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from mygnr in response to HMV UK printing flyers telling people to pre-order CD for November 13:

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post Today, 04:44 PM
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i work at HMV here in canada and the pre awarness bulletin we have for chinese democracy says september 19th


so i dont think this is the be all and end all of truths
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I know, she has 16 posts, but the plot thickens...

i think septembers too early.

post a link of where she/he posted that.

Nobody knows anything until management announces it.  We've been down this road with noname companies advertising CD.

oh my god, it's confirmed?????

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74449&st=45

HMV are not a no-name company. They're one of the largest entertainment vendors in Europe.

yes but they advertised CD on a flyer before and nothing came about.

I don't believe HMV has a date yet, considering a date hasn't been set.

But they could of been informed that something from GNR is on the way.

this i love

What's there not to love about endless unconfirmed release dates?

HMV is full of BS.

we've seen this kind of talk before

I stopped ready there ?:hihi:


oh my god, No  : ok:

more than once :nervous:

HMV??? what is?????

If you digg in this forum you should find a scan or two of previous flyers from hmv from a long time ago with the date on them. This leads me to believe they are wishfully thinking once again but we'll see.

I still have my copy on order from HMV UK  ::)

I remember that HMV once had the new GN'R album listed for October 1996, so I wouldn't take it too seriously...

atleast it falls on a tuesday!

Actually I think that Sept is the month{for something} heres why....

The tour ends at the end of this month. This gives Axl 2-3 weeks to finish the album and send it in.

They have that California gig at the end of September. That will in all likely hood be the launch of Chinese Democracy.

Im expecting atleast the single to be out sometime in Sept. Album to follow in October.

If we get real lucky we will have the single end of Aug and album end of Sept.

I think that the album won't be out until November or December, unfortunately.

I think that there is work to be done on the album, at least as far as the tracklist, mastering, perhaps some mixing.  I hope there is no more recording left to be done :)

I think/hope these issues will be addressed in August when the band returns from Europe.  I guess we'll see.  Hopefully that update of the website Richard Fortus mentioned in an e-mail will contain information on the album.

We can only pray  :hihi:

Ali

The tracklisting and mastering not being completed is not much of a big deal.  You can figue out the tracklisting in a day. Mastering takes 1 or 2 days.

If there is still mixing to be done, then that'll take some time.

I'm sure they are past the mixing stage. : ok:

Its already mid July. No way in hell is the album coming out in September. Maybe if there's an announcement tomorrow.

You can trust us Canadians. I think the album pretty much has to come out in September. We know Axl is playing LA in September and that he's going to start a North American tour. The album has to be out before he embarks on the North Amercian tour or thing will go tits up.

axl said fall, september 19 is still summer ;)

for once, i agree :o

plus, HMV has said this stuff before:

(http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/pics/hmv_flyer0502.jpg)

His Masters Voice - a very old and very big chain of record, video etc. stores in Europe.  I think they have a labe, but I'm not sure.

Sorry to say - US will be the forum for the official announcement.

This is the what, fifth or sixth time HMV has posted bogus release dates?

I remember like 2 weeks about HMV.co.uk had a date posted that Merck confirmed as bullshit. Should we just not bother with HMV anymore?

*sings* blame canada, blame canada!

I think it would not bode well for any USA tour if they dont have at least an announcement and single out by Inland Invasion--which i assumed was/is the kickoff for promotion of the tour and new material....Europe has gone surprisingly well without anything new really, but thats largely because most of these countries hadnt had a glimpse of uncle axl in over a decade. alot of the states folks will be waay more fickle.

is september fall in the US? I thought it was

september would be a good month - enough time for reviews (hopefully positive) to catch on and set up a buzz for Xmas market.

but.. if all that is remaining is track selection, well that could take more than a couple of months surely? we're talking about an insane perfectionist here.

Throw in mastering ( this could be complete surely?) and youve still got quite a wait right there

i can't understand why people are still discussing bull shit like this, i mean the release date of CD is a hot topic, but what the fuck makes you think that hmv in fucking CANADA knows anything more than anyone else, it's the same shit all over again, how many times haven't we had this shit from different sites, amazon even had it as a pre-order option for gods sake and what happened, no CD??? as if CD actually had a release date set and gn'r wanted to keep it a secret, just to sell les records lol

and don't talk about preventing the album from being leaked, as soon as the actual cd's are pressed it's going to leak no matter what, and people here will be the first to know about it...

i do believe tho that 06 is the year for CD and late fall early christmas could be a smart time to let it go because of christmas sales etc, don't trust a record store, trust the management and it's press releases which you'll find in the news section on this very site. That said, after being here a few years it wouldn't surprice me if cd didn't drop in 06...

I think everyone should just be glad if they were able to see GNR on tour this year

Fall "officially" begins Sept. 22nd.  But Labor Day (First Monday in September, Sept. 4th this year) is the unofficial end of Summer and beginning of Fall in the States.

Sept. 19th is my birthday....that would be a nice present  ;D

I can't imagine that is the CD the album......however, maybe it is CD the single.    You have to think this would be an ideal time to drop the first single just a few weeks before the US leg of the tour.     

Saying that.....I hope to god it CD isn't the first single.

The reason this is a little more interesting is because albums come out at the same time in US/Canada, whereas Europe they're sometimes delayed. 19th is a Tuesday so it's possible. And it's close enough to "Fall" as to still fit into what the band/Axl have been saying. Plus the Cali concert...

I'd mark this one as only a little more likely than the usual release date rumors. Like 1% better but still who knows.

If they do drop a single before the show in CA, it can't be somthing they've been playing even though Better and TWAT are awesome, it has to be something we haven't heard and it has to be released under studio quality sound not demo or live.  But if they are planning to tour in the US in the fall into winter, when has a album ever been released during a tour? Would that make sense to do?

Most bands drop albums either before or very soon after the start of a tour. That said, "most bands" doesn't apply here.

they did release use your illusion well after the start of the world tour in 91 so it wouldn't be that surprising.

but i think we should just wait an afficial press release and stop looking for release dates in different stores around the globe

My words too... : ok:

wow~!

i dont think so.

I doubt it.

i sincerely doubt it....but ya never know...if it was true then why doesn't hmv.com have it listed?

IF...........

THERE'S..........

he said it^^^

That's exactly the way i feel about the impending release of this album; and i won't get xcited, upset, or pissed about it because I will see it when i see it....

HMV is notorious for jumping the gun but I do think they will try to sneak the album into stores without a lot of notice to avoid bootlegging.  I'm sure they'll start promoting the album about a week before its release and after that, but this is an album that doesn't need promotion to sell in the first week.  The media will promote the album once they discover it's being released and the hype surrounding it, the album will sell itself at least in the first week.  This album won't be marketed using conventional strategies that much is obvious

If by bootlegging you mean downloading, it wont matter. Most albums leak when they go to manufacture, leaked by plant workers etc. So they might as well promote it regardless. If it's a good album it'll sell, if it's not it won't, that's all there is to it.

Every album gets bootlegged, but sometimes they're able to cut down the window.  If the send it to be pressed in low key fashion they might be able to keep it from getting leaked until a week or so before the release date.  Some albums get leaked two months before they come out, others they manage to keep under wraps until a week or two before the release date.  I'm sure GnR will do everything they can to make sure the latter happens.  But no matter what they'll have a huge first week so they don't need to heavily promote the album at first, only after the release

that guns n roses box set that was due out back in june is now due out july 18, now im sure its nothing, but is there the slightest chance its cd in disguise and just going to keep getting pushed back until fall

You really expect Chinese Democracy to come out in 4 days with no promotion?  ::)

Try reading it again.