Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Robin has been with Axl for a long time.

Im sure he thinks at this point, he IS Guns n' Roses.

And he should, its been long enough. He is more GnR now then Slash. weird, but true.



So, its always a pull/push for Robin about the old/new GnR comparisons etc.


** to me, the last thing im sure Robin wants to see is old GnR members onstage, like IZZY. from the videos, it seems like he doesn't even take notice of Izzy on stage. id be pissed if i was him. he's struggling to make the new GnR stick, and here is Izzy.

to be honest robin looks like he is so into his own thing on stage, which is awesome, i really doubt he is pissed off at izzy's appearances.

and yes, robin IS guns n roses  :peace:

Robin Finck is definitely Guns N' Roses.  About Izzy being on stage is nothing more then nostalgia and won't have any effect on Robin's own GNR material.

The only thing I think should be said is that Robin is GNR and unfortunately or fortunately Izzy is not.

PS. Sorry Mike  ;).

Im sure if any member had a problem with the Izzy stuff Axl would have not included him.

I stopped reading there.

Who knows what Robin is thinking...but it looks like when Izzy joins them onstage they are all just having fun. The only member that I would think might mind would be Richard, and he has said that he has enjoyed playing with the Izz.

they should be happy that he will play with them since he is one of the writers for the vast majority of their setlist

Good for you  : ok: ... because he is.

PSS. Sorry Mike and Origen  ;).

Its been a few months since the Hammerstein shows, so the memory gets fuzzy, but I seem to recall Robin and Izzy interacting just fine on stage that final night.

I don't think he cares.

I absolutely agree

He is GNR as much as Axl lets him be GNR.  ::)

I do believe that he will be the most noticed member once the album is actually released.
I'm still not sure what Axl wants this band to be.

The best rock band in the world who doesn't give a fuck?



/jarmo

I didnt mean it like that.

I'm still not sure if he's confortable with another "star" in the band.

does he want it to be Axl + a bunch of guys, or a band.

so far I was under the impression that its Axl + a bunch of guys.

If that was the case he would have grabbed some talented no-names. Not past members of The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, & the attempt with Buckethead.

yeah until that.
but for now only us in this board.(and the other GNR forum) Who really noticed him as a member.

So if I would join the band and Guns n Roses took a break after one year and came back 10 years later and I was still... Do you think I would be more Guns n Roses than Robin is now?? Your comment is weird and false. It doesn't matter how long you are in a band, it matters what you do with a band. Stop talking bullshit.

well, they were/are talented no-names.
99% of the people on this board havent heard of any of them before they joined GNR.

they might have been in famous bands but they as musicians were not that well known.

Agree : ok:.

Since we are getting into the area of opinions, lets agree to disagree.

I knew who these guys were before they joined GnR so I dont consider them "no-names", but I know not everyone will have that same opinion.

You, and many others, didn't know them, and so to you they are "no-names", just dont assume everyone feels the same way.
 :peace:

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

this is not a question of an oppinion.
it's a question of statistic.
make a poll, and you'd see that no more than 10 members around here knew who these guys were before they joined the band.
and we are suposed to be the enthusiasts, that care for shit like that.
imagine how little people outside the internet world know about any of these guys?!

people that were into nin were into Trent and maybe Vrenna. nobody gave a fuck about robin and the other guys that played live because they were only hired guns.
Primus... not many people even listen to primus, and knowing about their drummer would be a 64 000 dollars question.
Buckethead... probably most well known of the bunch, is only known about real guitar enthusiasts/cartoon fans/chickens.
stinson... first time I've heard that he was from replacement, I tought he was a temp. replacement in the band for duff
fortus... the guy who played with britney, nsync... I bet not one fan of nsync of britney knows who fortus is. how the fuck would anyone else know about him?
pittman... dont make me lough.

they are no-names!!!

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

Honestly,i can't imagine newgnr without finck!!!
Great guitar player and great man on the stage

Well,after chinese democracy,noone won't ask for a saul Hadson

the blues solo can be confirmed, someone else can find the source of that info. :beer:

watch the 05/12 2006 dvd and you`ll see which parts of the song he plays and which not...

and i don`t play guitar, but i consider myself quite good in hearing what he plays/wrote and what not : ok:

and everyone thought bucket wrote better before axl told the truth : ok:

even i thought it`s "the rocker bucket wrote" (quote from brain)... well we were all wrong

We don't have to. Just because you're not familiar with their previous bands doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't.

I bet more than ten people knew of The Replaments alone.



/jarmo

I have all the DVDs from NY, and countless vids from this new tour.  Finck is and always will be a sloppy sloppy live guitarist.  Most of the people on this board say that he means to play like that but if anybody plays guitar or knows anyone that plays guitar then you would know he has a horrendus form while playing.

Again, he could be an amzing writer and be that sloppy, but unlike you guys, I'm gonna wait to read the linear notes before  I start proclaiming he can write better than Slash or even Buckethead for that matter.

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

It doesn't matter who is in this band or if they suck or not, they'll get their sack ridden on this board.  Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

You described yourself just great  : ok: . Still no one is holding you on this non objective board...

hey I can't wait for this album.  I'd kill for a studio version of Madagascar.  But I can admit that Axl sounded like shit in 02, during 02 I admitted that.  I can admit negative aspects about the band but that doesn't make me less of a fan.  If anything it makes you more of a fan to have an objective opinion instead of blindly following the herd.

Criticism on this board is taken as a negative. If it ain't positive it gets moved to the Dead Horse or locked.  I'm a huge fan of Finck when he was in NIN (NIN is my 3rd favorite band behind GNR and Tool) but I hate him in GNR.  I wish Axl would just go with Thal on lead and Fortus on rhthym...

that`s complete bullshit dude

just because it`s your opinion doesn`t mean everyone else here doesn`t give a shit about the new band. i honestly didn`t enjoy watching frank ferrer on drums at the gig in nijmegen i attended, because i wanted to see brain again. the band minus bumblefoot is guns n`roses to me. and if anyone of these guys quits i don?t know what to think of the band after that. it`s probably the same to me as it`s for some of you with the old members.

and you either didn?t read my post or you just didn`t get my point. i said that you`ll see who plays  certain guitar parts in twat for example if you watch the dvd. robin played exactely the parts me and most people here expected him to.  lots of my friends are guitar players and i`m a big fan of guitar playing/solos in general by the way. robin is my favourite guitar player and that?s it. i don`t care if he fucks up a solo from time to time. mostly, he`s simply great imo.

and denying that he wrote the solos of the blues, better, irs and chinese democracy he`s playing live is just stupid by the way...

Thats 2, just need 8 more :hihi:

made-up-bullshit. I bet Robin gets along with Izzy just fine. Why wouldn't he? Izzy is not even in GN'R.
Robin knows he will have hes moment when "Chinese Democracy" is out.

I agree with you 100%.  Robin does his own thing and thats why he is GNR.

I find it odd how they're not allowed to do interviews, it seems. ?I mean, Robin is never featured in any magazines like Slash was/is.
It makes it seem a lot more like it's just Axl's band because of this.

I'm not denying anything.  I doubt he wrote of few of those solos.  The point I'm trying to make is YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT AND NEITHER DO I.  You want to act like you know what sgoing on in Guns N' Roses but you don't.  For all we know Robin could've written 90% of the songs by himself or Axl wrote the guitar parts.  Until the CD comes out and we have cd linear book or Axl does an interview and is asked who wrote what, WE DON'T KNOW.  Stop ASSUMING you DO, thats all I'm asking, apparently thats too much....This is what we do know

Robin didn't write ANYTHING in Nine Inch Nails
Axl said Better was a "Robin song" which doesn't even say that he wrote it, just implies it.  It could mean that its Robin's favorite fucking song or that he wrote the chorus.  Again, until the CD comes out or Axl or any of the band members do interviews, we don't know.  Based on Buckethead's previous writing skills he has actually displayed though, you can make the GUESS that he wrote guitar parts. Don't you wish you had songs you know for 100% that Robin wrote to compare??

damn...
more than 10 people know me, and I'm still a no-name.
and it doesnt matter how many people know replacements or NIN or Tool.
the fact is that nobody! knows of Stinson, Finck or Pit(t)man. only a couple of diehards on the internet.


it's not like people are gonna buy chinese democracy becuase Chris Pittman is in the band! They will buy it becuase it's GNR, its Axl Rose or it sounds great. but this guys are not a "Brand" of their own.

why are you people afraid to admit it?!

John 5 is a well known musician. Dave Navarro is not a no-name.
but robin finck is a no-name. only real nin/manson fans knew of him.
Casual listeners dont care/know.

I've been listening for NIN for years... and before the internet, how the hell would I have known that it's robin finck that's performing with the band live?!
He's not mentioned in credits on one single CD, untill the "all that could have been". and then there was no point in it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the Replacements fans dont even know that Tommy is in guns n roses.   Like wise with people that knew of Robin.  The biggest name was Buckethead, he had publicity whilst he was in the band.  To a small extent I see that happening with bumblefoot now, but not with the others.

Lucky, from the biggest music newsite in the US-BILLBOARD, just yesterday
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002986769

Nobody knows about Tommy? He is VERY well known in the music industry and in the history of American rock and roll....no mention of Gnr in that article....

well Finck better find someone to give him a blowjob on stage if he wants to be in the magazines :no:

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

I said it to myself many times that I am not going down that road ever again, but... It is amazing. People complain they are not a band, but hired hands. People complain that Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain are not good enough. Huh, I don't get it; are they a band or hired hands? Hired hands? Wow, Mr. Rose is so wasted and no one wants to play with him so he has bad hired hands in the band ::). Funny, but all those objective GNR fans would stop all the complaints about Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain if they were Slash and Adler. No matter of their playing skills. 

You say you will wait with your judgement about Mr. Finck until record comes out and just after you say thay you hate him in GNR.

You say Mr. Brain doesn't know to play YCBM intro and how we all forget about Mr. Brain when Mr. Frank played it... oh, really? Mr. Frank is great. He did it great. But he is just a hired hand. Mr. Brain is Guns N Roses. So is Mr. Finck.

All together they create and play music. Mr. Rose could get anyone to be a hired hand. He didn't. He made a choice and that choice is current line-up. All of them are special in a way to him, if not to you. But it is not your band (GNR) so who cares...

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

that doesnt mean a thing.
I also found this article there.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002986554
still I have no idea who these people are.
most people think the same about Stinson.

And USA is not the world. how the fuck are people in europe suposed to know about "Replacements"

The same way we know about The Sex Pistols.

First of all, whats up with all the Mister's?  :)

Second of all, I believe I said I would withhold my judgment on Finck's WRITING skills until Cd comes out.  As far as a live player for a rock n roll band, I don't like him at all.

So if Mr. Frank plays the US shows and nothing is said about Brain, is Brain still GNR or is Frank now GNR?  I'll bet anything if Frank keeps playing, we'll see Frank is GNR posts and how much better he is for the band than Brain.  Its what this board does.  I've been on it for almost 4 years now, I think, I used to lurk.....This band goes as Axl goes, not as Finck, Pittman or any other player goes...

i never heard of the replacements either I thought they were the guys who did the Freinds theme song I have still never heard a Replacements song ??? ...and once people said that Bucket and brain were from Primus and Robin was from NIN I was like OK cool : ok: and I just clued in recently who Fortus played for (Furs) but have only heard one tune off a soundtrack

I knew Pittman from TooL that's it :-\ and everybody i tell about the band is the same way when i name off the members to them :hihi:

*EDIT* and i consider myself pretty knowledgable about music too... :-\

Pistols were the world known band.
replacements were known only among punks in the states.

we're not to blame because replacements never got a record deal over the atlantic.

Of course not. Anything that proves you're wrong about these "unknown" musicians won't mean a thing.

The fact that they played in bands that sold lots of albums and played all over the world doesn't mean shit because you never heard of them. ?::)

If you only listen to 80s hair metal, chances are you won't have heard of these guys...



/jarmo

on may 17th during Patience, they stood right next to each other facing each other for about half of the song.  And yes Robin IS GNR  :beer:

It's funny that you mention the guitar thing, because you're wrong in everything....

The Blues was confirmed by Robins Webmaster

Chinese Democracy was written by Josh Freese (maybe not all, but certainly the mainriff)

There Was A Time is all Robin until 4:22

Ok, I can't believe how much bullshit I readed here...

- Zakk didn't wrote anything on The Blues. There was a fake interview with him and people repeats this claim as its true. Robin's webmaster even answered someone that Robin indeed wrote The Blues solo.

- Axl told the NY crowd about Better that "people will be pissed off, but this is a Robin song" - or something like that. I think that means he wrote the music and Axl the lyrics. It's pretty obvious the real meaning.

- Chinese Democracy's riff was wrote by Josh Freese. I guess there's a source to confirm this on HTGTH main site.

- Robin is all over the new songs played live and the demos (besides CITR's solos). It's not that hard to notice.

You can talk about opinion... You can say you don't like the guy. But deny his contribution in the new songs is pretty much baseless bitching, IMO.

Ok, Lipfel beat me, but he's 100% right. And he plays guitar too, so do I. ;)

Link...email for proof....

again, link...email for proof whatever you have to confirm this

Really?  Robin tell you? or Axl?  Buckethead tell you that at 4:22 he started writign b/c Robin passed out or something???

Thanks for clearing up the Blues.  But Robin may be all over the new tracks but how the hell does anyone know what he WROTE?!?!  I'm not disputing his playing on the tracks, I'm disputing that he wrote everything.  NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING

you can watch the may 12th dvd and see for yourself.   

dude, you are one tough guy to talk to.
are you blind or are you ignoring parts of my posts on purpose.

I said, IT DOESNT MATTER IF I'VE HEARED THEM PLAY. What matters is that I've never heared OF them.
they might have sold records as a part of a band, but as a musician/person they are UNKNOWN.
NORMAL people dont know about them. they are not known outside the world of cyber nerds such as our sealves.
ordinary people only know the frontman of those bands, and dont bother to read the bios.
ordinary people are the ones that count.


tell me the name of the bass player for alice cooper in the period 1979-1983.
NOBODY not even alice cooper knows that.
the guy is a no-name! No matter how alice cooper's band was famous back then.


ordinary people dont even know of Dizzy Reed, and he's the keyboard player for GNR.
only people that are into keyboards, and GNR know that.
same goes for every other band.

only people that were into NIN/manson might know of finck
only people that were into "replacements" knew of stinson
only people that were into "tool" knew of pittman (and I've meet a lot of people that are into tool and dont know of him)

I WATCHED him PLAY it.  He did GREAT on the NEW songs. BUT HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT HE WROTE IT FROM WATCHING HIM PLAY IT?!?!?!


MY GOD,  this is just flying over all your heads cuz you don't want to admit that you don't know what Robin did or did not write...

Ok, listen to '99 version of TWAT, without Bucket.

All you want is a proof for the obvious answer. Why don't you prove that he didn't wrote it?

I don't waste my time looking for proof to you, because you wouldn't believe me anyway, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who can tell you the same...
And about There Was A Time... I thought you were such a good guitar player? You don't hear that it's not Buckethead? Oh, and maybeit would be a good 7 minutes for you to watch the Hammerstein performance of this song, it clearly shows, who's playing what...

I CAN'T THAT IS THE GOD DAMN POINT. JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT HE DID!

For all you know Chris Pittman is writing the guitar tracks, someone on Wikipedia sure thinks so.  Or how about Paul Tobias, he was in the band right around then.

You guys seriously can't be this stupid...

axl said "this is a song put together by robin finck" in nijmegen : ok:

and i`m not acting like i know what?s going on in gnr. but as several members mentioned allready, it?s a fact robin wrote the solo and the guitar lines in the blues. of course i`m "just guessing" about the other songs as i didn`t see the liner notes..... but it`s quite safe to say who wrote which solo. i don`t know who wrote which song though (except for maddy, silkworms, oh my god and better...)
 

and of course i`d like to have the CD booklet in my hands right now to know for sure, but we all know about that story :hihi:

oh... and we indeed know some things for sure : ok:


axl might agree with you on that....  but since robin has a pretty unique style it`s easy to recognize his solos

Excellent point Voodoo!!! ?:beer: You beat him! ?;D

dude..... for all we know gnr could be a casting band and neither slash nor axl wrote one note or word from the old songs ::)

you'd be suprised how stupid GNR fans can be...

its pointless to have a discussion with a bunch of fanboys....

 Copyrights and CD booklets would prove you wrong...

it`s pointless to have a discussion with someone who hardly trusts his own eyes

no  it could all be faked... or were you there when saxl wrote november rain?

@Lucky & JustWckd

Thanks for the insults  : ok: ! You proved I am wrong  ::).

Yours sincerly,

Stupid Fanboy (TM)

who the hell did I insult?

I'm sure you can.

The point is: he's the one who plays those leads... The obvious answer is that HE wrote it, otherwise anyone else would play it. Richard plays Paul Tobias and Buckethead stuff, so yes, it's hard to tell what he wrote or not.

But with Robin is way different. Also, we all know how the new songs were written by the whole band. We all know how Axl asked Brian May to play some leads back in 2000 because he was so attached emotionally with Robin's stuff. Those are facts, and you can't deny this.

Yeah, I can't prove right now anything about Robin but Better's credits. But the answer is OBVIOUS, altought you want to ignore those points.

I really don't know  :hihi:

well that's a medical condition, not an insult.
just take a look at the Andy Wallace thread.
how would you describe all the people that actually believed that crap?

well definetly not stupid. people sometimes need to belive in something... that keep them alive  ;).

Yes, all signs point to him writing, but since he has never written in the past, until there is 100% I'm not going to praise him or say he is "more GNR than Slash was".  Its laughable how you can praise someone over 6 songs compared to 4 full cds of work (3 being original) and an EP.

there wouldn't be so many new vs old arguements if the "new" fans didn't try to piss on the legacy of the old band.  if you view these as two seperate bands and pretend they aren't named GNR, they are both amazing....


I'm done for now...

that explains why so many people voted for HDZ... :P


and if they decided to believe that crap, why the fuck do they keep bugging me for not believing ?!

Lol this thread is funny. Izzy hasnt even been mentioned for about a page.

Whats with this 'Robin IS GNR because he wrote Better and a solo for the Blues therefore hes the greatest thing ever to grace the Earth' nonsense. Based on that theory I come to the conclusion that 'Teddy Andreadis IS GNR'.

Better is a average Nu-metal song (yes I know thats an oxymoron) and a guitar solo. Hes not exactly Mozart or Hendrix or someone like that is he?

For the record I also didnt know any of the band before they joined Guns. Apart from Josh Freese and he left years ago - but even he managed to write the riff for Chinese Democracy. Therefore 'Josh Freese IS GNR'. Is that correct?

By the standards that the fans in this thread has set, yes Freese is GNR.

Better, TWAT, CD, Maddy, Blues...., they are all good songs....they don't compare to anything GNR though, but that is neither here nor there...

BTW, Teddy was a badass.  He is more GNR then Chris Pittman will ever be...  :hihi:

Nobody on this board would admit it... ?:hihi: ?I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

 : ok:

damn right!

Well there was like 4 or 5 of us, but the majority far and away outweighed us...

It's pretty obvious from listening to TWAT what part are Bucket's and Robin's. I'm not gonna say I'm the best guitarist in the world because I'm still learning, but on my first listen it was evident what was played by Robin and Bucket. Lets face it, the two of them have the most contrasting styles, it doesn't take a genius to work out who played what on that song.

So, doesn't look that stupid now, huh? You can keep denying, if it's ok for you. I just don't know why are you trying so hard to deny it.

For what is worth, he wrote two lead/solos guitar tracks in Ghosts Of Mars Soundtrack, so yes, he indeed wrote something (good, BTW) in the past, lol. :hihi:

About the "He's more GN'R than Slash", I guess that was just a matter of time frame in the band. Don't need to read that much into that.

It's laughable how you don't think people could just like him for what he have been done. Also, there's the live gigs where Robin adds his style... You don't have to like it, but there's a lot of people who disagree with you and its just their opinions.

I don't think anyone is pissing on the old band. Again, I think you're making a big deal of that... And that's not a reason to try to make Robin look bad as you did above. If you think this new band is amazing, why bash one of its most important musicians?

I'm glad, thank you.

Those same people probably can't tell you who plays drums, bass or rhythm guitar on AFD. I guess it makes Steven, Duff and Izzy UNKNOWN too? ?;)

You were the one who said less than ten people here would know of them, not me! Don't try to change the fact. I'm saying there's some GN'R fans who were into The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, Tool or whatever, and therefore knew of the guy(s) when they joined GN'R.

So chances are more than ten people thought "Tommy Stinson? Cool, he was in the Replacements!" when they heard he had joined GN'R....



/jarmo

Kenny Passarelli
David Hungate
John Pierce
Dee Murray
Lee Skiar

ok. we can go on like this for ever.
there's one way to clear this.

can I start a poll "did you know about Tommy Stinson before he joined GNR"
with out being karma-d for spamming?


I personally had no idea of him or the replacements.
I've been a finck fan long before he joined GNR, and I've known of buckethead, but everybody else in the band was practically unknown to me (and I bet to most of the people)





are those the bass players, or ALL people that know who was playing bass for cooper in that era? :hihi:

Not all of them were as known as Tommy, nobody's debating that.




/jarmo

im really sick of this shit about brain not being able to play YCBM right, this guy is way better than anyone ever in the band, he just plays the fucking song different

Both

Good for you lot who knew who these guys were when they joined the band. Anyone know who Fortus was? Or did you cheat and look in the NSync sleevenotes? I notice nobody has mentioned him.

As for Pitman being in Tool - I've loved Tool for years and didnt know that he was 'executive button presser' or whatever on Third Eye until it was mentioned on here. ?

Im sure what alerted you to these guys' work were the revelations 'Nine Inch Nails Guitarist Robin Finck joins Guns N Roses' or 'Primus drummer Brain joins Guns N Roses' that were announced at the time.
 

I dont see why we turned this into a tommy debate.
I think we're all off topic.
but I think that band members are fairly no-names compared to some other possible choices.

the 99 band was made of well known names.
dave navarro and josh are among the better known people in their domain.
but you cant compare how well known finck is to navarro, or how well ?known brain is compared to josh.

I must admit that I dont know many bass players at all, but I guess few people would say that Fortus is one of the greatest/most famous bass players in the world.

Chris Pittman - we dont even know for sure if his name is "Pitman" or "Pittman" - he's not a no-name. he's a dont-know-name

Fortus - I admit I knew that there was a guy that plays for N'SYNC but I never, in my wildest dreams wanted to know anything about him before he joined GNR.

I bet anything that most of the people fell like this, but there's some need around here to kill anyone that has even a slightly critical oppinion.

I love the band. I dont cry for the 90s (maybe I would like to see buckethead back), but I dont see what's with the need to think that they are best at everything?!

Well if this the case, it JUST DOESN"T SOUND GOOD. It doesn't call for what he does.

Was this intentional?  :rofl:

Lucky, what instrument does Tommy play?

drums.

edit: cello

See even Lucky doesnt know who does what.

Point proven. ?:hihi:

And here I was picking on the wrong guy all this time  :-[

damn it.  :drool:
go ahead. crucify me.  I deserve it.  :peace:
but I think it's obvious I ment Stinson. :-*

I figured, but your mistake went along with the point you were trying to make? :hihi:

it's one of those situations when you think one thing, and your mouth says something else....

Even ignoring your mistake, and the fact that you admit yourself that you don't know any bass players ::), the point is pretty much worthless. No one would want Les Claypool, Billy Sheehan, Jaco Pastorius, Jeff Berlin, Stu Hamm, Michael Manring, Flea, Charlie Haden, Jack Bruce etc. in GNR - it's not a band for virtuoso bass playing. He looks the part and stays on the beat. Plus, he has a high voice that is ideal for back-up vox w/Axl. He is known by many people - the Replacements are an iconic band, believe it or not. It astounds me that some of you think of these people as "no-names" just because you've never heard of them. Does that apply to political and historical figures as well? How about famous artists from the rennaissance? Are any of you familiar with Arnold Schoenberg, or Steve Reich? If not, maybe 20th century classical music should just hang it up because it's not as famous as Slash. If only they wore top-hats! More people probably know Britney Spears than Slash - I guess that makes him a no-name to some people too. Wow-this gets confusing.

best post of the thread... :beer:

dude I never said they suck!
I like them all, but they are not famous!!!
They are great musicians but ---> NO-NAME = not famous!!!

they are no-name talented musicians!!!! THATS HOW THIS FUCKIN DISCUSSION STARTED
as soon as I said that, all hell broke loose.
(and what's so wrong about being no-name and talented)


I'm not saying that they are unknown because I dont know of them. I'm saying that they are unknown because most of the poeple here(and everywhere else) dont know about them.
and even the guys I knew before they joined GNR I think that they are fairly no-names. such as buckethead and finck.


(But you would have known all that if you only bothered to read my post)






this discussion is way off topic!!!
I dont remember the last time anyone here mentioned izzy..., and this is a finck/stradlin thread.

A pair of hacks. Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary would kick their ass

I'm usually hell lazy in learning musician names like I had NIN albums and yet I didn't memorise Trent's name.  but I happened to know Robin's name beforehand as he was quite popular among girls.

Whether they were unknown or well known, it's all the same to me. Or rather previously unknown talents might be more interesting.
I'm more into the present and the future and what we're building than the legacies built in the past.
They together make the music I love in this band. That's all matters.



cheer up mate. ;)

Well seeing Robin on pay-per-view in 1994 kinda makes you realize who he is. It was Nine Inch Nails @ Woodstock 94 and he was playing in that band. A few years later he joined GN'R.

Brain played in Primus, a band I never was a huge fan of, but I remembered the name when he was mentioned as the new drummer.




/jarmo

Amen.
Just because that fuckhead Matt played it differently, doesn't mean Brain does it wrong. Axl wouldn't hire someone who couldn't play the ycbm solo..

I really don't know how anyone can say that anyone who was in the Replacements is a "no-namer". To most critics and especially fans of indie rock, the replacements were one the most important acts to come out of the 1980's.

I think, yeah, the replacements might be "no-namers" if you are a GNR fan who listens to other bands more like Metallica or Bon Jovi or Nickleback but if you have a musical taste that runs the gament a bit, you know the replacements.

I think that can be said for all the members of this band. Sure, no one is as well-known as Slash or Scott Weiland, but all the members (ok, maybe not Pittman) have been in critically and commerically successful bands before and are well known in the music community.

make a poll, and you'd see that no more than 10 members around here knew who was Saul Hadson before he joined the band

Brain doesn't do it in a good way. And what does the solo in YCBM have anything to do with the way Brain drums the song?

I don't get it sometimes. They play all those old songs because that's all concert goers want to hear, yet a song like this is different because Brain drums it the way he wants...

Robin is not even in the same league or sport as IZZy...

get your head out of your asses!

ROBIN =GNR AHHAHAHAHAHHAAH

IZZY=Founding member, childhood buddy of Axl and co writer and writer of large quantity of GNR HITS

you guys dont know shit

you just proved my theory dick!
he was a no-name talented musician!
Like I've been saying for the past 5 hours.

You have him confused with someone else. His name is Michael no Richard


Slash had no history with an established band before joining GnR though. So it doesn't really prove your point as far as Tommy, Brain, and Robin are concerned

And robin is fairly famous musician with an unknown talent for writing.
Axl must have a great gift for discovering musicians or bringing out their latent abilities.

Is this what you've been trying to say for 5 hours? ???

Jajaja ;D ;D ;D ;D :rofl: :rofl: ;D ;D ;D What a great joke     ;D :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: ;D :hihi: Robin is Guns, Izzy unfortunately or fortunately is not Guns, What a great joke, you're really good as jokers  : ok:, jajaja :hihi: :rofl: ;D :rofl: :hihi:

jajaja :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: I can't stop laughing, You should go to an Austin Powers's casting  :hihi: :hihi: :rofl:

Guess what band Izzy has been playing with lately.

Hint: It's not a band featuring Slash.

Isn't that funny? :hihi: :hihi: :rofl:



/jarmo

was slash talented? yes he was/is.

did anyone know about him before he joined GNR? no they did not.

what does make him. talented person that nobody knows of. in another words... talented no-name.



Finck/Stinson

Are they telented? yes they are

how well were they known before joining GNR? not well at all.

what does that make them? talented no-names.

are they well known now? no they are not.

people seen them live, but nobody knows their names.

so they are still reasonable no-names.



I'm claiming that finck/stinson are fairly unknown for musicians for people with such great abilities.

and that so far they have lived in the shadows of their past bands and frontmen.

it's up to Axl to let them live outside of his shadow once the album is released.

the replacements are one the most important band to come out of the 80s.tommy did it all before he turned 21. why do u think hes in guns axl got lot of respect for his past.i was shockd when he joined them. like paul westerberg said of tommy    he was groomed to be a rockstar.

I did bother to read your post(there's some time I'll never get back), but apparently you didn't read mine. I'm not implying that you think they suck - I'm simply amazed that you are arrogant enough to call them no-names simply because you have never heard of them.

If you want to keep the conversation on topic, I would say that anyone who wants the new band to succeed would be happy that Izzy has played with them.

this thread has turned into a retared,usless discussion. congratulations

Wow - a thread making non-points based in conjecture about interpersonal relationships between 2 band members who haven't offered an opinion on the subject has turned out to be useless. Color me surprised.  ::)

i didnt bother reading through the whole thread... but wtf man? why are people bitching about izzy coming on stage with guns? thats bullshit. izzy comin on stage isn't any disrespect to robin or trying to show robin up or anything.. i see it as an old member of a band joining the new members of the band that he helped start and supporting them.. big props to izzy  :beer: