Here Today... Gone To Hell!

People, I have a question for you.
Do you remember in Used to Love her song in the Live songs release, Axl gives a rant about b/fs and g/fs. I find it quite funny, but it seems like it was edited in the beginning. Do you know which show is that? Does anyone have mps or other audio from that show?

Axl butcher live era up. He took rants from one show added them to another song from another show, took vocals from one show and add them to another shows song, and re did some of the songs vocals. So pretty much only a few songs are legit live and the rest are not

its from the tokyo 88 cd's and he does say that on the boot.your crazy and used to love her are not edited.

Are the vocals the same or different? I know move to the city he re did on live era , and that patience is two shows cut together from the Lies songs on live era.

thanks guys
but i noticed lots of songs on live era are from official tokyo releases and one is from mreffy mercury concert.
also, on YCBM, his vocals are pretty raw. It does sound like he sang it live.
which songs were edited?

I always thought the last verse on Used to Love Her was new vocals added in, cuz it seems different from the rest. It sounds fucking awesome, though. Are you sure that part is from '88?

Estranged, the rant at the beginning is from the Tokyo DVD's but then the song is from a different show.

Novermber Rain,  again from Tokyo, they didn't touch at all.

How do you guys know axl redid some of the vocals. Is there any proof or is it just speculation, coz his vocals on sweet child are fukin terrible

they SOOO fuckin redid november rain, are u kidding me, his vocals on november rain sound basically like his new ones but rhaspier than he sings november rian, watch your tokyo dvd and play november rain from live era, i noticed the different on the first line

StoneRose- It was published that he redid vocals AND if you listen to bootlegs and Live Era, you WILL notice a difference.

Ktucker- Vocals?  Maybe, but the instrumentals were untouched.

"Why did Axl record new vocals for Live Era??": http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=32969.0

yeah, i meant vocals lol.  thats always my main focus in any thing i hear by GNr initially

No they weren't. Slash re-recorded some of his leads.

It's quite obvious he re-did the vocals for NR. It sounds nothing like on the DVD.

yep he redid NR, has been mentioned so many times!!!!!he redone alot and added and took parts away from most songs

FACT

I don't think anybody knows 100% what all the songs are supposedly from because we've never been officially told but some songs you can tell are from which shows or redone etc.

Like dave said Patience is 2 performances cut together and I think both NR and Estranged use the instrumentals from Tokyo 92 but Axl has clearly redone vocals on both.

The WTTJ track is believed to be almost entirely redone to the extent that nobody can name a show this performance comes from.

4 songs that are untouched are Nightrain, Yesterdays and PC (all vegas 92) And KOHD which is obviously from the freddie mercury tribute.

Thank You gnrontour and IndiannaRose






Disc 1
1. Nightrain [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
2. Mr. Brownstone [London, 8.31.91]
3. It's So Easy [Paris, 6.6.92]
4. Welcome To The Jungle
5. Dust N' Bones [New York, 5.16.91]
6. My Michelle [London, 8.31.91]
7. You're Crazy [Tokyo, 12.10.88]
8. Used To Love Her [Tokyo, 12.10.88]
9. Patience [1st half - Mexico '93 OR Paris, 7.13.93; 2nd half - Paris, 6.6.92]
10. It's Alright [Houston, 9.4.92]
11. November Rain [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
12. Coma [Omaha, 4.10.93] * ^

Disc 2
1. Out Ta Get Me [London, 6.28.87]
2. Pretty Tied Up [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
3. Yesterdays [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
4. Move To The City [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
5. You Could Be Mine [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
6. Rocket Queen [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
7. Sweet Child O' Mine [Paris, 6.6.92]
8. Knockin' On Heaven's Door [London, 4.20.92]
9. Don't Cry [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
10. Estranged [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
11. Paradise City [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]

* Japanese & Vinyl Releases Only
^ Not 100% certain the date is correct















For Live Era-vocally-I can tell you a lot of info. For example when you're a person that collects over a hundred audio and video bootlegs you start to see the changes and different sounds that the band had through years. Axl's voice to me, can be easily defined by eras or certain live shows. His voice is very dynamic, which means that it sounds different in almost every bootleg, but stll having a basic sound for a specific era. I can give you a list, pretty close to the actual list of re-recorded vocal tracks:

Disc 1:

-Nightrain: This is pretty obvious. Axl could just not do these type of screams from 1988-1994. His voice is very high, but has the tone of Axl's current voice. This Nightrain is close to being flawless. If you want a good representation of what Axl's Nightrain truly sounded duing that time period you can liste to the 6-17-93 Buenos Aires, Argentina show. Or you can listen to the Tokyo DVDs which have more access.

-Welcome to the Jungle: certain sections of Welcome to the Jungle were re-recorded, for example the best example I can give you on this song is Axl's final scream at the end where he says "you're gonna die", not many people notice it but his voice is very clean in that scream and in various certain sectors of songs, but at the same time he can give out a growl which only pertains to the late 90s/early 00s. RIR3's Welcome to the Jungle can be comapred the best when speaking of 'the new rasp'. If you're not a fan that's familiar with live shows then it will be very hard to distinguish this track.

-My Michelle: This song is just as easily distinguishable as Nightrain. Axl's 'new rasp' is very punk-ish and high, while Axl's 'old rasp' persay was very angry and deep. A good representation of Axl's 'old rasp' is the easily accesible Freddy Mercury Concert performances. His voice in this track sounds very refreshed, and again, flawless. There's a ceratin tone to his voice, again, that can be associated with Axl of the late 90s/early 00s vocals.

-Used To Love Her: Now, much of this tracks was left untouched, vocally. This was a 1988 performace, which is easy to tell since Axl's voice 'deteriorated' as this year went on. (Axl's voice in Donnington '88 was almsost non-existing, it was pretty horrible) The only vocal section that was re-recorded in this song was the last verse were Axl sings:

"I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her, Oo, six feet under
And I can still hear her complain"

If you listen to the album right now, you will be able to see this right off the bat and you'll go "Ha, how did I miss that?"

-November Rain: Axl's voice is very clean on this track. It is the exact opposite of what Axl's method of singing November Rain used to be. If you listen to any 2001-2002 bootleg then you'll hear that Axl's voice sounds almost exactly the same on this record compared to those performances. This is horrendously easy to tell.

Disc 2:

-Pretty Tied Up: Axl's voice in this tracks is just exactly how I described it on My Michelle. It is almost flawless. His pitch and tone is exactly how I described it for My Michelle, so you can pretty much get the general idea.

-Move to the City: The vocal track was obviously re-recorded here. Axl's voice is just very stable and strong. In the orginal show, where this track was derived from, which is the 2/22/92 Tokyo show, his voice had more of a gargled glass quality. It sounded like he was gargling glass, originally. Axl uses a much more mature 'raspy' voice here. The tone is just as deep as it was during 1993 but without 'all the jangled mess'. His voice is cleaner and stronger in this track, you can make out the words more easily.

You Could Be Mine: About 1/2 of this song was re-recorded vocally. Axl's new voice can be easily distinguishable right at the start were he says:

"I'm a cold heartbreaker
Fit ta burn and I'll rip
your heart in two
An I'll leave you lyin' on the bed
I'll be out the door before ya wake
It's nuthin' new ta you
'Cause I think we've seen that movie too
With your ass in the air!"

This sounds like almost nothing the Axl of the early 90s would do. His voice is very punk-ish, high, and clearly shows his 'new rasp'. Now some growls and screams were left alone. The 'rapping' part was clearly left alone. His voice is very tired and angry in that section. Now there is a part that you can clearly tell was re-recorded. I'm speaking of the scream in the middle of the song. I'm speaking of the scream right before "You've gone sketchin' too many times". His vioce is extremely clean, something the early 90s Axl would never possess.

-Rocket Queen: This track is the most obvious re-recorded track out of the whole record. This track sounds amazing. The entire piece was re-recorded. Again Axl's 'new rasp' which is very punk-ish and high pitched is used here. Even though it's re-recorded, this is one of my favorite vocal 'performaces' of Rocket Queen, period. Axl's voice is so close to perfection. The outro is just 'so' the Axl of the late 90s/early 00s. If you compare the outro of Rocket Queen here to the outro of Rocket Queen to any 2001/2002 performance then you will almost get the exact same sound, it is uncanny.

-Sweet Child O' Mine: All I can say is that Axl's voice in this track is very raw and deep. It was indeed re-recorded. You can hear this especially whenever he does any type of screams, they are just too clean. There was also a re-recording error here that I caught. Right at the end where Axl makes those dozens of screams he ends singing (the re-recorded Axl), but about 1.5 seconds later, very faintly, you will hear the original vocal track ending, after the song had already supposedley ended. You have to pay real close attention to notice this. I encourage everyone else to listen to this as this clearly shows this tune was re-recorded.

-Estranged: This is the last track of Disc 2 that was re-recorded.Axl's 'normal' speaking voice for the first few minutes was left alone, but right after the piano solo there comes the re-recorded vocals. Now, another error can be found here that will clearly give the re-recording enigma away. The music to this track originates from the 2/22/92 Tokyo show. Now I may not be the only one that has caught this. In Tokyo's vocals Axl sings the words:

"And you don't talk so loud
An you don't walk so proud
ny more, and what for"

In the original vocal track right after the words "and what for" Axl says "Nooo" with the same type of voice. Just watch the Tokyo DVD and you will notice the "Nooo" I'm speaking of. But listen to this, in Live Era right after the words "and what for" (which were re-recorded) then you will very faintly hear the "Nooo" being muffled out. You have to pay real close attention, but after the words "and what for"" on Live Era you will hear a very silent "Nooo" that was muffled out to give way to the re-recorded vocals.

Trust me, Live Era was a very complex process.

If you can't tell, then your ears have not been exposed enough to the live and studio sound of Guns N' Roses through out the years to make a solid opinion.

I'd be interested to know where Slash's overdubs are. Not least because with the re-recorded vocals and guitar parts, this is technically the last studio material from the original GN'R. Which is pretty weird, considering it's a live album...

SG

Mr. Brownstone was also re-recorded vocally...

Another give away: During Estranged, when he says "When I jump into river" is old voice from 92 and the next verse is re-done and sounds very different... That's THE most obvious giveaway


I personally love the album, Axl has never sounded better on Rocket Queen, Nightrain, My Michelle, November Rain & Estranged....

Guess I was wrong bout Nightrain then. Has a full boot of Vegas 92 ever surfaced because I remember seeing the vegas vid of Yesterdays and it is spot on with Live Era version and his voice sounds good the screams he pulls off in yesterdays aren't a million miles from the ones on Nightrain which made me think Nightrain too was an original performance.

I wish they had left Steven on all the Appetite/Lies live recordings.

2 THINGS--
1. Axl DID NOT rerecord his vocals...How do I know....simple...His singing voice was SHOT around 1999 and there is no way he could have pulled those songs off that well if he redid them..those are the original vocals...listen to the boots from 2001-2002, his voice is shot, he could not have redone the vocals, if he did the songs would sound terrible and high pitched

2-NOBODY KNOWS THE OFFICIAL REOCORDED DATES....it is ALL speculation.......

Wrong, it should be:

"I'm a cold heartbreaker
Fit ta burn and I'll rip
your heart in two
An I'll leave you lyin' on the bed
With your ass in the air!
I'll be out the door before ya wake
It's nuthin' new ta you
'Cause I think we've seen that movie too"

But many thanks for your post, it was helpful, and I'm with you on all the tracks...

Uhhhh....Mike, does Catcher In The Rye sound like his voice is shot?  How about OMG?  A touring voice is different than a studio voice.

come on
 on some songs you can hear from which concert it is
just listen to estranged
it was redone

btw did he ever sing nightrain's "ready to crash and burn i never learn" so high at UYI Tour?

Rocket Queen is from 12.06.1991, not 01.25.92 as listed on GNROntour.

Listen to both of 'em back to back n' you'll see what I mean.

its supposed to be from tokyo 88 but they r alil different go listen

KOHD is far from "untouched".

Gilby's guitar has been removed, Tracy and Roberta's vocals have been removed except at choice times, and parts of Axl's vocal track have been edited out.

And Axl's vocals on Nightrain sound completely redone.

UTLH was mainly left intact except, as others have already noted, for the last verse or so.