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What about his drums playing? Probably the best drummer the band ever had (Time will tell, especially ChiDem). I can hear some John Bonham in that guy. For those who saw the new GN'R, what did you think of his drums playing? I heard he sounds GREAT Live, powerfull and groovy.

Brain rocks. 8)

I think it's just his humour with the money thing :hihi:


As for his groove, fuck yeah! I can't wait to hear his contrib. to CD

Now within a 2 year span your perception of him has changed. Why? You came to the conclusion that you beleive he's a good drummer?

my fav drummer in the world, can't wait to hear his contributions to CD!
I don't think he's very similar to Bonham though..

It hasnt even been a 2 year span, I can remember this past Summer, nesquick was bitching that brain was only in it for the money  ::)

Has to be said, it's hard to tell how Brain said those things. He could have said it point blank, or he could have said it in a funny way. Without any other info avaliable, i guess the Fortus e-mail was all he needed to hear?

this past summer? wrong. at least I don't bitch the old band members like in your (shitty) website. Your website has a very bad reputation. It's the old band members official bashing website and message board. None of the old fans wants to post there. This is a shame. I've heard MANY complains and negative feedbacks from your website/message board, because when people say they like Slash, immediatly they get insulted, even by moderators. It's like "what??? you say you like Slash? go away!". Your website, where nobody wants to come, doesn't even mention the 87-93 erea, there is no historic, no mention of Slash, Duff or anything before 2001.
Let me tell you something: Guns N' Roses didn't start in 2001.?

Anyway, Brain is great.

there`s no need to attack chinese blues. i don`t think that he hates the old members.... i don`t want to take sides with anyone here, but i think you really bitched about brain some months ago... and this thread is about brain and not about thenewguns.com ....

nesquick , you always attack oher people.
"you're a terrorist "    " your website is bad "    " your mom doesnt know how to cook"    please chill out, you're so defensive.

i dont like brain btw. his jokes are old. and he has like 2.

warose, it's been a long long time that chineseblues talks trash about me...personal trash...I never reacted, but the guy still continues, well now I consider that's enough. I'm NOT the first guy to have problems with him or more generally with the point of vue of his website (they even talked about seeing Slash dead and spitting him on his face etc...his website is silly). i have heard and read many complains on mygnr or sp1at about his website (or rather message board). many people complaining about how they were treated bad because they were old fans, because they appreciated Slash and the old band. Old fans are not welcome at thenewguns.com. Now look at this thread, I try to be positive, and this looser comes and talks trash about me. Do you know who he is? a 19 years old spotty nu-metal teenager who thinks he knows the band better than old fans like me (I follow the band since 1991). The guy has no respect. No respect for the old band members, and no respect for the old fans.

Wat-ever: PM

Enough.

You complain about other people posting negative comments about Slash while you yourself haven't exactly been supportive of Robin Finck (for example).




/jarmo

You forgot a point: I don't verbally attack people when they like Robin Finck.
You're unfortunately not aware of 50% of the story. Anyway, continue this topic without me. Cause I don't want to have trouble or anything like that.

EDIT: I received your PM. Everything is fine now.

i don't feel he is in it for the money but I'm sure the extra fame with the gnr name is insentive.. Either way gnr has changed so much that as long as they put cd out I don't care why they are there..

He has yet to convince me that his heart is in this band and music. Until then, his smartass comments are just that: smartass comments. And they don't do the band or the fans any service.


He might be up there with Simon Phillips technically. But that's about it. I don't know much about drumming, but I have ears to hear and a heart to feel and from my perception I can tell you Bonham was a whole other league, comparing Brain with Bonzo is like comparing Buckethead to Jimi Hendrix. I've heard some of Mantia's work outside of GN'R and I was not impressed, nothing special or exceptional enough to compare him with the greatest drummer ever.

And I think the best drummer the band ever had was Steven Adler.

I'm willing to cut Mantia some slack though, but I could live without his stupid "jokes".

Brain is a cool guy - I saw the current lineup twice and he was enjoyable both times - lacks the power matt had, though. But him, Richard, and tommy form a nice rhythm together.

brain seems cool, and he has been there for trhe long haul.. probably dealt with some flack from BH to leave.. Shows he is interested.. Good for him.. have no real personal feelings for the guy but enjoyed seeing him live at msg.. Good for him, hopefully his and all their patience pay off..

nesquick.. you are a very confusing guy.. next thing you know jameslofton29 will be 'hopeful' of Chinese Democracy being released and Axl doing a long tour  :hihi:

You took the words right out of my mouth! :hihi: :beer:

I kinda see what you're saying here, but I don't completely agree.
comparing Buckethead to Hendrix is wrong, but on a technical level, Buckethead is lighyears ahead of what Hendrix ever was. but Hendrix was the one that made that whole way of "virtuoso" playing relevant.
and I would say about the same thing regarding Brain and Bonham.
IMO, as a drummer, Brain is better technically than Bonham was.

you should check out some of the Primus stuff he played on like The Antipop, Laquer Head and maybe Greet The Sacret Cow. you might not like the music, but the it would give you an idea of what he's like as a creative drummer.

now like with Hendrix and Bucket, Bonham and Brain has pretty different styles really.

and btw, Steven Adler is and will probably always be my fav GNR drummer even though Brain is my fav drummer overall.

Jesus Christ, are Saul and I the only GNR fans that actually know what sarcasm is? 

This has been beaten to death.  He is joking about the money thing.  Obviously many people think that they're all in it for that, so rather than try to combat the issue he just goes along with it.  Some people find it funny, others don't and that's fine.  I particularily like it and so does Fortus. 

I think Axl is a smart man and would recognize if someone was in this project just for the money. 


If at recording sessions all of a sudden Brain was playing the drums like this then I think Axl would get the hint:

boom..tap..boom boom..tap..hey let's get this record out asap...boom boom tap..i want 37% of the writing credits on catcher in the rye..tap..boom..tap...how come pittman gets 12.8% credit on Seven..he's not even plugged in..boom..tap..boom boom tap crash!

True, but Hendrix and Bonham were NATURAL players, Brain and Buckethead are not. It's mental craze vs. cold profession.

Brain, well, he's a drummer...? And when it comes to drummers for me there are drummers and there was Bonzo - if you know what I mean. I just don't agree with the comparism nesquick made, it's an insult to Bonham.


I thought so too for a minute or so, but seriously, pop in Ladyland and pay close attention to the right channel. Mute the left and just crank up the right on "Come On" and "Gypsy Eyes". I play guitar myself and I really look up to Buckethead, he's amazing, an inspiration, but this guy is not even in the same building as Hendrix. I doubt anyone will ever be. Anyway, I just made that comparism to show how unsuitable it is to compare Brain to Bonham.


 :beer:

My brother played me some of 'The Brown Album' (Primus) recently. From memory, there were some beats on that that were very reminiscent of John Bonham, although naturally because the music is so different to Led Zep not many people might recognise this.

I personally am really looking forward to his contribution on CD - more so than I would if Sorum was still in the band...his drumming is too predictable now.

>:(  Pardon me?!! Saul?  :confused:

Actually Many of us got his joke. Maybe it's something to do with the cultural traits?

Some people are quick off the mark, some are slow but still better than those who won't appreciate anything new until it's been long established as firm as a rock and never to roll again. Brain rocks and rolls at present.

That's that.

well that album was produced in a very Zeppelin-ish way really.
you should check out the Antipop album, I don't think you'll find many similarities between Brain and Bonzo after hearing that one.

I hear ya Conny, Hendrix and Bonzo were natural players, and Brain and Bucket are somewhat schooled in what they do, and they have a cleaner technique because of it!
so I guess we agree here in a way, lol.

ok, so it seems i'm not the only one to find he has a very led zeppelinish drums playing. :peace:

Id like to hear Josh Freese personally cos I liked his drumming on Chris Cornells album (also APC)

I dont really know Brains drumming, it's got to be better than old "lead-foot" Sorum. Sometimes he plays with groove, (Locomotive) but too often he strangles the feel I reckon

Adler was the man for GNR

Brain's cool. :beer:
He's a mad drummer and he seems like a funny dude, MSG's cool when he plays Zep's Rn'R n' has a laugh :hihi:


whats he doin' at the London show, when Axl inroduces him, looks like he's gargling water or somethin'?????

I guess everyone, except jimmythegent, is forgetting Josh Freese.

Josh is probably the best session and live drummer drummer there is nowadays.
Just listen to the drums in Oh My God.

Freese rocks my socks off, eventhough I think Brain is cool.

i agree with you on Freese! Love his work in A Perfect Circle, but i guess he wont be on Chinese Democracy..
Brain is also a great drummer! Can hear it on the live recordings from 2002

Freese is better, Brain is the 2nd best GNR drummer so far IMO.....with Matt 'no groove, no style" Sorum being the worst by a long way.

GNR need someone who does that punk rolling drum style and is excellent at percussion. Not anyone too technical or overly bombastic.

Yeah but I prefer the drums in the RIR version of Oh My God. talk about the groove!

How was Brain at the shows? did he impress you?

I have seen him live with Gnr and with Bucket. I saw the old band 7 times. Brain is easily the best drummer Gnr has had. Good combo of rhythm and power. He is a cross between Adler and Sorum. Just my opinion. :peace:

Much as I like to heap praise on the members of GnR, drummers are all fairly similar to me unless they have loads of personality like say, Keith Moon.

I agree Brain is very good and is the best GN'R ever had (in my opinion).

I still think Tool's drummer is better though. I need to hear Brain on the album though to compare in all fairness. But that's gonna be pretty tough to "beat" Danny...(listen to Vicarious from Tool's latest album if you don't see what I mean).

I must add to my last comment though, that Brain is doing a great job with the old songs and I think he shows himself well in songs like Madagascar.

Still though, my favourite GnR drummer so far has been Adler. Dude's drumming just sounds cool.

Will, I didn't say he is as good as Carey ;D...no way...but he is better than Sorum and Adler, at least in a live setting. Now, we will obviuosly have to wait for the record (not the leaked tracks) to determine his value in the studio.

What kind of Brain's joke are you guys reffering to ? I've never read about that ... Thankx !

I think they are refering to (sketchy on the details here so dont quote me) an email interview HTGTH conducted with him a few years ago. When asked if he'd still tour with GnR he replied "only if they pay me a bucket-load of money" or something.

I didn't say you said it either. ;D ;)

I think Brain jokingly said in an interview a while back too that he was in GN'R for the money, or something like that. Some people thought he was serious. lol

Okay, thankx guys : ok:

I'm going after those interviews, never read them :P

Alright but I will ask this. Is Brain as good as the drummer for Tool? Because "amazing" is exactly my words when I heard the drums in 10,000 days. Brain is good. He is easily better then Adler and Matt . But is he as good as the drummer for Tool. Let's be honest hear. Oh, and I await the "Well, he is a different kind of drummer..." ?::)

Brain is quite good but not nearly as good as him. Danny Carey is the best drummer that I know.

"I gotta get paid." I think it was sp1at who did the interview. And saul did one as well.

As he states otherwise in serious long interviews for magazines, he was just chaffing.
You know the people who call the members "hired" guns.

I love brain,  he has even improved since the last tour and I thought he was very solid and impressive in NY shows.. I think he will really get a chance to shine on the album and I think he is the best drummer for Guns.

Danny Carrey is probably the ?best drummer in rock or 2nd best (next to Neil Pert). The ?best drummer gnr ever had was Josh Freese. ?But Brain is the best drummer that will be on a gnr album. ?If you ever caught a live tool show and see Dannys drum solo, its jaw dropping and its not boring like sorums were. ?Brain is a great drummer but he is a step below Carrey or Pert.

Whatever, I think brain is cut out for GNR more than those drummers.

He's quite a character. Besides the groove and power in his drumming, he's got looks, a sick sense of humour and diligence.

I like brain's older stuff but nothing he has done with guns seems to wow me. he always seems so low in the mix to matter, even live i don't recall a single moment of brain at NYC but i do of every other member but pitman.

what is it with GNR drummers being compared to John fk'n Bonham, i really dont hear John in Brain at all!! :no:

Brain is an excellent drummer and I can't wait to hear his contributions to Chinese Democracy. ?:drool: I also think he is right up there with Josh Freese.
btw: Danny Carey is indeed an amazing drummer.

Its bc John is like the opus of all rock n roll drummers.  He's basically the benchmark.

I love Soundgarden era Matt Cameron, Bonham (an easy pick) and Dave Abburuzze. Those are the kind of drums Id like to hear on CD. Is Brain a better drummer than Matt Sorum (who is technically superb). Im not so sure?

Brain was an awesome drummer when he was in Primus, I loved him, I thought he was one of the best drummers in the world, I also liked his work with bucket on monsters and robots....but with what I've heard he's done with GNR, it aint nothing compared to the brain of old...of course we won't really know what he's really done till the albums out and heard some studio work from him. But based on his work in Primus alone, he is one hell of a drummer. :smoking:

I wouldn't say Brain is an amazing drummer,I mean he plays well,but there are other drummers that are alot better than he is,but I'm a GN'R fan anyway and the drums are an important part of the band  :beer:

Brain seems fine for this version of GNR, I'm not sure a hard hitting Grohl-esque type would fit the material.

Deez Nutz :rofl:
I like sarcasm. I like Brain, I like Saul. I don't like threads that turn to shit like this one (on page 1).

Brain was on FIRE May 12th when I was at the Hammerstein Ballroom...no doubts at all.

He was playing those songs like Axl had a gun to his head screaming: "Play motherfucker! PLAY!!!" :hihi:

What I dont get is, if Brain is the most talented and precise drummer Gn'R has ever had, why is his parts on the new songs we've heard so far so simplistic its almost funny...

I guess Im just waiting to hear some trade mark fills, or maybe Checkmate to change my impression of his parts on the new songs...

Checkmate sure sounds like it has drums in it... ;)

jeeze! next thing you know people are going to start complaining about brain's sexual orientation (gay)  ::)
chill....

i think that he likes simple beats..
some of his drumming with primus is very simple..
but are very good..
you dont have to beat the shit out of the toms and use a double pedal to drum solidly

I just watched Patience form RIR2006 and was impressed with Brain on the last part. Really cool

thats true, with all thats going on (keyboards etc..)

thoughts on a an Abburruzze type then? He had a lot of finnesse

From what I've heard and seen Brain is definitely a drummer in the right direction.

I've never liked Matt and his stiff style of drumming(the same fil over and over again, u know the one i mean *laugh*).

Even if Steven is the least techically drummer of those three you just can't beat his groove and timing!!!!!!!

Never said he had to beat the shit out of his kit to qualify as a solid drummer, Im just surprised after a pretty damn impressive 2 and a half minute drum solo at Rio, his parts in the new songs might be a little more challenging then what we've seen thus far... :-\

One mor thing:

I've noticed that Brain uses headphones pretty much all the time. It also sounds like he's playing to a "click" which I think suck big time!!!!

Does anyone know more about this?

yeah i know what you mean..

I think the headphones are just monitors and ear protection.  He never used them with Giant Robot, Primus, or CCBBB when I saw him.  His timing is spot on and Les frequently refers to him as a human drum machine so I can see where you think he might be cheating but he is just that precise.

Having seen Brain at close quarters last night, in my mind he is the best drummer the band have ever had. :yes:

i thought brain was great last night, an excellent perfromance. one question though, why is it that before velvet revolver, no one thought about giving matt some serious stick? is everyone sop shallow here, that they feel they must berate someone in another band,because they see them as a threat to something they love?????

just a thought y'know, i don't have any prefernce, i think they are both great, just don't see why matt gets so much stick?

your the only person i have seen on this board stick up for an old band member, (i think), including me.
i don't think its oimpossible to like VR, Old gnr, new gnr is it ;D

I've just watched "nightrain" from Rock am Ring and Brain fucking rules on drums...DAWN!! :o
The dude is SICK on that tune! I hope we will hear this kind of drumming on the album. he is the spiritual son of Abe Laboriel Jr (probably the best drummer in the world) ;D

Honnestly, I'm completely blown away right now. This guy NEEDS his own appreciation topic. What about this one? :P

and that is something we didn't know  :P ... j/k... I am glad you are blown away finally. listen also to KOHD or end of Patience ;).

Wasn't Frank the best drummer in the world last month in your opinion? :hihi:

He's one talented mofo.

Almost as good to watch as Robin Finck.

BUT I wouldn't mind seeing him spread the love to Frank Ferrer. There is no reason at all why the band can't have 2 drummers.

Yea I know, he rocked in that, and he still rocks today! Of course he's going to be drumming like that in the album, I was at the May 15th show, and man can that guy play the damn drums. He is simply amazing, well at least for what he does. He brings a spark to the band that can't be matched.


Glad I could help ?:beer:

I love his drumming.  I don't think any of the newer tunes we've heard particularly highlight his talent either. I think we're gonna hear some amazing work on the album.

NO WAY.. I TOTALLY DISAGREE ON THAT. only my opinion but he really is a bad player, he sucks.
he fucks so much songs intros.

Listen to the drums at the end of Catcher in the Rye...some lurvely fills going on there.

Brain is quality. He doesn't fuck up the intros...they aint that difficult...he just plays them differently

Josh Freese plays the drums on CITR.  : ok:

Especially YCBM

Brain is more of a demuir drummer.

Really? How can you tell?

On the '99 session demos it's likely that he plays them, he was a member then if I remember well...

judging fromthe rock am ring broadcast and some of his work outside of guns...

he's great technically, no doubt. But he hasn't got the rock 'n' roll groove at all, for me brain is the worst part of the band, he plays so "stiff"...he fits perfectly with something like Primus, he's great with Bucket on his kinda stuff, but totally wrong for a rock 'n' roll band.

That's right.

i ve seen Brain and Franck ferrer live this year with GNR.

franck is really fuckin better than brain ... at the Paris Gig i didnt even seen brain... this ;an is a ghost on stage and he doesnt plays like a god he is just doing his job. Franc seems to enjoy playing with GNR he is a great performer ... maybe not as good as brain but he fits gnr perfectly.

he fits GNR perfectly. Brain is really good but not for GNR. He seems to play like a Jazzman not a rocker.

I agree. In no way is Brain like Bonham.

I FOUND: Brain sounds like the Queen drummer (Roger tyler). Their drums sound are pretty close judging by the Rock am Ring mix of the drums. :yes:

Don't really agree with that 'cause in my opinion roger tAylor? ;)? ,has got a better flow while playing the drums while Brain's just pounding the shit out of them hehe :)