Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I hardly ever listen to the album because of this.  It makes it much less authentic. 

Does anyone know why?

because he wasnt happy with the way some of the lyrics were sung i guess, like the whole song would of been unless axl slipped and there for mumbling some words, so he must have redone them because he cares so much about us!!

but then it's not a real live album.   :(

nope.some of slashs notes have been redone.

that was just a rumour.. and that rumour aint true..
watch the "use your illusion DVD" from tokyo and watch estranged that's the exact same song that's on the live era.. i think "move to the city" is also from that concert.. just watch it and have the cd ready to compare the 2 and you'll see that it's the exact same

these songs are from the tokyo concert:

Disc 1:

11. November Rain [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)


Disc 2:

02. Pretty Tied Up [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)

04. Move To The City [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)
05. You Could Be Mine [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)

09. Don't Cry [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)
10. Estranged [Tokyo, Japan 02-22-1992] (Recorded by Jim Mitchell)


watch the damn DVD and listen to the album and stop believe in stupid rumours about axl : ok:

I haven't listen to Live Era for a long time, but doesn't Axl sing that "..with your ass in the air!" -part on YCBM? 'Cause I don't remember hearing it on the Tokyo-DVD's. Actually I have heard it only on '93-bootlegs (probably late '92 too) ::)

I thought Axl even said some vocals are re-recorded... that part about Slash is new to me though, also it seems unlikely to me since he's not the type who'd redo solos like that.

The songs from the concerts where picked by Del James and he did a lousy job at it.. for example the Rocket Queen version, there are tons of better versions of it out there. Hell this version doesn't even have a second guitar on it. Don't know what happened with Gilby's guitar but it ain't on it.

That's true. I know alot of better versions.. not just RQ, but other songs too. And why isn't DTJ on this record.. one of the best live songs ever.

To be it's pretty damn ovious it's been over dubbed. As for Estranged imo, if you Listen ot the Live Era version and the UYI DVD version you can tell it's been overdubbed, especailly the last verse, it isn't as raspy as the UYI DVD version.

Get the bootlegs from the shows the sogns are taken from and you'll be able to hear that the majority (not exactly all) songs/parts have been over dubbed vocally and/or the guitar work.

I think the Tokyo DVD's were a collaboration of 2 shows...

But I don't hear it on the bootlegs either..

Cheating on live discs is a fairly common thing. If you want a pure live audio experience, get the boots.

i think you will find your wrong...

on the Live Era CD, he introduces the song, and the song starts. notice how he sings the first lines smoothly.
go and listen to the DVD, you will see that when he introduces the song, and starts singing, it aint smooth and nice, hes singing with loads of rasp.

just one of many alterations.

hell i love the cd though, dont care if its not 'proper' live, it still sounds it.

november rain was clearly from the tokyo DVDs, and slash's solo was redone!!you can tell, or it was a diffrent solo from another concert!!

I think they've mixed some songs with different versions.. but anyway, I don't consider it as a real LIVE-album anymore. It's like LLAS :smoking:
But anyway, www.gnrontour.com says:

Disc 1
1. Nightrain [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
2. Mr. Brownstone [London, 8.31.91]
3. It's So Easy [Paris, 6.6.92]
4. Welcome To The Jungle
5. Dust N' Bones [New York, 5.16.91]
6. My Michelle [London, 8.31.91]
7. You're Crazy [Tokyo, 12.10.88]
8. Used To Love Her [Tokyo, 12.10.88]
9. Patience [1st half - Mexico '93 OR Paris, 7.13.93; 2nd half - Paris, 6.6.92]
10. It's Alright [Houston, 9.4.92]
11. November Rain [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
12. Coma [Omaha, 4.10.93] * ^

Disc 2
1. Out Ta Get Me [London, 6.28.87]
2. Pretty Tied Up [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
3. Yesterdays [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
4. Move To The City [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
5. You Could Be Mine [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
6. Rocket Queen [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]
7. Sweet Child O' Mine [Paris, 6.6.92]
8. Knockin' On Heaven's Door [London, 4.20.92]
9. Don't Cry [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
10. Estranged [Tokyo, 2.22.92]
11. Paradise City [Las Vegas, 1.25.92]

No way! It can't be true. Listen to YCBM for example..

wasnt out ta get me 87 at the marquee??wasnt that the only GNR UK gig in 87??and that isnt from the marquee on the album

if that list is true also, doesnt it seem weird that they miss alot of the erlier years??i mean IMHO some of there best gigs were in the 87-89 era, why would they include them?

..And almost every song is from '92. Del James has to be deaf : ok:

it certainly appears so.he also missed classics, i also think they should have made it inot a show like having slash's godfather theme into another song.they missed some great songs!!AND WHY DO THE JAPS GET COMA???

I could tell it was re-done on alot of songs, its hard to explain, its like on Live Era, its clearly his 'new voice' its like high and growly mixed, whereas the old rasp sounded different, more wholesome to me this sounds very obvious on some songs, particularly the harder rocking ones

yeah that's right, the DVD is the best from two shows where they picked out the best of songs and put them on the DVD..
so if he sings "with your ass in the air" on YCBM on the album and not on the DVD doesn't mean that it's a re-done vocals it's just that the song on the album is not the same as on the DVD.. if you know what i mean

Yeah, and to be sure I checked it by listening to the other concert too. No "with your ass in the air".. And where does it say that the dvd's are a collaboration of 2 shows?

well actually there was three shows in tokyo dome in 1992, 19 feb, 20 feb and 22 feb.. and it's maybe out of these three shows that the DVD is from.. i found it on www.gnrontour.com and if you look at the shows from 1992 you'll find it..
anyway this thread was about the whole album. (wich i think is a real live album) not the "with your ass in the air" part of YCBM :hihi: :peace:

Yeah, but I just tried to proof that the info about YCBM and other songs has to be wrong, or they have really mixed them to sound very, very different. There's no "with your ass in the air" in any on the three shows.. as it wasn't used during that leg of the tour.

To those who have been talking about "Estranged"....the music is definitely from the Toyko show, but Axl replaced his vocals.

firstly, it doesnt sound the same.? secondly, on the Tokyo DVD, Axl sings "but everything we've ever known's here" on the final verse, but on the live album, he sings "seems everything we've ever known's here".? so the slight lyric change gives him away on that one.

I'm surpised nobody has given any mention to songs such as "My Michelle", "Nightrain", and "Rocket Queen".? the newly recorded vocals are laughably obvious on those songs.? Axl didnt even use vocals from other shows, he completely re-sang those songs in the studio.? Axl never ever sounded as good live as he did on those three songs on Live Era, not on one single GNR show from any era.? Anybody who collects GNR bootlegs knows this.

As for "rumors", well, the vocal re-recording of Live Era isn't a rumor, it's 100% fact.? We dont need proof, it's just there.? as they say, the proof is in the pudding, because all you need to do is listen.? It's like saying it's only rumor that Axl had botox.? ?we dont need proof, we can look at his face and tell.? we dont need the receipt from his surgeon.

I agree, the re-recorded vocals sound crap!

if you think that re-recording vocals or guitars means it's not a 'real' live album,then I guess there never were any 'real' live albums put out by any band,because it's a fact that when any band puts out a live album there are always thing re-recorded in the studio,all bands do that,it's nothing new.

I often thought that the version of Dust n' Bones was just horrible and wondered why it was included when superior versions exist.

Yeah, I prefer St. Louis version 8) + All the '91 European leg -versions..

My michelle??are you sure??why would her bring in michelle after all these years?? im refering to the "you lil bitch" in between chorus, why after these years?

His vocals on those live versions must have been shitty. Live Era is just a cash grab in my opinion.

I never knew the use your illusion dvds are 2 shows-i always thought it was one show on 2 dvds.But i guess that explains why axl has like a white mark on his face on the 2nd dvd and on the 1st dvd he hasn't.

I don't think the dvd's are taken from two different gigs :-*

Each DVD isn't a different show.. They just took the best versions from the Tokyo shows and combined them. There are probably songs from each night on both DVDs..

And where have you read this? 'Cause I have heard that the two other nights weren't used.. and I have listened to those bootlegs, and don't find anything similar compared to the DVD's. And gnrontour.com says "This show was officially released by GN'R as the 2 home videos Use Your Illusion I & II" under the last Tokyo show..

Why are YCBM and November Rain swapped around on the Toyko DVDs?

dont know just b/c hes axl i guess lol

Yup, Slash's solo was definitely touched up. In the second half of the solo on the DVD, he bends a note way out of tune and tries to mute it. The solo on the Live Era album has no mistakes. So they must have done some form of editing...

prolly 'cause they wanted to start the second dvd with a rock song or something like that

Yes there wre over-dubbs on "live era" so what? most people don't realize this but alot of live albums have over-dubbs. The famous album "Kiss Alive" was over-dubbed. it's pretty common. I read an article that said slash and axl both went in to record parts for the CD. but they both were never there at the same time. so i know it was true. And yes i did notice things were changed when I compared the tokyo dvd's to "the live" era songs. In a live situation artist cannot control the quailty of the sound, but to fix the problem in post-production is pretty common.

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I think you can release a great show UNTOUCHED.
I mean Ritz 1988. I mean Rio 1991, both nights. I mean Indiana 1991. Perfection does not need corrections.
I think ignoring a 3-year legacy (1987-1988-1991) of the best rock n' roll performances ever is a very bad choice.
I think choosing 90% of the songs from a time when the band was falling appart (1992) is another very bad choice.
I think releasing a live record like that is a joke.

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I think you should listen to some bootlegs. Other than those proshots you already mentioned..

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Hi Kaasu, thanks for the suggestion, I have tons of Guns n' Roses bootegs and I love them all! : ok:

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the two videos gnr released are from one show. since they already aired on jap.tv they decided to release them on videos. that's it.

Yeah i read that too. Although i think slash went on to say that he realised almost all of it was already fine so he didn't have to fix much.

majority of the bands do this, but not all. When Ozzy put out the tribute the Randy Rhoads album, randy rhoads had already died in a plane crash and he didnt re-record anything for that album. but that is a rare case, most others have things re-recorded, i wouldnt say all though.

some of the old songs should have been used from the old days...Nightrain..It?s not the same..But GNR had that big-ass AREAN sound in the 90?s so