Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I don't think anyone really understand what his place in GNR is. He is simply a role member. If he left, GNR would be done, as people have mentioned before.

Some people don't like his work on the old songs. You have to think that Slash and Robin are two completely different guitarists. Their styles don't fit. Yes, I agree that he does mess up the old songs a bit, and that Richard should take those lead parts, he'd restore them to glory, but Finck is just too good of a guitarist to just fire. His new work on Democracy would be almost impossible to recreate for ANY guitarist. THis is why Axl got Finck, because his guitar work is just so original and complex.

Finck is cool. His solo on Better is one of the highlights of the new Gn'R. The Blues being another  :beer:

Slash is cool too  ;D

4 years ago i would have agreed that he messes up old songs. But after seeing him play this year id say hes improved majorly.

If he left it wouldn't be the end of gnr you dumbass. Axl said that Paul Tobias was the reason GNR still exist, and where is he now? And yes richard is a far better player than Robin.

Im not hating but nothing he has done is impossible to recreate or make better. He has passion for the project and thats always a good thing. He has his points and he has his set backs. The other guitarists can pick him up when he's off.

I don't really care and I hope Finck doesn't care... the only argument I hear is that he is not Slash - which he isn't and that that better originals play originals - which can not happen as Slash has left GNR. There is thread on this board bashing his SCOM playing and he nails that solo almost every single time... and add some in!

If Finck leaves maybe it wouldn't be the end of new GNR, but it would make a huge confusion... much more than when Buckethead left.

V

Yeah, Tobias kept GNR alive because when everyone quit on Axl, he was still there, but for fucks sake, he's not with them anymore, so enough about him.

Finck is now the new backbone of the band, along with Tommy.

they all are  : ok: ... except maybe bbf for now

one thing is to recreate, and invent is something else.

who is a greater genious, Edison who made the 1st lightbulb, or some dickhead that made a bigger lightbulb?!

Yeah, that's true :peace:

Who said anything about Finck leaving? That was never a possibility! ?:confused:

It's an honour to have him in the band. I love his work in NIN and I love his work in GNR.

Finck rules! ?8)

How do you know or are you just going by the demos?

Robin wrote Better.  Enough said.  And I did always dig his work on tour with NIN even though to my knowledge he never played on any of Trent's records.  His style is complex and emotional.  I've never heard him actually talk.  I don't think he communicates that way.  After all he is "from an undiscovered planet" far far away. 

i think Finck has done a good job with the old songs, if you go to newgnr.com and listen to SCOM from Hammerstein, to me its his best version of it. ?Based off what we heard from Better and TWAT, Im definitely glad he is in the band, he's been part of this line up since 97, so if he goes, GNR is in trouble, i think the main core of this line up is Axl, Tommy, Finck, and Fortus.

He only played on "Further Down the Spiral" - best NIN album IMO.

Robin is my alltime favorit guitarplayer! He belongs to GNR ! Thats for fucking sure..

Tell me, do you play guitar fluently? You should be able to tell just what I'm talking about. His solos on the demos and live are so complex it's just ridiculous. They are so well thought-out and very strongly composed. I don't think anyone could recreate his work on the album OR the demos. Well, maybe the demos. :)

I bet Finck lost the only copy of "chinese democracy" when he went to that planet for a vacation back in 2001, and theyve been lookin for it ever since.

Isn't this dead horse ? No hurt intented :peace:

I am really happy that Robin Finck is in GN'R. I love the solo he wrote for TWAT and The Blues, and apparently we need to thank him fot bringing Better to the band. I sure hope he will be in for a long time an gets the credit he deserves.

Yeah, Finck is so unreplaceable he is only the 3rd best guitarist (out of 3) in his own band.

The demo of TWAT with Bucket and without is proof positive that Robin Finck is not skilled enough a guitar player to truly be a lead guitarist for GNR. He is too limited. He is not capable of writing an outro like Bucket did, and without it the song is average. Same goes for IRS, without Bucket the song is average.

The argument for Finck on this board revolves around "he wrote Better". Izzy was a good writer in the studio too, didn't mean they stripped Slash of his lead guitar duties. Finck should be nothing more than a rythm player who should be seen and not heard.

I don't care if Finck leaves.

I don't play the guitar...I just don't know how you can judge his work by the demo's. Weren't some of the solo's Bucketheads?

I'm a big fan of Robin Finck, I'm sure whatever comes out whenever will be awesome!  8)

Finck is amazing. His solo's in the new songs are fucking unbelivable. I've heard some boots where he really fucks up on the new songs, and then some boots where he fucking OWNS them. When they start getting a CD-dominated setlist, he's gonna tear shit up. I can't wait for the public to see this band. CD is going to change everything for these guys. Buckethead, and Richard so damn good too. Man, if Bucket came back... this would be the best line-up EVER.

I hear that Efish! I hear that! Bucket would be great, not that BBF isn't bad, but I think Bucket is a lot better.

He is the 3rd best lead guitarrist of his own band but by far the most emotional  ;) His work as composer in Gn?R is unique and irreplaceable and his solos on The blues and Better are passioned and amazing. Robin rules  :)

I am sure about 99.9% of the GNR fan base would take Izzy/Slash duo over those 3 any day of the week and twice on Sundays if given a choice. One only needs to look at their back catalog to see why.

Axl is the only person who is irreplaceable.  The current line up is very talented and they sound great, but its not like there aren't other talented musicians who couldn't come into this thing and tear it up.  yeah, there is something to be said for chemistry, but if Robin or Tommy or Brain left, GNR would just evolve and survive. 

Are these dumbass threads ever going to end??? This band is playing some kick ass music and are sounding amazing, why on earth would you want to go through another guitarist left, time to delay Chinese Democracy 2 more years.  Robin is amazing, and in his own unique way brings another element to this lineup. So if you dont like him fine, then sit on the left side of the stage so you dont have to watch him.

Oh well, he was replaced yesterday...
That proved that it is not impossible to replace Axl.

Finck owns on twat. And dont go by that first version without BH, that is like going by the acoustiic nov rain, saying slash sucks. BH just added that noodling at the end. Robin plays most of the solo in TWAT

If Bucket comes back this could be one of the greatest bands ever assembled.

I go by the version without Bucket because it shows that without a superior guitarist in the band, we would have gotten that first version because Finck is not capable of playing an outro like that. GNR never used to have to bring in a 3rd guitarist to take songs to the next level, because the lead guitarist of the band was capable of that on his own.

I agree completely with you.  Finck is awesome, the last solo on Better is just so amazing and fits with the song perfectly.  Kind of like Slash did in the past, even though they're completely different guitarists.

OFF TOPIC : Please check your PMs Mobenrad.

Robin should just return to hes old position; Being Trent's bitch ( ?;) ). Robins a great studio musician, but not too good on live atmosphere...

i know finck is important to axl, so he won't leave. that said it doesn't matter if you like it or not but:

*finck is not a great player, he is good, but not great. fortus and thal are much better than him
*his live solos are crap, they have no soul nor melody nor...anything
*i really wanted to see them playing twat live because i love its guitars, i was lucky enough to see them play it and i was disapointed with the bad job he made

well i could say a lot of things but it all resumes to this: he should not leave but he is not good enough to be the lead guitar player, he deserves to be in the band but fortus and thal should lead, that's all.

The short version of TWAT has robin doing the outro you know that right

Bucket's outro ( TWAT long version) starts with the wah wah at 4:22 and carries the song out. Finck couldn't play that in a million years. His solo is nice but not close to as epic as Bucket's.

Just listen to IRS without the vocals, finck is all over that and he amazing. You can even hear fincks underlying guitar on the TWAT version with no vocals, its amazing

Yeah, and the short version doesn't hold a candle to the longer one with Bucket. You know that as well as anyone on this board. Finck's guitar playing is too limited to take the song to that level.

why cant we just keep the band the way it is???
 im sick of hearing people say "oh 'someone' has to go"
try and remember its not up to you

People dont give Finck enough credit. That is all i am saying. I love what BH did with TWAT but the short version without his wah wah is still very good.

Dave, I think Finck is pretty solid and definitely a great heavy riffer like on Irs. His solos on the Blues, Better, CD and TWAT are nice as well. But, I have to agree with Naupis that Gnr songs need an epic quality to them and I am not sure Finck is capable of that. I too see him more as a rhythm player with the ability to play some complimentary solos. Don't get me wrong, I am definitely happy with him in the band. I dig him. :beer:

Finck is good at writing songs and riffs, but is a crappy soloist. Bucket is good at soloing and is the yin to Robins yang.

You hit my point on the head. With Finck as the lead guitarist without a true talent behind him we would be relegated to good, but average songs. Imagine NR stopping before the big ending with the last solo. It would still be a good song without it, but not the epic it became. The New GNR songs we have heard are in the same situation without someone like Bucket to lift them up. Goods songs, but nothing that will be talked about 15-20 years from now the way the GNR back catalog currently still is.

buy the NIN live DVD.

richard should be the lead guitar player.
and bbf is better than finck.
if finck is out of gn'r, i wouldn't miss him.

say what you want people....  without finck this new gnr is dead.

honestly, if he`d leave the band, my interest in this project wouldn`t be half as big as it is now. of course i`m a big axl fan, but over the years i`ve also become a big fan of the entire band, especially finck. he never let me down anyways.... i was one of the few people who stood behind him before he changed his look and image (some say he improved his playing...) this year.

he`s the guy who wrote better (does anyone remember the shit he got after the demos leaked?), all guitar parts in the blues, probably all guitar parts in twat and tons of stuff we haven`t heard of. i also tend to believe he wrote IRS.

i agree, his technical skills aren`t on the same level as bucket or richard`s , but in regards of emotion, creativity, style, look, stage presence, etc... , he`s definitely one of the best guitar players of the world. my faouritve guitar player anyways....
richard didn`t have the chance to write music for gnr and buckethead basically recorded some solos. you should remember that. robin however is in the band for 10 years now. please don`t get me wrong, i`m a huge buckethead fan and have some of his solo records, but i`d prefer finck any day.

but it`s not just about my personal opinion or his skills. robin is along with axl, dizzy, tommy and chriss the backbone of this band. if anyone of these guys mentioned left the band it`d be over. don`t say slash/izzy/duff left the band and it went on.... that`s not true..

after izzy left gnr, you could count the days until everything went downhill. i strongly believe it`s the same with this band. paul huge was just a temporary fill- in, while axl searched for the right one (richard). everyone here knows that, or should know that at least. bucket was a huge loss, but a gain for the chemistry of the band....  i`d take him over bumblefoot any day of the week though...

i guess some of you are gnr fans since the early days, so it doesn`t matter to you who`s in the band as long as axl`s there... the old members left anyways...however, this is a new band and any member is as important as the whole. it was the same with the old band and izzy`s departure is proof of that :peace:

this band exists since 2000 :peace:

Yeah!  :rant:

Finck...get the fuck out. :smoking:

Finck is the izzy of this new gnr.

NIN was never about the solos and I've seen them live. I don't know what you will prove to me if I saw this DVD.

Finck rules! He has unique style that fits the new songs and he plays the old songs very well. We don't need anymore lineup changes.

I like the dude but after hearing the leaks i have serious doubts about his songwriting skills. Better is pretty good but somehow it doesn't have that edge and chemistry GnR use to have.   

You have no idea how much I agree with you on that, that's why I made this topic, to clear up that he's staying and with every reason.

I wasnt too keen on him but i was impressed yesterday...I think he must be critical to writing though!

Hey man, I kinda know what you're saying. But I doubt you can tell me the solo he performs on "Better" is NOT the climactic epic part of the song.

Yes, as it was already said: Finck's style is unique. I don't want him to leave, he adds a bit of something to the band. But regarding the actual playing, I think Thal and Fortus can do much better than him. Not saying he's not good, just saying that GNR has some great guitarists.

Or possibly too many??

Just kidding, I'm probably gonna get bashed now...

Not by me... I agree with you. But if Axl says the band needs 3 of them.........

...if Axl says the band needs 3 of them..........so it shall be... :hihi: :hihi: :rofl:

He's just a sloppy guitarist.  On the old and new songs.   The way Frank has come in and played and the way people finally started to admit that Brain would fuck up during YCBM just shows that 98% of the posters on this board will just sackride whoever is currently in the band.  Only when they are no longer in the band will the admit the truth.  And no I'm not saying Frank replaced Brain.

And why is that? He wrote one mediocore (im gonna get hanged for this, but that is the truth) pop-metal tune? (which isn't even released)
He has a long road ahead to come the "Izzy of the new-gnr"
Btw Dave, this is not the way to get more credit for Finck. Unfortunately YOU can't decide it.

If Finck left, Thal became the lead guitarist and Fortus was the rthym/lead on some songs...it would be perfect.

I still don't see the point of 3 guitar players.  And out of the 3, Finck is the least talented.  He may have the best stage presence but when Axl W fucking Rose is your frontman you don't need a guitarist with a great stage presence...

Slash was far from the best guitar player in the world in 1987, but he was still perfect for GNR at the time.

Finck stays. He makes this band what it is...not Fortus just because he moves cool or Ron Thal just because he's
a nice guy.

Finck is the man.

That's a laughable notion at best. Finck can right an ok song, can't solo on the old GnR material to save his life, and aside from the Blues has yet to impress me with his lead playing on the new stuff. I don't know what it is about his solos that irritate me so much. I think it's a combination of his really whacky vibrato and the way he can't ever seem to get through his November Rain solo without completely butchering within an inch of it's life.

I've thought about Fortus leaving, but not Finck... Actually, your idea makes a lot more sense than mine. Fuck, you said everything!

No one is leaving.  8)

Not true... It seems that only Axl is leaving for now.? : ok:

He just had that something special. He became the rock god of the moment. Magazines stopped having covers of current guitar gods like Ritchie Sambora and Mick Mars etc. and flocked to Slash.

That fucking grunge movement killed the guitar god.

That may be true, but by 1988 SCOM put him on the map from then until eternity. Robin has been in the band 10 years now and can still barely play it, let alone ever create something that has come close to the genius of it.

 ::)

When I see Robin Finck on a "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" lists, I'' refer to him as the man

I guess we're on the same page.? I wrote just that in another thread? : ok:


Well said!

you are being unfair.

regardless of who is the most skilled, Robin has gained his right to be an irreplaceable part of this band. He is the one guitarist that stood by Axl and believed in his project and vision for almost a decade now.. the one guy that put dedication and brought new ideas to the project when everybody else gave up and left Axl alone..

he is also the one that seems to have been involved the most with the composition and writing of this album.

all of the above can't be spoken of Richard or Bumble, not even Bucket.. so I think that says it all.

It's easy to dismiss the least skilled, but you are being unfair and shallow, you are only seeing in the surface, the face the band shows us, the live shows, but in reality, you don't know in the privacy of the band who really IS the most important out of the 3.. I tend to believe Robin is the irreplaceable one.

He has already left before.

Robin Finck is just one cool motherfucker. Those who diss him are incorrect and should be booked into correctional clinic for 'enlightenment'.

He may have stood next to Axl through it all but I think he may be the reason that the new GNR is widely excepted.  Not only that but what do we know what he wrote on the CD?  Better?  Axl said it was a "Robin song".  That implies that Robin wrote it but did he say that?  No, and afer following GNR for must of my life I tend not to take anything Axl says unless he is FLAT OUT SAYING IT.  Remember when CD was coming out in 2002 but Axl said "I dont know if soon is the word".  Can you honestly tell me that you think Robin had a part in writing TWAT, Catcher in The Rye, Maddy, The Blues (which I read a while bac, like 2002, that Zakk Wylde helped write that song)? 

I loved Robin when he was in NIN.  But he is not a rock guitarist....

yeah but I have my doubts on what could have happened if he didn't come back.. I do remember one interview with Brian May where he said Axl had asked him to help him cuz Robin had left and he was hopeless about the future of the album without him


anyway, Robin is the most charismatic of the new guys, and I wouldn't be so off if I say half of the fans renewed their interest on this new lineup thanks to him..

I think he's great.

Am I the only one that hopes this current line-up stays the same for many years??

With either Frank or Brain on drums...

I really like this line-up  : ok:

No.  ;D

You can't argue taste.

i seriously missed brain in holland. he kicked fuckin ass at rar : ok:



it`s an interpretation....  i like finck`s solos on the old song. the november rain and scom ones are great imo.


that`s purely a matter of taste dude : ok:


i completely agree with everything you just wrote! aside from axl he`s the most important part of this band.


yeah... he wanted to tour with NIN, while axl was doing nothing and came back thereafter.

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Can you honestly tell me that you think Robin had a part in writing TWAT, Catcher in The Rye, Maddy, The Blues (which I read a while bac, like 2002, that Zakk Wylde helped write that song)?
he reportedly wrote the guitar lines of the blues ( the solo for damn sure as well...)

maddy was written by axl, but he wrote better. the guitar lines during the verses in twat are his work, too. i think he wrote IRS as well. and all his great solos on the new songs....  well...  i love them to say the least...

anyways... we don`t exactely know what he wrote, except for his solos and better, but i believe it`s a decent part of the new gnr`s song catalog.

To answer original question :

No, i don't want Finck to leave.

Actually, let me clear this up----

Robin did not write I.R.S., or at least the riff in any way. It was all the work of Paul Tobias. Same with "Oh My God".

Really?? Tobias actually did something when he was in the band? I didn't know that!

 :hihi: :hihi:

I don't want Robin to leave..he ruless!  8)

Robin is the best guitarist in that band.   He's the perfect lead guitarist for GNR.  : ok:

Not me.  Robin kicks ass! 

 :beer:

Okay, what the hell, why did I get negative karma for a fucking smiley only post? Pathetic...

You have a source for this?  First I've heard of Paul Huge writing IRS.  Cuz if he did I'll like him a whole lot more...........

Where's Finck gonna go? Start his own band?  :rofl:

You got it, because it's against the rules, and those kind of posts just fucking annoy me.

I'd be lying if I said that I'd rather have Robin than Slash.  It's really no contest.  Slash wins every time.

Having said that, Robin seems to be a pretty good writer.  That's really what is most important.  Good writer = good music.  Accurate playing with poor writing skills = shit songs.  The Blues, first TWAT (not to mention the second, but that was Bucket), and Better solos are great.  He really fucks up some of Slash's classic solos live, but I am much more concerned with the quality of the material on the forthcoming album.  I have reason for optimism on that front and I look forward to hearing more of Robin's stuff.

You gotta take the good with the bad when it comes to Finck, and I think the good might be worth it in the end.

Anyways, it's too late now for a change of this magnitude.  The album is almost out...this band ain't going to change much anytime soon so we best get used to it.  Some members might be expendable, but not one who has contributed as much as Robin.  Guys who's writing contributions are relatively small are the only ones who might leave.

I definitely don't want him to leave.  i love Better and the Blues and who knows what other stuff he has written. he was very impressive this tour on guitar, he has improved a lot and is only gonna get better. 

This I can agree with.  It may be harsh for me to judge Finck as a whole until CD comes out.  But my opinion won't change that he is a very sloppy live guitarist...

Finck is really cool...I like him but I don't like to compare him to any other guitarist....


And I'd like to see Fortus doing more lead

he and dizzy were the only guys in the studio for a looong time`and wrote lots of music together (oh my god, silkworms...)   that was also when shaq joined them....

but i don`t know about paul writing the IRS main riff... oh my god yeah.... but IRS??   where do you know that from?

I've never seen anything about who wrote the IRS main riff.    But I think Tommy has been there about as long as Robin as.

Why do people keep saying Robyn fucks up Slash's solos?  He doesnt fuck them up he just plays them differently, with his own style.

If he wanted to play note for note he could, but that would be lame.

Not even Slash played note for note. 

Its not a fuck up just because it is not exactly like the rercord. :no: : ok: :peace:

If anyone feels like talking shit about Robin screwing up the good old Solo's that Slash did so well, and don't get me wrong here, I love Slash, but just go compare the solo in My Michelle from Robin during Donnington, to Slash's from Live Era. Slash's appears pretty boring next to Robin's in the song.

Old stuff - Robin not up to it technically, there is no question here

New stuff - very different and like his style, looking forward to concerts now, mainly made up of new songs and less old stuff.

Finck to stay

I love Robin Finck!  I think he's an amazing guitarist, he should stay without a doubt.

No, there's me too : ok: And a whole lot of others :yes:

Robin should stay, and he almost definitely will. Being a guitarist in GNR is a good paying job, and you don't have to tour much for it.

Finck is definitely the worst guitarist that GN'R ever had. But maybe Paul Huge was worse...

This is not just an empty opinion. Judging the guitar skills whitout any example would be sick so everyone who thinks Finck is great at guitar should listen to:

- The second solo in It's So Easy, one with Buckethead from for exaple Boston 2002 and the new one by mr Finck from one of the 2006 shows.
- My Michelle solo by Buchethead (2002) and by Robin (2006)
- NR solo by Robin in 2002 and Richard in 2006


...or just ask some guitarist who is not listeing to GN'R to judge. I can't believe someone can say Finck is great.

BUT...
Robin is in the band from 1997 so he and Tommy are the most music influent mebmers of GN'R. I don't want him to leave. I tolerate him and maybe someday he will show us his writing talents... on ChD of coruse... :)

Why even start a threat like this, you're just asking for trouble. All you people want to do is annoy each other, by saying such and such a member should go or stay...god, this is such a dull subject, just let it rest. The band is the who the band is, it's not up to us, it's up to Axl and the band...

Finck is the heart of guns n roses, a great guitar player, and the only one who can put on a show to make you look away from Axl. he's the best. i love him, if he leaves, i'll go pay attention to what he's doin instead of what Gnr is doing. and if he leaves fortus may leave as well, cuz the guys are like brothers.

but i also think that only someone that knows shit about music and performance would want finck out.

the guy is responsible for Better, IRS the Blues and go knows what else! some of you gotta be retarted seriously...finck out? never! Finck rocks my sox!

I really like Robin, I think he's a great guitar player. There are some things he does well, and others, well he doesn't. But he's been through it all with Axl since '97, so IMO, he's a main part of GnR!

Before this tour, I didn't like Robin at all. He totally sucked on SCOM and I found his sound very anti-Gn'R, but now he does much better job and I love his work on the new songs. Still, Fortus is better : ok:

Finck has become a staple in this band..........

No you are retarted. Finck is the best stage guitarist ive ever seen. Who knows if the 99 DEMOS are even finished, you dont know if Finck cant write a goddamn outro. Bucket made the band better. But without Robin half of GNRs energy is gone.

If that is the case I suggest you get out and see some more concerts then, because you are living a very, very sheltered sheltered existance.

Fink is great. The dude has soul.

What i'd be interested in hearing is Rons contribution to the album (if any). Just not sure he adds anything to the live set.  Not over buckethead anyway. Can tell he's top class though and may be given the opportunity to shine working on new material.

Are we still on about this?  The guy has been as loyal to Axl and his vision as anyone else...He is the soul of this band.

I hate comments like this.  The only heart in GNR is Axl.  If ANYBODY else leaves and is replaced, he would get sack ridden like no other on this board.   This band goes as Axl goes.  If Robin left, you really think the band would disband? Or Axl would say fuck it? haha..

believe what you want dude....   

yep cos he would have to start all over again !! ::)

Very well said!  : ok: