Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I know you will all attack me for this but I have watched many of the youtubes posted for this song and robin is just awfull on these solos.. I know you're going to say it's "his" style or some bad recordings or whatever other excuse that can be though up..

Lets talk honestly, does he fuck up on these solos or not

You know when someone outside of the gnr world covers a gnr tune everyone is so brutally honest, but with new gnr it's like no one even mentions this..

What old tunes do you feel he's better at ,and what ones do you feel he butchers?

SCOM is just the easiest example for me...

He seemed just fine when he did it last night

he butchers all slash's stuff, not fincks fault, its just slash has a unuqie sound that is hard to acheive

I have seen him butcher others, but SCOM, he seems to nail. ?I can tell you this, the middle irs solo that has evolved, and one can see on the Manchester and Birmingham youtube clips, is dead on! ?

So far the two that first come to mind is scom and nr..

check on on newgnr.com, the SCOM from Hammerstein, its awesome, it was the best I ve ever heard finck play it.

I don't get this, the SCOM solo seems to me to be the one solo he NAILS just perfectly. ?:smoking:

Not the mid solo...

the two times iv heard it, he adds his own stuff into it which realy doesnt fit!!!its so easy is another solo he wrecks IMO

Yeah Slash's tone is what sets him apart from most. ?He has one of the richest tones I've heard. ?His stuff isn't actually that hard to play and it's all pretty basic scale wise......but it's the magic of the tone. ?The studio version of SCOM to this day is magic to my ears to hear the opening notes and solo. ?Apparently he used a knock-off Les Paul copy on that album to record it, but doesn't play with it live.

From what I've seen live, Finck does a decent job on it...I think he definitely wants to put his own style on it and his guitar has more of a looser sound to it. ?He seems to be a little bit more faithful than in 2002 (and mind you I'm only basing this on seeing one show from 2006 on AOL at that), but all in all I think he does well on the songs. ?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6-4Lf2roA7I&search=sweet%20child%20o%20mine%20solo

the quality is bad, but the song sounds different.. ?I'm not saying he always messes up, just saying many of the youtubes I've heard sound off during the mid solos

I really, really liked his SCOM solo in RIR3.

Then again, when I first saw him live in Helsinki, right before his SCOM solo I kept thinking 'don't screw it, don't screw it'. He started off ok and then did something so blatantly removed from the original, I realized he could've nailed it, if he wanted to. He just chose to use a different route. It's Finck's style, which I think doesn't quite lend itself to bootlegs. His sound's very emotional and goes great with the performance.

At the same time, I'll wager the record will feature a technically surprisingly skilled Finck.

If you're talking about the solos between the verses, that's Bumblefoot.

No I'm talking robin

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6-4Lf2roA7I&search=sweet%20child%20o%20mine%20solo

He does it good some nights and bad other nights i think.
By the way i have seen a LOT of bootlegs of Axl's new band, and Finck does tend to fuck up a lot of solos. It's so easy especially, sometimes SCOM, sometimes he fucks up the small solo in the middle of Live and Let die, (which i hate becuase its hard to improvise on such a small solo so he basically is fucking it up, and also if anyones seen any old boots when Slash did that small solo he got a huge cheer from the audience EVERYTIME!). The only one i've seen him play well regularly is My Michelle. (although he's fucked that one up too on occasion :confused:). And i hate the way people say he's technically gifted. Listen everyone, FUCK UP! I can play the live and let die solo, my mate can the SCOM solo to a tee and IT's so easy is simple, how anyone can start that off on the wrong note is beyond me. Now you want technically gifted you have to go to the Van Halens and the Paul Gilberts or the Hendrixs, not the bloody Fincks :hihi:

Mike, no offense, but why start a thread that you could write all the replies to..same thing gets said every time. Some like it, some don't. It's like arguing about Republicans and Democrats, North vs South,etc.....you Yankee son of a bitch! ;D just kidding on the last part. Yours truly, Johnny Reb :beer:

Care to explain that? It's not like people fuck around with the bootlegs to make it sound like he's fucking a solo up!

To be fair, if u're comparing Finck's playing with the studio version of SCOM, then nobody's going to come close... Only Slash can perfectly bend and at the same time apply the correct amount of wah to sound like that...

What the one Ron Thal has been doing?

Finck has been utterly brilliant on the European tour, the highlight of the two shows I went to (Donnington and Manchester). His stage presence is immense and he is a great guitarist. He puts so much energy into his performances and he has by far the most personality of any Guns guitarist. His 'style' that you mimic is his own. He isn't trying to be Slash. If he were he would stand still and bore everyone to death.

Don't make comments based on bootlegs and shitty mp3's of the shows. If you were there you would be thoroughly entertained by him. This current lineup is a far more entertaining stage act than any previous incarnation. As for SCOM, Finck plays this brilliantly.

Robin Finck is as much a part of GNR as anyone. Once CD is out and he is all over the music channels, he will be a superstar.

With that statement you just showed that you have NEVER seen the original GNR live, or anything Slash has done live for that matter. I think you're confusing him with Buckethead.

Actually watch some of the last bootlegs from 1993.....Slash either got really tired from the tour or didn't enjoy his job anymore because he got really lazy on that tour.  I remember him playing half of Nightrain at Argentina on his knees.  He moved around very little during the later shows.  And even in his recent VR days he doesn't move around nearly as much as he used to. 

He plays scom just like slash did. Why are we going here again?

Well I just wanted to hear what people thought, you can love a band and still give honest opinions, every review shouldn't be greatest show ever etc.. There has to be some thing off once in a while and it would be nice to hear about it..

No way dave.. Is eevryone deaf..?
He''s off on many afd tunes and NR at times

No, that's for the soundboard guys.  :P

What I meant was that one obviously relates to the music differently in a live setting than listening to a bootleg/SBD/official live recording. When I saw Finck live, he really seemed to bring something into the performance, which is hard to remove from that setting. Listening to the bootlegs later on, I've felt the rest of the band tends to sound pretty much the same, but Finck has something in him that's lacking in the boots more times than not.

Heres the thing, if Axl wanted someone who could play Slash's solos perfectly he couldve gotten a million guitar players.

Playing Slash's solos isnt a big deal anyone can play it but Axl wasnt looking for a Slash clone so he got Finck.

Finck's style is completely different from Slash and he isnt a lead guitar player as in a guitar player who's got the chops to pull off fairly challenging guitar parts.

The solos are shared by 3 guitar players mainly so no one can compare anyone to Slash. Before Slash was THE guitar now there really isnt any one guitar player that fans can latch on to like Slash.

Its blatantly obvious that Fortus and Thal are easily better guitar players and can cover Slash's solos with ease but even when they cover the solos they put their twist to it. The difference is when Fortus and Thal play it it sounds pretty awesome and when Finck plays it its excruciating to listen to.

Maybe, but he toured the world for 2 and a half years man!.

And he DOES move around still, I tell you he could run from one side of the stage to the other faster than Finck, (while doing a decent ITs so easy solo)

And you know what, having thought about it. Robin Doesn't run around THAT much either!

I actually think we've gotten some fairy unbaised reviews from the tour. ?A lot of them are saying it's the greatest show ever because well it's probably the only show they've been to. ?But still...a lot of reviews have said the solos slowed down the show a bit and I think that's very fair criticism. ?Some have said that the new songs haven't gotten really huge receptions and that's also expected. ?
But yeah, it's not like the person who listen and compares each and every bootleg to see if Robin missed one note on a solo or shit. ?These people go and see maybe 1 or 2 shows and it blows them away. ?I'd like to actually get a review from people that don't post on the board. ?I'm sure you'll get a similar result saying "Wow the band was really good, the solos were a little much and the new songs were cool even though I didn't really know them". ?I think that's the general concensus of the tour.

I've heard fortus tank on NR too

I think some of you put fortus and finck up there like guitar gods..

Yeah I think it was just the tour getting to the band.  That's a super long run for a tour with very very little breaks in it.  But I had to pull the cheap card to argue my point  :rofl:.

I really don't care who runs or not, I am simply talking about the playing..

All in all to sum it up......definitely different playing styles.......Finck puts his own touches on it.....the crowd is into it.  Maybe it fits more with the heavier tone to all the kiddies in the crowd bouncing and hopping around.  Either way we accept it because it's what Mr. Rose has chosen for the band.

Its not Robin's fault that the band hasn't released any music. You don't think it frustrates the new guys that they have written 3 albums worth of material and Axl won't let them play it?

Slash was great, but that was a long, long time ago.

Finck is almost the polar opposite of Slash. His brilliance comes in his stage presence and entertainment factor, not the note for note precision some people expect of a lead guitarist.

That is funny since not too long ago I posted a clip of Nov Rain solo and everyone thought it was Finck playing it, yet it was slash. Again you people tend to go by now Finck plays the songs live to slashs studio. Slash was very sloppy live too, and dont give me that shit he was high or drunk, he wrote the damn songs and didnt always play them perfect live.

Considering I saw Gnr 7 times with Slash, I saw him tank all his solos a few times! : ok: However, that is rock and roll. Errors are made while playing live and Slash was as sloppy as they come-just as sloppy as Finck. I still loved it though. Honestly, I've been to tons of rock shows and there are always errors made by guitar players. You people expect too much. It is live music. If Jimi Hendrix covered SCOM it would have mistakes. Simple as that.

Have you seen Slash live. It's the whole package man, precision, stage presence, entertainment, crowd interaction, the works.


Well just so you know he WAS probably high and drunk :rofl: Axl even said he could play a killer guitar on a lot of drugs.

And he wasnt VERY sloppy live, although he had his moments.

On a side note, i would HATE to see robin finck play the estranged solos, or DTJ, he's bad enough on the songs he does cover.

Listen to TWAT on the demos, robin would play them just fine.

well said!

So what if a few notes get fucked up here and there, Slash used to mess a lot of notes up too.
The gig I saw last week was totally rocking and I love Fincks energy and stage presence and for me GNR would be sad without him.

What does Robins TWAT solo got to do with Estranged and DTJ solos? Do you mean if he can pull out the "technical masterpiece" of "TWAT" solo, he can definitely pull out Estranged and DTJ?? :confused:

I feel sorry for Robin when Axl tries to fill Slash shoes with him. Im sure Robin doesn't really enjoy playing the old songs/didn't come to GN'R for the old songs, he'd rather play the new stuff hes made... isn't that why he "left" NIN?

Robin is fine. I saw him in Paris and he was good. I think he is a solid guitar player.
But for me, THE guitar genius?of this band is definetely Richard Fortus. He blew the whole arena away in Paris. Richard has the potencial to become the next guitar hero.?

Why stay in this band if they are feeling frustrated ?

Slash is still greater than Finck...

In some areas yes, but could you imagine Slash playing Robins parts ie. in NIN?

I believe that they agree with Axl about not releasing the material before the right time.  and it doesn`t depend exclusively on Axl and the rest of the band  ;)

When I saw Robin 4 years ago he sucked for the most part..? No idea what he sounds like now... From the sounds of it, the band would be better without him.

EDIT: Maybe they shouldn't even play that song...  VR don't wanna play songs that are too "Axl".  Well SCOM is definately a "Slash" song.   

VR isn't GNR, GNR is GNR.  SCOM is definately a "GNR" song.

I'm just saying that the song is carried by Slash's classic riff and solos.. The guitarwork will forever be criticized.  Doesn't Axl have 3 albums of other shit to play?

Ah, but Slash doesn't need to play Robin's parts. That's the point.  :hihi:

robins parts in NIN were mostly written by trent reznor. no solos in there, only power chords.
i'm not a huge robin finck fan, strangely enough i loved him during his NIN period.

I have never liked Finck as a lead guitarist and he will never reach the same level as Slash.? I've said it time and time again that Finck is better suited for NIN.? In my opinion, they should ditch him and just have Fortus on rhythm guitar and Thal on lead guitar.? I never understood having 3 guitarists, just seems like a waste.? Just goes to show how valuable Slash really was to GNR...

terrible

That`s a Slash riff but it became a GNR song due to Axl. For the rest of the band it was a joke riff. The lyrics are quiet special to Axl and it`s probably their most famous song so they enough reasons (and much more important than "finck fucked the solo"  ;D ) to play SCOM ;) VR don?t play song that are too AXL because scott can?t sing them  ;)

scom is as much slash as axl, the guitar playing from the mid solo to opening is killer... The intro grabs you instantly..

Has Slash never missed a note ?

Of course he has, but even whacked out on drugs he could play the songs better than Finck. Plus he (co)wrote them in the first place.

Everyone praises Finck because Better is one of his songs. Well, congrats - its one song. And an average nu-metal one at that.

I almost wept with sheer frustration watching Finck at Hammersmith. Patience, SCOM, and the rest, he just fluffed it. An emotionless hired hand whos just there to throw rubbish shapes. His solos were pathetic too. Aguilera? That tuneless drivel before SCOM. If he played Baa Baa Black Sheep you'd all  saying he was the Ghost of Hendrix resurected.

It mustve been hard for those watching Paradise City at Wembley on the 30th knowing that NOT ONE prope Gunner was on that stage.

Unless Izzy was, then I'll stand corrected.

True. But Axl is in GnR and Slash ain?t  and SCOM is a GnR song. And I can?t imagine SCOM without Axl but we`ve seen SCOM without Slash and even not being as good as with Slash is still good.  : ok:

i dont know dude... Robin's solo on that song is fucking amazing, the crowd is always very very into it.  Its one of the high points of the show when he stops his lil intro solo and belts out the opening riff.   Finck owns SCOM now, when I saw him play that solo right in front of me at the Hammerstein, I was like, "DUDE!  Why the fuck would anyone want Slash back after seeing this guy!?"

I respect your opinion but i perfer Slash playing SCOM solo. But i don?t want Slash back to play this solos. Finck is good enough to play them and not making me miss Slash  :) . And his solos on the new songs are amazing

I went to both the Hammersmith and Donnington gigs and I don't enjoy seeing or hearing this band playing this song. This is the only song i feel like this, I love seeing and hearing all the other 'classic' songs and enjoy the 'new' songs even more. I see GN' R 87-94 and GN' R post 94 as seperate bands, but bands that I both love. I don't like hearing/seeing SCOM played by the new band because to me, SCOM is Slash's song, more so than any other song in the GN'R back catalogue and I cringe when i see the new band play it. Don't get me wrong, they can play it great and all, but i just can't enjoy. I don't feel like this about any of the other songs, just SCOM. Does anyone else feel like this, or am I just weird?

but if they introduced slash at hammerstein finck could have walked out no one would have even cared plus it would have been played by it's owner..

this would be a better example to me why I think he has trouble playing it, more the mid solo then the intro on here.. it just sounds really off,  on and off

paris

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tz0SH8KyzBk

I just listened to the 3:30 - 4:30 solo 3 times... and no I don't think it sounds off, on and off. It sounds exactly the same as always when Finck plays it. To me it sounds great. I am not even trying to compare them. I don't care how Slash would play it if he is in GNR. He isn't. He wrote it, he played it great and he is not in GNR anymore. I think your expectations to hear Slash playing it and constant unfaireness to Finck ruins it for you every single time.

I just think it sounds wrong.. That's how I feel.. Notes are notes right.. I mean when you sing a song the words are still the same just the voice is different..

listen to the way the band recorded SCOM during the late ninties (its from the big daddy soundtrack), thats exactly the way Finck played that solo.   

i agree finck is the one who respects the less the notes in solos.
is this his choice or not to be different well maybe,? or i think he probably is too lazy to learn them correctly, he starts with the correct notes & very short after does something else just in the right key (which by the way is not improvised as it is always the same thing at each concerts), i have so many examples to prove it, always the same way to proceed.
if that band was a cover band i know many of us would hate the way solos are played, but as you said, as it is under the name of gnr (which is a shame) ppl forgive much more

We'll said.  If another band tried to cover the song and the solo was off, ppl would rip it apart.  But since this is "Guns N' Roses", it makes it ok.

isn't that always the case, anyone that covers a gnr tune gets abused now if the solo is different by a new gnr member it's style :D