Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=402337&in_page_id=1770

Footballer gets a criminal record because he did the sign of the cross. Apparently, he offended a few Muslims, and was charged with inciting religious hatred. White, Christian British will be a minority in their own country in this century. Even as a kvlt black metal fan, this sickens me.

This isn't politics. This is the West at risk of extinction.

now i aint religious but this is bullshit where the fuck does it stop something needs to be done.

Every day you open up the newspaper because they are complaining about somethink or somethink offends them and daft us let them get away with it. This is pathetic. Complaining because he made the sign of the cross.

That is fucking bollocks. I'm not gonna say I'm the most religious person ever to grace Earth...but seriously...thats a load of shit.

Racism and Religious prejudism is a complete fucking joke now, because apparently ANYTHING ANYONE does offends other religions or races.

You are not allowed to wear religious signs at school in france ebcause it's a laic country.

I agree that its incredibly lame to complain about every little thing. I hate the politically correct BS that is contained within many societies today and feel that people do overreact all the time to every little thing, however to say that white Christians becoming a minority will be the fall of Western civilization is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Now, I'm sure you were exaggerating for emphasis and I can dig that, but religions come and go in the world. It is the way it always has been. If not we'd still be worshipping Osiris or Odin or Zeus/Jupiter or whatever other god there was that passed away after enduring years of popularity. Now, Christianity is a fairly new religion and I don't expect it to disappear in my lifetime, but it will disappear eventually. Its what religions do. They come around for a thousand years and cause both good and terrible evil and then they fade away.

I wouldn't give a shit if a Muslim did a Muslim sign of faith!

Look how many Mosques etc are in the UK currently...and imagine someone from the UK trying to set up a Church in a Muslim country...they would be shot.

This is getting way out of hand!  Blame the Labour party! 

And dammit, they're Christmas trees not "holiday" trees!

AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  :rant:

Talk about conspiracy theory................

Turbens offend me.. Can I complain to the police?

Nope, because then they'll throw you in jail for racism.  :no:

FUCK. I lose both ways.. Damn. Oh well.. If ever in the UK I will wear that of a priest and flash the jesus gang sign to all muslims I come across.

Here here!  :beer: 
BTW, yes, it's a silly over-reaction to give someone a criminal record for making a sign of the cross.  If a Muslim wants to make a sign of the crescent, or a Jew the Star of david, who cares?

i do.
it's scary for young children.

do any of you actually understand the situation? Do you know what problems exist between rangers and celtic?

Obviously not, because if you did then you'd understand the Boruc's action could've incted a riot. But no, reactionary this...PC gone mad that...muslims (where the fuck did the muslims come from?) the other. This was between catholics and protestants and doesnt involve muslims in the slightest - but dont let the facts get in the way - who actually read the article in question?

Previous cases exists where rangers and celtic players have been cautioned for sectarian gestures towards opposing fans; the fact that he crossed himself rather than mimicked playing a flute is not the issue. His actions were inciteful and intentional.

His actions were similar to burning an american flag at an NRA rally.

Did he do it towards fans, or just discreetely to himself?

Is it possible that he didn't realize what he was doing, 2na?

he did it for the benefit of the fans, and there's no way he could claim he didnt realise what he was doing - i've seen him do it at other grounds as well to wind up fans.

99% of the rangers support are protestant. most of them dislike catholics at the best of times. even more of them will have been wipped up into a mob frenzy. Thats more than 50,000 people baying for blood

His actions were intentional and inflammatory. And could've led to violence. In the recent past people have been murdered after Old Firm (rangers and celtic) games and his actions increased the chances of that happening again substantially.

Scotland, the west particularly, has atrocious problems with bogorty and sectarianism making an example of idiots like boruc is just a small step to eradicating that.


Where muslims come in to this i dont know - some of you need to engage your brains before writing.

People are too afraid to be anti-something-or-other that they become so politically correct that it's wrong. That's what happened here. But Western culture isn't going to become extinct, as someone suggested... :hihi:

thats not what happened here at all. He was trying to incite 50,000 people.

his actions couldve led to murders. thats not an over exaggeration. if he wants to cross himself, fine. however he did it to wind people up - he is in a position of responsibility when on the football pitch and he abused that.

I the number he was trying to "incite" may have been a little lower...like...1.

there were over 50,000 rangers fans in the stadium. where do you get 1 from?

A friend of mine was in the UK last year and she tells me that bakeries over there don't make hot crossed buns over there anymore, because there's a cross on them and it could offend someone.  I thought she was bullshitting me.

'fraid not dude....I've heard the same story.  :no:

im getting sick of other races getting what they want but white people seem to be restricted now because other races seem to have taken over the policies off the law.

its silly.

whatever happened to people wanting equality.

Can you give some examples?

maybe we should have complained when Mohhamed Yousuf bowed and kissed the earth to allah when he scored a century for Pakistan in the recent test series.

Muslims are mentioned in the first post.

Considering who started it, I'm not surprised.




Hey, imagine that. Somebody using a situation like this for their own cause.... That has never happened before has it?? ::)


Thanks 2Na for showing how stupid the whole idea of this thread is. Walk does it again...

Too bad for him/her, 2NaFish's posts made the thread starter look like an ignorant fool.




/jarmo

I have to disagree and say the thread starter is capable of doing that all on his own...............

2nafish, you make some very good points.  Plus, you have a hilarious avatar!  I don't know why it makes me laugh but it does.  Now, does the soccer league have set rules for the behavior of its athletes?  If so, the players must be held accountable to the league's rules.  I'm talking massive fines and long suspensions if not completely kicking them out of the league.  Now about where he made the sign of the cross.  To me, it shouldn't matter whose stadium he does it in, if it's against league policy, it's against league policy.  If calamity strikes after the incendiary gesture, he should be held partially responsible as should those who over-reacted in the crowd.  Does that sound fair?  To me it does.   :peace:

You English people used to tolerate way way too much the ayatollahs in your country during too many years. Why didn't you fight them when they were still not a threat for your country? Now, i think it's too late and will be very difficult for you to solve this problem in the short term. It will probably takes a long time...
In France, we do have also problems with islamism, some rioters last november in paris screamed "Allah Ouakbar" and called to the Djihad. But it has always been clear: either they respect the French laws, or they are put in Charters (planes) and are kicked out of france. A kick in the ass and bye bye. That's what you should have done as well since the begining. As a result, we (still) don't have French Kamikazes in France, well, there are some french kamikazes and suicide bombers who went to irak (some muslims teenagers and young men from the surbubs), but they still haven't bombed their own country like last year in England. I'm sure it will, soon or late. It's a question of time. But it's not for immediatly in France. We can still stop them and kick them out of France or send them to jail, ou secret services are very good. I tell you: French secret and security services might be the best in the world. better than the CIA. They are more intelligent, they don't do any mistakes. They work in the shadow and they do a fantastic job. That's probably why we haven't had a 9/11 or a London bombing summer yet or something like that in france yet.
But one day, it will happen. You can't be at 100% forever.

Watch that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinrxjebMFg
No, this is not Baghdad, Gaza or Teheran, this is what happened in the surbubs of Paris last November. Do you get it now?

thats awful. If Muhammad Yousuf can do sajdah (bow to allah) after he's got a century in cricket then surely this guy should also be able to praise to however. This is awful. Eradication of religions this is.

i dont think you can kick someone out of the country if that person is french ... you can put them in prison that's all.

it wasnt the fact that he crossed himself that got him in trouble, it was the fact that he did it intentionally to annoy the rangers fans. around a quarter of the premier league players in scotland cross themselves when they enter the park and nobody ever minds; boruc did it for the rangers fans and it was dangerous and stupid.

there are no set rules on this point - just the usual stuff about bringing the game in to disrepute and the law of the land on inciting hatred/riots which are pretty open to conjecture.

oh, and he also plays for one of the Old Firm (Rangers and Celtic) who are the establishment in scottish football. they dominate the corridors of power so no real action will be taken against him. this is mainly for show as rangers and celtic have been threatened with point deductions by FIFA due to their fans sectarian singing at matches.