Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I was just flipping through the new Rolling Stone and took a look at their fall preview. They have release dates going into December, and yup, nothing about "Chines Democracy." If their was a tentative date, wouldn't RS have mentioned it?

So realistically, can we still hope for an '06 release? If Axl still wants to shoot for an '06 release, can he do it?

Here's hoping something will be revealed Thursday...

The only was it comes out in 06 is if we get an announcement at the VMAs IMO. OTherwise I give up and will not pay attention to one rumor or guess at anything.

I think we need to hear something at the VMA's (or within the next couple of weeks) or it's not a good sign.

i think its releastic for an 06 release, i mean nothing gnr did this year had any major announcement, they just sprung up the nyc shows were announced 4 weeks before the first show, so dont be surprised if CD just springs up

No announcement at VMA's = No CD before '07

That sounds reasonable.

Zero. He will go on another tour that will prove to be a good cash grab, and we will continue the cycle of getting our hopes up that "this really has to be it", and whenever that prescribed time passes we will fall back on the "they are probably planning on a summer release" line of thinking.

As long as he is able to successfully tour with no incentive to release the CD we are not going to see it. I still don't think he is ready to put himself on the line and release the album, dealing with all the fallout that could potentially come. At least now he is able to keep the mysticism of the Holy Grail that hasn't been released. If it is released and doesn't do as well as everyone on this board is convinced it will, Axl will be done. I am not sure he is ready to actually do it.

I do hope I am wrong, but that fact he went on a huge European tour and played in front of hundreds of thousands of people without even acknowledging the album exists does little to comfort me. That signals that it either wasn't near being ready to release, or that he is stupid and really doesn't have a plan, because no one with half a brain would pass on that type of marketing opportunity.

Agreed. I will have lost hope for an 06 realise if we dont get an annoucement in the next few days

The window of opportunity is definitely closing. No doubt. In my opinion, if nothing is announced by late sept/early oct., we can rule out 2006 and start our yearly summer speculation. If something bad was to happen like in 2002, I think you can rule out 2006-07 completely.

But to answer your question, I would have to say an 80% chance it gets released this year. I just cant see Axl doing the same thing as he did in 2002. He's too smart to fall into the same trap, and he also seems to be taking it seriously.

The next month will be crucial.

Yeah, but how often do bands do that?  And by "that" I mean announce a release date only a month or two in advance?  I mean even the record companies still have no idea about a release from GNR.

Every passing day makes it less likely. And remember this, November/December is always packed with huge releases to take advantage of holiday shopping, so if Axl drops the CD around then, it could get looked over real easy. Many record labels opt to move some of their releases to the beginning of the year when fewer big artitsts are releasing stuff. So, I think February is more realistic.

But he really can't be doing that forever.

 ::)  So your saying Guns N Roses wouldn't be a big release? 

Why not, Poison and Cinderella just came through town and there were over 10,000 people there. Nostalgia acts are in right now, and if Axl can tour around playing Appetite with people paying decent cash to see him what is the rush to put your career on the line?

Because Poison and Cinderella could be playing in front of 70,000 people a night if they put out a good album.  Even if they didn't put out a great album, they would still get atleast 10,000.

That myth no longer exists. The CD 'Pandora's Box' was opened in 2001, and was blown wide open when the leaks happened. Axl's reluctance to show his 'Holy Grail' isnt whats holding it up. There's no Holy Grail to show, because half of it has been seen already.

This in no way means the album isnt good. What we have heard is spectacular. My point is that alot of the mystery surrounding the album is gone. Only thing left is for Axl to give it the 'Go' signal. Wasn't U2's last album announced just a couple months before release? Its not unprecedented. I think UYI was announced just about 6 weeks before its release, maybe less. Another reason to announce it within a short time of its actual release is to prevent a massive leak.

Poison and Cinderella playing to 70,000 people in 2006? What are you smoking?

99% of the listening public hasn't heard any of the leaks. The pandora's box was peaked into, not opened.

They werent even pulling in that size of crowds in their heyday. Only rock bands that could fill that size of venue in the late 80's/early 90's were GNR, Metallica, The Stones, and U2. More people have heard those songs than we would think. They are all over the p2p sites. Anyone with an interest in listening to GNR will immediately see the new songs available for download.

the majortiy of the people that download cant even find the full "better", even some friends call me and say all they found on limewire is some 2 minute "better"  :rofl:

Maybe I should leak the full one. :rofl:

When I got the leaks earlier this year I played them to my friends and they were all dismissed within a ?few bars except " better" and nobody had a clue who was in the band/ that GNR was recording ?new material and I don't have the patience to go into the whole story.

anyway axl said this fall/ late fall and seemed pretty serious about it

he didn't in 02' if you remember the after vma interview w/ kurt loder

It will be in our hands by Dec, 31st 2006 on or before 11:59:59

That's a FACT :yes:

Buckle those seatbelts boys and girls...all hell's breaking loose...very soon. ?;)
It's coming this year. ? :beer:

That's a really good point. Most probably that's what it is going to happen.

Nope. Read and comprehend before you react. I said "fewer" big artists, which would mean fewer big artists to compete against.

There is still time everyone. Have some faith. This is the year!  : ok:

Calm down everybody...

This is basically the first time we have something, so strong, that suggests the release of the album.

We've all waited for so loooong, just a little more patience...

Very true. 98% of te audience doesn't read GN'R message board and has no clue if there is a new album on the horizon. BTW even we don't know it.  :-\    But I try to remain optimistic and think that Axl doesn't have a plan and the album will just come out sometime in the next 4 months.

Remember Axl didn't offer up 'fall, late fall'. He hasn't made one unsolicited attempt to promote the album as far as I am aware this year. So I'm not expecting anything, although of course I hope like everyone else that its coming out.

 

He did. 'Fall, late fall, definietely this year'.

yes he did, He said it on Eddie Trunk's raidio show earlier this year, May 5th I belive. he said "fall, late fall, definetly this year". The audio for that interview has to be around somewhere, i belive you can download that show at eddie trunks website now. :smoking:

My thoughts exactly ...

I think nobody (press, stores, TV's, etc. have any clue about the release date).

I'm pretty sure it's going to pop like that. One day we'll wake and CD will be there :hihi:

It very well could happen, but this silence is making me wonder if it will.  :-\

we'll be so bored if CD comes out. i say lets way a few more years.

What I meant was (as far as memory recollects) he hasn't ever mentioned this time period without being questioned...

When he starts talking about it open and freely thats when I'll begin to believe. Otherwise I remain sceptcial.

Call me naive, but Axl said it's coming this year- it's coming this year.

I think that it's still coming (might come) in October/November, if it doesn't come this year then it's pathetic. And the US tour starts in just over 2 weeks and I don't see the album coming before then and I still think it's crazy to go on the US tour without an album or not even a single at least.

I'll still hold out hope for the album by the end of the year but who knows.

I think it will definitely come out this year. Just a few months ago he said "it will be out this year" so why would've he changed hes mind? Oh... yeah...  ::)
Whatever, im still optimistic for 06' release. 3006 that is.

I think there is a good chance we will see Chinese Democracy this year but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.   I have felt for a few months that September would be the deciding month.  No announcement or single in September and I think '06 isn't going to happen.  That leaves just about a month that I can still be cautiously optimistic.

Yeah, we will all be holding our breath if Loder gets a mike anywhere near Axl. :nervous: There are 3 words in the english vocabulary that will hopefully not be used that evening.....

Soon.

Isn't.

Word.

 :rofl:

ahhhhhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha  :rofl:

Every day this upcoming American tour goes without any sort of definitive word on the new album (release date, etc) is a day that the new bands credibility  sinks even further into the crapper. There's no way in hell GnR can finish out this tour and expect to tour again without a new album. They'll be forever tied to the notion that they are a glorified GnR cover band.

Wow! And you didn't even take the opportunity to actually call me naive!

I still believe that it's happening this year though.

someone should just fucking leak it already. its getting ridiculous.

It would have to be finished before it can be leaked.

I am holding out hope (again) for a release this year.  But I think if it has gone from mastering to the distrabution and  so forth, it would have leaked by now?

Bullshit. If the band release the statement with the release date tomorrow, all would be forgiven. Just like A LOT of people said in 2003, 204 and 2005 that they would give up if the album wouldn't be released, but they are still around...

Axl being at the VMA's can only mean that "soon" is the word. We're on a momentum train folks and it's picking up speed.

november.

.

Even if Axl doesn't interviewed by Kurt Loder, I wouldn't put it past him to drop a subtle hint during his award presentation, that maybe only us diehards will pick up on.

i feel it's about a 75% chance to get relesed this year :peace: just a gut feeling, i have nothing to back up that claim :hihi:

Ratings for the VMA'S are gonna be way up just cause Axl is showing up....anyway, I think they kinda have to release it this year....based on what Axl said and the touring.....Not saying it will happen, but it would look really lame if they did not get it out this year.....

I just wanna see what happens and as far as I feel he is just gonna present someone,band etc. or an award. We already know the tour is about to start . And perhaps this leg they only coincentrate on the west coast who knows. Would be cool if something is mentioned or an interview happens.

AT this stage Im not overly concerned. BUt as far as the album being released this yr, that I still feel very strongly about. That's just my opinion.

The whole damn band was there in 02 and it didn't mean anything.

Honestly I do believe its coming by the end of the year but I don't think the VMAs have anything to do with that.

the sheer fact the mtv let the band do the vma's in 2002 must have meant that the album was at least really really close. that should have been the the triumphant comeback..,.maybe axl asked to play and mtv said no an offered him to present an award instead?

The release was really, really close? Thats why Axl made the famous "I don't know if soon is the word" statement right after the show right?

Check out the MTV special "VMA Confidential" when you get a chance. The MTV workers on there say that MTV was told "Axl Rose was in town and wanted to perform so they jumped at the chance". The only thing is question was whether or not the band was going to show up.

Well as Neemo once said  :hihi:

forget about 2006

2005 is the year of guns n roses!!!

So said Merck...

Late fall

I still think it's coming in the 3rd week of November or the 1st week of December.

They could turn out HUGE numbers in the states if it's released the week of Thanksgiving.

Released the Tuesday before thanksgiving so it is in stores for the biggest shopping day of the year after thanksgiving......

the best time to release it would be around christmas times or a bit earlier i think (between november 1 to december 10 or something).. all the shopping that is around that time is just perfect for the sales..

Thats my guess.

They would put up even bigger numbers with big displays in places like Best Buy and what not.

the double tenth and the double twelfth are my preference.

The double huh??? ???

In terms of singles, video's, interviews and of course the album itself, it'll all happen with and after the next set of tour dates. A return to Vegas and some sporadic appearances on the west coast are the beginning. Once the next set of dates are done, more will be announced and at least a new single will be joining them by the time they're reaching the likes of Philadelphia. Earlier in the year the band popped up in NYC where they were in shockingly good spirits and where Axl was less than shy on the social scene. They made their way to just about every country in Europe where they played to about 700,000 people and were more than happy to hang around after instead of rushing back to finish an album they'd forgotten about. And this week Axl will make a return to television.

In contrast to the, lets face it, embarrassing 2002 MTV howler. Axl appeared on Eddie Trunk earlier this year and didn't say 'soon'. He said 'definitely'. For better, or worse it's started. 3 weeks downtime after an intensive tour of Europe? I think we can forgive that. 99% chance of a release in 2006.

(although the status on HMV's website did change to 'deleted' ?:-\)

October 10th and December 12th...

Yeah I know....just never saw the double thing... :confused:

I say, why put it out before Thanskgiving. Put it out the day after Thanksgiving. And only put out a few copies per store. Then have a worldwide launch the following Tuesday. Or something. I dunno. It's been so long, it would be sadly funny to torment us with only a few CDs. I hope we will get some sort of answer tomorrow night.

There would be LOTS of fistfights if that happened....and we would all be in the middle of them...

they?ll release it close to christmans, doent make cense release in jan. or fev. if they can release in the end of this year and make more money

ten ten is a chinese thing. I don't know if they call it the double ten tho. 
Thanks benchiefjr.

 :rofl: That is the funniest thing I have ever read. And oh so true 

I will cause bodily harm the day it's released if I see some punk 13 yr old with the last copy of CD. He's goin down :smoking:

Shit...I don't care if Mr T has one....if I don't....someones going down....or gettin' blasted in the teeth...

That tour, and what it amounted to be, was billed as the Cinese Democracy World Tour, remember  :hihi:

Somebody kill me...

The odds of it coming out this year are slim to none.

What gives it those odds?

i've been saying that for MONTHS now!!!!

The fact there hasn't been at least 2 months of promotion in advance. Because there's no such monthly promotion before also without an official release date to go with no such promotion. And because it seems like it's too late for the cd to come out this year. It seems the "europe tour" during the summer has made axl run out of time for the cd this year. The summer should have been the months in advance promotion with a single dropped to radio. But it never happened. It seems the cd won't happen this year either because of it. 

Everyone knows about the mysterious Democracy album....he could let the world know A week ahead of time and there would still be no problem with sales....it's been a 10 year build up....we'll see what happens :yes:

Axl could announce tomorrow its coming out on Friday, and it would be all over the world. It would get major media reaction through CNN, all news sites, MTV, Fuse, any just about every type of website would mention it. There does need to be some sort of promotion. No doubt. Just because it will get major media attention doesnt mean everyone will buy it. But like i said, he could announce tomorrow and the world would take notice.

But if he doesn't announce it tomorrow night what then? 

exactly.   The promotion will start once there is a release date set.   And when the date is set, EVERYBODY will know.

you really think the record company would let Axl do that with no solid advanced promotion behind it?

He doesnt have to announce it tomorrow. I'm not expecting him to. He will present an award, and if we're lucky, he'll talk a little bit to Loder about the upcoming US tour, and maybe a small update on the album. If you are expecting an album release date announcement on stage at the VMA's, there will be a tear in your beer on Thursday night.

I'm actually leaning more towards an early 2007 release, but a november/december 06 is also likely.  however they would have to announce it soon, before the US tour.

this is an album that needs no promotion(except maybe a single).  they'll announce a date via a press release and everyone will know about it the next day.  the album will even be talked about on non-gnr and non-music websites.

and the person who says that their hasn't been two months of promotion so its doubtful: if they announced the date say, september 10th for a november 13th release, there's two months of promotion.

That's what they should do...seeing how that's my birthday   : ok:

Honestly I don't think axl gives a fuck when he relesased the album. I get the feeling its done and he's heard it and thats all he cares about... he knows he made a great record and doesn't give a fuck if the public likes, but isn't actually ready to take the criticism that will come.

although in one of the radio interview (can't remember which one)

interviewer: so chinese democracy will come out this year
axl: absolutely....

but I will only believe it when Its in my hands. I can't believe he toured at all without an album let alone a north american tour now....

Only one sleep away, and all will hopefully be answered ;D

Definitly. I'm just glad that they announced Axl at the VMA's a week before the VMA's. Didn't have to wait too long. Answers soon ya know?

I hate it when rumors state dates WAYYYY off... like The Da Vinci Code movie rumor. Anyone remember that? It started like 6 months before the movie came out.

It's coming dude............

i definetly think the time frame is november 06 - jan 07. if it doesn't happen then, i fear the worst. the last thing we want is a backlash from audiences/ fans (not hardcore fans) who are not as patient, so the sooner the better or i think the us tour may not go down that great.

dont get me wrong i think the tour will start good, but the longer it goes on without the album it wil suffer

Axl's favorite word this year is "Absolutely", this is what he said when Trunk asked him if the album was definately coming out this year. And ive heard him use this word in other interviews aswell.

If the album isnt released this year or at least a confirmed release date before the year is up then I will be done with GNR. Its bad enough that Axl has lead fans on for this long claiming every year that "this" is the year for the new album. I heard the words out of the mans mouth that we would have the album this year, in the fall to be exact. Now if he doesnt get it out exactly in the fall, and if he has to wait until the beginning of next year, im cool with that, just as long as he lets us know exactly when that date will be. We have been loyal fans for 20 years, and he owes us at least that, after promising it would be out this year, and leading us fans on year after year. If he just lets this year go by and doesnt mention it then to hell with GNR, thats disrespectful to the fans that have stuck by him all these years.

And any of you that keep defending him if this is what happens are nothing but sheep.

I think there'll be one hell of a backlash if it's not out in "Fall, Late Fall" like Axl said.  :-\

nah! Axl's been promising stuff for 10 years, we're used to it.

i betcha axl is laughing his arse off at us

but to retain creditablity , he has to release the album this year or nobody will take the band seriously anymore, he said the fall or late fall would be the time

cmon axl if u dont have the confidence in your ability, you are in the wrong business

waits for bollicking   ;D

I guarentee you will say the exact same thing next year (if he doesn't release the album this year)

  That's the most realistic thing that I'm hoping for.  Just a little talk with Loder on the album.  Hopefully Axl will still say this year.

Being the end of August, still fine for an 06 release. I anticipate they will start touring September and a single or something will happen within 2 months, at least a huge announcement or something. Album by Christmas without a doubt.

Please don't take this as being one of those "i know an insider" posts. HOWEVER, my buddy's girlfriend works for Universal and she said they're finally starting to tell the reps to prep for the release. She says that they've never even mentioned the album to her until that moment.

That would mean the VMAs are the perfect opportunity.

Somebody dust Loder off, baby!

I will wait as long as it takes and do not call me a sheep. The fucking man makes great music. We have all gotten basicaly an album worth of material so I'm good for awhile if the album fails to materialize in 06'.

This will not hurt him, did it in 96',97',98,99',00',01',02', etc,etc,

It's comin and I don't have any inside sources telling me so

Chinese Democracy will be released by years end : ok:

It will be interesting to see what happens tonight, especially with the old band members in attendance. I almost hope that something big happens just as a big "told you I could do it" to those old members. Will it happen? Probably not. You never know though, perhaps Mr. Frog is on the bill...

a.

Slash, Duff, and Matt are in attendance tonight?

I wasn't aware of that juicy tidbit of news ;D

...so I was told.

a.

They are Not there, but this is the wrong thread for that discussion.

If accurate, it's safe to say VR and Axl will cross paths at least once at the VMA's tonight : ok:

haha, yea he is too old for VH1 at this point...........

Again in two posts, they are not there.

Yeah, take your aderol and pay attention people...... :hihi: