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Im not trying to start a VR vs GNR thread, but with GNR apparently ready to tour in the US can VR have a successful tour as well.  Im not saying VR is going to tour the same exact time, but sometime in the future they will be touring simultaneously and what I want to know is will that help or hurt either band for attendence numbers?  I would personally like to see them tour together, then for an encore have the original line up play PC, but idk how realistic that is.

THE MEDIA will probably try to develop some sort of "rivalry" between the two bands if they both have CDs and tours at the same time.  The bands themselves won't care... If anything, the hype surrounding the two bands trying to be #1 in the rock world will help both of them.

In other words, yes, they can tour at the same time and I would love to see both bands within a span of a couple of months.   : ok:

Touring together is a stupid idea, just like the "Sammy Hagar/David Lee Roth" tour.

of course they can tour at the same time, i think people would be pumped up about seeing both bands around the same time, im pretty sure theyl never tour together but at the same definatley, theres no reason why not to and i think fans of both would be happy to pay and see both bands

Touring simultaneously would have no effect on attendence numbers. The topic would have been useful if you suggested a reason why one band would harm another, coz I can't think of any. Kinda reminds me of that topic suggesting Chinese Democracy would kill off VR. Rediculous!

The only reason I can think is if someone only has enough money for one ticket, but i don't think they would be playing the same cities at the same time, so I can't imagine any problem there. If anything it would increase sales for each show. If someone goes to one band and likes it, they are more likely to want to go to the other band. Most people I know who went to the recent GnR gig in Dublin also went to Velvet Revolver a year ago. Ok, they weren't, touring the same time but the point is most people who are fans of one of the bands would be a fan of the other.

They certainly won't tour together, but maybe they'll play some of the same festivals (on different days!) in which case people who mightn't want to pay full festival price for just GnR or VR, are more likely to pay if both bands play. Therefore more ticket sales.

yeah i think they could definatly tour at the same time. and if the media tries to compare them i think it will only be good for each band. they will want to go out their and prove they are the best and put on kick ass shows every night. i think it would be great if i could see vr and gnr in the same month.

I would see either if both were playing ot me the same time means squat

Maybe if they played in the same city on the same night but that's about it. 

No promotor in their right mind would ever let that happen anyway...

Err ... yeah. It will only help ticket sales for both.

They can both tour but I really think this GN'R hype will kill some (not all) interest in VR off a little.

How would the GNR hype kill the VR hype? Theyll totally bounce off each other. Be like this "Axl and mates VS the real GNR" and "war of the ex-bandmates" publicity craze. If they were touring around the same place all the articles on either band would mention the other.

I just think that VR came at the right time when there was NO GN'R activity at all. Look at the recent gig VR did... I sensed a lot less interest.. updates etc. in that. Just my opinion.. you never know how it will work out..

 :peace: GnR & VR playing and touring at the same time with Izzy Stradlin making guest appearances with both bands. This would be fuckin' awesome, it'd only be a matter of time before someone else decided to do a guest appearance. Imagine Duff kicking off the bass line to It's So Easy and all of a sudden Axl makes a guest appearance with VR. That'd be fuckin' amazing and also it would be kind of funny cos we'd have all of GnR under the VR name. I could imagine something like that happening with these guys cos they are a bunch of piss takers and this is rock and fuckin roll afterall!!!! :drool:

uuuuuuugh..It?s so easy sounded like shit during the illusion ERA...Let?s say they?ll play Live and let die or Estranged instead :D

VR's new gigs weren't about anything but goin' out of the studio, so the less press didn't surprise me. Since VR's not a household name yet, they have to work hard to succeed: the second album will decide on their future. With GN'R things are different: the brand is so huge that if Axl ain't release CD in the next decade, he still can do sold-out tours in Europe since people want to hear Jungle, SCOM, PC etc. BTW the second Slashless GN'R album will decide on Nu-GN'R's future as well, considering that Axl has the balls to move on and play the new material instead of the 20-year old tribute set. Then he'll be judged.

This thread is simply about whether VR can still tour with GN'R touring, so I'll avoid this turning into an ugly thread which I can see happening already.

We'll soon see.. all I'm saying is that my opinion is that a little bit of interest will be lost in VR now that GN'R are active again.. although we'll soon see. They'll continue to have a string fan base and tour successfully, that's for sure.

Would've it really mattered for VR if "Contraband" came out during Guns 2002 tour? I don't think so.
I think you have your "sensors" pointed a bit too much to Axl's direction.

2002 maybe not, but im sensing things are different now.

As I said.. I still think VR will be successful and do well but GN'R will take away that little bit of buzz. I'm not making it a GN'R vs VR thing.. like the bait was thrown out for earlier.. it isn't about that. Just stating my opinion which is what the topic is for. VR will continue to be successful, I don't doubt.

if they do, I think it'll help sales of both bands. cos most people will want to go check out both bands and compare and shit.
so I don't doubt the record companies have this in mind right now.

Anyone who grew up as a GNR fan will always have an affection for the original members and be VR fans as well as Axl fans so it'll make no difference if both bands play at the same time or release material at the same time. Real fans will always show an interest. I reckon every member of this forum will be excited about the release of both bands' albums and will buy them. Only difference is Axl still has the GnR name so he might get a few more album sales cos some people who know some of their music but aren't big fans will buy Chinese Democracy. Roger Waters from Pink Floyd had a bit of difficulty when he first left the band because people didn't know the name and his gigs didn't attract the huge crowds. But he was still such a huge part of the Floyd

VR and GNR touring at same time.. truely a dream come true.  if i can see both my purpose in life will be fulfilled  :drool:

ha ha, if they played the same venue when vr was on they'd scream for axl ,when new gnr was on they'd yell for the real band..

Of course they can tour at the same time. Chanes are VR, GN'R and Army of Anyone will all tour at the same time at some point.

But it did for gnr back in 02

 
Im gonna take a wild guess here but Im willing to wager that a lot more people know who Slash, Duff,weiland,sorum are than Fortus, Finck,Brain, etc....

give me a break. Every rock fan knows and are aware of the palyers in VR. As every good rock fan knows that GNr doesnt consist of old gnr.




So your saying that GNr cant sell out a show based on any new album? Time will tell on that. But I hate to tell you that Im pretty sure GNr will play some old hits along with the CD album when its released. So for a fan like myself, I will get some old gems and new gems all at one show.


 Oh sop now we have to wait till the 2nd album to give this band credit{if they earn it}...thats interesting. So if CD had 3-5 radio singles, sells a shitload of albums and they do well in tour sales that wont be enough. Interesting.

I hope you have said the same thing for VR. WIth Slither and the cross over hit FTP im sure VR wont have a problem selling out arenas next time around ::)...But your right who the hell is in that band anyways....give me a break

VR had the fastest selling rock album in the US, thats some credit

There was less interest in the VR shows because they weren't promoting a new album......it was the same set-list.....the only reason why there's the interest in the GnR tour is because Axl is the Howard Hughes of the music industry, and the media wanted to see if he imploded.....and gnr is playing basically the same set list as they did in 2002....except for better and IRS

well as of right now new gnr's success has zero to do with new music or new members, the gnr name and axl are selling out the venues plus the love for all the old material.. At least if a name change had happened this all could be judged on the new band's talent.. How could anyone not like these shows ,ten afd songs ,izzy baz november rain ,few new tunes in there.. We all know the band could change any member each day of the tour and the sales would be the same..

It was called Chinese Democracy World Tour. Axl later made up that 'we just wanted to get out of the studio', but if you read the earlier interviews, you'll see their plan was touring around the world and 'putting the finishing touches' on the album.


Not really. Or maybe the hardcore 'rock fans' are aware, but GN'R's fan base consisted (and maybe still consist) a lot of softcore fans, pop fans etc., who don't pay too much attention. I guess that at least 50% of those who go to a Rolling Stones concert don't know that they have a black bassist. VR is very far from the classic GN'R's popularity and reputation.



I agree, those guys who play under the GN'R name today or later, must play some of the old hits. But not almost the whole AFD, for God's sake.

Also agree that time will tell if the Nu-material is strong enough to attract people, but I'm 1000000% sure that if Axl had dropped two new albums in the last two years and had decided to leave out the classic songs, he would have played in front of 2,000-3,000 guys every evening.


Newsflash: the Nu-GN'R album will sell millions. Shitload of millions. People will buy it without even hearing the songs before. The success of the singles will matter much more: it'll show the popularity of the current music and line-up. But hell, he's been making this album for years (not to go into the decade long debate seems Axl supporters always act like he'd have start the work yesterday), he should have enough quality material (I mean A+) for one album. And even if he doesn't have that, the long wait, the mystery, the hype and of course _the_name_ will sell millions. When the second album comes out, people will have a better knowledge of what Nu-GN'R is.

I said in my previous post that the second album will decide on VR's future and since a lot of people bought the ex-GN'R members' album, they may not buy the second Velvet Revolver album since it's not classic GN'R. The album has to be strong enough to sell well.

(BTW quality is not quantity and as I mentioned earlier: big sales make me happy some way, but the most important thing is that I like the music or not. CD or Libertad could sell only 23 copies, if I love it, I'll say it's a great record.)

Yes, it was called that and who the fuck knows why. Listen to what Axl says at the Vmas to Loder. Its all right there. I honestly dont think they were gonna release the album until sometime in spring of 03. After the first leg of the US tour. But as we all know Bucket left, so Im sure that delayed a lot of things.

I honestly think Axls plans were to first get out with the band and jam out the old stuff and gel in a live setting. Which was a smart thing to do because this time around it runs a lot smoother.

I agree. I didnt mind it back in 02 or even this PAST tour. BUT if they continue with this setlist on the upcoming NA tour, its really lame. Id be the first to tell you.

They need to release the fukin album. When they do that they can slowly break in the album on the tour with the old hits. Thats fine. And then eventually go to a CD set with just some old stuff and random old stuff which would make for the ultimate gnr show.

I agree and disagree. Of course Axl has a big advantage in terms of keeping the GNr name. Mostly from the business side of things. but with that being said, alot of you people dont realize that Axl is, was, and always will be the driving force of GNR. We've all gone thru this before but he has shown that he can pull off a fairly successful tour without it being the original band. Axl is not just a rock legend, he is a mythic figure. thats what separates him from Slash and most other frontmen.

This argument will end IF/WHEN this band releases the album, tours on that album and its a success. Which means they release another album and tour under CD and the 2nd album with old stuff thrown in. Thats when it will be fully confirmed that he can pull it off without having the old members. And im obiviously of the opinion he can certainly pull it off

If they do all that then no1 can say that people come out to see gnr because they dont know its not the original, because of just the old hits and because its "trendy". If what I just mentioned happens then this band and Axl deserve its respect from the haters.

I agree and have always said that. For new GNr to work and show that he doesnt need the old members the MUSIC  needs to do the talking. And with songs like Better,TwaT and Cathcer not to mention all the others I love they surely have it in them to make great modern music.

The ball has and always will be in Axls hands. Its time for him to make a move

And that goes for the old members as well

difference is if the old members left during the tour people would be yelling for them as they did for izzy (caling  gilby izzy) if the new members left each time no one would care.. people still speak of slash, happened at every hammerstein show, happened in england.. That's with a long time of healing.. Regardless the old members helped create this, they were vitale, on the other hand the new members are simply riding the gravy train of the past.. So old members werw with gnr when tehy were nothing, new gnr is with gnr after the fact when the band was 90 million albums out.. I mean come on, robin tommy have been in axl's band since 97-98, no one even knows who they are, plus they are playing huge venues without any work.. Clearly shows the real gnr that was super famous and who's songs you hear on the radio everyday are the reason these guys are getting anyone in the seats..

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Wow, we finally agree in a lot of things!? :o? ? ;D

But some points I still disagree with:


Axl even told the month of the release in 2001. When the 'CD World Tour' kicked off in 2002 he said in his official press release/interview that it was the right time to 'wrap up the baby' or something like that and that even the song selection was done. Some of you always mention that Loader interview: I guess when Axl said that 'I don't know if soon is the word', az early 2003 release was the laters he thought of.

And BH left in 2004.


Axl wasn't the only driving force of GN'R although he was one of the driving forces of the band. It turns out of the old interviews, that Axl and Izzy were the ones who didn't like to work hard while Slash, Duff and even poor drugged-up Steven worked their ass off. Unfortunately Axl proved in the last 10+ years what he can do without the other guys (Slash, Izzy, Duff).

Saying that Slash wouldn't be a mythical figure of rock music is simply denying the truth. Axl is a myth. Slash is a myth. GN'R was(?) a myth.?


As far as I remember when Axl wasn't able to sing Paradise City and they got Baz, people still liked the performance. So even Axl is replacable?? :nervous:? No. Same goes for Slash, Duff and Izzy.

I've finished my offtopic rant.? :-X

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Axl's tour will have absolutely no effect on whether or not VR can tour.... Why would it?

that might be the 1st time in a span of 3-4 yrs..... :beer:

Back to the topic: of course they can tour simultaneously, and I hope they do. Just not back to back on successive nights. otherwise it is a fan's dream.

jepp

Can VR tour while GNR is touring?

yes

Both bands will do nothing but help each other in the media due to the GNR VS VR spin.

i was kinda wondering that, but i doubt vr will be touring soon...something is up with them...no album in 3 years...there is more then just waiting for rick rubin....not to hate on them...but...its weird

Contraband was released in June, 2004. That's not 3 years. Something happened in the VR camp for sure, but it seems like they sorted out the problems and are working on their second album.  : ok:

I really don't see a vs thing going on. Both bands are so different (to each other). Gn'R doesn't need spin from VR. VR needs spin from Gn'R. Its a one way thing.

Umm... No?
Can't you see Guns are selling out almost every show. ie. Madison Square Garden.
There isn't really any arenas left for Velvet Revolver to have concerts.

IMO, theres as much slash fans as axl... I dont see either one effecting the other...

why not it would be good for both bands.

I think it would definitely be great for both bands.  It would make a huge story for the media.  I think if they toured together, it would be huge.

of course both bands can tour, what is one going to hide while the pther tours? :hihi: