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hey guys, i dont really know too much abot this but although he supposedly commit suicide, people are claiming he was murdered.

could anyone shed some light on this for me?

thanks

i can offer my opinion only.

yep, he was murdered.? ?and i would bet my left nut that his sorry bitch of a wife
had something to do with it.

what makes u so sure?

lol.   i dont know man.   i just feel like she knew something about it.

even if she didnt know anything, i still feel like he didnt kill himself.

and im not a Nirvana fan in denial or anything, i actually cant stand Nirvana.

It's on TV right now.

Somebody made a thread on this not too long ago.

Fun theory but I don't believe it. Why? Has anyone seen Courtnely Love in the past couple years? Does she strike anyone as a criminal mastermind able to pull such a huge hit off?

As for people claiming to be approached by her to kill Kurt I would suggest checking out the new "true" crime book "The Iceman" about Richard Kuklinski (of HBO special fame) to see how much BS people can spit out when it comes to high profile deaths/murders.

i think it was pretty open an shut case there.he commited suicide im thinkin.i never herd anything about murder ever.this is news ta me.

if memory serves me corectly i dont think the cops  ever found finger prints on the gun
or the bullets.   that reason right there is what fules the conspiracy theory.    which, thinking about that,
it makes you wonder a little.   but we will probably never know for sure.      we only have opinion.

Kurt was in a terrible mental state. His entire existence had been turned into what he resented about society by the media and even his fans, he must have felt as if everything he was, was a lie. Courtney is a crazy bitch no doubt, but Kurt probably killed himself.

she hired some1 to do it.. you don't need to be the sharpest knife if you got someone to plan it.

sounds like kert was one f****d up human being

i think he was murdered and its the biggest cover up ever!!

Well, right behind Elvis being alive, Jim Morrison being alive, Paul is Dead, JFK was killed by the CIA, Tupac is alive, MLK was killed by the gov't, RFK was killed by the gov't for fear he would win the Presidency, Catcher in the Rye was written by J.D. Salinger who was in the CIA when younger and in it researched subliminal messeges and mind control (along with the first Pres. Bush), hence the reason people go crazy after reading his book, we never did land on the moon it was all videotaped in the Nevada desert...

OK everyone go read this site! http://www.cobaincase.com

Cobain killed himself
Courtney Love pushed him to it.
At least, that's my guess.

Splash

/Mike

The argument goes Kurt was so drugged up on heroin at the time of his death that he wasn't physically able to lift a shotgun and use it...

If he was murdered or not, I don't care...the important is that he's dead and will never come back!! :beer:

Therefore someone else did it.

My belief IS that Courtney hired a hitman... and wrote the last bit of Kurt's "suicide" note... because if you read it all except the last bit, it just sounds like a letter of resignation... quitting the world of music. Quitting Nirvana.
But what Courtney added makes it sound like a suicide note.

Yep, and it was me.

Somebody should use the search function.

Do u guys realise how fucked up Cobain was towards the end of his life? He had a $400 a day drug habit and problems just staying upright on stage. IMO it's perfectly possible he killed himself.

Read his biography. It's very interesting.

Yeah, that suicide note is whats always gonna make people wonder what really happened. Fuck the drugs. The longer you use drugs, the higher tolerance you have. What might kill one person might not even get him high. It all comes back to that note. The writing is different in the last verses. Not just the style of writing, but the actual handwriting itself.

I was always surprised how quick they shut this case.

check out some books or the documentary Kurt and Courtney


also this is the most comprehensive internet source for the case, it has video files, news clippings and audio files of events that transpired.

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/

after watching the documentary and going over some of that site I'm still of the opinion that he killed himself :'(

BTW Markus Asraelius posted that website 2 months ago here

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31600.0

and there was a big discussion about it then so you can check that thread too ;)

people.. kill them selves.. shit happens

I have read the official biography of Kurt many times and in my opinion he commited suicide. He was so fucking depressed and unhappy and doing enough herion daily to kill a horse.

The sad thing about Kurt's suicide is that a lot of troubled kids really admired him, and his death just confirmed to them that there is no hope in this crazy world.

yeah me too...on the surface it does look suspicious but the more you get into it and sift through the history...kurt talked about dying before he reached thirty for a long time...and he seems to have had a hard time coping with the success of Nirvana

Because she has "friends" up high in the pig squad... she knows she'll go to jail if the truth comes out, so she bribes her "friends".

::) They won't reopen the goddamn case cuz of her!

i believe kurt cobain was murdered!

why?

cos one the way he was supposed to have shot himself with the shotgun would be very difficult for anyone to do let alone if they were smacked up to the eyeballs.

secondly the door to where he was shot was locked from the outside not the inside.

3,the guy that claimed courtney tried to pay him turned up dead the night before he agreed to tell all.he said that courtney offered him 50 grand to kill kurt.

and also just because shes a crazy bitch anyway and i always had a hunch.

and kurt was actually in good spirits before he died,alot of people were surprised as they thought he was doing good.

courtney loves own dad said he is sure that she did it.

they are just some of the reasons!

Kurt Cobain was killed
with cocaine. Now shut the fuck
up and don't complain...

...this is not a game...

...oh, and every time I shit I feel terrible pain... :-\

You're a certified rhymenaecologist.


I thought his death was confirmed as a suicide. He left a note behind.

Sorry.

cocaine?what the fuck are you on about?do you not know the difference between heroin and cocaine?

Kiss my big toe, booger face! >:(!

...jesus... :(...I'm only trying to fit in...make new friends...

... :crying:...

Woe is me ad infinitum... :'(

I thought you were here to give people new names.   ???

What's my new name?

It's not Smelly Turtle... that's mine   >:(

...

That is one of the main arguments in the "Kurt was murdered" theory but experts have said a junkie like Kurt would have built a tolerance to the heroin. So it is possible he could have used  the gun.

I used to think he was murdered but now I think he killed himself.

Thanks for calling me an expert. :rofl:

He may have built a tolerance to the heroin, but not enough to be able to operate a gun... especially one that he was said to have used... he would have had to have pulled the trigger with his little toe... and uh, NO ONE with shoes on could do that, and in that photograph through the door, you can plainly see that he is wearing his trademark converses. AND there were no fingerprints found at all on the gun, meaning that whoever last used it wiped it down before leaving...

Its so obvious he was murdered. He may have been depressed and a complete smackhead, but he didn't kill himself. Whoever killed him knew he was depressed and that if killed correctly, the police and press would have no reason to believe that he didn't kill himself...

The deviousness of some people scares me slightly.... :nervous:

To everyone that thinks he was murdered: Did you consider his mental state? The guy had the classic suicide mentality. It makes sense that he would've killed himself.

I think it was suicide-not sure there were any signs he was going to leave Courtney-she would have gotten a huge chunk of money if they would have divorced anyway-Kurt Cobain would have made a ton of money had he lived-even if Nirvana had broken up soon like everyone thought, there would have been reunion tours, and so on like every other band-also, of someone wanted him dead why go through the trouble of staging a suicide, writing a suicide note-very depressed man with a lot of troubles-Duff was one of the last people to see him alive, talks about it

It wasn't a suicide note... it was quite a melancholy letter of resignation from Nirvana. The very last bit added on at the end is in different handwriting and makes the whole thing sound like a suicide note... which it isn't. In Courtney's rucksack that was searched through, there was a bunch of papers of what looked like Courtney trying to copy Kurt's handwriting and signature. If that isn't evidence I don't know what is!!

Also, it is little known, but apparantly Kurt wanted to do acoustic stuff after Nirvana had finished, and he also wanted to divorce Courtney... and I THINK delete her from his will...

I find it hard to believe Kurt would have been that emotionally troubled about leaving Nirvana-if he would have lost the passion for the band I think he would have gone solo and left-he was already dabbling in some solo stuff with Michael Stipe-the man overdosed in Rome earlier in the year-he was manic depressive, and throw heroin and drugs into the mix and that is basically a death sentence in itself

Well with a divorce Courtney would've gotten a lot of money, being in the will after that wouldn't even be an issue.

Courtney would have been entitled to a lot of money, maybe even some of his future earnings-alimony, child support (Kurt would not have been given custody of Frances Bean in his condition)-I'm also not sure Kurt had millions in the bank as most people believe

Something else along those lines that is rarely mentioned is how him and REM's Michael Stipe were going to do some sort of a project together. It was only mentioned a few times then, so I dont know if there are actual demos in existence or if it was just an idea in the planning stages.


Kurt was worth more dead than alive. As soon as grunge faded, his value would have dropped considerably. The "suicide" made him a legend up there with Hendrix, Joplin, Lennon,etc.

I'm with Skynyrdgirl on this one.

As Axl once said, I would be leery of anyone comparing Nirvana to the Beatles-the box set released pretty much ties up most of the unreleased music Nirvana had-I think Kurt will be legendary like them, but I'm not sure if there is much more money to be made off his name.

the thing that got me into believing the suicide theory...he actually was known to say that he was going to kill himself by 27...even before he became famous...there is one statement from a friend of his that actually states that he had his death planned out way long ago...i dunno if i saw it in the Kurt and Courtney movie or read it online :-\ but it was kinda freaky...

it's one of those unsolved mystery things...we won't know for a long time....if ever

and maybe he was at peace with himself in the final days so that made him seem happier thanhe was? i dunno it's a fucked up situation :'(

That reminds me of a certain quote.

"He died in a bizarre gardening accident. The police said it was better left unsolved..."

I have a feeling the truth is less exciting than we'd expect it to be.

Actually most people right before suicide are in a very calm state-although I know Kurt was messed up on drugs

Ahh but Neemo, Courtney Love, at a young age said something along the lines of ... "when I grow up I'm going to kill a rock star!"
I read that in "Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain"...

So basically again, both theories are possible...

And James Lofton... is agreeing with me....!!! :o *keels over backward in a dead faint*

Hmmm... touche  :-*

is it a good read? i have yet to read a book on the subject

Hehe! Touch? indeed!

And yea it is quite a good read, it makes ya think a lot! I also suggest the Cobain Case site... http://www.cobaincase.com
That was set up by the private investigator hired by Courtney to find Kurt after he escaped from the rehab clinic, so you know its legit!

Answer to thread, Yes Axl done it.

Personally.... I think anyone who believes Courtney killed Kurt is delusional.
Mainly the reason I believe this is a week before he killed himself succesfully with his brains splattered on the wall, he tried to kill himself in a hotel. Swallowed 60, lethal pop out pills in Rome. But the whole thing was covered up. And Courtney was no where near. Miraculously he survived. But then a week later, he escapes rehab, tries to phone Courtney, but can't reach her, retreats into his greenhouse and shoots his brains out.
Dude wanted to fuckin' die.
And look at Courtney... look how sad she is, seriously. people claim that she used Kurt for fame, for her band, but the truth is, back in the day, Hole was fuckin' good. She didn't even need to. It stood up on its own, and when they got together neither one was famous.
I think its just a really sad situation.
And look at the note people.... personally, I think the added on stuff looks like the same handwriting. But actually dudes, your emotions affect your handwriting. Lots of subconscious shit in the way you form letters. Dude was about to kill himself. I think it's the same writing.

yeah if anyone doesn't kill him, Axl will do it.
I remember in some footage when kurt fight with Axl. and Axl pointing a gun to kurt :hihi:.
Guys, let that guy Rest In Peace. I believe Axl already forgive him.

I think he killed himself.

If anybody is interested you should watch, ?True Hollywood Story? about Courtney Love, the two hour version. Very insightful into their relationship, how much they cared for each other and why Courtney is the way she is. (she had a messed up child hood)

Believe it or not, I was joking.

Depressed guy + drugs + gun + fact that Courtney Love wasn't there = SUICIDE. The end.? : ok:

I thought Courtney being there would be worse.

He committed suicide

Ignore the rumors

Fuck the Kurt Cobain signature fender, bring on the Kurt Cobain signature WINCHESTER.

A truly mind blowing product!!!  :hihi:

my god i hated that drug loaded piece of human debris

 :-\ :yes:

 :hihi:     do you also have contact to kurt cobain?

Stone Temple pilots wrote a song about Courtney love called Too Cool Queenie that is about Kurts suicide. Everyone should download it because Weiland knew Kurt and Courtney very well. Scott had a brief drug filled romance with Courtney around 97-98 but then decided he didnt like her.

In a sense, yes.

wasn't a gunner the last person to see cobain alive ? sort of a ..neighbour ?

Yea it was Duff... he sat next to him on the plane...

I thought so

I really don't know I think there's too much evidence against it to say "No he commited suicide and that's for sure". At the same time it's also likely he could've killed himself. I think the smartest thing to do would be to reopen the case. Then everyone can know for sure. For more information check

http://www.cobaincase.com/

and for other errieness go to http://www.justiceforkristen.com/

for more information involving courtney and kurt.

nah..the plot thickin'

New anwser to the thread:

 Slash is behind it all, thats why he wears a Top hat, to hide his shame.

of course.....   now everything finally makes sense....  that`s why slash wore a top heat in 1987 : ok:

courtney's band would've gone nowhere without cobain because he wrote most of the songs. and why did she release an album immediatly after he died? wasn't she trying to cash in on his death? and the note without the final part was written by him because he wanted to leave nirvana and courtney was against it because the money would stop rolling in. anyway, i kinda hate the bitch so i might be biased. she's a stupid crack-whore.

Top heat?

I think Grisum, Warrick, Nick, Catherine..... should investigate this!  :D

I think He tripped and fell on the bullet.

ok    now we?re even :hihi:

Oh, please

Next you're going to pretend you know the true story behind the Dallas assassination and the Philadelphia Experiment.

dude. maybe it's true that courtney has limited songwriting ability, but her band's songwriting was good. AKA, I know you hate the bitch, but Hole made a CD way before she met Kurt called Pretty on the Inside. It's very much punk influenced, and rock n roll. basically, it kicks ass.
And why would she kill Kurt for wanting to leave nirvana? it's not like he can make more music when he's dead.
She may indeed be a stupid crack whore. But she is also much more than that, including a great singer, and a legitimate, fuckin' real, female rock star.

-courtney's band Hole was going somewhere before kurt

-kurt didn't write most of the songs, he may have colaberated with her. (she may have even written nirvana songs when they colaberated)

-the record company released the album then not courney, wasn't her cashing in on his death

Any way try to watch the TV program 'True Hollywood Story - Courney Love' (2 hr version) it's a good show and will debunk many of the rumors you think are true, it's not biased either.

Kurt killed himself. The pressures of being married to Courtney may have had something to do with it. She's a nut job. Kurt had his fair share of issues.

Too bad, the guy was brilliant.

You know it's legit?? That's a joke! This dude has an agenda and only presents the facts that supports his theory. It's highly biased and should be taken with a grain of salt.