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Title: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: Sherply on July 13, 2006, 06:48:18 AM
Here's what I found about this song:

"It was written about Charles Manson and the Manson Girls. Axl has met Manson and one of his girls - Gypsy. These girls are now interested in gardening, and they attend the garden every day. Manson also has a website ATWA, which means:Air, Trees, Water, Animals. In the song, Axl made reference to an insane man (Manson), life inside a garden, Gypsy, trees, and more. By the way, one of the reasons Alice Cooper was selected for the song was that he himself had written several songs about Charles Manson in the 70s. "

So...It's the first time I ever knew this. Anyone got some more detailed information about this song ? Is it ture about all those Charles Manson? meanings ?
 :peace:


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: IzzyDutch on July 13, 2006, 07:27:03 AM
http://www.gnrinfo.tk/

Written by: "The Garden" was written by Axl, West Arkeen, and Del James. The music was generally written by West Arkeen, while Del and Axl wrote the lyrics. Del's parts are sung by Alice Cooper.
Written in: "The Garden" was written in or before 1988.

Performed live: "The Garden" was played live in February, March and April, 1993. It was performed live for the first time, in Austin, TX, on February 23, 1993.

In Their Own Words:

Slash: Axl sang a part in 'The Garden,' and it sounded exactly like Alice Cooper, I mean, it sounded
exactly like Alice. So we were like, 'Let's get Alice to do it,' you know, rather than just steal his style. So Alice
came down and sang it. It was cool."

Alice Cooper: I was in LA, staying at the Sunset Marquis. I was watching an old movie when Axl called me. It was about two in the morning and he says, 'Hey, listen, can you do the vocal on this song 'The Garden'? I went down there and I listened to it and said, 'Yeah, I'll do it.' So we do it but when Axl sings, you can't stay with him. I'm sitting there and
I'm trying to do a duet with him and I said, 'Listen guys, this is my range. I end right here.' He was two octaves
ahead of me and I'm going, 'Okay, okay. You do the real high parts and I'll stay down here.' When you're in the
studio, a one-on-one with him, it's really amazing. When he's on the other mike, you're like, 'Jeez this guy can
really sing.' Axl was a definite perfectionist . Almost to the point where you wanted to say, 'At some point, Axl,
it's gonna be good enough.' With 'The Garden,' it was an easy bit for me to do. I did my bit maybe three times but
when Axl was doing his vocals, he treated it very intricately. Rock and roll isn't supposed to be perfect. I'm afraid
of it sounding too perfect. I mean, Bob Ezrin recorded Pink Floyd's The Wall three times. They probably did it like
six times before they put it out. You never know if a person is not happy with it or if they're afraid of the
material. The Beatles must listen back to Sgt. Pepper and go, 'Oh, man, why didn't we do this?' As an artist, you
gotta know when the painting is done.

Slash: I came up with the solo that day in the studio, so there wasn't much practicing involved. I had the basic idea, improvised it, and did it a couple of times. I played it overhand. This solo is particularly focused, in terms of where your energy is. I thought of Jeff Beck. That's cool. I like Jeff Beck.?

The Garden was an old song, pre AFD or around that time so I doubt the story about Charles Manson is 100% true. There's also a drummachine demo of it.


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: Sherply on July 13, 2006, 07:31:38 AM
IzzyDutch, that's a good read 8)
But still, any connection between the song and Manson and his girls ? ::)


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: slashisvr on July 13, 2006, 12:32:27 PM
i thought the song was a metaphore, the garden meaning a place where evreyone gets fucked on bozze, drugs and girls


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: ryba on July 14, 2006, 05:30:49 AM
i thought the song was a metaphore, the garden meaning a place where evreyone gets fucked on bozze, drugs and girls
Me too.


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: droezle on July 14, 2006, 07:21:45 AM
Here's what I found about this song:

"It was written about Charles Manson and the Manson Girls. Axl has met Manson and one of his girls - Gypsy. These girls are now interested in gardening, and they attend the garden every day. Manson also has a website ATWA, which means:Air, Trees, Water, Animals. In the song, Axl made reference to an insane man (Manson), life inside a garden, Gypsy, trees, and more. By the way, one of the reasons Alice Cooper was selected for the song was that he himself had written several songs about Charles Manson in the 70s. "

So...It's the first time I ever knew this. Anyone got some more detailed information about this song ? Is it ture about all those Charles Manson? meanings ?
 :peace:

There is a serious smell of bolocks on this rumour.
The only thing i know about this song is that it was written during the Appetite sessions.


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: Gargh! on July 16, 2006, 07:54:19 PM
slashisvr, that does seem quite plausable, especially in light of the video - decedance, sleaze etc.

However (and this is only from my experiance in songwriting) I think that it is natural, when writing to add several layers of meaning to a song .  Different phrases are cryptic refferances to different things, some can mean two or more things... I mean, just listen to some REM, cryptic or what?  I'm not saying that this is the case with The Garden, nor could I point out the various levels of meaning.  Only Axl can do that, and I suppose Del also.   


Title: Re: the meaning of "The Garden"
Post by: novemberparadise23 on August 17, 2006, 02:15:12 AM
garden great song