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Hey, I thought it might be a good idea to start up a general discussion topic regarding the U.S. tour since the UK one is ending soon...  When do you think the U.S. tour will start?  I can't wait!  : ok:

Hard to guess a date (already one listed though), but sometime in September I suppose. Didn't Richard mention this somewhere along the line?

I dunno... I hope its soon, tho.  I think that they'll release the album as soon as they come back or shortly after.   :smoking:

My guess would be either New York, or the KROC show that's already been announced (well on the KROC site anyway).

Two things I really want to see:

Focus on the MAJOR MARKETS. New York, L.A., Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Las Vegas, Miami, Seattle, etc. None of this Boise, Idaho shit.

Canadian tour, or just more Canadian shows. On the last tour, London was sold out and Toronto was 15,000+. The band is still huge in the western/middle provinces. Hell London only has 200,000 people and they sold it out in 2002 AFTER the Vancouver riot and the bad press from it... with good press from a successful european tour they should do well.

Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg, London, Toronto, Ottawa, and think about Vancouver (ugh) or Victoria in B.C., and maybe Montreal (ugh again) or Quebec City in Quebec, and maybe Halifax.

As long as they come to Toronto and Hamilton Ontario Canada I shall die a happy man.

I would love it if they came to Victoria. I wouldn't have to take the ferry to Vancouver or fly to NY, to see the band.

I'm still playing "The Blues" from Pittsburgh '02...looking forward to seeing them there again, I hope.

That's the best version of The Blues I have ever heard!

although i have never been to a GNR concert before (hopefully they come around western canada) i am a bit worried about the US tour.  im not doubting GNR they are my favorite band but the atmosphere over here in north america is different than europe.  we have stupid kids who listen to emo/rap/punk turned emo/r&b and the music video channels have been pushing that crap for years so its no wonder.  i was even reading an interview with steven adler a while back and he thought that europe was much more into rock than the us.  my worry is that if they will be able to sell out arena shows or close to it every night?  the worst thing that could happen is a north american tour with only half the seats filled  :'(

Tour with Nine Inch Nails! : ok:

He wants to fill the arena's, NOT make it any worse than it is!  :hihi:

They should definitely get on a bill with someone major at least for the beginning of the tour or if they want to fill the bigger arenas.  My guess is that these plans are already made or are in the making since the fall is coming up pretty fast now.  I can't imagine them not already having venues booked here in the US being that it is already July....

They also need at LEAST a single released before the US tour if they plan to start it w/o the actual release of CD but this has been mentioned 721777823 times before....

That being said I really hope they don't tour with Nine Inch Nails...

I think he should tour with KID ROCK, his new pal.  Kid Rock is somewhat current and has a large following of fans who are probably into Guns N' Roses.  I personally think this double headliner could fill football stadiums in some markets if priced right.  Anyone agree? 

I currently live in Atlanta and if Axl comes here with just his band and some piece of shit opener like BFMV, he might as well play the Tabernacle, which is a cool venue that seats 2,500 ppl at most.  It would be a good way to build a buzz by selling it out and having a lot of pissed off people who would feel left out when the 2500 people hit the streets the day after talking about how great the show is. 

Also, Kid Rock isn't hanging with Axl for nothing.  He is not currently on tour and will probably go back out soon anyway.  When I saw him here in Atlanta a few months back, he had a great crowd and the show was nearly sold out at the Gwinnett Center, which seats about 15000.  Kid Rock went out on tour with Aerosmith/ RUN DMC a few years ago and it was one of the biggest summer tours that year.  Thoughts?

Where would they play in Anaheim?  House of Blues?

It'd be awesome to see them play in LA, Anaheim, and at Inland Invasion, and maybe San Diego.

I think that they'll play 2-4 dates at smaller LA/OC venues prior to Inland Invasion.  At least, I hope.  I would love for them to play 2 or 4 days at Hollywood HoB or Henry Fonda Theatre before they do Inland Invasion.  They need to play some small venues for their hometown  :smoking:

I wanna see this  :beer:

WeHeldTogether, The Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim.  : ok:

A worthy request. I wish they would come to Edmonton and/or Calgary. Last time they were in Edmonton was the 91' tour with Metallica, but I can't be sure.

From the looks of things with the current European tour, it appears GnR' are ready for another world tour similiar to 91' - 93', but not that long. I'm thinking like Illusions, they will release the album during their tour of the U.S., and then head down to South America to finish it off. We have already heard half the album, so GnR' are in the right direction.

What worries me is Axl. Is he ready for a long tour? Can he keep his composure?

i don't think a tour would last more than 2 years.  i am hoping forn an edmonton or calgary show also.  i saw them last in '93 in saskatoon (my first concert).  i just hope we get lots of bootlegs from a n.a. tour.

I am just wondering how easy/difficult it will be for GNR to play in some venues/cities based on what happened in 2002 and the fact that a lot of these venues belong/are related  to Clear Channel (correct me if I'm wrong).  If Clear Channel doesn't want to put up with Axl, his choice of venues will be limited. However, if Clear Channel is part of the tour, they'll probably have a contract with a huge fee in case Axl doesn't show up which would be good for us going to the shows as it would likely prevent Axl from not showing up.

i think that is part of the reason that we have a Euro tour first....and notice no last minute cancellations or major incidents ;)

The reason for the Euro Tour is that asides from a few stints in '01 and '02, Axl hasn't lived life on the road as a touring musician in quite a long time.

If he has legitimate plans of dropping CD in the Fall, he wants to be sure he can handle life on the road at age 44, while his voice only grows stronger day by day, and likewise for the band as well.. :)

yeah that too....they get stronger and stronger the more they play together...from all rumors it doesn't seem like axl was practicing with the band just like old times....especially since he was in NY and they were in LA :hihi:

but you can bet your ass that the promoters in the USA and Canada are closely watching this current leg of the tour ;)

Isn't LiveNation (UK tour promoter) a Clear Channel company?

and YES NIN & GNR tour would kick ass...

yes Velimir...Live Nation would likely do the US TOUR as well. It is the touring division of Clear Channel. They own alot of venues and are the promoters. I am sure Axl has ironed out differences with them. They promoted the Hammerstein gigs.

Hey, is the KROC show gonna be on the radio?  Or is it just a festival kinda thing....

Oh, duh!  I've even been to a concert there(not GNR obviously).  I totally forgot.  :-X

But it would be really awesome if they played House of Blues (Anaheim or Hollywood).

If Axl decides he wants to tour the U.S., there will be a warm-ups in the area, that's for sure.

maybe at the Hammerstein again

You may be correct, but why does there need to be warm up gigs if they are touring the USA in the fall?  I would think the Hammerstein gigs (4), plus the entire European tour would be warm-up enough for just about anything  :peace:

Warm up for the new songs : ok:

Me too, me too.  I would try my hardest to go see them even if they came to vancouver even if it meant hitchhiking.  Another thing im worried about for the US tour is the opening acts.  I remember a few years ago GNR tried to get Sum 41 to play but they refused.  (thank god for that)  but the point is they were going to bring along a crappy band just to sell more seats which imo would ruin the tour. 

Well place your bets on Toronto - But I'd prefer Hamilton since I live there.

Turns out Clear Channel doesn't do live events anymore. Live nation is a separate publicly traded company. The paragraph below comes from their filing with the SEC. I would assume though that they are still a bunch of people from 2002 still with the division. But if they organized the Hammerstein shows, that's a good sign, and sure, they must be keeping tabs of the Euro tour. No doubt about that.

"We were formed through acquisitions of various entertainment businesses and assets by our predecessors. On August 1, 2000, Clear Channel Communications, Inc. (?Clear Channel? or ?Clear Channel Communications?) acquired our live entertainment business, which was initially formed in 1997. On August 2, 2005, we were incorporated in our current form as a Delaware corporation to own substantially all of the entertainment business of Clear Channel Communications. On December 21, 2005, the separation of the business previously conducted by Clear Channel?s live entertainment segment and sports representation business, now comprising our business, and the distribution by Clear Channel of all of our common stock to its shareholders, was completed in a tax free spin- off (the ?Distribution,? the ?Separation? or the ?spin-off?). Following our separation from Clear Channel, we became a separate publicly traded company on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE: LYV) on December 21, 2005. "

I wasn't talking about Axl's will to do a US tour as it seems pretty clear that he wants to do one. I was pointing at the willingness of promoters to go along with GNR.

Yeah, the album would (hopefully) be announced for a specific day so they would probably test the new songs on the crowd, to see how much they like them.

i had a email of richie fortus recently and it confirms that a US tour is definetly NEXT

Hi Mark,
Thanks for taking the time to write to me.  I appologize for the lengthy
delay in responding to your email.  I've been trying to catch up on my
website emails while I'm on this tour.  Not that easy though, i'm still
only at April and I've only got 2 more weeks left on the tour!  Sorry
about causing such concern when i took the dates off of my site.  Our
management didn't want us to post the dates in case there were changes.
We didn't want to confuse anyone.  Thanks for the kind words and hope
you were able to see us on this leg.  US is next!
richard

US is next.. yeah no doubt i think.

But they won't start it without a single out. I just can't believe it.....
I also wouldn't wonder if we see a coheadling tour with a little band named... what was it again? They have this funny little danish drummer..... ::)

No single by the time KROQ rolls around, pack your bags.  2002 all over again when everything keeps getting pushed back!  :yes:

I don't think so....Axl has been remarkably well behaved so far; maybe a bit of a break, put the finishing touches on CD, a release date, single, and a tour announcement.....

or maybe I'm just being overly optimistic :hihi:

i`m quite optimistic we`ll hear something before august 11th : ok:

Well, if he's gonna put the finishing touches on the CD during the break, forget about it happening this year.  :smoking:

If there any chances to see GNR in Mexico again, they came in 92 and 93 i was a child so i couldnt see them, my brother did, well that year i went to see metallica but its a long history, i wonder if i would be able to see my favorite band at my country...





Keep on Rockin Axl!

Theres 5 US dates already, CANNOT wait to see this fill up , hope the east coast gets announced soon !!

Why the fuck can't GnR just announce the whole tour all at once? Announcing a couple shows a day and not even putting the dates up on their website is bizarre. I think playing theatres before the album comes out is a smart idea though.? ?

They won't announce it all at once, so as to sell these tickets out fast at the events.  Secondly, I think it is only wise to play select, exclusive gigs at this juncture.  They are not quite ready for arenas, outside of Chicago, New York, L.A., Miami, or Boston.  Really, the theatre gigs (even if they do two nights in a row like San Fran), are a far better route for any big rock band in the U.S. right now.  One caveat, while the U.S. is dominated by Emo/Rap/Hip Hop right now, the wheels of change are a churnin, and rock is coming back.  The class of 2006 seems far more into rock, that the class of 2002.  I would play theatres, and build this thing from the ground up!  Heck, GNR are beginning to have a following like the Dead did in the seventies ;)

im hoping they decide to play either the wiltern or better yet staples center

They could tour all over North America and sell out theatres. If the albums not going to come out this year, they should do a theatre tour for us die hard fans. I loved seeing the band up front at The Hammerstein.

that would be cool. or any place where they pad you down instead of searching you with metal detectors. or else i wont be able to sneek in a cam  ;D

I like how you think Garry!   : ok:

Confirmed dates so far:

September 16th - The Joint, Las Vegas, NV
September 17th - The Joint, Las Vegas, NV
September 20th - Warfield, San Francisco,CA
September 21st - Warfield, San Francisco,CA
September 23rd - Hyundai Pavilion, Devore, CA

Is it possible that this will be soley a west-coast tour, as the band didn't play those shows in '02?

its possible, but i doubt they'll forget the rest of the country. im sure the band will play at least as many us shows as they played in europe. they need a successful us tour to obliterate the images of the abortion of a us tour in 02

I have a feeling they will do small venues the first time around, drop the album sometime, and then do bigger venues.  If I am not mistaken this is what velvet revolver did.  I saw them at the warfield the day they put out their album, and then saw them again at the bill graham civic center/auditorium or something like that.

Oh yeah I think they are extremely intelligent for playing small intimate venues like this first.  It is going to be pretty amazing.

Hopefully he'd be willing to play at the 10,000 seat Soviergn Bank Arena in Trenton, NJ  if he's not welcome in the Wachovia Arenas.

I better cross my fingers.

They need to play some shows at "The Gorge" next summer so we can have Gunnerstock!!! The Gorge is probably the coolest venue in North America to see a gig at.?

The Gorge and Red Rocks would be great venues to see GNR.

I wouldn't expect to hear a single before the tour begins; in fact, there could be nearly month of touring before something drops. Even then, i expect IRS to bat lead off for Chinese Democracy. I hope i'm surprised though.

It's not about AXL filling arena's , because back in 1992 you could spend 25 bucs easily to see them. At 75-100 buc's he will never fill a arena , then on top of that he will never keep a american crowd going because he pause's in his setlist to much (remember donington ?)

Look I love gnr as a entity , I love this website/forumn and everybody that posts in it and have gained much RESPECT to the new revised group. But AXL will never , never , never , ever again sale out a arena in AMERICA.HE WON'T even pack a arena in at 90% with the way he does his setlists , and ticket price's.

i hope we get the single like a week or so before the tour followed by the album soon after. That would be ideal

You're a funny guy... :rofl:.

The current "US Tour" is obviously a warm-up for the ARENA tour later in the fall. Lastly, I strongly doubt that the prime seats for the ARENA tour will top $65.

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I have thought all along that this approach is best.  I'm willing to travel for a few shows, as I did for Hammerstein.  I do hope they come to Atlanta and play a few nights at the Tabernacle.  If they can't get in there and end up playing the Roxy Theater, I'm in luck cause it is a block away from my loft.  I hope they generate positive press from this tour.  They really need it.  For some reason, I think they may skip Atlanta all together though.  After all, it's a city with 4 million people and a shit load of apathetic rock fans.  I wish I still lived in Chicago right now.  They should play 5 nights in one of the theaters there. 

k , I will tread on egss softly here....


I was mentioning about  a arena tour, not this warm up one , I just hope this arena tour coming up........is not like the european tour , you heard him on the trunk show himself " tour in the Us , is hard cause everybody wants the old band back.Touring in europe is cool , cause people are like wow GNR !11!!.Then you have the drawn out seltists with 4-5 solo's cause axl has to hit up the O2 back stage.Songs like Better and such will be not accepted as great grn music if played live immediately following a fortus Beatuiful single.I really like grn as a form of rock music at this time and date ,  just read that these ticket prices or high ......for what ?

i hope they go all up the east coast

I believe they will keep the theatre tour small. When their album is released, I hope they do what the Stones did on their last tour: play one theatre and one arena show in each city.

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The way I'm seeing it is they are playing it safe- instead of taking chances and playing an arena in Las Vegas to a half full audience, you do two shows at a smaller venue that are guaranteed to be sold out. Cali. is a huge state- instead of doing the 5-6 big arenas there and only selling out LA it makes sense to do the the theaters and build a buzz. My guess is when the arena fall dates are announced it will only be major cities, no B or C markets like the 2002 tour had because those are just too risky. I'm guessing if the arena dates go well(which they will)- then they will add a 2nd leg and hit the B-markets, this is pretty much what Motley Crue did with there last tour- announced about 20 dates originally all in major cities(NYC,LA,Chicago,Philly etc.) then once those sold out they added two more legs hitting other markets. Now what would be a cool idea for the major cities is to do an arena show one night, then the next night do an acoustic gig in a theater. How sweet would it be say in NYC- one nite you get the full electric set at MSG, and the next get a acoustic gig at the Beacon? That would be a cool idea.

he wasnt "pausing" in Donington - there were valid issues.  If there are TD's in any gig, you can expect a band, not just GnR, to pause or stop to sort them out.  Ticket prices prob arent a direct reflection on GnR. remember the huge battle that Pearl jam tried to have with ticketmaster about keeping ticket prices low? 

Does anyone think that the band will officially announce the tour dates, or simply leave fans to find out by localised production?

I still find it bizarre they haven't at least updated gnronline.com with the tour dates

yeah it`s weird. they announced the 2002 us tour with a press release, but we found out about the european dates from the ticket sites...

Maybe they are holding off until all of the dates are confirmed. I thought Sanctuary might have said something too.

you honestly beleive there were these technical issues at donnington ?Metallica didn't have to stop their show. It's shame that axl? always have some type of issue at any gig he plays weather it being late ranting, stoping the song in the middle , the list goes on and on , the american people won't put up with that again , I hope he has his shit together when he decides to jump to playing american arenas

yeah - I do - coz I was there.  Were you???  They were having issues, the stage was too wet and getting dangerous, some of the sound was weird.  They deserve massive credit for this gig especially because they didnt just storm off and sulk - they came back on and kicked some serious ass.  The last 6 songs or so were blinding and Axl didnt want to leave either.

its hardly GnR's fault if there are sound problems - at least they try and sort them out, rather than letting a crowd listen to a substandard gig and not giving a damn.  I know that it takes time getting these things sorterd out, but its not like Axl's ever been any different!
metallica are a different machine.

As babydolls said, were you there?  ::)

Where I was standing, the sound was really fucked up at the start of the set.

It got better towards the end.



/jarmo

i have to disagree there

the last 10 songs were blinding Basically November Rain onwards  :P

and i would class falling on your ass a techinical difficulty just as much as a mic failing to work  :peace:

Back to the topic at hand...does anyone have any concept of how much longer we're going to have to wait for a full tour schedule...?  I mean, are we talking hours, days, weeks?  I am totally tweaking about going away this weekend and not having internet access bc what if they post the dates in the 3 hours that I am nowhere near a computer???    :nervous:

I think they'll just keep tacking on dates, even when they start the tour.

It's possible. That's what happened here in Europe.


It'll be interesting to see where they head after the KROQ show.



/jarmo

i officially got my ticket for the 21st at the warfield in SF today. i'm gonna be alone (it was too expensive to buy more than one), so i hope some HTGTHers befriend me there!

They need to come to Chicago!  We need some GN'R here in the midwest too!  I'm sick of flying all over the place!  Midwest, Axl!  Midwest!

Some of the same bands at the Kroq thing. maybe gnr might show? Anyone else think its possible?

ALICE IN CHAINS, STONE SOUR and AVENGED SEVENFOLD are among the confirmed bands for BuzzFest XVIII, set to take place Sunday, October 8 at the Woodlands Pavilion in Houston, Texas. The festival billing is shaping up as follows:

Main Stage:

ALICE IN CHAINS
STONE SOUR
BREAKING BENJAMIN
AVENGED SEVENFOLD
EVERCLEAR
CROSSFADE
HURT

Side Stage:

EVANS BLUE
LOSTPROPHETS
THE PANIC CHANNEL
RED JUMPSUIT APPARATUS
OK GO
EIGHTEEN VISIONS
BOYS LIKE GIRLS

Tickets go on sale Saturday, August 26 at 10:00 a.m. through Ticketmaster or LiveNation.com.

I agree.

I have to fly all the way to Vegas from Wisconsin to see GnR now..but I know it'll be worth it  :peace:

I;m flying from Chicago and was thinking that they've done small warm up shows on the east coast and west coast now. (Of whch I will end up flying to both) Is it possible that they will do one near the midwest? Or maybe, as some have suggested sprinkle some smaller shows in with the arnea shows. I'm hoping that I don't end up feeling like I just should have waited if a small show would pop up close by be within driving distance. But I would think that as long as the large North American tour starts up sometime after Inland Invasion that there won't be anymore small arena shows.

They need to come to San Jose! :)

Woah!  That line-up is WEAK!  They need a headliner.  I would say there's a good chance of GN'R being there!

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