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does anyone know? 

I once read he has 2 more octaves than alice cooper, so if you figure out Alice Cooper's, add 2 to that.

I read 8 octaves, that's amazing

could somone explain the whole matter like we are 5 year olds? What does it mean 8 octaves? his voice? how is it measured? Like an opera singer or something?
Thanks for making it clear.

"tu prends la note la plus grave, puis la plus aigu, tu mesures la diff?rence et ?a te donne 8 octaves."

Do you understand now? :hihi:

J'ai pas compris l'ami.

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COULD SOMEBODY ELSE GIVE IT A SHOT ? IM RETARDED I CANT HELP IT. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON THIS ISSUE WHATSOEVER.


EDIT: ok Now I get it. Sorry Im slow.

I don't know how to translate it in english. well...it's a question of measure in his voice tone. a measure between his highest notes (nightrain or sweet child for exemple) and his lowest ones (it's so easy). IT GIVES YOU 8 OCTAVES. well that's what I read.

An octave is the distance from one note to the same note at the other end of a scale.? For example, the C major scale has the notes C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C (it's the scale with no sharps or flats).? Note that it begins and ends with the same note, C.? Both of those C's are the same note, but one of them is higher than the other.? That's one octave distance between them.? Now, if you're talking 8 octaves...well, that's the same note, but a LOT higher.

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I heard that Mariah Carey has a 7 octave range. I heard this from a girl who studied singing. I'm not sure if that's true or not but I doubt that Axl has a higher range than Mariah. On the other hand...maybe he does...he can sing pretty low...

It doesnt matter how high you can go, its how high and low you can go.
Since axl can singer lower than Mariah and Axl can sing pretty damn high, he has a better range.
Btw listen to Riyadh from HOB that is damn high.

8 octives is humanly impossible... unless of course you can sing every note on the piano... which is impossible. To give you an idea of axl's range...

the opening notes he sings in "its so easy" is a low Eb... the ending note of sweet child is the next octive up and in rocket queen he hits the next highest Eb at the end. That would be a three octive range... the highest note i've heard axl hit is the high F above the Eb in rocket queen. He hits the F at the perfect crime. I'm sure axl could probably sing the low a below the low e in its so easy.... i'd say axl has around a three and half octive range.

I've taken 10 years of opera so I know what i'm talking about

I read somewhere that Axl had a 7 octave.  3 is why off buddy.

Its 8

http://www.epinions.com/content_16657387140


"With the loose, blusey rhythms of bassist Duff McKagan and drummer Steven Adler, and the furious riffs of Izzy Stradlin and the technically stunning soloing of Slash, there was no mistake this was an extremely talented group, however, lead vocalist Axl Rose is the immediate standout of this band. Sporting an 8-octave vocal range that has never quite been the same since this album, the tremendously talented frontman could do anything with any song, many times on the album he sounds like two completley different people, one moment screeching at the top of his lungs, another utilizing a deep, baritone growl."

I read that in Spin some years ago also.

Thats pretty impressive if in fact Axl's vocal capabilities are as you said they were with that quote :o

I hate to burst your bubble but there is no fucking way he has an 8 octave range.  Do you realize how ridiculous he would sound singing in 8 octaves?  he doesn't even really sing that high...8 octaves is ridiculous.  don't believe everything you read on the internet kids.

sorry to double post but this thread just pissed me off.  4-5 octaves is incredible...Celine Dion for God's sake has a five octave range.  Axl would sound like a eunich singing that high.  Sorry but give me a fucking break...8 ::)

There's no fucking way that Celine Dion can sing anywhere near as low as Axl. You are thinking of the high notes, dont forget about the lower notes. Axl can sing pretty high also, so I would say he has more range than Celine Dion.

Nobody on earth can sing in 8 octave!  ;)

Octave if im not mistaken is how low you can sing to how high you can sing, you guys are forgetting the low range too.

The correct answer is 3-3.5

4-5 is probably the best a human being can achieve.

8 is impossible.

have you heard the demo for 'dont damn me' ??
he goes pretty low at the end, like an opera singer.? : ok:

http://hem.bredband.net/htgth/dontdamnme.mp3

Yma Sumac, voice of the Xtabay, had and octave range of four and a half, and she's a legend.

8 octaves hahaha, you must be crazy...dont believe the exaggerated bullshit you read on the net...8 octaves is impossible...

Anybody who knows a tiny bit about music theory, knows that it's impossible to have a 8 octave range!

I think Axl has a 3 octave range. Maybe 4, if he practices a lot. 8 is like a joke. No one can do that. Well at leats not a man, maybe Mariah Carey.

He does have very different ways of singing and a whole lot of different voices. Maybe people mistake that for octave's......

Well If Mariah Carey Can, PRINCE most definitly can. ...Although I wouldn't exactly call Prince a man  :hihi:

I think Mike Patton has been estimated at about a 5 octave range and Ofra Haza was about a 4.5 - there is no way Axl is close to them.  Mike Patton has arguably the most versitle voice in the world.

Here is a good article that might explain a lot.

http://popdirt.com/print31997.html

Good article - I forget where I read that Patton was close to about 5 octave but that says everything right there

I also believe Yma Sumac had the best vocal range ever (5 Octave) if I am not mistaken

Yeah, the 8 octave thing is ridiculous. I think that men in general have higher octaves though, because, in general, it is much easier for men to do high pitch sounds than for women to do low pitch.

I'm not good at counting notes, but does anyone know how many octaves Sebastian Bach, Freddy Mercury, and Rob Halford can do?

Mike Patton is amazing! I really wish FNM would reunite.

Im not sure why people  have a hard time thinking axl has a high octave range.
Listen to its so easy then riyadh or move to the city. He is up there

People don't have a hard time thinking Axl has a high octave range, people have a hard time thinking Axl has an octave range that is humanly impossible.

I'm not good at counting notes, but I think what people have been saying about it being between 3 and 4 sounds about right. That's a pretty damn good range IMO! I wish I can do that.

Its higher than that i belive, i think its more like 5 or 6

Guesstimating won't get us anywhere, especially by people who know nothing about music. I say this, someone who knows music theory, tell us the highest/lowest notes axl has sung on the studio albums. An above poster mentioned that the note on Rocket Queen is the highest one he hits...and the one on "Its so Easy" is the lowest, the difference being around 3 octaves. As it stands, that was the best post so far. Everyone can claim what they think it is, but please present some evidence.


By the way, I think Axl's vocal range is 14 octaves.

I just did some searching and four I believe, is the highest octave a person can reach.

8 octaves is impossible, if u know how to read music it would be unfathomable, u would have to be able to sing 8 different "E's"

now counting falsetto it is possible to have a many octave range, but regular voice its not

using regular voice i can hit 2 and a half octaves clean and powerful but a little shaky all the way to 3, with falsetto added in i can sing almost 5 octaves

so including falsetto it could be possible to hit 8 octaves but no way with regular powerful voice u could do that.

I bet 3 to 4.
Wider range than that is useless in singing. Actually 2 and half is more than enough for most of songs.

Maybe we can find one in Guinness book or some medical book as a case of congenial anomaly or something. Who knows?

They say your register depends on the constitution of your vocal organs. An average adult can sing in a range of around1.5 octaves. Perhaps most of you can go from low E to middle G, easy. Several Notes outside it, which you can growl or hoarse, are your potential ones you may be able to hit after proper vocal exercises. Training won?t widen your range but strengthen your voice to enable you to sing in your full range.

Apparently Axl can sing in 8 or more different voice tones of an octave on the different scales. Marvelous.
IMO It makes far better singer than 8 octaves.

octave >noun  1 Music a series of eight notes occupying the interval between (and including) two notes, one having twice or half the pitch of the other.  2 Music the interval between two such notes, or the notes themselves sounding together.  3 a group or stanza of eight lines.
-ORIGIN originally referring to a period of eight days following and including a Church festival; from Latin octava dies 'eighth day'.

Come on people, do the MATH!!

Back in his prime and now.
Is there any concrete proof of what is it/was. I have always heard it was 2.5, 3 ,4 but never a concrete answer. Does anyone know for sure.

Not sure, but I'd also like to know.  His voice was pretty impressive on Rhiad.

Let's just say it's pretty fuckin' high.

Yeah but it goes from as low as we've heard it on tracks like back off bitch to as high as we've heard it on the blues...not that those serve as a floor and ceiling, but just for point of reference.

i think he is 4

I am about 2, I believe. Sounds like it when I do scales with my piano. Wouldnt suprise me if Axl is around 4 :drool:

i think its 4 too, I remember reading that somewhere

Vince Neil had a higher one I believe.

Comparing Vince Neil to Axl?   :rofl: 

 :rofl:, Neil will only be a 2 or 3 at most

Just when it comes to this.

very few people have 4, id say he was a 3

I would say a three at best.  Four octave range is pretty rare.  At my most vocally in shape, I'm in the 2.5 to 3 range.

Ali

I?d say about 3. No way 4.

Of course, just out of my ass...

Anyway, I read that Freddie Mercury?s was about 3.5, and there?s no way Axl is over Freddie, at least when it comes to range.

basically its 4... maybe slightly less. The highest note he's ever hit is a high high F (last note perfect crime, and the highest note in TWAT). And off the top of my head I can't think of the lowest note i've heard him hit but its probably a or g below middle c. So not quite 4 octaves but pretty damn close.

God, when he sang Sailing at the acoustic I though it couldn't get any higher than that...

It's pretty high, I have no idea how you measure it but I can tell you for sure that it's pretty high...

Just for a point of reference, as far as octave ranges go, singers like Maria Carey and Cyndi Lauper , boith have 4 octave ranges, thats tremedous, Id say axl is between 2.5- 3.. And you also have to look at whee the bottom starts, for each.

I've heard 4... Also heard that Freddie was 3.5.

probably 4

Axl has a higher voice than Mercury.

omg... 8 octave is rediculous!

I have created a small mp3 file containing notes to make up 8 octaves...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DTRRTO5N

listen to that... do you REALLY still think he can do 8?

I don't really understand why you keep on posting those high numbers when you've posted the article about mariah carey as well (
http://popdirt.com/print31997.html). Remember: it said she used to be in the guinness book of world records with 5 octaves, but isn't any more. Thus, logically speaking Axl can't have an 8 octave range, he can't even have a 5 octave range.


Falsetto isn't supposed to be counted. Other than that, most singers using their head voice don't actually produce higher pitched notes, the frequency remains the same, the voicing is just 'finer'.

I'd prefer the 93 octane if it weren't so fucking expensive!

Wait, what're we talking about again?

 :hihi:

+1 It's always great when non-musicians start throwing around terms that they don't really understand. Mariah does not have 7 octaves, and axl sure as hell does not have 8. Pavarotti doesn't have 8 octaves - no human being does. It is not possible, as Crashdiet said. He does have a large range - much bigger than most people. I would say that 3 and 1/2 ocraves is approximately correct. Most singers can reliably use 2 octaves, so you can see why 8 would be a ridiculous number. He's good, but he isn't super-human!

To clarify a few things, Axl does not have a higher range that Freddie Mercury - Freddie could hit a high A in head voice, which is very uncommon. Falsetto, when defined as whistle tone, does not count as range, but many people refer to head voice as falsetto, which does count. Axl's range is approximately equivalent to Chris Cornell in his younger days, or Geoff Tate, although Axl is not as clear in his higher rage.

 Axl voice is betwen falsetto and normal voice.and no one can duplicate his voice.no other human being can.that's why we love him so much.well maybe 8 is ridicolous.but at least no one can sing like him.

What was Prince's octave range? Because he seems to have a pretty big range.

That is true but axl can go much lower than them, so could have a better range, just not go as high, because they cant go as low.

That still doesn't mean he can sing in 8 octaves as your quite adament he does. (Which as other people have said it's Humanly Impossible)

I know 8 isnt right, that post was from a year or so ago. That is why I asked again, because I know that cant be right. They merged the two threads, thus people are getting cofused.

I am thinking its more like 4 or 5 at the most

this is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_range

World records and extremes of vocal range

Females

    * Greatest range: Eight octaves, G2-G10, Georgia Brown, Brazil
    * Highest vocal note: G10, Georgia Brown, Brazil

Males

    * Greatest range: Six octaves, Tim Storms, USA
    * Highest vocal note: C#8 Adam Lopez, Australia
    * Lowest vocal note: B-2 (nearly two octaves below piano's lowest note), Tim Storms, USA


so axls probably 5 at most....

The highest notes Axl has ever sang on a recording are on I.R.S and There Was A Time. He sings higher in both those songs than any other Guns song ever.

What note in TWAT are you talking about? ???

Not that I have looked up and down all the GNR songs for it but I guess the highest vocal note is, trespassing upon mezzo-soprano territory, F#5 .

Axl hits the top F# (the second F#/Gb above middle c) twice crisp and clear on the irs demo, well at least on my pc. roughly speaking, I think it goes like

"it(f#4) like(a#4) a(f#4) crime(c#5) you(e5) know(f#5) its(e5) truuuuuuuuuuuuu(f#5)ue(c#5)!"

@ davidoff86

Did you read the rest?
Too bad no song requires a note higher than G6, lower than D2 even in opera. a range of 4 octaves and half should be enough to cover any part, from bass to soprano. A voice higher or lower than that wouldn't sound musical. Her G10 to G#6, or his D2 to B-2 is useless in singing I say.

It's not 4 or 5. It's worth noting that no one has ever sat down with him at a piano and checked what his highest and lowest notes are. However, based on what he has sung on recordings, we can conclude that it's somewhere over 3, but probably less than 4. Don't feel bad - that's still a damn big range. Also, it really isn't the size, but how you use it. Plenty of singers with comparatively small ranges have done a lot with them, including John Lennon, Mick Jagger, Joe Strummer, Billy Corgan, Eddie Vedder, Bruce Springsteen, Elvis, Roger Daltrey, Ray Davies, John Fogerty, Tom Petty and that's just off the top of my head.

the range Jazme said would do for 99 percent of male vocal tunes in pop/rock music, including GNR ones.

So 3.5 is probably around what he has.

3.5 is being generous - between 2 and 3 is most likely

this is an impressive range for a male but there is no way he is 4

For TWAT I'm talking about the part where he sings "I would do anything for you". That is the highest I've ever heard him sing on a recording. As for I.R.S you already know the part I'm talking about, right before Bucket's solo.

As for his highest full voice note, I couldnt tell you. Never really compared songs. But for his headtone, its def. that part in TWAT.

I know this discussion is getting old, but we can defintiely say that he has more than 3. He sings down to a low Eb on more than one occasion, and higher than an Eb 3 octaves above quite frequently. That's not so hard to believe - I have more than 2 octaves, and I'm no vocal god.

About his highest full voice note - I don't think he has ever pushed it on a recording, which is smart because if he did the timbral differences between his head voice and full voice would become even more apparent.

Oui, je comprends  :hihi:

as much as i have loved some parts of the smashing pumpkins catalog, billy corgan's voice sucks. yes, he can pull it off and make songs worth listening to, but as a pure voice, i'd be hard pressed to find a similarly (or more) successful singer with a worse voice.

mmm.. Im sceptical of that, Im a guitarist so I dont claim to know everything vocal wise, but I do recall Tim Buckley (Jeffs father) had a range somewhere between 4-5 and his was considered extraordinary to the point of freakishness. So I think it very unlikely he is higher than 3. It is very difficult and unusual to go 3 btw

The timbre and quality of Axls voice (in low parts and high) can perhaps add to the perception that he is singing lower or higher (particularly the screechiness) but thats not to be confused specifically with how high or low hes singing - do yoiu know what I mean? hard to explain

Regardless, he had a very good range back in the day and could certainly use it. Not so sure the range is as wide now, (Rhiad is more falsetto I feel - which is something new for Axl, most likely beacause he struggles to hit highs he previously could) hope Im wrong

Ok, so you don't claim to know everything but you think you know enough to be condescending about it. Thanks for that. I'm a musician of 20 years, and have studied theory, guitar and voice at a college level. That is not to say that I know everything, but I'm not talking out of my ass. If you sit down with your guitar, and figure out which notes he is singing in various songs, you will see that he clearly has more than 3 octaves. I'm saying this from pure observation, not some kind of misguided hero worship. If you listen to Locomotive, you can hear him tripling the chorus part, each voice in a different octave. That is hardly the only example, but it's a pretty damn obvious one.

There is a big difference between pure falsetto and head voice. Axl uses head voice, and always has when he is in his high range - much like Shannon Hoon, Chris Cornell, Robert Plant, etc. He is just cleaning it up more now, which is a pretty impressive achievment, considering how gritty it used to be. Pure falsetto comes from whistle tone, which is not a genuine part of vocal range as it is a tone produced by another part of the larynx.

Sorry to double post, but this needs answering. First of all, ok, that's your opinion but it hardly changes my point. Secondly, Corgan is a better singer than most people think. The fact that he uses such a nasal tone, should not be contrued as a limitation so much as an affectation. In the early Pumpkins days, he was definitely not capable of reproducing a lot of things live, but from 97-present he has studied voice and developed into a reasonable singer. I don't think most people who aren't singers realize exactly what goes into standing up there in front of a few thousand people and belting out a song.

what is a head voice??

It's a higher register in the male voice, commonly mislabelled as falsetto. The term "head voice" is a bit more difficult to explain without some general knowledge of vocals cords and their workings, but suffice it to say that it's what all the really high male rock singers use for their top notes. It is not the range that people speak in, or sing naturally in, and is somewhat harder to train. It's also tricky because it tends to be much thinner sounding than your chest or "full" voice, which means you have to really push it to make the two registers sound even. This is why so many head voice users, Axl included, tend to do damage to their voice over prolonged touring.

Of all the present rock stars doing the rounds i would say that Chris cornell is higher than 99.9% of the names mentioned so far.

I think i get it. I tryn to sound like Axl.so I practice hard.every day in the morning ?with my head in the bathtub full of water I scream loudly with (that i thought) my falsetto voice.about ten times.I've been doin it for about 5 years.Its looks stupid,.but it works.

well he definately sings to Eb cuz thats what the guitars tune to...so i would say that is his lowest note....his highest I've heard is the better intro but i dunno what that is played like...also on Coma his voice/scream fades to the "flatline" note whatever that is ,17th fret on the high "E" string so an A, so i think that works out to 3 1/2 octaves or there abouts

did that make any sense at all? :-\

but Slash couldn't get much higher than that now could he :hihi: that's pretty much the whole fretboard he can cover vocally

does cornhole ever sing out of falscetto? :hihi:

I think Bach prolly is really up there as far as vocal range goes...the man has an insane voice

You mean a high A? I'd say No way! But I''m gonna check the bit anyways. on Coma, yes? Yep, with my absolute pitch. :hihi:

You're referring to a line in the chorus after the great middle keyboards in the later half of the longest leek, perhaps?
Phew, I checked all the leaked versions messing about the equalizer to find out where.
Unclear but all anyhow, DD C# B, DC#B G# B, There(A was(A a (A ta (A im (B~ then
comes The high line moving about among F#5, E5 and D5, I think. which is actually high, like you said.
Still not above f#5.

Incidentally, what part of what GNR song do you think goes the lowest? I wouldn't count a backing vocal bit when it's indistinguishable from the other parts and from the subjest dunkin experts on.

you prolly weren't asking me but I'd say on "You Ain't the First" ie the "Deep Down Inside" line so i dunno how low that puts him maybe up above 4 octaves...we need your perfect pitch again ;D

Badmotorfinger/Temple of the Dog era Cornell might have been one of the highest, but that was many years ago, and he was already losing top notes by Superunknown. His voice sounds more shot that anyone else on the list these days, and he barely uses his high range anymore.

Bach is ridiculous - that guy can really sing. He hasn't lost a thing, as far as I know.

ppebe- I think Locomotive is the lowest I've heard him go, and if that is what you were referring to, I think it's sufficiently audible. Eb is probably not his lowest note, because it's a safe bet that he isn't going to use notes at either extreme of his range in something he's going to need to perform on a nightly basis. That would be unwise, since you never know what shape you'll be in vocally.

yeah you're right, but it's the lowest he goes on a regular basis...that's what i meant...it's his natural starting point...GnR have always been tuned down a half step as far as I know

Well I think the highest note he has reached on a studio recording is the scream in I.R.S...now thats pretty high. If someone could give an example of his lowest vocal work on the recordings, we will then be able to judge what his octave range is.

"Deep down inside" from you aint the first is an Eb on the Bass I believe, which therefore adds another Octave, so that puts him @ 4 1/2 ?

i think that Locomotive deep part is an A so i think that the line i mentioned from "You aint the First" is a lower note

Yep nick that what I thought.

requiem156, if you're refering to the deep back vocal on the Chromatic scale bit where the main goes like G# G F# F C# G# B G# B, it's difficult to distinguish from the bass guitar but doesn't seem to go below F2.
Even Axl can't sing two parts in chorus at once that he wouldn't worry much about how to back himself on stage.

It a voice from the head register. Axl and other genuine singers mostly use it except when they sing bass.

From Wikipedia:
The head register is a vocal mechanism used in singing. It is found in all voice types from the lowest male bass to the highest female soprano. It is not associated with any particular musical pitch, but rather with the position and use of the vocal cords and larynx. The human voice is commonly divided into two registers: the upper register called the head register and the lower register called the chest register.

When singing in the head register, laryngeal behaviour is quite different from that of the chest register. The vocal cords are thin and have a wide amplitude. There is no firm glottal closure. The crico-thyroid muscles become much more active, while the action of the vocalis muscle decreases. All of the these actions reduce the volume and number of partial harmonics.

The term head register reflects the perceptions of many singers who feel that when they sing in this register the sound vibrates in their heads rather than their chests. While scientists and physicians have disproved this idea, the term is still very common.

seemingly there're many theories and yet a theory is theory. :yes:

I've been wondering what people here mean by the "full voice", as I thought ones full voice should include their head notes as well as those from the chest, and include out their falsetto. ???

I'm afraid that there is a lot of debate about some of these terms. All you can do is pick what seems like the most likely explanation. As far as head voice, although obviously the sound doesn't resonate entirely in your head, it is very crucial to open your nasal cavity when singing this way if you want a full sounding tone. Full voice is a term that is used by some to distinguish chest from head voice. I'm not sure what you mean by "genuine singers" but on the list of singers who don't regularly use head voice you'd find Maynard James Keenan, Jim Morrison, Mike Patton, Layne Staley, Scott Weiland, Frank Sinatra, and Tony Bennett. I think one could argue that some of these are genuine singers. In point of fact, there have been some fairly poor head voice singers such as Tom Keifer, Joe Elliott, Vince Neil, and Dizzy Dean. Brian Johnson gets a pass for his early stuff, but his voice is shot. So, there's good and bad on both sides.

youve misinterpreted me man - I wasnt being condescending at all, got it? However your own post is extremly condescending .and ive played guitar for near on 15 years, tutored etc.. and furthermore didnt present my theory as the be all and end all.

if you read my post again i said I found it unlikely he had a higher register than 3 - didnt dismiss 3 and also explained that Axl has a good range. I'll let others determine exactly what that is, I was merely dispelling some of the more out-there suggestions of 4-5 etc..

I think his lowest vocal is either the "Deep Down Inside" in You Ain't The First, or the low part he sings in Locomotive. It's pretty low, at the end near the "Love's So Strange", he goes so low that its blending in with the music. You have to really listen to it. Its the line "If love is blind I guess I'll buy myself a cane" and he sings that with all three voices like the other parts, but he holds the word "cane" longer than all the others and then he says "yeah" at the end. I think that might be his lowest vocal, like I said its so low that it pretty much just blends in with the music.

Ok, sorry for misunderstanding.

so, The Bee gees using a head voice in staying alive ?

12 octaves, ultrasound :hihi:

Yes, but it's a bad example, in my opinion, because there is no attempt made to match the timbre of the upper register to the lower - if you hear Barry Gibb(?) singing in chest voice, versus the Stayin' Alive type stuff, you could believe it was a different person. On the other hand, guys like Geoff Tate, and Rob Halford sing that high and clear, but it's a very even transition from low to high. Shannon Hoon is a good example too - he wasn't as technically proficient a singer as those guys in many respects, but it was very difficult to tell where he switched from one register to the other(partially because he had a very naturally high voice, unlike Axl).

[deep] Ab [down] G [in] F [side] Eb = G# G F D# damn you're right!
I don't know if this bit would exactly be called "singing" ( for this reason I estimate this to be about his bottom singing note of the day.  maybe I'm wrong. )
anyway,  fact is a fact.
Eb2/D#2,
is even lower than the bottom of a model bass range.

There's no denying that he has a range of 3 octaves plus 3 semitones or above.

Thanks. as I said above, I'm leaning toward the idea that "Deep Down Inside" was the lowest then.

It's a toughie to distinguish the bass vocal from the bass guitar on locomotive.
I think "cane" is B2 and then it goes like
Love Ab is Eb  so Eb strange B--- if he sang this B as B1 in unison with the main vocal, well it is lower than D#2..... B1  :nervous: but....I donno if he did. I can't really hear the note. 

he`s singing it`s so easy pretty low these days...