Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This certainly is not going to be the typical post, in fact it is going to turn out to be quite serious and not typical of what one normally see here.

What this concerns is the supposed title of the new album, "Chinese Democracy" and also the lyrics to that song of the same name.

It turns out that in fact, there truly is a very serious Chinese Democracy movement with Chinese dissedents doing much to make that name more than that but in fact a reality. And that is because of the fact that the Chinese Communist Party and it's actions have caused more death from executions and starvation than any war in history. We are talking over 50 million people have died in China since the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)? took power in 1945.

Now in fact there is a band that has gotten very involved in trying to end this brutal regime. This band has played at huge Chinese Democracy/Freedom rallies attended by thousands on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial doing hard rock/meta anthems against the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). These shows saw Sterling Campbell who is David Bowie's drummer on drums. This same band is banned in China and visiting the website of this band is against the law over there.

This band also had a video made by New Tang Dynasty Television of it's song, "Bye Bye CCP" which basically tells the brutal government to step down. This video features brutal footage of Chinese citizens being beat up by Chinese police and shows terrible things buts end with hope. The lyrics are in fact quite clear and confrontational ...... this video can be seen for free on web and has been by thousands and thousands of viewers. It was also broadcast into China by New Tang Dynasty TV via satillite over the objections of the government there. It is at the link

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://www.nomanzero.com/Bye%20Bye%20CCP%20video.htm

Paste into your browser and you will without a doubt be in a sort of shock. There has never, ever been a video like it before.

This same band performed this song with 20 yards of the Chinese Communist Embassy in Washington DC on the 18 anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre which probably did not make those in the Embassy very happy but the band did it anyway at high volume through over 2000 watts of power! THe lyrics are below in both Chinese and English.

Now here is the challange to Guns and Roses. The lyrics to that song, "Chinese Democracy" hint at disatisfaction with the regime in China but is not so easy to tell. Our thoughts are, why be so implied or say things like "it doesn't matter" in the lyrics. It matters a lot. We have friends who have been brutally beaten and lived to tell us. We know of plenty of others that didn't live to tell about it. And there are other things that could be mentioned that I will spare you.

Will this post be censored ? I sure hope not. That would be a very wierd thing on a GnR page if you ask me.

I am the guitarist in this band that is called NoManZero? (www.NoManZero.com and my MySpace page is at www.MySpace.com/NoManZero ). I co-wrote the song "Bye Bye CCP" (Chinese Communist Party) and played the shows I describe above. We talked about this and feel that GnR should be challanged on the issue of Chinese Demcracy. We know people in the Chinese Democracy party who just met in NYC while in exile from China.....

Come GnR, say it for real........your lyrics to song are too hard to understand. Our lyrics as seen belwo are straight and to the point. Are you afraid of the government's reaction over there.? Fight for Freedom !!! to earn the right to the name "Chinese Democracy" !!



BYE BYE CCP
退出中共邪党

Lyrics of the song by NoManZero

Words and music by Ron Luke and Tim Britt, 2005


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English
 Chinese
 
What is a party with no freedom to choose?
'Speak your mind; 'they'll beat you in jail
We're tired of lies and we're sick of the killing
They're part of a system that's destined to fail
 走進邪党，意味著失去自由

袒露心聲，等來的却是獄中的折磨

我們厭倦了謊言，我們受够了暴力

它們的滅亡是歷史的必然
 
We don't need this bureaucrat nightmare
making your country just a living hell
 逃離那血色惡夢

因爲它把我們的家園變爲人間地獄
 
Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose
 告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇
 
Bye Bye.
 告別邪黨，告別中共
 
What kind of party pretends not to lose it?
Controlling the airwaves, distorting the news
Twisting your mind, telling what we must feel
They live in their mansions, what else could they steal?
 什麽樣的邪黨懼怕失去權利

控制媒體，彎曲事實

扭曲心靈，高壓强爲

它們强占一切，哪容你半點自由
 
We don't need this bureaucrat nightmare
making your country just a living hell
 逃離那血色惡夢

因爲它把我們的家園變爲人間地獄
 
Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose
 告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇
 
Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.
 告別邪黨，告別中共

告別邪黨，告別中共

告別邪黨，告別中共

告別邪黨，告別中共
 
What is a party with no freedom to choose?
'Speak your mind; 'they'll beat you in jail
We're tired of lies and we're sick of the killing
They're part of a system that's destined to fail
 走進邪党，意味著失去自由

袒露心聲，等來的却是獄中的折磨

我們厭倦了謊言，我們受够了暴力

它們的滅亡是歷史的必然
 
We don't need this bureaucrat nightmare
making your country just a living hell
 逃離那血色惡夢

因爲它把我們的家園變爲人間地獄
 
Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose
 告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇
 
Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.

Bye Bye.
 告別邪黨，告別中共

告別邪黨，告別中共
 
We don't need this bureaucrat nightmare
making your country just a living hell
 逃離那血色惡夢

因爲它把我們的家園變爲人間地獄
 
Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose

Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose

Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose

Bye Bye CCP, you're nothing but yesterday's news
Bye Bye CCP, don't tell us what we can choose
 告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇
 


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Words and music by Ron Luke and Tim Britt, 2005
(C) 2005 All rights Reserved
(P) 2005

Cut. Print. Gay.

Yet another moron using GnR to try and get a name made for themselves.

Pathetic!

Stop taking drugs.

Won't have time to reply much anymore but this is seriously legimate.

For more information visit..

www.ChinaSupport.net

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇

告別邪黨，它就將成爲歷史的垃圾

告別中共，我們別無選擇


I'm thinking it must take quite a while for a Chinese person to hand-write a letter to someone.

I highly doubt that Axl Rose & company give a crap about what the Chinese government thinks of their little band. Most writers fashion their lyrics to be taken in different ways anyway.


BTW...Don't you state that you can't understand the lyrics in "Chinese democracy"? So how can you critique the message?

no thanks, I'd rather just listen to GnR & their "Complicated" lyrics! if you think there too complicated, i'd recommend that you go back to school....thats if your not still there

So serious that you need to use a Guns N' Roses message board to advertise your band??

WOW....thats pretty serious.

ummmm....crack is bad for you

Take your politics, and your b rate punk lyrics elsewhere ?: ok:

Regarding China, yes I agree it's a serious issue that people should care about. ?Regarding song lyrics, it's all a matter of musical taste. ?For me, I enjoy GNR's lyrics - complexity is Axl's virtue. ? : ok:

Word to your mother

Crack is bad, my friends. ?Step away from the pipe, please ?:yes:

Ali

well, of all the wierd topics ive seen here..this must be one of the wierdest ever.

Uhm...wow.  Shouldn't this thread be locked by now?  Shameless self-promotion, anyone?

There is a recording somewhere of the Jonestown massacre in which Jim Jones and his circle hand out glasses of cyanide laced kool aid to hundreds of followings. A low, melodic drone music is heard in the background.

reading this thread makes me envious of these people.

WTF is this thread??  :rofl:

Not locked yet???

I think we're goin' for a record. : ok:

Stop ..... please!  I've got a f**kin headache now :no:

Are u down with CCP?  Yeah u know me

U down with CCP? Yeah u know me



LOL!


Axl may cancel the next tour and the album altogether if he reads this thread. we better hurry and lock it NOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

OP: There is a substantial difference between making a statement and making quality art or music. If your art is simply a vehicle for a political agenda, what aesthetic value does it have? The lyrics you printed above seem to say, "not much." It's nice that you are concerned about politics in China, but coming out and saying so in such a direct way is not good writing - it does label you as "b grade punk." You will convince more people to feel sympathetic to your cause by using metaphors that they can relate, rather than stating random facts and opinions.

I can't believe I responded to this seriously.

Nothing but promotion taking advantage of GN'R and the name of their forthcoming album.

- Topic locked -

(Hint: Offspring tried it - well they tried to try it - it didn't work)