Here Today... Gone To Hell!

check the article here:
http://www.lsionline.co.uk/news/story.asp?ID=D3LW54

at the end, it says:

I'm glad GNR had a successful European tour, cuz I like GNR . . . but after travelling out to Vegas in 2001 and watching the band live in 2002 . . . I'm not sure I have much interest in hearing Welcome to the Jungle then the same old set list back in the good old US of A. . . adding "Better" just doesn't do it for me.

I'm a hardcore GNR fan but only a new set list, not necessarily CD either, I'm talkin - Estranged, Civil War, Don't Cry, Dead Horse, Coma, Garden of Eden . . .

At this point, it seems a like Broadway-esqe to me . . . same act every night.

i as well would like to see them change things up a bit with the u.s. tour. 

true.

You gotta give people what normal people want. And that does not include Coma and Garden of Eden. They could take out a few AFD numbers and include Civil War or Dead Horse...

Oh...Dead Horse....  :hihi:

will people get it into their heads, more illusion songs just arent going to be played!!!

new gnr need to make this band their own, they aint gunna do it playing old stuff!!!it would just take the piss outa robin and the rest of the band


IT AINT GUNNA HAPPEN

Are you attending every show?
I envy you.

It seems to me that each night was not quite like other nights. different show time, song order/ solos/ jams/ covers, comments, happenings, nuisance, TD, etc. the songs eap new ones would be/sound different each time played live.

damn, you can always guess what way a topic will go here  :hihi:

I saw them 4 times this tour (+ pukkelpop) and i still wish i had gone to more (stupid money)

Every show was a different setlist for me!
But that doesn't even matter to me, i love every song as long as it's played intensly : ok:

No.

But, I have read every set list and there isn't a lot of variety.

One song. That's all I'm asking. Play Coma. Or, play estranged.

I think members have become arrogant here. Would it really hurt to take a suggestion, before you tell the hardcore fans to take a walk?

I'm not saying Axl is the antichrist or the band sucks.

If I were an artist, I would want to know what the audience wants. I think new and old fans can be satisified.

Im sorry but you must be living in a completely different world than most of the people here.

You're asking to be disappointed.

I love how these people complaining about the setlist haven't been to a show on the '06 tour.  What are you just imagining you're not having a good time?

Sorry, if I insulted you Axl. If you could, please do not play any songs from Illussion. Apparently, this is what your martyrs want. Sorry for the suggestion. I apologize if I liked Bad Obsession in 1992 or Estranged in 1993. Don't play them again.

Look, this thread has nothing to do with the setlist.

Let's keep it that way.


/jarmo

There will be a US tour. I think that has already been mentioned many times.

It will start end of Sept and go on for three months

What is this a tour for? Or will this info be included in the long awaited announcement?

What do you think the tour is for?

making money?? promoting a cd?

I would love to think it is for Chinese Democracy. However I saw a similarly named tour in 2002, so I guess I don't know.

Something like that  :hihi:

>:(  Money can't buy me love.  (but CD.)

Ditto, but maybe it is in there?

he wrote  "something like that :hihi:"

I guess we'll have to be patient... :hihi:

I think this tour is for unloading all the Chinese Democracy shirts from 2002. Sorry, I've already got one. Is this going to be a theatre tour? That would be a good move if the album isn't going to be out quite yet.

I am pretty sure it is an arena tour.

Don't agree. I think the majority of people that will support the new band during a US tour are pretty much the die-hards. The die-hards have been wishing for more Illusion tunes Exactly like Coma and Estranged for a long time. ?I hope it's the best of Appetite - the best of the Illusions - and a shitload of Democracy tracks - that , to me would be an exciting show

to GNFNR I fixed it for you. :P

the "die hards" are the people on the internet forums...... and that`s not the majority of people going to the shows...  they couldn`t even fill one single arena : ok:

Agreed, but I think most people believe that this tour will not sell out in markets other than Toronto, NYC, LA etc.. without a new album

It would be nice if they tell us in advance if they're going to play the same setlist that they've been playing. I don't want to waste my money going to see the band if it's going to be the same set list I heard in 2002 and 2006. This tour will go tits up if they play arenas in North Amereica, again, without an album, and Axl goes on stage late every night.

Fixed

so will we get a single or an announcement before the US tour?

There is no answer to that right now

It depends what happens in the next few weeks

Well, at least its not a NO!

ok thanks man.....

not quite the answer i hoped for though....   i hope axl knows what he`s doing. and i hope he does remember the year 2002....

How can they expect to do a North American arena tour without an album or single. Nothing has changed here since 2002. If the North American tour is going to be New York, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, and Los Angeles, it will do fine, but if they want to play more cities then that they'll have to release the album.

If a November release is to be expected, that is still almost a 3 month tour with no album (sep, oct, part of nov.) I think that just an official release date may be enough to sell tickets though. And before anybody starts, this is not 1991 when Gn'R was one of the biggest bands in the world. Back then they could tour for months before the Illusion albums and sell out every show. Not gonna happen in 06.

I've seen this band in 2002 in Tacoma, after I talked my friends into going after the Vancouver riot. I saw the band again in 2006, opening night at The Hammerstein. I've seen the Appetite heavy set list twice now, and frankly i'm pissed off that we don't have an album release date or a single. Now, it looks like the band is on the verge of another North American tour, playing the same setlist, with no album or single. I must admit a part of me feels that  if they go through with touring this set list again in North America, they deserve things to go tits up. Does anybody else feel the same way? Nobody wants this band to make it huge more then me, but it still pisses me off the way they've gone about things. 

Honestly, Mattattack, I have to disagree.  They CAN do another tour in the U.S. without an album, because the big-city shows will be sold out, and the smaller cities haven't seen this tour yet. 

However, I do agree with you that if they play NYC again, they have to change up the setlist.  I'd probably go see them three more times, because I'm a huge fan, but I would be a little disappointed if it's the same setlist.

Mysteron, what will it take to get a release date/single?  Is the timing not right?  Waiting for Christmas?

If I take Axl some chicken soup, will it help our cause?  :hihi:

AND...are any warm-up shows planned for August/early September?

Neverending patience  ;)

i`m still a little afraid if axl?s able to make it this time...  i mean 3 months US tour...


WE NEED A SINGLE OR CD!!!

 :peace:

single in september probably.
and CD in november.

then a worldwide tour to promote it and increase the sales.

Horseshit - If they announced a concert date at Madison Square Garden - it would sell out in 1/2 hour : ok:

the "die hards" are the people on the internet forums...... and that`s not the majority of people going to the shows...  they couldn`t even fill one single arena : ok:


NO offense to anyone here, but this view is a little short-sighted. I'm a f*cking die-hard and had been reading this site for a few years before I ever even registered.
Not everyone is as computer-literate as you, and not everyone enjoys going to web-sites - the die-hards can certainly be these guys as well as anyone who's lives have been affected by the music -  To look at a "newbie" on this board and label them as being any less a fan of the band than you is crap.

calm down dude...

all i tried to say is, that the die hards aren`t able to support an entire tour or cd sales. i said nothing about being a better fan than anyone or shit like that. i suggest re-reading my post : ok:

calm down dude...

all i tried to say is, that the die hards aren`t able to support an entire tour or cd sales. i said nothing about being a better fan than anyone or shit like that. i suggest re-reading my post : ok:

I mis-understood, my friend - Sorry -

Yeah, I hear you , you're probably right about the entire tour, but certain venues will sell out real quickly, and the Cd is gonna sell enormously, I believe.

They can support one tour per continent without the album, but no more, and only if they stick to the big cities.  Anything beyond that and they'll need to be playing in support of the released album.

Its high time we got an album. We've been patient for long enough.

I don't see how the next few weeks can determine whether it comes out in the tour or not.

IMO they should stay put until the release process is underway, then start touring. I'm sure a lot of US fans would agree with that.

Anyone in their right mind would probably agree with that.

Well the very fact its even being discussed is worrying.

Does anyone think the songs could have been mixed / mastered whilst the band was on tour?

Probably not as Axl would likely have wanted to be there.  He may have left it in the hands of someone he trusted, of course.

You also have to remember that they don't want to lose the momentum they have off the back of the triumphant campaign in Europe.

So basically Axl has the next month and a half to finish the album.  Axl - get busy!  It would be a mistake to start selling tickets to the US shows without a press release about CD.  Enough time has passed to do this thing with the utmost professionalism and market savyness.  Axl on the cover of rolling stone would be historic.  Please don't fuck this up again!

i think the tour will kickoff september 23rd @ inland invasion, and it's supposed to last through december, so maybe it'll wrap up on new year's eve in NYC.

i see the cd coming out in mid november.

Dude, no offense but there is no momentum. ?99.8% of the people living in the US have no idea that GNR just toured Europe. ?They need to release new material before they tour again. ?They might sell out NYC, but they'd play to a 3/4 empty arena in Orlando. ?The setlist is so old and tired its not funny. ?Until they release an album, its like being a die hard fan of the Beach Boys or Jimmy Buffet or Neil Diamond where they play the same set show after show, year after year, decade after decade without new material released.

I want so bad to go see them again (saw them in 2002), but no way I'm gonna do it to see the set lists we saw in Europe. ?I want at least 60% CD songs in the setlist after its release.

Mysteron, you are always so vague, yet you write in such a way that it makes people think you know specifics. ?Please let us know what could possibly happen in the next 3 weeks that could decide if there is an announcement before Septemebr or not. ?Seems to me they've had plenty of time to think things through. ?Certainly Merck has some intelligence and knows material needs to be announced/released before touring the US> ?

^^ maybe they'll do the VMA's and we'll get the announcement then.

Only with an album, We have been there, done that, in 2002. No one is that stupid. You are talking about gnr as the main band with 1 opener. These are not european festivals with 10 bands, If people were not really interested in 2002, than nothing has been done to chage there minds yet. The only way to tour usa with nothing new, is to re-unite. That would generate interest, or option 2: release cd, than you have a reaseon to tour.

As much as I can't stand ambiguity, at least it sounds like positive ambiguity...I'll take it.   :beer:

I dont get this whole "GNR cant tour without CD" attitude. Seriously, Axl could tour forever on AFD alone and be able to turn over a profit for the rest of his life by doing it. Most of the people at the concert arent there for the new stuff - Axl is lucky enough there are a few people in the world excited for it.

I also saw them four times back in May at NYC. I also wish I can see them more. The setlist doesn't mean much to me also. it's great seeing them live.

Mysteron, when the Hammerstein shows went down, was there any mention of future forum member pre-sales?  ;)

I've seen them in 02 & 06, and quite frankly, I'm going again no matter what the set list is...mainly because I didn't take the lady last time and she wants/needs a Guns fix.  Oh, and I love to see Axl do the one leg hop dance.  F'n sweet.

I cannot begin to express how big a mistake it will be to initiate a tour of the United States without an announcement regarding a single/album release. Are they touring on the backs of the leaks? What exactly does the media make of this if there remains a vaccum of information. The lessons learned from 2002 should clearly be understood: with a new line up of players, GnR cannot consistantly fill up arenas without material to promote. It didn't happen in 2002, why exactly would it suddenly work this time?

Frankly I am a bit distressed at the situation. At the very least, package up IRS and stick that out as a radio single. Get the promotion machine going. No new material on the radio=big marketing mistake. If we thought the critics in Europe  were harsh, just wait. There are N permutations of mick wall just waiting to exit an American GnR show at the first technical delay, full review in hand.