Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Years ago, when i was at drama school, this girl in my class told us her sister worked in a british hospital in the maternity ward.

Apparently, when babies were physically or/and mentally severely handicaped, they would stop feeding them and it would take up to a week for them to die, of starvation.

I didn't want to believe it.

But my mother has started to work in a hospital in Bristol ( GB) in the kid's cardiac ward.

She said the same thing.

My mother is very upset.

So am i...

if that is correct that is fucked up and authorities need to be informed of it ie police that is illegal in this country

sick dude.... tottally sick

I actually believe in euthanasia (sp?) to a point, but that story is extremely disturbing.  No doubt there are people who think they're clever who would rather it happen like that than to just give the baby 'something' or whatever, but starving a person is cruelty.  It must be illegal?

from what mum said, it is illegal to give something to the baby to lesser the pain and fasten death, therefore, the medicq have no choice ?

that is fucking horrible :'( :rant:

That is fucked up!! They should at least try to help them live by giving them food!

Do the parents of the babies know about this?

well, no.

How can people be that fucked up?! :rant:

What are the parents told?

back then, my classmate told us her sister told them the baby had passed away in its sleep.

Have I got this right? Baby is born handicapped and staff take it upon themselves to do this? Or the parents give consent for euthanasia? Or what?

no, parents can't give consent to euthanasia as it's illegal. And yes, staff take it upon themselves, in some cases. And the medics just tell the parents the kid didn't survive.

Who the hell could do that? 99% of parents will love their children no matter what. Who are they to play God like that? Truely disgusting.

ok like this.

the kid is going to be a total vegetable.

can't eat, can't move, can't go to the toilet by themselves.

yeah you say that can't many babies do when they are new born.

But when your 25?
They are going to be babies the whole life through, needing help when going to toilet, eating.

This is giving the parents a new chanse to create a new child.
And keeps their mental health alive.

It doesn't work that way. Someone's child is not just a kid to look after. It's apart of them. You love your children no matter what. You don't just discard them because they're imperfect. And plus, parents have to go through a lot mentally and emotionally, whether there's anything wrong with the child/children or not.

its still disturbing and disguisting. the staff has no right to kill someones child. if that particular parent wants to take action where their own child is concerned then fine, but its up the parent, and for a nurse or anyone else to take someones life, by starving that poor baby, is one of the worst things ive ever heard of

I disagree with you there. I think giving birth to and raising a child with a disability strengthens your mental health because you have to deal with more challenges.

Now that brings me to the question:

Would parents rather deal with the mental state of losing a child or have to deal with the mental state of taking care of a child with a disability??

First of all, I don not approve to this, but I understand why they do it.

The staff might see it as their responsibility that the society gets new good people.
With such a mishap they rather take away the "failed" child and holocaust it.

The parents are going to blame themselves for the mismade child, genes and stuff, and maybe they won't get another.
In fact they won't have time for another.
Now they are more encouraged of trying again.

so they get another



There are better ways than letting them starve to death.
 :-\

reading my own posts makes me realise that I have some serious issues.

Yeah... It was... strange and kind of disturbing to read.

I'm with rubber bullets on this one.

I'll explain.

I was at the bar and there was this girl in a wheelchair and me and my friend were the only ones to keep her company, everyone else stayed away like she got some plauge or something.

We both felt really fucked 'cos of this girl, she knew what's going to happen and that she'd die in a couple of yers to her disease (it's something that first her muscles stop to work, or nerves actually and it slowly destroys her brain). And if that would ever happen to me, I would be grateful for someone to put me outta my misery. I'm still trying to keep in touch with the girl, since frankly I might be the only guy she knows, next week I planned I'll take my calmer dog who shouldn't flip out when seeing a wheel chair (my other dog gets nervous when something new happens).

Also if I'd have a handicapped kid I'd give it away, I just couldn't let my life be ruined like that. And how painful would it be to live to look someones misery, it's not like they don't get that they're different.

But this is just when someone is badly handicapped.

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but if they really let them starve to death.. that just wrong. why just not give them a big electric shock if that has to be done. No pain.

have you ever had an electric shock

no pain

fuck that

they hurt like a motherfucker

at the end of the day whether or not you agree what they are doing is illegal

I have, but I'm talking of a bit higher voltage here, the same they kill animals at the butcher

I've heard of this happening at other hospitals as well.  It happens in care home for the elderly too.  It's too horrible to even think about.

the difference being they are humans not animals and they have the same rights to life as you or me regardless of what they cant do

poison then?

I work in a uk hospital too. ?

I'm sitting here looking a baby about 3 months who has just been bought down from ICU on the way to neo natal care. ?
She's a cute little thing - How can anyone play God to that extreme, Doctors and nurses are about saving and giving life - not taking.

I have an issue with the point in bold.  Legally we are humans yes and there are laws etc, but we're also animals the same as the cow on your dinner plate.  Some people (I'm not saying you particularly) seem to find that hard to grasp.  I really can't understand how letting a 'vegetable' (for want of a better word) basically suffer is any nicer a way to go about things than ending it all for them.  Does a horse that breaks its legs get to have extremely expensive ways of keeping it going?  No they just go "hey ho, we'll have to get another one to race around on now" and shoot it right there.  Euthanasia is fine by me and I'd sign myself up to it if I could.  I don't wanna be a person who has to be spoon fed and can't get it together to go to the toilet.

It's up to the parents in the case of babies.  If they'd like to look after it no matter what I don't mind.  What a morbid conversation  :P

which is also something i disagree with as well 

This is just disturbing I dont agree at all, anyway is not even parents decission, they (doctors) have taken the choice of kill somebody else without consulting him/her if he/she wants to live or not.

I work in PICU in Chicago and we spend millions of dollars to keep all kinds of kids alive. I Have never heard of that happening in a US hospital. There would be major lawsuits! We only withdraw life support when a patient suffers irreversible brain damage or there is no hope of recovery. In the US we give kidsl ike that GTUBES to be fed, traches and ventilators to breathe. This can cost millions of dollars per kid!

I find this very hard to believe, you can't just do things like that and get away with it if a baby dies like that post mortems are done and malnourishment etc would be discovered too many post mortem results like this on handicapped babies and there would be an enquiry. Besides if this was the case then no handicapped babies would survive beyond the first couple of weeks, yet most make it.

 If a child is found to be badly handicapped during scans during a pregnancy the parents are given the chance to have an abortion because it can save them years of heartache and is viewed as being kindest to the baby. I can only see this being true/possible if a baby is born and found to be badly handicapped and the doctors discuss the option off the record with the parents of allowing the baby to pass away for the same reasons as the abortion then perhaps. I cannot believe that half the doctors on baby wards are cold hearted murderers who allow babies to starve because they feel like it. 

Just out of curiosity, who here is pro-abortion? I have always been confused with people who are pro-abortion, yet anti-eugenics. It's hypocritical.

Amen Walk.  How some people can't see the hypocrisy in not being responsible for a healthy, normal child but plain old out-raged at the idea of killing a mutant/abnormal child.  I guess there's some arbitrary value that's bestowed upon a child once it's seen light and taken its first breath.  However, seconds before then it would be alright to suck its brains out. 

Are you on Fing crack? Seconds before then? People can't have abortions that late in the US, it's illegal. In fact most abortions in the us are performed very early in the pregnancy, before any brainwaves start. Don't give me this BS, as it's a scientific fact, and i can go get my sources very quickly on this. I can understand not liking it, but let's not  compare it to murder.

We're not just talking about the US are we?? In fact, we were talking about hospitals in Europe.? But my point remains the same.? Why is a 3 month old fetus not a human life?? Any answer you give me is arbitrary.? But let's say you go with the most rational response and say because a 3 month old fetus isn't a fully developed human being.? In that case, the same justification can be given to a severely deformed or retarded infant that is born.? That particular child shares about as much in common with the human race as a chimp, maybe even less so.? Ignoring the few comments from the wack jobs, most people find it humane to put down a dog, horse or other animal that is suffering and beyond help.? So if we as humans show enough compassion to put an "animal" out of its misery, why do we seclude ourselves from that kind of compassion?? It's a double standard that is based entirely on subjective, arbitrary beliefs and are entirely emotional and reactionary.? I love my dog enough to put him down if he was ever suffering and there was nothing I could do to stop it.? You bet your ass I'd hope someone would do the same to me.? I'm talking strictly about voluntary euthanasia.? I have a hard time believing that Doctors in Europe are euthanizing infants as standard practice.? That story would have broke along time ago and people would have put an end to it.

I'll let George Carlin explain this to you: "Now, is a fetus a human being?  This seems to be the central question.  Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn't count them?  If a fetus is a human being, how come when there's a miscarriage they don't have a funeral?  If a fetus is a human being, how come people say, 'We have two children and one's on the way,' instead of saying we have three children?"

So like, what you do is post about it on a Guns N' Roses forum?

If you really are that upset about it why don't you take some action that could prevent this from happening now, and in the future.
Speak to authorities, go to to the tabloids or do something instead posting futile comments in a GN'R forum.

Go to the tabloids, they love getting the opportunity to gloat in the revelation of some "scandal".

At least you, or your mother could give the filthy scumbags some information that isn't about shaming some arsehole "celebrity" or politcian,? and would lead to the nation being alerted to crimes against they're children!!

Fuck sake!!
 :rant:

Olorin is right.

The people who have tried in the past ( some have) have been told by " officials" to hush it and it keeps going.

I had a reason to post it on the net and it's far from futile.

Internet is, to this day, the number 1 source for gossip, information and public outrage.

A lot of people from ALL OVER THE WORLD read boards and some are more important than you'd think.

In a bit, if this goes around as it should, they will have no choice but to do something about it as it will become publically embarassing.

Yeah but if we spread this info around to everyone it's just idle gossip and nobody would take us seriously.  Your mother is in an inside position which means she could surely find a way to prove that this happens.  If she took proof to the press then those responsible would be exposed and punished.

Now, I don't know exactly how one might get proof of this, even from an inside position.  It must be possible though.  If she did call the press I bet they'd have a good idea of what to do next - that's if she really does want to do something about this.

just another form of aborting a life.. whats the difference of now and when they were fetuses.. none. sick