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Do you ever think about this?  Without hooking up with Robin all those years ago and working on all those killer songs, How far would Axl have gotten with Chinese Democracy.  I think Robin is very important and when I hear people bash him it brings a tear to my eye, and levi's rise.

If not Robin, it would have been someone else.  Axl Rose would have gotten just as far...

theres obviously a very good reason y axl recruited robin, we'll have to wait till sept/oct/nov to find out  :smoking:

You're correct, partially.  But finding somebody to work with creatively is harder than it seems.

Yes but, apparantly, without Robin we wouldn't have "Better"...and possibly other songs ;D
But I think the same would go for the other members aswell (bar Ron...well if John 5 had turned out to be the new guitarist things could possibly have been alot different in the tour )....who knows what the band would be like today?!

And I agree with that.? But it can, and would have been done? : ok:

Robin makes GN'R Better.  8)




/jarmo

Finck has NOTHING to do with Axl's talent or success. Without Finck, CD wouldn't have been delayed anymore than it already has. The guy walked out on the band once, so to say Finck saved GNR is literally a cosmic joke. Yeah, Finck has been involved with these great songs, but when you remove BH from the music, the quality drops instantly. So an even better question would be: Where would the status of this album be if BH had never been involved? Dont answer that. More of a rhetorical question. I dont want to hijack your thread. :peace:


This post isnt really a Finck bash. He has done some good shit on CD. The Blues is a masterpiece, and Finck is a big part of the reason it is. :beer:

Let's wait for the release of CD before writing in praise of Finck... :hihi:

its simple, axl would have gotten someone else!!!!

dont get me wrong i think robin has done an good job for his ability, but i think axl just would have gotten someone else

I dont even have to hear the album to give him praise for that song. :peace:

At the end of the day no one knows how much of Finck's work is on CD, and also if Buckethead did anything meaningful on the album either.

100% agreed : ok: ;D

Yes Axl would have gotten someone else if Robin wasn't in the band....but the answer to the question is meant on a different level than the obvious....what would the quality of the songs be like without Robin (or the others)?, would the tour have been the same?, would Axl have taken a slightly different musical direction?....all questions we don't really need to think about at the moment!

its obvious from the leaks that bucketheads work was meaningful, my honest opinion is that bucket stole the show on them leaked songs

Finck was good for the band I guess, but there were other options that could easily have done as well. Finck worked out great, maybe some of the songs we love wouldn't be right or even exist without him, but look at the other side: Maybe we could have gotten different and better songs to love from someone else. Not bashing him, but proffesional creative guitarists aren't impossible to come by when you're Axl Rose.

Well, if Finck isn't on the album, and BH isn't on the album, then there aint no fucking album. So I guess your wait is over.

Should have been t'other way round obviously.

the importance of finck to axl could be seen at Brian May's interview in 99/2000.
He says that axl called him because the lead guitarrist who was working with him (Robin) has left, and he felt very bad because he (Axl) really liked the stuff Robin did in GNR, so he called Brian to do some songs with him so he couldn't miss so much Robin Stuff.

robin left??when??

All I know is that Robin has been there for a LONG time. Where would Axl and GNR be today without Finck? Who knows. But what is known that he has brought a lot to the table and means a lot to Axl.

Its known that they have had plenty of arguments in the studio. Heck Robin even left the band. If he didnt mean anything to Axl or GNR he would have been long gone.

What you also have to realize is that there is a certain bond/chemistry between Axl and RObin. That alone has helped make the 2 work. Robin is very underated but thats Axls fault. The album isnt out yet. The world cant hear the playing and creativeness of Finck. The chemistry and bond that the 2 have developed goes a long way in rebuilding gnr. many of you groan about hired guns and any1 can be replaced. But what you dont realize is that this band works. Musically and on a social/personable level. That is why Axl can now move foawrd with the album and band.

Axl could have easily thrown boatloads of money at big time guitarists and forced it to work. But he didnt. He wanted this to be a band. Not just a musical monstrosity. And that imo is a smart thing to do. Because when that album drop and people see the new tour and songs they will realize that there is more than just guys playing in gnr. Its a band with the gnr spirit.not hired guns.

some people will embrace that. and others will hate the band even more because of that.

Robin came up with Better!...that alone is enough. But Im sure there is a shitload of more stuff that he has brought to the table. Not to mention the creativity and ideas he will bring to videos as im sure he has brought to songs and lyrics.....

I could carless how he plays the old tunes. For me he plays them just fine. But either way he will not be judged by how he plays Jungle or Rocket Queen, etc. He will be judged on Chinese Democracy and the follow ups. And thats the only fair thing to do. If you want to disregard him because he plays the old songs choppy and sloppy...thats ur loss. Then ur still wrapped up in the old tunes.

Robin, Tommy and I would even wager Pittman are the core of this band along of course with Axl. RObin and Tommy have been here since the start of the new era. They have exhibited patience,professionalism and great muscianship. Slowly they are gaining fans. And when the album drops, if its good, they will be rewarded for their hard work,dedication and patience. They deserve it the most....

1997-1999 approximately.

During this time he went back to Nine Inch Nails, recorded "The Fragile" and toured with them.

I believe Robin left in 1999 and returned mid/late 2000.

As far as for the original question in this topic goes...See avatar and personal text.

Real questions should be

"Where would Axl be without CHRIS PITMAN?"
 >:(

but i love finck, he wrote "better".

The real question is: Where Robin Finck would be today without GN'R?
I've nothing against him but come on, there was a guy called SLASH before him who made Guns N' Roses History. Considering he is an ok guitar player but far to be even "great", Robin is a lucky guy to be there. Very lucky.

end of story.

yer.. just wait till CD is released buddy. he'll be bigger than Slash.

He might be lucky in terms of old gnr splitting and he getting an oppurtunity to play in the band. But he certainly has earned his place witht he band and with Axl.

And he might be the same lucky guy to etch himself into the gnr history books if Chinese Democracy is the kind of album we are all hoping for...Unless you just totally diregard his contributions and say o well Slash was in the band before him...Just think Nes if Cd takes off there iwll be a lot of rock fans going to see GNr because of that goth freak named Robin Finck....That must make you sleep well at night

yeah riiiiight, and Buckethead will become a guitar Hero ?:rofl:

Stop beeing ridiculous.

Robin is good (but not great), but in 10 years very, very few peple will know who "Robin Finck" is/was.
And Chinese Democracy will be seen as AXL's ALBUM, it's cruel but it's like that. I doubt the reviews will even mention the players on this record. They will just focus on Axl.

The only guitar player in this band who can, eventually, possibly, maybe one day, get a worldwide notorious reputation is Richard Fortus (for me). But he needs to take the Lead. If not, even him will not be remembered. Open your eyes, Slash is wayyyyyyyy too big and too mythical for any other guitar player to be remembered in this band. There is SLASH, There is IZZy, and there is all the rest who are easily replacable, switchable, like socks.

Sad but True.

yea thats the sad reality of it

Buckethead was a show-pony guitarist. His contributions are fantastic but he was hardly irreplaceable. I seriously doubt you'll be getting many songs written by or with Buckethead. Robin, an arguably lesser technical guitarist, I'd expect to have a more Stradlin song-writing influence. Again, Izzy was a lesser technical guitarist than Slash, but I know I wouldn't want Slash writing songs for me. Robin wrote Better and thats good enough for now. Tommy wrote a few songs as a Replacement and has been referred to as 'musical director', I'd imagine he's made a weighty contribution in the creation of songs.

I'd have to say Ron Thal.? But that's my opinion.? He's the best out of the 3 guitarists.

Of course most of the focus will be on Axl but as the band puts out newer material, if its good, the band will get there due. Will they ever take over the world? Of course not. But they are already for the mosat part well repected musicians in the business. Great songs will gain fans. Old gnr fans and kids who dont know or could careless about the gnr saga. And thats a fact. If Better or any other song they release is a hit, your telling me some kid who knows nothing about GNr or slash wont latch on to this band? Stop being blind....

If robin looked like richard you would be saying the same garbage. So i take your comments with a grain of salt. Your all about the looks. And speaking of that, Robin doesnt even look like he did in 02 so that alone will knock off some negative responses.

It comes down to the playing. If Robin delivers more guitar solos and songs liek Better. He will make a name for himself. Case Closed


Ill tell you whats sad but true. Its sad to see a rock legend like Slash just fade off. When was the last time I heard about Slash? Or hsi band VR? When was the last big Slash debate/thread on these boards? are they even releasing a 2nd album? What happened to the crossover hit Fall To pieces? The Slash factor is slowly drifting away. Blame the  leaks and successful cohesive tour for that

Your probably too ignorant to realize this but ill try again. No way shape or form am I downplaying what SHash has done with GNR. He made himself a legend. But imo, GNr can have another successful era of music. SLash or no slash....the band as is can release a very successful album,tour and do it all over again and be at the top for a few yrs. Very easily. And not because they have the gnr name but because of the actual music. If the GNr name meant everything then why did the 02 tour fail?

Gnr will have 2 great eras of music. And theres nothing wrong with that!

Home, staring at the ceiling....

the basic fan base of gnr is of the OLD line up!!!

the reason gnr have the fan base now is because of the old line up!!

and because of "new rnr" people wont see (kiddies mostly into BFMV etc) how much the old line up meant to the world and still would be if they could set aside there  diffrences

VR are more of a rock band  than G NR are!!!

if they didnt have the GNR name they would not have as much support as they do

IMO

what do VR do thats so much more "rnr" than gnr?


no way really?

why did the 02 tour fail then?

because vr are more of a RNR sound and lifestyle!!!

YES really

because people still want to see axl

i tell anyone now, i went to see GNR because i wanted to see AXL singin!!simple as

iv seen vr play mr brownstone and its so easy and VRs version is better than GNR

all this is my OPINION

So you dig Axl's singing but you prefer VR's brownstone & easy? With Scott in them?  :-\

Wasn't Robin Finck recommended by Matt Sorum. For being the dual gutarist with Slash.

He was in the band with Sorum and Duff for a while. So I am curious what they think of him?

Robin from what I see on his site is a very creative guy, and its a shame that people still don't give him credit when its due.

I personally think hes got a unique style and that spider / crab dance he does is pretty cool.

The thing with Slash and Velvet Revolver. Is its just straight rock, no you know uniqueness. No Led Zeppelin feel. Its just dumb ass rock 101. For some people that fine, but I am more into getting the songs more complicated and not just straight rock n roll you know. Adding different elements.

Chris Pittman seems like a guy that has to bring something important to the table in the studio. He was thanked in the Live ERA credits as I recall. If he did co write Madagascar then hes a pretty good song writer.

SCOTT DOES THAT SONG JUSTICE MORE THAN FINCK AND CO DO THE PLAYING OF THE SONG JUSTICE

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i'll have what hes smoking

This current GNR fucking BLow away VR. teh fuck are you talking about?

The demos are better than anything VR has done. FACT! (you know what i mean)

fuck, we havent even heard the final version of "Better" yet!!

Ok, ok, you don't have to post your opinion in caps, i'm not BLIND or DEAF.
I can tell you have a thing for Robin.

sorry the caps button was on and i was to late to cancel the thread to replace them

c'mon guys i mean look what album do gnr have to apply that sorta crowd??they have no album only 4 leaks and bootlegs, you dont get that many fans from that!!!

that proves my two statements are sorta facts

what u guys think?

I think you and everybody else should quit judging the new band until you hear Their new CD.

but we are on about hear and now!!!that was the original question!!

haha ok  : ok:

ill take the demos and leaks over any vr song....the only 2 songs worth mentioning from that album are Slither and YGNR....other than that its a boring, genric rock record. But hey atleast they are "cool" : ok:

....somewhere better

Well, since this is in the Dead Horse section already, I guess a VR vs GN'R is acceptable...

I am a big fan of VR. I went to see them live and loved every minute of it. I haven't seen the current GN'R line up live yet, but even watching a shitty-ass pixelated clip of GN'R playing Better's middle part on my PC blows away my first-hand experience of seeing VR live.
But I have to say, I really like Duff. He seems to be pretty much the coolest guy to emerge from any GN'R line up. I was more excited to see him than anyone else in VR.

Anywho, back on topic... Robin is probably gonna prove to be an integral part of GN'R future from here on. After CD is out, I am sure he will be regarded a highly esteemed guitarist in his own right, not just "the new GN'R guitar player." And I believe Robin is able to bridge the gap between old school Zeppelin grooves and contemporary guitar playing, which seems to be a formula that's working well for GN'R 2006.

Everything changes. Love it or hate it, it still won't go away. Ever.

so true, people think the new members mean something.. Axl already had the gnr name he could have had anyone.. Plus there is no success of this new band..

kool post, i like ur comparisons, they make sense  : ok:

Well said  : ok: