Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just imagine for a second, that you left the country and went to travel Europe or away to school etc., and weren't able to log onto HereTodayGoneToHell.com, so you had no real clue of any gnr news...


so from 2002-2005, nothing.


you go away. you come back....


GnR is everywhere, Axl is everywhere...out in public, laughing on stage during their tour, a few more CD tracks were revealed, new guitarist who communicates with fans, and all the other news, all the other GnR stuff that seems to be happening all the time now!!


its amazing how much has happened this year!!!!

STILL no CD in my hands!!!

at the mo anyway!!

 : ok:

true, no DC...but, remember those years of us discussing Axl's sneakers during 1992, and Where's Axl hiding, and the always exciting court cases.....or how about those amazing discussions about if Axl likes Tracii Guns...

those years SUCKED for us...look at what we have now..."TWAT" alone would have been worth it, "Better" alone, would have been worth it....but we got GnR and Axl BACK......for real BACK. and now we have REAL discussions on a real life, alive...BAND.

But no CD...

This year hasn't been all that different from 2002, infact there were probably more news about CD then, then there is now.

When he releases the album then that will be "the year" until then . . . . .

well axl hasn't been in the press as much as he has been this year since the early 90's so that is a good sign :beer:

thats what i mean, we're seeing Axl everywhere....we dont have to wait for an airport security arrest photo. we just wait for tomorrow, and there's more pics, more news, more momentum.....



id say we'll see CD this year. lol.

Well I was at one of those boarding schools where you dont have any contact with the outside world (some of you know what im talking about) from December-April... and when I came back, we had 4 studio demo's... and a tour coming up so I was soo damn excited, because when I left.. everything was quiet.... So its sort of the same...

If you went to travel europe then it was stupid not to go to a GN'R show :hihi:
No just joking, 2006 is a great year but I also want the new album NOW or at least in 2006 that would make 2006 more than great, something like PERFECT :peace:

Looks like you don't remember 2002 too well then.  ::)

Check the setlists. They play songs you didn't know existed in 2002.



/jarmo

izzy playing with the new band, 3 of the leaked songs played live, 2 acoustic shows, new cover songs in london.... just a few huge difference from the 2002 tour. another huge difference, a whole tour with no riots.

Speaking personally, this year has been soooo different from 2002 that it hardly bears comparison.  2002: I saw a version of GNR play live and in my head I knew and accepted that Slash and co had left.  But, the heart is a strange beast and, no matter how I tried (and I really did) I couldn't feel the unadulterated thrill that I had felt when seeing the band in the 90s.  I resigned myself to the fact that things would never be as good as they were back then.

But, as the momentum gathered once more for the 2006 tour, I felt myself being sucked in and started booking shows - anxious to give the band (and myself) one more try.  I ended up seeing 14 shows on this tour and have fallen in love with the band all over again.  I feel now like I did in the late 80s when I heard AFD for the first time and watched all the MTV GNR weekends and just couldn't get enough of the band.  The shows this summer have been out of this world and I know that CD will seal my fate as a GNR junkie now and evermore.  Axl is, quite simply, a musical genius.  : ok:

Who the hell said anythink about setlist  ::) Maybe you should try reading peoples posts better before you respond.

I said we probably had more CD NEWS in 2002. If you add up everythink that happened in 2002 before the cancelled tour and everythink that's happened in 2006 I can't see that much difference. 3 new songs from an album which still doesn't have a release date and guest spots on stage.

A MTV interview with Dizzy&Tommy and a Buckethead interview.
Lots of Music channels covering the tour.
VMAs performance.
Axls interview after the VMAs regarding the album.
Axl interview over the radio.
2001 and planned 2003 tour.
Axl actually mentioning the album on stage.
Axl mentioning up to 3 album on stage and what songs and why they were playign what they were live.

So after all that I thought CD was pretty damn close at the end of 2002 before the tour got cancelled. Now in 2006 I can't really see how much has changed, Axl has said it's coming and he's started a tour, yeah he did that 4 years ago as well. When there is an official CD release date that is when it will be "the year", whether that be 2006,2007 whenever. 2006 has been a major from 2002 in which the band perform but it comes down to a yes or no question for me, does thealbum have an official released date, and you already know the answer. So that's all I'm going to say on the matter because you will probably just give me some sarcastic responce telling me to look at old setlists again.

Since 2001 and the Rock n'Rio Show, all we've really got is 4 new tracks and a 2006 tour where the band are not guaranteed to play the new material, although they persist in playing cover songs like KOHD. Atleast we got one new cover song, Rod Stewards We are Sailing which is something.

What about 'You Gotta Move', 'Light My Fire' (some of it..), 'I feel Good' (again, some), 'Sway', and 'Back in the...Fucking UK' ?

Sebastian hasn't been in Skid Row for a long time - you may as well say GNR's Slash. Izzy is Axl's old friend who is giving him some support - what's the problem there? I think it's a good sign to have this era of Guns endorsed by one of the originals - especially considering that the Axl/Izzy combination was the one that really mattered from the old days, in my opinion. They co-wrote most of the best songs.

One thing that seems to make 2006 different from 2002 is the general attitude around the whole thing. It seems like the whole band has gelled as a unit, and they seem to be having more fun.

no problem with Izzy being there. Like i said, he recieved a very positive responce from the audience.

I didn't know what GNR became of till the end of 2002 and then started to dig the band after I heard CD on the net.
GNR made a maniac fan even when it looked most inactive.
2003-2005
these 3 years - a few months were fruitful for me. I really enjoyed coming here.
I've learned many things about the band and never felt like I'm waiting. I still don't think I ever have waited for CD.
After the announcement of the date, I will.

True words.



Not only the setlists, but the band has changed a lot. And I'm not talking about 1 member only, all of them changed. The band's chemistry is better than never.
Oh, and we have Izzy and Bach.

Yeah, the shows this year are way better than the 2002 ones according to many people who went to both.



/jarmo

Whilst your there don't forget the 'launching pads' and 'hair breadths' and multiple references to '95% done' etc. I also remember an interview where Brain compared CD to Led Zepplin 2...

I was as optomistic back then as I am now...not that I don't think there's more of a chance now that we'll see an album but its hard not be sceptical when you've been waiting soo long  :'(

Yea, it has been good. Still no CD though  :crying:

You don't think there's a reason why they don't talk about it now?

What does it matter if you had more news about the album in 2002? Does it make you happier?

I prefer 2006, the band is better and the shows are better.

When the album is done for release, there'll be news about it.


A lot of people take bits of news and rumors and blow them out of proportion, only to feel let down. I even read about certain people who were complaining that Brian May didn't show up at any of the UK shows. GN'R never said he would, yet people seemed unhappy when it didn't happen!


/jarmo

axl is everywhere, gnr is retired though... It is a good year so far and looking better for axl and his hired guns.. Hopefully we finally get new music we never heard at shows, plus a single and cd.. :beer:

Brain didn't sound very optimistic about the release then. he was like "if it ever comes out".

The biggest difference between 2002 and 2006 is that I'm here this time. :peace: 
Yay, Lucky me, I wasn't too late for the show. The world revolves around me.   :hihi:

But youre forgetting that Axl has lost weight! CD must be close for sure. Why else would he look so fit??!?

(sarcasm)

Axl is singing a lot better in 2006 than 2002, but the band is not as good as it was in 2002, due to the loss of Bucket. I've seen the band in 2002 and 2006, so I know what I'm talking about. Buckethead would put this band over the top right now. The problem you have right now is that you've replaced Bucket, who was the foil to Axl in 2002, with a guy who is a techically good guitar player, but who lacks star power. I think with Bucket the public could have accepted this band as a New GnR, built for the new millenium. My biggest concern now is that the public won't gravitate to Robin as a star, and this band will just be seen as The Axl Rose Band hiding behind the GnR name. If Axl can't get Bucket back for the US tour, here is what he should do. He needs to promote Richard to lead guitar and switch Robin and Bumble to the roles of Lead/Rhythm. Richard has the best mix of technical ability and charsima of the three guitarists, and Axl should promote Richard as the new Slash/Bucket.?

Most of those things you mentioned don't have anything to do with CD news. Seems like the main differences you mention are that the 2002 tour was better covered by large media outlets and that Axl mentioned the album on stage (in fact in the Trunk interview Axl mentioned the three album thing). This time around we have a considerabley larger tour that is going a lot better than our poor doomed 2002 tour. Axl's given a specific time frame of "fall, late fall" instead of "I don't know if soon is the word". We had a lot of crazy speculation about CD back then but now we've got a time frame from the man himself, more songs from the album being played live, Fortus telling us that they were actually listening to final or near final mixes of songs on the tour (a little different from Tommy telling us it was being mixed, something which I don't think he said until 2003).
 ? ? ? ?Maybe the news about CD isn't greater in number of items we were told but I think the news is a little more substantial this time around. I think if you take a look back at what's happened so far this year (leaks, Axl interview, new guitarist, more shows than 2002 and far superior ones, the end of the lawsuit, Axl constantly being out in public, the band really gelling well together and finally, to us anyway, acting like a band) and consider that a US tour is about to start as well you might realize that this year is a little different from 2002, CD news aside. I don't mean to be a dick, but I just don't get why you aren't ridiculously excited. Maybe you don't want to jinx it by getting excited and are waiting until everything is set in stone to finally enjoy it. It's okay, I do that sometimes too.

P.S. Who cares what the public thinks? It's not cool to like a big rock band now and until someone tells the public it is cool they won't no matter how big of a star guitar player they have. Maybe we should let the music do the talking instead of telling the guys to switch so and so to such position so that grumpy, pretentious music critics and 15 year old girls will like them. Just a thought.

Yeah. It doesn't seem like much has changed since 2002, but it doesn't matter. Because it's Axl.

i hope its the year
i have to say though axl looks and sounds much better in my opinion now than 4 years back

The band is much tighter and better than they were in 2002 and Axl is in form again. That's the difference. 



And I hope for one other difference, the promised album.  :-X

2006 is totally different.

Axl dropped the jersey look which the haters bitched about.. his voice is back.. oh which the haters bitched about.. but still they complain!

The 2006 setlist also has new songs unheard in 2002.

The band is much much tighter and sounds much better than 2002.

Axl completed the European tour with no cancellations.

Things are on track  : ok:

gnr fans have been lied on regular basis by the band members incl axl about release of new album since the new gnr came out. in the press release in 2004 about rir cancellation and buckets departure axl said we hope to announce a release date in a few months - 2006? when asked about fall release he said:absolutely. hopefuly he means it this time around. one thing though clock is ticking and he is only getting older.

2004

I dont care that he's getting older.
the problem is that I'm getting old/tiered.

no...  it would go on like it always did...

if you think about it there were no songs played on the 2002 tour that werent heard live before. The Blues, Madagascar, and Chinese Democracy were all played at Rock in Rio in 2001. I think the biggest news about a new CD (besides an actual release date) is hearing songs off that CD played by the band. We got 3 songs played on the 2006 tour that were never played before (Better, There was a Time, and IRS) instead of 0 songs that were never played before on the 2002 tour.