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Title: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Brian_Wallace on July 27, 2006, 02:40:54 PM
On this very website it states:

September, 1990 - 36 songs recorded and GN'R started to think about the album title. GN'R Sucks and BUY Product were two of the titles, but finally they decided to call the album Use Your Illusion. Axl took the name from a painting by Mark Kostabi.
The next problem was the format of the next GN'R release. The 36 songs wouldn't fit on one CD. GN'R wanted to release a box with four CDs. Geffen said no, it would be too expensive for the fans. Finally they agreed to release two CDs on the same day, plus a CD later.

Do we know for sure what specifically the other six songs were?? I started a thread about this in the collection section about a pre-release poster I once saw advertising, like the above statement mentions, "36 songs."

I'm almost sure they recorded versions of "New Rose", "Down on the Farm" and "Ain't It Fun" during the Illusion sessions.? Plus, I'm thinking "Ain't Going Down" was one of the six.?

Any other guesses?

Thank you,

Brian Wallace




Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: vicarious existence on July 27, 2006, 02:45:12 PM
Just Another Sunday...


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Neemo on July 27, 2006, 02:46:40 PM
Aint Goin Down
Bring It Back Home
Crash Diet
Just Another Sunday
Killing Time
Sentimental Movie
That Something
Too Much Too Soon

I'm betting on 6 of those


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Bill 213 on July 27, 2006, 02:52:59 PM
Didn't Slash say in an interview once they recorded "Down On The Street" by Iggy Pop also?


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: 2NaFish on July 27, 2006, 02:54:43 PM
most of TSI?? was recorded at the same time too.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Neemo on July 27, 2006, 02:59:18 PM
most of TSI?? was recorded at the same time too.

yeah but I believe that there was always the concept of a cover disk and besides I thought most of TSI was recorded whist touring


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: BurningHills on July 27, 2006, 03:16:14 PM
"Down On The Street" by Iggy & The Stooges and "Waiting For My Ruca" by Sublime, and "Beer And A Cigarette" by Hanoi Rocks are the three outtakes from the UYI/TSI? sessions that have never surfaced anywhere.

Ain't Going Down, Just Another Sunday, Crash Diet, Bring It On Home, Too Much Too Soon, and Sentimental Movie are the 6 completed outtakes from UYI and are easy to find.

-Jeff


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on July 27, 2006, 03:28:53 PM
The trashed Illusions Cd will answer your question man. After getting it , I was kind of glad that none of those tunes made the Illusions, myself.

Crash Diet was the best on there I thought, but did'nt care for much else.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Mikkamakka on July 27, 2006, 03:37:52 PM
"Down On The Street" by Iggy & The Stooges and "Waiting For My Ruca" by Sublime, and "Beer And A Cigarette" by Hanoi Rocks are the three outtakes from the UYI/TSI? sessions that have never surfaced anywhere.

Ain't Going Down, Just Another Sunday, Crash Diet, Bring It On Home, Too Much Too Soon, and Sentimental Movie are the 6 completed outtakes from UYI and are easy to find.

-Jeff

As far as I know Crash Diet, Just Another Sunday and Sentimental Movie weren't finished.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: BurningHills on July 27, 2006, 03:39:04 PM
I just mean finished in terms that they're full songs. I'd love to hear final versions of those songs!


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Origen on July 27, 2006, 03:40:51 PM
Isn't there a bootleg with all the rejected Illusions on.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: BurningHills on July 27, 2006, 03:42:09 PM
Unwanted Illlusions has 3 of them...I think Crash Diet, Sentimental Movie, and Just Another Sunday - but yeah, there's numerous bootlegs with these songs on them.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: kaasupoltin on July 27, 2006, 03:46:29 PM
It's sad that Crash Diet wasn't released or even finished :no: Or maybe it was finished but we just haven't heard it.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: BurningHills on July 27, 2006, 03:56:44 PM
Asphalt Ballet recorded a version that was released on their second album, Pigs. Axl does backing vocals on their version, even though he isn't credited as doing so.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Super-Ecwfan1 on July 27, 2006, 05:21:24 PM
                     Really knowing Guns n Roses and what music they did , who knows what a good Box Set of un-released material would do . I'd love to see a Box Set of Guns n Roses at some point.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: grabaraxl on July 27, 2006, 07:02:01 PM

Ain't Going Down, Just Another Sunday, Crash Diet, Bring It On Home, Too Much Too Soon, and Sentimental Movie are the 6 completed outtakes from UYI and are easy to find.

-Jeff

those songs are Appetite for Destruction outtakes.
I remember slash mentioning they forgot to record "ain't going down" for the illusions. even on the pinball game it's the demo that's on it.

i would guess that the all outtakes are on spaghetty incident, otherewise with all the singles released they would've made a b-side. only shadow of your love did, and it was also an appetite era song recoded before appetite.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: 14 Yrs Of Silence on July 27, 2006, 07:06:42 PM
"Down On The Street" by Iggy & The Stooges and "Waiting For My Ruca" by Sublime, and "Beer And A Cigarette" by Hanoi Rocks are the three outtakes from the UYI/TSI? sessions that have never surfaced anywhere.

Ain't Going Down, Just Another Sunday, Crash Diet, Bring It On Home, Too Much Too Soon, and Sentimental Movie are the 6 completed outtakes from UYI and are easy to find.

-Jeff

Where did you hear that they did a cover of Waiting For My Ruca?  I never heard that before.  That would be killer if true and its out there.  I love Sublime.  Between Bob Marley and Sublime its all I ever really listened to back in college in the late 90s.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on July 27, 2006, 08:14:49 PM
They also did 10-12 songs from 93-96 that will never see the light of day, plus those zakk songs


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Tomorrows on July 27, 2006, 09:15:44 PM
Crash Diet would have been awesome in a finished version (Im guessing). The demo with Wes Arkeen playing lead kicks ass and I still listen to it a lot today  :beer:


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: oneway23 on July 27, 2006, 10:33:17 PM
"That Something" and "Killing Time" I've never heard...Anyone have em?


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: BurningHills on July 28, 2006, 02:58:47 AM
That Something and Killing Time are Hollywood Rose demos.



Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Scree on July 28, 2006, 08:27:06 AM
What I'm curious about is if the Anti-Nowhere League song "I hate people" was recorded or not during these sessions. It was supposed to be on TSI?? and I heard somewhere it was recorded early on, whether this is true or not is up for debate.


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Neemo on July 28, 2006, 08:46:16 AM
That Something and Killing Time are Hollywood Rose demos.



thanks i didn't know that :beer:


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: Mikkamakka on July 28, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
I wish they'd release a boxed set with all the unreleased GN'R songs and covers? :drool:? I don't mind if some songs are not completed, or don't have a guitar solo or vocals. Just fuckin' release it!


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: kever20 on July 28, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
"That Something" and "Killing Time" I've never heard...Anyone have em?

Those are, as far as I know, only Hollywood Rose demos. I know it's said that GNR did record them, but to my knowledge none of those recordings have ever surfaced. I have all of the Hollywood Rose Demos (the ones not on that lame CD! ALL of them that have ever made their way to the internet.

1. Anything Goes
2. Cold Hard Cash
3. That Something
4. That Something, Version 2
5. Killing Time
6. Killing Time, Live
7. Rocker
8. 16 Minute Jam Session

**********************
There is also a song, "Your Looks Are Gone," but people have been saying it's not an Axl demo: Could be that it's a Hollywood Rose after Axl and Izzy. The recordings that HR did that have never been put online are:

1. Beats On My Head
2. Rock N' Rose
3. Hollywood Girls
4. International Boys

Check out http://www.gnrinfo.tk/ for more info, under the Pre-GNR tab.

*********************
PM me if anyone wants the existing demos.

/Kevin


Title: Re: Is there a consensus on the 6 extra tracks from the Illusion sessions?
Post by: estrangedpaul on July 28, 2006, 05:52:21 PM
Aint Goin Down
Bring It Back Home
Crash Diet
Just Another Sunday
Killing Time
Sentimental Movie
That Something
Too Much Too Soon

I'm betting on 6 of those

Ain't Going Down definately sounds like something from the Appetite Recording sessions. It has that Appetite vibe to it, and in my opinion is better than nearly half of Appetite. It's too raw to be a finished Illusion song. The dynamics between the two guitars sounds like something from Appetite. Slash said Sentimental Movie was just something they messed around with one night, he said he hasn't listened to it since and couldn't even remember if he played a solo on it, which he clearly did. Source is an interview on Snakepit.org i read sometime. Crash Diet clearly wasn't recorded during the UYI sessions, what with West Arkeen's guitar and stuff. That Something and Killing Time are from Hollywood Rose as someone said. Just Another Sunday, That Something and Bring It On Home are way too old.

I'm certain those six songs are all songs from the Spaghetti Incident or maybe other covers which didn't make that album. The're finished songs so they would have leaked if they weren't on the Spaghetti Incident, surely?