? 10 minutes of jam instead of 45 minutes. Cut also the bossa nova interludes between the songs wich are also a loss of time. Don't wait more than 30 seconds between each songs. Be more efficient. Don't you think it would be enough and less boring? I think the shows would gain in quality. The solos are good when they don't "eat" the show every 10 minutes. 2 or 3 are enough, no need to stop the show every 3 songs for a solo. No need 7 or 8 solos it's pointless. What do you think?

The solos in general don't bother me at all. I actually really like the Beautiful bit. If anything, I could do w/o Robin's rambling bits here and there. Sossego did kick ass though.

Didn't he only play that because it's got something to do with Brazil though?

I guess you never saw the old band then, have you watched the Tokyo videos? They jammed out quite a bit back in the day too.

Yes, but those jams were good.

Go and enjoy your Matt Sorum drum solo then.  :P



Dizzy used Ziggy Stardust (for example) as the intro to The Blues. In case you didn't notice.



I think the whole idea of the European tour was to introduce this band to the public.




/jarmo

the solos are great
the jams are great
the interludes are great

i'm going to a fuckin concert i dont wanna listen to 15 songs straight from a CD.
i want an experience.

They have always, always done solos! Go and watch 5 minutes Slash solo before Sweet Child O'Mine, Gilby's Wild Horses, Slash - Voodoo Child, Matt drum solo with Duff and there was even a horn solos back than. It's not just now. They've always done solos.

They could improvise, there were alot of songs the old band would improvise on either at the being or in the middle of songs or both. Instead of having so many solos they could just extend the start of a song (instrumentally) or break down the middle of a song then pick it back up.

Yes, it's a brazilian old funk song... I don't think people would get it if Robin plays this solo in other country (even because the lyrics are in portuguese).

exactly. the old band did freakin huge number of solos, especially to the end of UYI tour. that was just... band introductions, matt drum solo, matt & duff drum solo, gilby guitar solo, slash guitar solo, slash guitar solo - godfather theme, now some song, then wild horses, imagine and patience, then some intro before SCOM, piano solo before November Rain and so on. so what the fuck is wrong? Guns are on tour and people keep bitching. just like always :hihi:

While I don't like the solos either, it is better than sitting through a 15 minute Knockin on Heaven's door, a 15 minute Slash wankfest, and a 10 minute Sorum sledgehammer display. 

Thats what I thought. I think he played an old folk song from another country at some point on the Euro tour this year as well.

I can understand wanting the band to switch it up, but I also want to see them do their thing.

I think the solos to a certain degree are there to give the band breaks. I prefer that the show continues on without any 10 minute break rather than having one and letting the audience get restless. My parents went to see the Eagles in Scotland and the took a 20 minute break. Funnily enough my mum and dad also went to the GN'R show in Scotland (not with me - they were seated) and thought the solos were good to keep the show moving.

I like Robin's solos the best. The distortion he puts on the guitar is awesome! But I agree that he should play Sossego.

To whom are you making this suggestion? The band is playing the shows the way they want to, and as far as I know, no one here has any influence over that.

i really liked the beautiful solo, dizzys piano solo and don`t cry,  the rest is useless.......

but well.... i`d take anything over a 20 minutes matt borum solo :hihi:

The solos are a good time to try and get the security to give you some water.

Or we could cut off the guitarist's hands! although probably that's not for the best.
I quite dig them. "beautiful" rocked my fucken' socks off. I was probably digging that more than you could be mine.

As cool as it would be to hear Sossego again (great song) I really enjoy the way the solos are currently played.

Good idea.   : ok:

A solution to resolve the solos' problem at the shows


wasn't aware that there were any problems :peace:

i really liked the solos, where they were played during the sets that I saw and the fact that I now feel I "know" the members and their playing styles better.
As well as Matt's solos - at least we dont have tracy and roberta shrieking on KOHD, plus horns/flutes etc!!!

The solos do not bother me at all. I think Robin does an awesome job with it.

there is a solo problem?

Sossego was a special performance for RIR3 and they don't have 45minutes in solos and interludes, they are a good way for Axl to catch his breath and interact with the band and crowd, i look forward to the solos when they come my way

Beautiful and Don't Cry are good but Robins solos are god awful. They should let Ron play Guitars Suck or Hands or something, Bucket played Big Sur Moon during his solos after all.

I don't think it's about letting them do anything, Axl prolly sat down with them and said...ok you get 4 or 5 minutes, do whatever you want in that time :peace:

i totally agree with you there. just cutting a little bit of the solo time would give the shows a lot better flow!

Yeah,

Ditch the solos, play T.W.A.T, Chinese Democracy, Catcher in the rye, rhiad, irs, madagascar, the blues, and better every show.

8 new songs will help the new band gain an identity

not playing solos

Just play songs! No solos - i'd happily take a 30 min set over a 90 min one in which 60 mins were solo's/oxygen breaks etc

Those solo's are just awful

Some guitarists can play stuff that sounds good ::) - fire the lot of em' and leave Axl on guitar, i'll take his dead horse intro over any of Bumbfoots static

Axl is 44, let the man have a damn breather.  They should play Attitude with Tommy on vox lol. 

I like most of the solo's, Robin is not the best solo person, but he's interesting. 

I kinda miss the Buckethead dance though, and I was not a big BH fan.

I convinced a friend of mine to go see them with me in 02. He enjoyed most of the show, but he just LOST HIS MIND during BH's "solo". I constantly have to defend the new band to people I know because of all the terrible things he's said about BH.

The Buckethead stuff (solo dance performance etc) does not fit in with Gn'R and is best saved for Buckethead shows. It wasn't like he wrote special guitar solo's for Gn'R shows either, all he did was perform Buckethead music and sometimes they played parts from the Buckethead video behind him also  :peace:

The solos suck. The interludes suck harder. I love jams if the band would break  a song down and like jam with the whole band and not just one guy it would be great.

I would love to hear 15 songs in a row, that would make a crowd so excited.

And i just want to say this Bumblefoot's "dont cry" is far from being a "beautiful" solo. Its dumb i think, where he adds the little shred parts.

Sossego was good. and Bucket's solos were good. Robin's solos suck (and I love Robin). The best GNR solo ever tho was easily the godfather.

I still say let Tommy do one or two of his solo songs to change the pace a bit.

They really should give Tommy a chance to play a song from Village Gorilla Head. He's been more than loyal to GNR and his album deserves more exposure.

The solo's are indeed quite boring and would be just as boring with 'Sossego' unless you?re a real hardcore fan. 90% of the people at the shows in arenas are not hardcore fans and they do get rather bored with the endless solos. They should also drop the Christina cover too, I'm sure there is something just as technically fun to duel with that isn't going to bore the crowd so spectacularly. Compared to most of the Guns fans I've encountered online, my musical tastes are quite diverse. However, the audience is not really a Christina Aguilera audience, and as diverse as my CD collection is... I don't own a copy of 'Beautiful' and probably never will.

Robin is without doubt my 'favourite' in the band. He doesn't need the solo spots to prove his 'lead' guitarist role. The crowds love him. Richard seems more of a showman in the solo's and Bumblefoot can do entertainingly stupid things with a guitar. Cut it down to one each at the most.

Hell, the solos give a glimpse into what makes each of these wholly unique guitarists distinct.  No point in hoping for anything other than these spots anyhow, as we all know what it is that they are used for.  As Axl gets a bit longer in the tooth, wouldn't anticipate muuch more than what we've got...The guys give 120% every show out, and to me, that's all that's relevent.  If Axl requires a breather, cheers to him.  The guy sings unlinke any other in the medium we call music.

What bugging said.

I think I finally got why they use the mum for the tour logo....it says "enough of ifs and buts. come and experience us!".

BTW, as report has it, axl liked BH to do his stuff. ;D

I think Axl knows what hes doing....how many world tours have you been on???

It would be pointless to play Sossego anywhere outside Brazil. He only did that in Rio because it is a popular Brazilian song, people enjoyed it and all. The crowd would be bored as fuck if that was played during the North American tour or something. I say instead of having 2 Robin solos, let him play Beautiful with Fortus and Ron play Don't Cry (or ?guas de Mar?o, if we're still taking about Brazilian music :hihi:).

Yeah..... : ok:....Jesus Christ people.....we should be thankful that they are out playing music instead of being concerned with fuckin' solos....who gives a fuck?........obviously.........but you know what I mean.....FUCK....too many people bitch about useless nonsense....be happy you can eat solid food and go from there..... :peace:

WTF? The solos are great.

The people dissing Robin's in particular have no sense of art or of music. You are mindless.

The problems with the solos is merely the timing of them. They are not spaced out, so in some gigs they did about 1 song in 4 slots.

For the band to get better reviews they need to drop the old shyte from the setlist and play mostly new material. A great idea, just my little idea and not one I would expect to happen in the real world, would be to release the album before touring again. That way people will know the many great songs from the album and will reciprocate their affection towards the band. I'd say play Jungle, SCOM, YCBM, NR and Paradise City and fill the rest of the setlist with new material.

The solos are here to stay however as Axl needs his time between songs these days.

i think each guitarist deserves to get 1 solo each to showcase their talents. I'm all for Dizzy doing a piano solo too. What i would like to see is, while the crew is moving the piano after the blues, they could play the opening part of Dead Horse- the acoustic sounding parts- then go into the next song. Then while the piano is being moved after NR, they could play Yesterdays. We need more Illusion era material. Sometimes i just think maybe Axl is holding onto the illusion era material for if/when a reunion ever were to happen.

A solution to resolve the problem at the shows

if you dont like it, don't fucking go  : ok:

What we get now is much better than what they did on the Illusions tour.   Whenever I'd put the tokyo DVD on with my friends, they'd always make me skip over the drum and guitar solos, and they bitched about how Slash sat there and playd the same notes over and over and over again for 5 minutes.   

Solos and band jams are all part of rock and roll.

Amen to that!
Solos are one of the things that make a GNR concert!

Nicely put. I get that alot from people too. And I can't help but totally agree with the first comment. If you don't like it, don't go. Obviously there's just NO WAY to make everyone happy with the show. So I guess the band should just do what they want so at least they're enjoying it.

The only good solution would be for Tommy to do a song off his solo album. Not only is that album great, it also shows off not only the guitar players, but a very very importand member of GNR.

Imagine him doing a medley of some Beatles song or something and then one off his solo album. I heard his stuff live and he's a great singer too.

Let Tommy do one!

Exactly.  Next we'll have people telling the band that they messed up the track order on CD or something.

Whoa.... what was that!? It went by really really fast. Ahh yes, the point. You missed it.

i'm really hoping that at the very least, the solos change on this tour!!!!!!

personally, it makes little sense to me to have a guitar solo, wheel on a piano, have a piano solo, one song with a piano, wheel the piano off, have another solo, then a rock song, then wheel the piano back on, another piano solo, and then a piano song, then a guitar song, then a guitar solo, then a cover of a James Brown song or something. I'm there for the music, not the fucking about.

The solos arent the problem but the way they are configured into the setlist.
The old band took like 20-25 min of solos but mostly one after the other and mostly after atleast 1 hour of straight rock. I think they should arrange them so it doesnt seem there is a solo every other song.

Just my two cent.s.  :peace:

'They" out there playing ? NOt to bust your pimples but " they " are not the orginal line-up , how can one say " just be glad "they are touring again , bbf and fortus were not there while I was in high school , and all the stuff that went along with being a teenager at the time back in 1989-1993 .THe first reason      four 4 guitar solo's is not to introduce the crwod but to allow Axl to go back stage and rest his   voice he gets very tired in his voice , because of dancing and singing at tthe same time .....


i think the setlists, are fine , people who dont look at the net will be alittle uneasy     

These are my favorite posts... like its a bad thing to want the band to improve their show and let people have a better time than they normally would.  'Just be happy with the fact that they are playing shows', why the hell should I 'just be happy' with that???  Do I appreciate the fact that they are touring??  Of course I do, but I am not happy about the long solos and the recycled set list.  Does that mean that I didn't have a good time at those shows?  No, not at all, but I would have had a better time if they cut out the solos and played some different material.  I will go ahead and say that I speak for the majority on that one. 

God bless the solos. Axl gets a breather, I get some beer.  :beer:

Oh I have no doubt in my mind as to that.

Like I said, if those guys (GNR) are happy playing what they're playing then I'm down with it.