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Title: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: The General on August 10, 2006, 06:43:56 AM
Anybody tried to sing the new songs like CITR, TWAT, IRS and Better. There is no room for breathing in those songs. I think this songs will be a challange for Axl to sing because if you try to sing them loud avd very correct they take the breath out of you 100%, some lines in TWAT and CITR is almost impossible. We all know Axl needs a little oxygen and seem a little out of breath sometimes, so it would be intresting to see how this goes.
I think it would be almost impossible for him to do this songs like they been done in the studio.
But i hope he can do it very simular. On the UK and Europe tour vocals got better show for show in the end even my friends that hate GNR was impressed.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: Miggy on August 10, 2006, 07:01:53 AM
In a lot of old songs it's just the same.? Because it's this way on the album doesn't mean it has to be exact the same live.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: Baby Chaos on August 10, 2006, 07:18:49 AM
Yeah I have noticed this.

We had a few beers round mine the other night and attempted to sing along to Better and IRS. They both hit very high notes in a short space of time and we ended up giving up with horse throats!  ;D

I noticed Axl modifying some of them live to make it easier for himself to hit the notes.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: The General on August 10, 2006, 07:30:32 AM
I wont say its very simular in the old songs, but i agree it dont have to be exact the same live.

and yeah he modifying it live, exaple of this is the scream in IRS and middle part of better, but its okey.

My point is only that they are very hard to sing very identic or impossible.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: russtcb on August 10, 2006, 07:57:43 AM
Anybody tried to sing the new songs like CITR, TWAT, IRS and Better. There is no room for breathing in those songs. I think this songs will be a challange for Axl to sing because if you try to sing them loud avd very correct they take the breath out of you 100%, some lines in TWAT and CITR is almost impossible. We all know Axl needs a little oxygen and seem a little out of breath sometimes, so it would be intresting to see how this goes.
I think it would be almost impossible for him to do this songs like they been done in the studio.
But i hope he can do it very simular. On the UK and Europe tour vocals got better show for show in the end even my friends that hate GNR was impressed.

My band covers "Better" and I've had more then a little trouble keeping up with certain parts. I had my bass player fill in some of the "No one ever told me..." parts and now it's coming along my better then before.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: bazgnr on August 10, 2006, 08:10:32 AM
Seeing several of the songs listed performed live, Axl & Co. pull it off quite well overall...


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: nesquick on August 10, 2006, 09:04:07 AM
hey... Pro-tools  ;D


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: WARose on August 10, 2006, 09:20:46 AM
I wont say its very simular in the old songs, but i agree it dont have to be exact the same live.

and yeah he modifying it live, exaple of this is the scream in IRS and middle part of better, but its okey.

My point is only that they are very hard to sing very identic or impossible.

well... i believe some of the songs actually really changed.... in studio as well : ok:

Anybody tried to sing the new songs like CITR, TWAT, IRS and Better. There is no room for breathing in those songs. I think this songs will be a challange for Axl to sing because if you try to sing them loud avd very correct they take the breath out of you 100%, some lines in TWAT and CITR is almost impossible. We all know Axl needs a little oxygen and seem a little out of breath sometimes, so it would be intresting to see how this goes.
I think it would be almost impossible for him to do this songs like they been done in the studio.
But i hope he can do it very simular. On the UK and Europe tour vocals got better show for show in the end even my friends that hate GNR was impressed.

My band covers "Better" and I've had more then a little trouble keeping up with certain parts. I had my bass player fill in some of the "No one ever told me..." parts and now it's coming along my better then before.

yeah  gnr`s bassist does that as well from time to time :hihi:





Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: slashisvr on August 10, 2006, 11:39:09 AM
oh my god has NO room for breath :yes:


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: agropolus on August 10, 2006, 11:53:29 AM
This happens in more songs, take that middle part of You Could Be Mine for example ("while you're breaking down my back..." or something like that), Axl could NEVER sing it right live


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: Wando on August 10, 2006, 12:42:42 PM
My band covers "Better" and I've had more then a little trouble keeping up with certain parts. I had my bass player fill in some of the "No one ever told me..." parts and now it's coming along my better then before.
Any recordning of this?


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: DunkinDave on August 10, 2006, 12:44:11 PM
The "I would do anything for you" high notes in TWAT are fucking brutal.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: requiem156 on August 10, 2006, 01:35:30 PM
This happens in more songs, take that middle part of You Could Be Mine for example ("while you're breaking down my back..." or something like that), Axl could NEVER sing it right live

He has definitely gotten it right on some occasions, I think - sometimes the chorus that follows that section can suffer a little. I never thought he would be to pull Coma off live, but he did it really well at the Chicago 92 show.

The thing to keep in mind is that Axl probably could sing any of the stuff close to 100% if he wanted to stand there at the mic and give it the kind of attention that he would in a studio setting. That's not really the point of a rock show, though - more often than not, you have to sacrifice a little perfection from the performance to keep the crowd entertained - that's the nature of the beast, as it were. Most of the time, the audience isn't going to care - it's more the obsessive types scrutinizing every bootleg that will notice.

As for the people who figured out that they couldn't sing along with the the new songs very well, I can't say I'm surprised. Although I'm sure there are some exceptions, most of us don't have the range, or diaphragm and breath control that Axl has.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: bromle on August 10, 2006, 01:52:30 PM
hey... Pro-tools  ;D
Indeed. A computer do not need to breath.

And another thing. Axl can't sing multilayerd live either.  ::)



Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: elevendayempire on August 10, 2006, 02:28:58 PM
This happens in more songs, take that middle part of You Could Be Mine for example ("while you're breaking down my back..." or something like that), Axl could NEVER sing it right live
Yeah, the last part of Coma's the same...

SG


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: requiem156 on August 10, 2006, 04:08:22 PM
hey... Pro-tools? ;D

I'm sure they are smart enough to not edit the vocal parts to the point that they can't be reproduced live. Presumably, they are writing the stuff in the rehearsal space. Pro-Tools has a lot of cool applications that don't include editing and auto-tune.


Title: Re: Vocals on the new songs
Post by: duga on August 10, 2006, 04:50:56 PM
Pro-tools is okay as long as you don't use the helium voice/auto-tune feature a la Cher.