Title: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 24, 2006, 04:47:34 PM ..this thread just might be useless, but like i said at the start *just a thought* :peace:
During the making/creation of Chinese Democracy, back in 2002 Axl hit the stage in Rio and commented on various things and made a suggestion that various powers had tried to stop him from being there (or words to that effect). Obviously no one knows (except those in the know) what goes on behind the scenes in the Gn'R camp, but over the past years things have cropped that appear to be forms of stumbling blacks thrown in the direction of Gn'R. I can't remember the exact order of events but.. 1.The Hollywood Rose album appeared. Didn't Axl attempt to get it blocked? if so, that would have detracted his thoughts away from getting on with creating CD 2.Some web site showed up cliaming to have really old Gn'R recordings with plans of releaseing a cd. The site vanished and no more was heard. Again, did Axl have to stop CD and get involved in legal action. 3.Geffen pisses Axl off by releasing Guns n'Roses greatest hits. Didn't Axl attempt to block that too? 4.Slash said during an interview he had heard CD was due out in March 2006. CD never appeared. Who is to know, maybe it was going to appear in March, maybe just to show Slash how little he knows, Axl decided on a different release date just for the sake of it. 5.The latest news is that there is to be an album called Butchering The Beatles. Whats that about? Catcher in the Rye has tones of the Beatles about it. Making a rock album featurung Duff McKagan called Butchering The Beatles sounds like another behind the scenes joke. Maybe all this is just coencidence :) Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Alina on August 24, 2006, 04:53:41 PM maybe you right who knows , its? Axl Rose.
Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: lennonisgod on August 24, 2006, 05:12:31 PM What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one.
Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Journeyman on August 24, 2006, 06:10:58 PM What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one. me 2 Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Origen on August 24, 2006, 06:12:41 PM What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one. me 2 It's somethink Duff is involved in and has nothink to do with Axl or GnR. codenameninja is simply paranoid : ok: Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Tyson on August 24, 2006, 06:18:19 PM At this point, there are absolutely no exuses. Release the damn thing!!
Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Tomorrows on August 24, 2006, 07:39:29 PM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.
I wouldnt read too deeply. Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Kov on August 24, 2006, 08:10:43 PM As with any little news item in the GN'R world, some people see it as a "sign". Gnronline was updated and some see that as a sign, Axl will be at the VMAs and some see it as a sign. Then if nothing happens, who's fault will it be? Axl's! /jarmo Keep this in mind. It is not as complicated as you may think. Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: GunnerRose on August 24, 2006, 11:08:18 PM How about this....
Axl never releases the album. However, he slowly releases new songs into the concert sets. -This way...nobody can claim the album failed due to poor sales. -Fans get their new music.( My Ipod already has enough new material for side 1 Everybody wins! I know this is dumb theory LJ Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: RancidPunx on August 24, 2006, 11:27:30 PM I think the only thing stopping the release is Axl's fear of it bombing commercially. If that happens I think we can forget the second and third albums.
The issues you mentioned should be handled by Axl's lwayers. Butchering the Beatles is a tribute and should have jackshit to do with CD being released. Pretty good tracklisting and Duff is involved too: On October 24, 2006, Restless Records will release "Butchering The Beatles" ? featuring the biggest, the baddest, the heaviest all-star line-up ever assembled to honor what is arguably the greatest band ever ? THE BEATLES. All-in-all, over 50 internationally known recording artists bring their unique bone-crushing slant to these remarkable songs. Produced by Grammy award-winning producer/guitarist Bob Kulick and ace engineer Brett Chassen, "Butchering The Beatles" features 12 new, ass-kicking versions of THE BEATLES' chart-topping hits, including "Hey Jude", "I Feel Fine" and "Day Tripper", plus the more esoteric "Hey Bulldog", barked out by the legendary Alice Cooper and "Tomorrow Never Knows", uniquely interpreted by the iconic Billy Idol, alongside classic concept songs like "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and "Magical Mystery Tour". When asked by Guitar Player magazine what possessed him to go all metal on THE BEATLES, Bob Kulick stated that, "BEATLES songs are the Holy Grail. They're the best rock songs ever written. These new recordings are totally faithful, yet completely different. Billy Gibbons singing 'Revolution' or (MOT?RHEAD frontman) Lemmy singing 'Back In The USSR' are not exactly Paul McCartney or John Lennon. And of course, the guitar solo sections were lengthened to accommodate all the artists' solo styles." "Butchering The Beatles" track listing: 01. "Hey Bulldog" Alice Cooper - Vocals Steve Vai - Guitars Duff McKagen (VELVET REVOLVER / GUNS N' ROSES) - Bass Mikkey Dee (MOT?RHEAD) - Drums 02. "Back In The USSR" Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums 03. "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" Geoff Tate (QUEENSR?CHE) - Vocals Michael Wilton (QUEENSR?CHE) - Guitar Craig Goldy (DIO) - Guitar Rudy Sarzo (DIO) - Bass Simon Wright (DIO) - Drums Scott Warren (DIO) - Keys 04. "Tomorrow Never Knows" Billy Idol - Vocals Steve Stevens (BILLY IDOL) - Guitars Blasko (OZZY OSBOURNE) - Bass Brian Tichy (BILLY IDOL) - Drums 05. "Magical Mystery Tour" Jeff Scott Soto (YNGWIE MALMSTEEN / SOUL SIRKUS) - Vocals Yngwie Malmsteen (RISING FORCE / ALCATRAZZ) - Lead Guitar Bob Kulick, (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar Jeff Pilson (DOKKEN / FOREIGNER) - Bass Frankie Banali (W.A.S.P. / QUIET RIOT) - Drums 06. "Revolution" Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) - Vocals / Guitar Vivian Campbell (DEF LEPPARD) - Guitar Mike Porcaro (TOTO) - Bass Gregg Bisonnette (DAVID LEE ROTH / RINGO STARR BAND) - Drums Joseph Fazzio (SUPERJOINT RITUAL) - Drums 07. "Day Tripper" Jack Blades (NIGHT RANGER / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals Tommy Shaw (STYX / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals Doug Aldrich (WHITESNAKE / DIO) - Guitars Marco Mendoza (WHITESNAKE / THIN LIZZY) - Bass Virgil Donati (STEVE VAI / SOUL SIRKUS / PLANET X) - Drums 08. "I Feel Fine" John Bush (ANTHRAX) - Vocals Stephen Carpenter (DEFTONES) - Guitar Mike Inez (OZZY OSBOURNE / ALICE IN CHAINS) - Bass John Tempesta (THE CULT / TESTAMENT) - Drums 09. "Taxman" Doug Pinnick (KING'S X) - Vocals Steve Lukather (TOTO) - Guitar Tony Levin (JOHN LENNON / PETER GABRIEL) - Bass Steve Ferrone (ERIC CLAPTON / TOM PETTY) - Drums 10. "I Saw Her Standing There" John Corabi (M?TLEY CR?E) - Vocals Phil Campbell (MOT?RHEAD) - Guitar C.C. Deville (POISON) - Guitar Chris Chaney (JANE'S ADDICTION) - Bass Kenny Aronoff (SMASHING PUMPKINS / JON BON JOVI) - Drums 11. "Hey Jude" Tim "Ripper" Owens (JUDAS PRIEST / ICED EARTH) - Vocals George Lynch (DOKKEN / LYNCH MOB) - Guitar Bob Kulick (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar Tim Bogert (VANILLA FUDGE / BECK / BOGERT & APPICE) - Bass Chris Slade (AC/DC) - drums 12. "Drive My Car" Kip Winger (WINGER) - Vocals Bruce Kulick (KISS / GRAND FUNK) - Guitar Tony Franklin (THE FIRM / WHITESNAKE) - Bass Aynsley Dunbar (WHITESNAKE / JOURNEY) - Drums Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 25, 2006, 06:22:19 AM What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one. me 2 It's somethink Duff is involved in and has nothink to do with Axl or GnR. codenameninja is simply paranoid : ok: we know it has nothing to do with Gn'R and Gn'R has no involvement in "Butchering the Beatles". It just seems bizarre or simply a coencidence that a bunch of old rockers want to have a get together and cover beatle songs only months after the leak of Catcher in the Rye, which many have said (including myself) to have overtones of the beatles about it :) ..maybe these rockers were simply inspired by Catcher in the Rye :beer: Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 25, 2006, 06:25:59 AM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due. I wouldnt read too deeply. Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays :peace: Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 25, 2006, 06:54:25 AM I think the only thing stopping the release is Axl's fear of it bombing commercially. If that happens I think we can forget the second and third albums. The issues you mentioned should be handled by Axl's lwayers. Butchering the Beatles is a tribute and should have jackshit to do with CD being released. Pretty good tracklisting and Duff is involved too: On October 24, 2006, Restless Records will release "Butchering The Beatles" ? featuring the biggest, the baddest, the heaviest all-star line-up ever assembled to honor what is arguably the greatest band ever ? THE BEATLES. All-in-all, over 50 internationally known recording artists bring their unique bone-crushing slant to these remarkable songs. Produced by Grammy award-winning producer/guitarist Bob Kulick and ace engineer Brett Chassen, "Butchering The Beatles" features 12 new, ass-kicking versions of THE BEATLES' chart-topping hits, including "Hey Jude", "I Feel Fine" and "Day Tripper", plus the more esoteric "Hey Bulldog", barked out by the legendary Alice Cooper and "Tomorrow Never Knows", uniquely interpreted by the iconic Billy Idol, alongside classic concept songs like "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and "Magical Mystery Tour". When asked by Guitar Player magazine what possessed him to go all metal on THE BEATLES, Bob Kulick stated that, "BEATLES songs are the Holy Grail. They're the best rock songs ever written. These new recordings are totally faithful, yet completely different. Billy Gibbons singing 'Revolution' or (MOT?RHEAD frontman) Lemmy singing 'Back In The USSR' are not exactly Paul McCartney or John Lennon. And of course, the guitar solo sections were lengthened to accommodate all the artists' solo styles." "Butchering The Beatles" track listing: 01. "Hey Bulldog" Alice Cooper - Vocals Steve Vai - Guitars Duff McKagen (VELVET REVOLVER / GUNS N' ROSES) - Bass Mikkey Dee (MOT?RHEAD) - Drums 02. "Back In The USSR" Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums 03. "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" Geoff Tate (QUEENSR?CHE) - Vocals Michael Wilton (QUEENSR?CHE) - Guitar Craig Goldy (DIO) - Guitar Rudy Sarzo (DIO) - Bass Simon Wright (DIO) - Drums Scott Warren (DIO) - Keys 04. "Tomorrow Never Knows" Billy Idol - Vocals Steve Stevens (BILLY IDOL) - Guitars Blasko (OZZY OSBOURNE) - Bass Brian Tichy (BILLY IDOL) - Drums 05. "Magical Mystery Tour" Jeff Scott Soto (YNGWIE MALMSTEEN / SOUL SIRKUS) - Vocals Yngwie Malmsteen (RISING FORCE / ALCATRAZZ) - Lead Guitar Bob Kulick, (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar Jeff Pilson (DOKKEN / FOREIGNER) - Bass Frankie Banali (W.A.S.P. / QUIET RIOT) - Drums 06. "Revolution" Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) - Vocals / Guitar Vivian Campbell (DEF LEPPARD) - Guitar Mike Porcaro (TOTO) - Bass Gregg Bisonnette (DAVID LEE ROTH / RINGO STARR BAND) - Drums Joseph Fazzio (SUPERJOINT RITUAL) - Drums 07. "Day Tripper" Jack Blades (NIGHT RANGER / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals Tommy Shaw (STYX / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals Doug Aldrich (WHITESNAKE / DIO) - Guitars Marco Mendoza (WHITESNAKE / THIN LIZZY) - Bass Virgil Donati (STEVE VAI / SOUL SIRKUS / PLANET X) - Drums 08. "I Feel Fine" John Bush (ANTHRAX) - Vocals Stephen Carpenter (DEFTONES) - Guitar Mike Inez (OZZY OSBOURNE / ALICE IN CHAINS) - Bass John Tempesta (THE CULT / TESTAMENT) - Drums 09. "Taxman" Doug Pinnick (KING'S X) - Vocals Steve Lukather (TOTO) - Guitar Tony Levin (JOHN LENNON / PETER GABRIEL) - Bass Steve Ferrone (ERIC CLAPTON / TOM PETTY) - Drums 10. "I Saw Her Standing There" John Corabi (M?TLEY CR?E) - Vocals Phil Campbell (MOT?RHEAD) - Guitar C.C. Deville (POISON) - Guitar Chris Chaney (JANE'S ADDICTION) - Bass Kenny Aronoff (SMASHING PUMPKINS / JON BON JOVI) - Drums 11. "Hey Jude" Tim "Ripper" Owens (JUDAS PRIEST / ICED EARTH) - Vocals George Lynch (DOKKEN / LYNCH MOB) - Guitar Bob Kulick (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar Tim Bogert (VANILLA FUDGE / BECK / BOGERT & APPICE) - Bass Chris Slade (AC/DC) - drums 12. "Drive My Car" Kip Winger (WINGER) - Vocals Bruce Kulick (KISS / GRAND FUNK) - Guitar Tony Franklin (THE FIRM / WHITESNAKE) - Bass Aynsley Dunbar (WHITESNAKE / JOURNEY) - Drums Out if interest i will download Butchering the Beatles if only to check it out :) I just hope Axl don't get to hear it (BtB) and maybe decided to drop Catcher in the Rye from CD only to delay CD some more while they (Ax and the band) decide alternative track could replace Catcher on CD. Then again, maybe Butchering the Beatles will sound shite and leave Axl laughing his socks off :hihi: 02. "Back In The USSR" Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums .could be good with John5 playing on it : ok: Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Chuzeville on August 25, 2006, 08:36:53 AM I wouldn't worry too much about this Beatles thing. First off all, Catcher In The Rye might be about John Lennon but I've been listening to the Beatles for years and I nothing in CITR reminds me of them. Duff's involvement in one song on this tribute album makes no difference.
About the title "Butcherning the beatles" : (http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/myt2553.jpg) Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: CAFC Nick on August 25, 2006, 08:57:17 AM (http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/beatles/myt2553.jpg) Ah, William Campbell. It should be called "Butchering the Beatles and William Campbell" Paul is Dead ;D Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Neemo on August 25, 2006, 08:59:24 AM none of that shit should have impacted the recording of the album... :no:
Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Tomorrows on August 25, 2006, 09:59:45 AM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due. I wouldnt read too deeply. Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays :peace: I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer. Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: Gargh! on August 25, 2006, 11:06:02 AM Everyone but Paul is dead.
That sounds like a really good tribute album, I may just check it out... Interseting that nobody is doing Strawberry Fields or A Day In The Life. But this really could never delay Chinese Democracy. Almost every Oasis record has borderline plagarism of the Beatle's material, and how many tribute albums have been released while they've been around? Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 25, 2006, 12:12:57 PM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due. I wouldnt read too deeply. Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays :peace: I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer. That wasn't really point, my point was more along the lines of: Axl was at that time putting his efforts into working on Chinese Democracy, engaged in creative thoughts of taking his band in a new direction and possibly making a new sound. Then out of the blue, up pops Geffen with aims of releasing a Gn'R Greatest Hits album and in doing so would refresh joe public's mind with the sound of the 90's sounding Gn'R. Nothing wrong with that, except Axl didn't want that to happen (for what ever reason except the obvious). Having to compose emails to lawyers, wait for replies takes time and could have caused (creative) distractions. There's nothing worse than trying to be creative only to have *other stuff* burning away in the back of your mind. Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: estrangedpaul on August 25, 2006, 12:23:10 PM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due. I wouldnt read too deeply. Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays? :peace: I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer. That wasn't really point, my point was more along the lines of: Axl was at that time putting his efforts into working on Chinese Democracy, engaged in creative thoughts of taking his band in a new direction and possibly making a new sound. Then out of the blue, up pops Geffen with aims of releasing a Gn'R Greatest Hits album and in doing so would refresh joe public's mind with the sound of the 90's sounding Gn'R. Nothing wrong with that, except Axl didn't want that to happen (for what ever reason). Having to compose emails to lawyers, wait for replies takes time and could have caused (creative) distractions. There's nothing worse than trying to be creative only to have *other stuff* burning away in the back of your mind. Oh for god's sake, he's kept himself locked away for ten years. I don't think he' had enough going on in the back of his mind to be honest. You want something pissing him off, emotions breed creativity. Given the length of time he has been working on CD, the short time wasted on the greatest hits is insignificant. Catcher in the Rye and Butchering being released the same year isn't even a coincidence. They're totally unconnected. In your original post you quoted Axl as saying people have done everything possible to stop him progressing. So what, you think all them boys came together to record a Beatles cover album to piss off Axl and delay CD? Your being rediculous. This isn't the first beatles cover album you know. There is probably one released every year. It just so happens that Duff plays on this one. Big deal. Catcher In The Rye is not a beatles cover version, it's about John Lennon's death. There isn't even a vague connection between CITR and BTB, Title: Re: Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD Post by: codenameninja on August 25, 2006, 12:38:37 PM WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due. I wouldnt read too deeply. Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays :peace: I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer. That wasn't really point, my point was more along the lines of: Axl was at that time putting his efforts into working on Chinese Democracy, engaged in creative thoughts of taking his band in a new direction and possibly making a new sound. Then out of the blue, up pops Geffen with aims of releasing a Gn'R Greatest Hits album and in doing so would refresh joe public's mind with the sound of the 90's sounding Gn'R. Nothing wrong with that, except Axl didn't want that to happen (for what ever reason). Having to compose emails to lawyers, wait for replies takes time and could have caused (creative) distractions. There's nothing worse than trying to be creative only to have *other stuff* burning away in the back of your mind. Oh for god's sake, he's kept himself locked away for ten years. I don't think he' had enough going on in the back of his mind to be honest. You want something pissing him off, emotions breed creativity. Given the length of time he has been working on CD, the short time wasted on the greatest hits is insignificant. Catcher in the Rye and Butchering being released the same year isn't even a coincidence. They're totally unconnected. In your original post you quoted Axl as saying people have done everything possible to stop him progressing. So what, you think all them boys came together to record a Beatles cover album to piss off Axl and delay CD? Your being rediculous. This isn't the first beatles cover album you know. There is probably one released every year. It just so happens that Duff plays on this one. Big deal. Catcher In The Rye is not a beatles cover version, it's about John Lennon's death. There isn't even a vague connection between CITR and BTB, I commented on something Axl said while in Rio 2002 Axl hit the stage in Rio and commented on various things and made a suggestion that various powers had tried to stop him from being there (or words to that effect). :) |