Here Today... Gone To Hell!

When I watch the "pro-shot" videos of the newgnr (especially Rock am Ring), 80% of the time the camera is just on Axl. We see very, very few the other guys in the band. It's really odd. It was not like that with the old band. Watch Tokyo or Paris'92, the camera is as much on Slash as on Axl. You saw Duff quite a lot also, not as much as Axl and Slash but you saw him. But now, the camera is just all about Axl, even during the guitar solos, the camera focus on Axl, that's not very nice for the rest of the band.? ???
In the old days, when Slash was playing a solo, the camera was on him, not on Axl. But now when Robin, Richard or even Ron plays a solo, the camera is not on them... is this a BAND or a solo artist show?

I they release DVD, I hope the new members will have more spots. Watching a newgnr video is like watching just Axl during almost all the show. I like Axl, I've been a GN'R fan since 1991, but come on, it's "too much". I mean... the other guys don't exist or what??? ???

It seems to me that the directors aren't sure when a solo starts which guitarist it is.  The Donnington footage was a good example, during PC Rons ripping through the solo at the end and the cameras are on Robin.

It was easy with the old band because there was only one guy playing the solo's!

yeah it is a shame... i love watchin axl, but it is a band... and i love seeing the other guys running round and enjoying themselves. Fortus and Ron espesh.

it`s quite dissapointing at some parts....  the camera work from rio was much better imo, but we all know that story...

well, i think we just found another reason to bash Axl.... :-X i really cant think what is next.... maybe the chicks prefer axl than the others members??  :hihi:

give this band a break, dont try to find any reason to create a problem...i think Axl has proven how much he loves the new members....

Probably because the people who film it only know Axl and thinks everyone else who watches it does.

I watched WTTJ from rock am ring yesterday and after it I thought "did they play a guitar solo" cause I couldn't really remember actually watching someone play it, because the camera was hardly on the band.

Same with Better during the transaction bit of the song where it goes heavy, instead of showing the band playing it, camera is still on Axl trying to get back up on stage.

It's a shame really because it is too much Axl when the camera work could be more mixed, but I do think one of the problems is you have 3 guitarists which is too many to begin with, but they also all play lead parts so the camera doesn't have a clue who to zoom in on.

it's cos there are so many guitarplayers, that they have no idea who's playing the solos. ;D
in the old days, they knew it was Slash playing the solos.

another thing, Ive heard the audios from RAM, and the guitars are really too low on the solos. they barely stick out. the drums doesn't have a very good mix either. they were mixed a lot better back in the old days.
I wonder why, should think technology like this would be a lot better these days.

Rock Am Ring, Download and Rock In Rio were probably filmed and directed by people who don't follow GN'R.

Axl probably is the only one who they might recognize.


Tokyo and Paris 1992 were GN'R's own shows. Chances are the people working with those had a better idea of what was going on.




/jarmo

Maybe when we get the official DVD from this tour, we'll see a bit more of the other guys.

im not tryna start shit, but were not bashin axl. just the directors... they could have done a better job... admitedly they might not know the band / know whats going on as much as other shows, but if someones playing a guitar solo and its not been shown, it cant be that hard to press the button "camera 13" etc.

the same with RIR 2001, the camera guys are absolutely confused :hihi:

well, I think Axl would be also a lot happier if they wouldnt watch him all the time.

during better at rock am ring when he climbs back up on the stage, he looks funny. kinda embaressing :rofl:

of course, apart from us the crazy fanatics on gnr boards who the hell knows the others.
so i guess 90% of the audience wants to see axl.
plus i agree to say with all the mess on stage & so many guitarists it's so hard for non expert to know who plays the solos... one start others continue it, thats too complicated.
plus the light spot is mostly on axl & thats decided by the gnr crew & prob ppl close to axl (maybe axl directly) so thats easier to follow the light for the cameramen

It has nothing to do with the camera guy.  There are a shitload of cameras filming it.  its who ever went thru all the footage and edited it together.

The clips they show up on the big screen above the stage usually show the player it should be showing.  : ok:

+1

They film it with like 15 cameras in various places. They have edited the footage this way (they obviously wanted to focus mainly on Axl).

I haven't seen it yet (still d/l) but if they still focus on Axl suring the solos - then its poorly edited.

But, I'm not fussy - Its free and the best pro-shot from this line-up. All I care is that the aired the 3 new tunes ...

 :drool:

rock am was very poorly edited. if you watch closely during jungle the same footage was used more than once. the same audience shots and the same shots of axl singing.

Thank you Leddy.  I agree. 
The insinuation that the other guys don't exist is false.  The new band does indeed exist.  :hihi:
 

Agreed.  I'm sure he would've liked that part edited out but I'm thinking the Guns camp only had control of the release of this footage not the editing.....
The official DVD will have plenty of band footage especially Robin and Tommy!

Well wasnt Axl = GNR?? Who else are they gonna film?  :P

loooooooooooooooooooooool

When we get a pro shot of hammerstein it will be much different. Since axl hired people to film the show

when you watch a robbie williams dvd do you see any of his musicians often?
how about jamiroquai?

sorry to say, but until Chinese Democracy hits the shelves, and Robin establishes himself as a major force in Rock n' Roll today....it is just Axl and his backing  band...who are good...but he's the performer...not them.

And the rest of the tour- there were a good few cameras in Hammersmith as well. Also they interviewed us before the show, and came out on stage and filmed the crowd chanting Guns n' Roses while we were waiting.

This really pisses me off; you only need to watch a couple of shows to see who plays what when. A halfway competent director would have the camera on whoever's soloing at any given point, with only a couple of cutaways; it's incredibly annoying when they cut to great sweeping pans of the bloody crowd or shots of Axl dancing when Ron or Robin are in the middle of a solo...

SG

in their defense, TV camera crews film a lot of events all the time...and all they need to do is fill their pre-signed sheet in terms of footage...which they get from the broadcaster....they don't know crap about who gnr is, what has happened in the last 10 years, or who plays what in each song.

that's the job of independent production companies which get hired by someone like sanctuary to do the job.
in this case, it was more of a fact that the TV channel wanted gnr for a slot in their programme, and they sent off a bunch of cameras to get it.

no rehearsal needed, just fucking film the star, and that's it.

It's still much better than anything else we've got on the tour, the sound is awesome and the video's great, even if it is cut far too fast with odd selection of angles. I think it's the best live document of the new lineup that we have, and are likely to have until at least the official DVD comes out. The quality of the dime version now is so much better than the video from Rio or any of the other pro shot videos about.

The Rock am Ring broadcast wasn't edited by GNR - it was edited by the promoters of the show.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Rio3 was great, TV GLOBO is one of the best televisions in the world they did a great job at the show, the Rio Lisbon was ridiculos the robotic camera and they lost  the camera on whoever's soloing at, ?the best footage is from Download IMO, great angles zoom etc.

Rock AM Ring they are too many focus on AXL,was very poorly edited.

cause axl looks good as hell thats why. imo ;D

.maybe it is because Axl is the center of attention being the main man + last remaining member of the (once) most dangerous band in the world..
:beer:

Robbie Williams (the name gives it away thats its most likely a SOLO act.

Guns N' Roses (more of a band sounding thing no?)
Thus you would expect the BAND to be filmed more.


He has proved himself, and the band... theyve been together friggin ages (yes i know they havent released any material) but they have still 'proved' themselfes as a band by playing shows/tours and performing original material.


Hes the performer? Axl? not them? ? ? ? ?Sorry but with out the "backing band" ?::) axl wouldnt be onstage performing... therfore making it a BAND effort.


basically... you shud just get used to the fact that these guys are a band.

I'd really like to comment on this but i cannot, atleast not without mentioning the old band, and to do that could result in a ban, and entering the realms of being boring  :hihi:

I started an thread about drumming and this is what i got: (i did mention the old band too, a sin of sorts)
(how jumped up is he  :hihi:)[/size]

Hopefully the DVD will come with a multi-view function like live football where you can watch only one player during the match.

I'd watch Robin most of the time personally. I think he's the coolest mofo ever and his dancing makes me happy. He's amazing to watch.

They should also record and the off stage action. Axl spends alot of time off stage as well as on it. The footage would show Axl and his Oxygen mask, Axl speaking to the sound guys and Axl doing all sorts  :hihi:

i dont wanna get on the wrong side of you... but people droning on about the old band is boring. and old. you can have an opinion about the new / old band, just stop nailing it into us at every given opertunity... the majority of us are just gettin on with whats now.

Hopefully... there will be a dvd.

I have a Karma: -1 and so do you. What did you do to get your Karma: -1  :)

I like the old band as much as the new band. My topic was about drumming and i mentioned just 1 song that i think was performed best of all by the old band.

hey, hey, stop it. Come back on topic.

I saw your post and you deliberately posted links to songs from the old and new line-up and you were droning on about the old band - thats why your thread got closed.

Don't take it out on other people.  :no:

I second that about RiR3 - the camera work was fantastic and gave all the guys the screen time they deserved (even Pittman got a few shots here and there). "When you do things right, people wont notice youre doing anything at all" - I think thats true about concert filming. If you can feel like youre there and that the concert is rocking then the camera work is bang on. RiR5 just sucked though - every second shot was a long swing past Axl.

I've just finished my d/l and watched a few songs.

IMHO this is total bullshit. Yes the camera is on Axl I'd say 60% of the time. But there are plenty of shots of all the members. Ok not every solo is seen - but you can see the camera switching between the guitars and you DO see close-ups in some solos (which is better than none).

You do see alot of Brain - I saw him at least every 25 or so seconds in some parts.

Remember this is not an official DVD - do not expect full on best editing.

For a TV broadcast this is great, I recommend this to any GNR fan.

 : ok:

Nesquick maybe it's because gnr right now is axl rose.. WHy pan on people nobody knowns

and do you find it normal? I don't.
When I was a kid, Slash was as important as Axl. I loved also Duff, Gilby, Dizzy and Matt also... that was a BAND. and you could see it on TV.
If I want to see a solo act (as you say), I go to see Georges Michael, Bruce Spingsteen or Eric Clapton. At least I know it is a solo act. But here, I think it's hypocrit and not honest to call something a band, and then doing the contrary when the ball is rolling. I want to see interviews with Robin, Tommy, Richard or Brain. Why aren't they allowed to be interviewed? Why the management says "don't do interviews"? I'm sick of that, that's not honnest. At least, not when you claim this is "a band".
Same for the media, I'm sick of reading reviews or articles in the newspapers saying "Axl and his boys", "Axl and his crew", "Axl and his hired mercenaries", "Axl and his employees". A french magazine even did a bad joke after the Paris show... they wrote "Guns N' Rose"... no, i didn't misspell it, read again "Guns N' Rose", not Roses, like to say there's just Axl Rose and the rest of the guys can fuck off. Not very nice!

Something must change, the bandmembers should have more attention, i miss the old days when Slash was EVERYWHERE doing interviews for Guns N' Roses... Robin has been in the band for 10 years, and I haven't read one fucking single interview of him during al these years.... money can buy lots of things, but it can't buy the silence forever. Be honnest. if this is a BAND, don't lie to people and don't act as if it is a solo artist act. Let them doing interviews, don't let them in the shadow about the new record, it's really annoying to hear "I don't know", "I don't have a clue about what's going on" "I've been told nothing" when bandmembers answer to fans questions...

I'm sorry, but the road to be considered as A BAND by the people, the media and the TV (lol) is still long for this new Guns N' Roses.

Axl is far and away the most famous in the band and is the only original member.

There is nothing unusual about all the things you mention - for most people the fact that he is calling this Guns N' Roses is not right

The only way the hired guys are going to get any recognition is if CD is a big, widely accepted hit album

i think the band should get more attention, but they dont have any gnr material of their own out.  and i dont think they want to be known for playing the old songs like the old band.  when/ if CD is released and they tour with CD out, im sure we ll have a better understanding of who is doing what, and the videos then will be more integrated with the current members

nes man I don't want to hear interviews from those guys now.. it'll be how much they love axl, how touring europe was great and how they know nothing about cd.. I ratrher people get interviewed when they can actually speak their minds and give real information,...

Yes, yes!! Exactly. I thought about that just the other day.

It's one of the things I miss the most about the old GNR days. They would speak their mind without giving any shit to what they were saying.

Same problem about the Kroq show:

I didn't see the show last night, so I downloaded some videos. I just saw IRS and Better, it's very good but most of the time the camera is still all about Axl, even during guitar solos.

When a guy plays a guitar solo, why filming almost 90% of the time?

wow...Axl was even on stage during an solo?