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i think it makes sence that they will do it and if they do i think better will be played. i'm not 100% sure though. part of me would like to hear irs or twat as well. after 2002 shaky vocals from axl i'm sure he is eager to get back up there and do it 2006 style. obviously he is in a better place now and will be foaming at the mouth to bring the house down. what are your thoughts.............?

Jungle, Madagascar, Paradise City medley.

They should have a release date right before teh VMA's and then do the VMA's because it gets millions of people to remember GNR again.. most dont know there still touring or anything...


They should do.... ( No medly)....

IRS
Paradise City (With Izzy)

that's my two cents..

I dont think its gonna happen. No reason to without an album out. But if they do it, they'll do Jungle/PC.

Better. Nuthin else , just better .. a really spot on and high energy performance of it with axl NAILING the "I never wanted you to be so full of anger" heavy part. Would fucking rock the house easily.

Better would probably appeal to the MTV crowd the most...

Fuck 'em, play Silkworms.

You realize that theyre doing everything without a new album, and did the 2002 VMA without as well ?;)

an oldie and better ( like SCOM, EVERYONE LOVES SCOM)

Yeah, and look how that turned out.

Start off playing SCOM , after first verse or chrous have all this static start up really loud , few thunder crashes , lights flash .. looks like sumthins wrong and then robin starts wailing the Better opening riff and bang "the hardest part this troubled heart..."  : ok:

i was thinking about the jungle/pc thing myself but even if there is no official announcement by then the jungle thing would be ultra rehash even by axl's standards considering it will be the third time he's played the song at the vma's. i just thought that assuming they will be doing a us tour it would be huge to do the vma's with one of these new songs. but i do agree that a release announcement is the most important thing.

I dont know what they'll be playing....perhaps better & IRS. I have a funny feeling MTV would announce a new category (of awards) so they can give the award to GNR...perhaps for "the best comeback"?  :smoking:

Sleepy so i appologize for expressing myself in a funny way :nervous:

The first single IMO.

They should open the 2006 VMAs with their first single.

right on!

well if they're actually plannign on releasing cd this year then better is a good'n to play. it's almost certain of a wttj opening lets face it...

Chinese Democracy with the cool intro then Sweet Child. IRS and Better are too risky, Axl could nail it but he could fuck it up again like in 02.

I woulda said Sweet Child, CD, then The Blues in a medley but I'm not too fussy on the recent performances of The Blues. I liked the 02 versions more (one of the very few things that was better then)... maybe TWAT at the end if they do a medley instead?

If he nailed better he'd win over everyone watching, but like many songs by many artists, it's hit or miss live.

Chinese Democracy and The Blues seem to be spot on everytime however....

Jungle, Better, TWAT.  If he performs these songs perfectly the crowd will be going wild.  Jungle as an opener to get the ball rolling, Better to shock the crowd, TWAT to put them in awe.  Of course if the single is out this set would change.

better, twat, new song. no more oldies. . damnit. NO MORE :hihi:

He should do Better to really make all of the haters say "Wow, fucking awesome!" and come back to the band.  As long as there are no technical difficulties and he sings pretty well, it'll get them a lot of positive publicity.  However, i hope they announce an album release date before or on that day.

Id say Better > a short Thal shred solo > a new song.

they need to playold songs because the only people who know the knew are who have seen new gnr or have got em off the internet, so the "haters" wont know them, this genrally wont impress them, i know the first time i heard better i thought it was crap, i love it now though. but if its on the mtv awards then they genrally wont wanna hear a new song without an old one aswell. they'd need to open with wttj, but scom would work reeally well with that audience, then a new one, like better because better i think is a good one for peopel who dont know it to hear out of the cd lot. i like the solo idea though, to show that gnr can still have great guitar without slash.

Something unheard that will give hope to all those who are fans or were fans.

whatever the first single is...no old songs

Better>IRS>There Was A time.

Or better yet, Catcher In The Rye.

I think they will play at the VMA's and here's how I think it will go down.


- Whoever is hosting the show will make some kind of joke like " They tried it 4 yrs ago and now there here again Guns N Roses.

- Richard Fortus comes out and plays Sweet Child O'Mine solo then you got Matt Sorum on the drums.  So the band consist of ( Axl Rose Lead Vocals, Richard Fortus Lead Guitar, Tommy Stinson Bass, Izzy Stradlin Rythem Guitar, Matt Sorum on drums, Dizzy Reed Keyboards. 

- They play SCOM for awhile then they go into to BETTER and play some of that.  Then they got into the closing number which will be IRS.

- afterwards AXL ROSE WILL GIVE US THE RELEASE DATE OF OCTOBER 31 2006 FOR CHINESE DEMOCRACY then we get a video the first week of september the single BETTER.

wow man, i could sure use some of that acid.. because i dont think there gonna drop pitman, finck, and brain and ron... and have izzy and sorum there.. playing the new songs...

damn dude :hihi:

Enough with the medleys.  Please.

Even if they do a tribute to Winger?

If they play the VMA's this is how it should go down. They should have a single out on radio before the VMA's. They should show up and play the first single with Bucket back in the band. They need to have a single out before the VMA's so people are familiar with the song already.

Or play their hardest song with the most balls and tell the viewers of MTV that hard rock is here to stay. If they have a song like that.

That would be kick ass. They better have a song like that...  :no:

I don't know when the VMAs take place, but I'd like to think that GNR will have a single released at least a couple weeks prior to the show. I have a feeling that "Better" will be the first single, unless the first single is a song we haven't even heard yet. But no matter what the single is, I believe that's what GNR will play. And I think it'd be cooler for them to open the show rather than end it this time.

I would guess if they do anything in the next month or so, it would be this.

Then again, we keep getting surprised. That's the worst part about this, this whole deal is just gonna smack us in the face when we are looking the other way lol.

If they played The Blues, it would shut everyone up.

Better, Rocket Queen, and Chinese Democracy

if they appear (and i bet they do!!) it could only be the first single.
What else? Nobody wants to see 2002 again!!!

It'll be the single and this time Axl & the boys will be well prepared  ::)

Start off with Chinese Democracy (my opinion is that this should be the new opener? I love Jungle and all that, but they need to get more new songs!!), then play SCOM to please all the mainstream fans, fans that just hear stuff on the internet and all that. Then finish it off with a TWAT and/or Better finisher. That would be sweet! : ok:

mtv aint gonna ask them to do it again, the whole point of the 2002vmas or whenever it was, was the whole gnr comeback. the comeback failed and nothing has changed since

If I was Axl I'd do 3 perfromances on the night. Open the show with Jungle, then close the show with first single (Better!) and PC.

And I think it's a given they won't do it without an album on the way.

I don't think MTV is as important as it was when our band was on top in the early 90's.  Therefore, I don't really give a shit if they play MTV or not.  I would rather see a performance on the Grammy Awards (whenever that is).  It's apparent that MTV is turning its back on Axl and probably has the feeling that they gave him his chance and he blew it.

I'm starting to think that they will play a lot of Hammerstein sized venues if their NA tour is only lasting from the end of September to December.  These will all be instant sell outs, people will be pissed because they couldn't get in or didn't know they were coming, and then they can come back in the spring and sell out the big arenas touring behind a new album.  I think this is how it will go down, with the exception of probably a few big market arenas along the way.  CC still may think the large scale shows are too much of a risk in the states. 

I just don't think that MTV will be a part of the comeback.

I think a solo would go over well. Ron Thal is the kind of guitarist who looks pretty modest but could blow the fuck out of people if he played a shred solo. Ive showed videos of him to people who know nothing about guitaristry and they have all been amazed.

Come on poeple please forget about medleys and 2002. IF they were to play they need to play the first single what ever that maybe, something that is acceptable to a broad spectrum of people. And play the shit out of it. Start to finish. Second of all peopel are still in shock over the the freakshow that was on stage in 2002. Forget the damn reunion crap especialy with the fruit with a chicken bucket on his head.

This is guns n roses not some circus act  In 2006 they look and act like GNFR  once again and that is how it should stay.

best post ive read all day

agree : ok:

no more old song,Silkworm will kick ass : ok:.


ps:I mean,really kick Axl in the ass :hihi:.

End the show with Better. That would be the best VMA's ever. Or they could close with IRS. But Better sounds like it rocks more.

Then they could go into Stonehenge immediately after that.

IF they do it and play any old song...in a medley or in full.....it will be a waste....


They need to do it and perform a new song...whether it be something we've heard or a brand spakin new one....

performing another cover would just be pointless....

They need to do it with the freakin' album out.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this tour can't go much past the end of this year without a new album before GnR start to really hurt their credibility. They've gained a ton of it back by getting out on tour and kicking ass, the longer we wait for an album the more chance they have of undoing anything good they've done this past summer.

If they are going to do it, then i think its a hard call.

Quite simply, there will not be an album by the time the VMAs hit us - its about a month away right? But, there could be a single on the radio? Even that is a slim chance though.

Bearing this in mind, if the singles out there being played then they play that. If not, then they can use the show to 'launch' the single (let MTV make a whole big deal about it being an exclusive airing of the new single.) But, at this stage I would still say they NEED to play an oldie. Just because there ain't enough exposure of new material for it to be a big success as the familiarity just won't be there. I think, as well as launching the new single, you'd need to remind people why they liked GNR before. But I wouldn't use an obvious oldie as this would be asking for abuse and comparisons (the classics are just too classic that theyd make whatever they are played alongside look lame - especially when not known). I'd use Nightrain, YCBM or It's so Easy or things like that that people know. Or even an illusion cover? Live and Let Die?

Anyone with my train of thought?

I hate it how I ramble! lol  :confused:

the people were reminded why they loved gnr often enough. they got a live era album, tokyo 1992 live on dvd, welcome to the videos dvd,  a greatest hits album, and 70+ (??) concerts with mostly the old material being played......

this time we need the NEW music.... noone cares about familiarity or crap like that...    playing an old song again destroys any credibity this band has from the beginning :no:

Tokyo, Live Era, Welcome to the videos are all products for hardcore fans, if CD is to be a success then it needs to interest the mainstream of which the majority will not own these products, the only thing they might own from that list is GH.

On here there is a craving for new material which is understandable but the mainstream identify GNR by WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Patience and NR and the VMA's would be a great opportunity to integrate old and new. As long as they pull it off playing an oldie doesn't destroy any credibility they had at all. If they have the name GNR people will expect to hear those classics.

A performace with no new material would be pointless though, I think an oldie and then a new song (perhaps new single) would work fine, provided they nail them  : ok:

it`s not about mainstream, it`s about people who once loved gnr...  some of those bought GH`s. that`s enough.  if they fall in love with the old gnr again, they`ll never accept the new band.

oh and don?t forget the 2002 tour    and now the tour in europe...... enough is enough : ok:


i don?t agree with you. what do you want? a gnr that people love, because of the nostalgia, or a gnr that people love because there`s awesome new music? i don?t want gnr to become a band like the rolling stones ( a not so good example maybe..) or ...i don?t know.... motley crue.  i care about the new music.

if gnr is just a nostalgia act, axl definitely needs to get slash and co back to make it succesful, but if he decides to make new music with a new band he`ll succee that way too.




and old song followed by a new one is a better idea than just an old song to say the least. but if axl wants to be taken serious with his new project, or this new band`s project, he needs to make his own thing. otherwise people will say he`s living off the name, which slash and duff created as well. as i said before: he either has to get slash and duff back or he has to play the new material. i`m in for the latter :peace:

Don't get me wrong unless Slash and co are present I don't want just nostalgia but I also think the classics need to be around to keep the general interest. I'm just thinking about how it will look on tv playing or song or 2 that nobody knows will keep the crowd reasonably flat they need something they know and then it them with the new. I'm not saying this should always be the case but without an album they need an oldie imo.

When they appeared at the 02 VMA's the main criticism was how Axl sounded not the song choices as far as I know, there will always be a thirst for the original GNR classics but clearly people want to see what Axl's been up to the past few years as well. I feel a bit of old and a bit of new is what's needed at this moment, show the world it's still GNR (of a sort) with an oldie but then play a kickass new song to show the world how good the new guys are.

They need some sort of promotion though, either play a new single or have an album release date but if they're going to play the VMA's for the sake of it then I would say don't bother.

when do the vma`s take place by the way??

they could release a single and then play it at the vma`s......

End of August I think, not sure the exact date though.

VMA's are August 31st.

It would be a smart move, (and reasonable) to have a release date a few days before the VMA's (and a single).. but atleast the release date.

All I know is though.. thats going to be one hell of an exciting day and if they dont play, be on hell of a disspointment.

33 days folks...

IRS, Better, then the blues or twat. and make sure to nail them.

Don't sing the same songs but the new ones. Or, it would not worth an old song.

Well from 2002 VMA, the producers gave GNR 8 minutes of screen time. ?So if you're GNR - what would you do with 8 minutes?? ?At that time everybody wanted to hear how the new band would perform the classics AND everybody wanted to hear something new. ?I think Axl was stuck between a rock and hard place...damned if you do and damned if you don't. So given 8 minutes air time, he did the best he could. ?But now it's 2006 and I don't want them to do WTTJ again, shit it's been done twice already, lol. ?I think the logical solution would be to do the 1st single. ?

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I know it doesn't really mean two shits, but Dizzy's planning on touring with HnB at the time. They tend to announce when he's not around, tho.


Damn straight, although I'll say they need to have something (a single/a release date/an album) to offer around Inland Invasion the latest, otherwise they'll go back to the '02 routine. They could manage by only doing cities like Boston and NYC, but what would be the point, really? Playing AFD with a new lineup for kicks?

I hope they turn it down if they are offered.  MTV is a worthless joke IMO

Exactly.

Axl and MTV don't care about each other anymore, IMO. ;D

I don't think a new appearance is gonna happen but IF it does, they should play the exact same stuff they played in the VMAs 2002 (Jungle, Madagascar, PC), just to show everybody the in-your-face improvement.? ;)

Maybe they could replace Madagascar with Better, which should be the 1st single.

And definately have announced a release date before all these happen...? :yes:

But, as I said, I don't believe they're gonna do an MTV appearance.

I almost thought I was going to be the first one to write it:  I don't think they're going to play this POS show. They did it in '02 and this year it seems to early in their schedule.

I just need to say that for the people who want only old songs played, you guys are nuts!  This is about promoting a new album.  Why the hell would they play only old songs?  ??? ??? ???


At first I thought, no old songs.  But I think you are right.  Thinking of the most popular GN'R songs...let's face it, they have milked Jungle already.  The other obvious choices are SCOM and NR.  I think opening with NR would be cool.  Just do the song as is, and then when they get to the first solo...Axl sings,

"wouldn't time be out to charm you, whoaa..."

then, instead of the NR solo, everything stops for half a second.  Then Robin does the intro to Better.  Then they play that song.  That would fuckin' rock.  It would be so out of the blue, but everyone would know it's Guns N' Roses because they did NR first.

I think the VMAs are going to happen.  They need to promote this thing and there is no easier way to get exposure than to appear on the VMAs.  I think once the performance is done Axl will give us the next day to look forward to...the release of the first single.  Album in November.  That's my call at least.  : ok:

When are they?

A new song but from the euro tour, so they can pick and choose the perfect verison of a new song

Medleys are fucking stupid, they shouldn't do that..........

I say the 2002 version if The Blues or the first single.

Catcher in the Rye, and introduce it as the First Single

He did in 2002 before the, uh, 2002 Chinese Demaocracy tour. And some would say he looked like a gangster rapper.

I can understand why people don't like them, but a medley is really a good idea to introduce the band to the masses.  Imagine them doing something like Chinese Democracy - The Blues - Better.  It gives fans a sense of what's to come more than only one song would.  But make the first single something we've not heard yet, so that when it does come out everyone is surprised.  I think if they did something like this it could work.