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Title: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Niko on July 06, 2006, 08:31:21 PM
since its july
and all indicates that cd is coming in september
when do you expect a press release coming out?

i mean we are like 8 weeks far from september


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LittleFly on July 06, 2006, 08:33:20 PM
A month ago ;D


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Tomorrows on July 06, 2006, 08:34:07 PM
Expect the unexpected.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mattattack on July 06, 2006, 09:01:26 PM
Nearly 2 Months Ago.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: snead hearn on July 06, 2006, 09:14:30 PM
tomorrow. In the alternate universe.

I wouldn't say 'all indicates that cd is coming in September'. We can certainly speculate some sort of press releases / blahzayblah between the end of the current Euro tour dates and Inland Invasion.

I'm hoping against hope that we do hear something in that time window. But then again, who knows?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mandy. on July 06, 2006, 09:17:32 PM
I say it's coming out in November (late fall, right?).

Hope we hear something by the end of next month.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: the dirt on July 06, 2006, 09:23:12 PM
I don't know what to answer here...

Maybe it'll just drop without a press release from the band. It will probably be noticed anyways.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Gnr_man202 on July 06, 2006, 09:25:26 PM
I say it's coming out in November (late fall, right?).

Hope we hear something by the end of next month.
Wow...that's a nice...'guess' ;)


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: axlsalinger on July 06, 2006, 09:28:33 PM
For the first time in a long time, I am still optimistic that this thing will finally come out. Axl has been out and about for quite some time and is still doin' fine (with a couple of minor skirmishes along the way).

I do think it will be pushed back to November, and an announcement will be made in September (perhaps in August). I really hope it comes out this year, and a September release is still very possible (if Axl okays it).


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: -Jack- on July 06, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
I dont think were gonna hear anything till late august.. but thats just me.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Verse Chorus Verse on July 06, 2006, 09:35:52 PM
2025?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: theillusion on July 06, 2006, 09:36:11 PM
since its july
and all indicates that cd is coming in september
when do you expect a press release coming out?

i mean we are like 8 weeks far from september
if it's really coming out in september the press release the official press release with official release date for the cd should be this month!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 09:36:39 PM
I say it's coming out in November (late fall, right?).

Hope we hear something by the end of next month.
my thoughts exactally ;)


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: gnr2006 on July 06, 2006, 09:51:42 PM
Announcement: October
Release: December




Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:11:51 PM
Its not coming out in 2006.  Any announcement would just be another excuse for the delay...


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:12:46 PM
yep.. What he said. ^^^


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Steel_Angel on July 06, 2006, 10:13:13 PM
 :-X we'll see.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: BurningHills on July 06, 2006, 10:14:25 PM
Lookingthru and Estranged...kindly fuck off and leave the board, m'kay?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Steel_Angel on July 06, 2006, 10:16:20 PM
Lookingthru nad Estranged...kindly fuck off and leave the board, m'kay?
agreed. estranged 2006 go back to your linkinpark forum or vr, where ever u came from.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:18:43 PM
Lookingthru nad Estranged...kindly fuck off and leave the board, m\'kay?

why?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:19:40 PM
Lookingthru nad Estranged...kindly fuck off and leave the board, m'kay?

You're telling me to fuck off, because I just told you what WILL happen. ?You know the expression: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me. ?How many times are you going to let Axl fool you? ?

CD will come out, when it comes out.? That's the bottom line. Haven't you people learned by now that Axl doesn't let you (the fan) set any timetables for him. ?Why get your hopes up?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: BurningHills on July 06, 2006, 10:20:05 PM
Because the last thing we need is more negativity surrounding the band - if you hate the new lineup/don't think the album is coming out, go play in the old lineup's section if you aren't gonna leave.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: kaddisonmoore on July 06, 2006, 10:21:23 PM
well i think before the US tour and after the European tour


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:24:23 PM
Because the last thing we need is more negativity surrounding the band - if you hate the new lineup/don\'t think the album is coming out, go play in the old lineup\'s section if you aren\'t gonna leave.

who u? telling what \"we need\"  i like the new band but i dont have to tell to you that. i dont care what you think. 

i dont think the new album is coming out coz there is no single. no relase date. i have heard axl say MANY times that hes album will be out \"soon\" but never still any album.

ok? now u go play in the old lineups section ok?!!!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Steel_Angel on July 06, 2006, 10:25:25 PM
Because the last thing we need is more negativity surrounding the band - if you hate the new lineup/don\'t think the album is coming out, go play in the old lineup\'s section if you aren\'t gonna leave.

who u? telling what \"we need\"? i like the new band but i dont have to tell to you that. i dont care what you think.?

i dont think the new album is coming out coz there is no single. no relase date. i have heard axl say MANY times that hes album will be out \"soon\" but never still any album.

ok? now u go play in the old lineups section ok?!!!
:rofl: get lost.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:25:35 PM
Estranged, we need to kindly fuck off, because we're choosing not to be duped by Axl (for like the 10th time). ?Oh, the mind is a terrible thing to waste... ? ::)


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: BurningHills on July 06, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
how old are you kids, like 13..14 at the oldest?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:35:07 PM
how old are you kids, like 13..14 at the oldest?

I can't say, but old enough to have a well enough developed brain to understand that trusting Axl's word is like trusting a used car salesman's word.? ?:hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:36:49 PM
Estranged, we need to kindly fuck off, because we\\\'re choosing not to be duped by Axl (for like the 10th time).  Oh, the mind is a terrible thing to waste...   ::)

lfmao.. yeah. seriously people post a thread about when will the press release gonna come? we dont think its gonna come this year and now its \\\"fuck off\\\" \\\"13,14,15 year old\\\" \\\"go play in old section\\\"...  why? coz i dont belive the album or press relaese is gonna be this year? we have this topics every years.


ok i think press release will come on   november 4 2006 at 0800edt 

happy now? can i stay and play with you guys on the new members board?

gimme a break people.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: BurningHills on July 06, 2006, 10:39:49 PM
Learn how to spell "Finck" before you comment on an album involving the new band.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:43:22 PM
Learn how to spell \"Finck\" before you comment on an album involving the new band.

is that in the board rules someplace? i need to spell all words correct? ok thanks!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: BurningHills on July 06, 2006, 10:44:39 PM
No, but if you want people to take you (somewhat) seriously - it might help.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:45:34 PM
Estranged, YOU SAID CHINESE DEMOCRACY WON'T COME OUT IN 2006!!!  YOU'VE COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN!!!!!!   

 :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: badintentions on July 06, 2006, 10:45:49 PM
People are jumping on anyone that doubts it will come out this year. wow. it's not like it is ridiculous to guess that it won't.

My guess is that there is absolutely no way it will be out in September. There would be a single out already or an announcement of a single at the very least.

My guess would be December. November at the earliest. Press release would be in September, Single in late October early November.

They are crazy to tour the US without an album. But they will. Again.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 10:48:04 PM
People are jumping on anyone that doubts it will come out this year. wow. it's not like it is ridiculous to guess that it won't.

We doubted God.? We should expect to be flogged for our disobediance.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: estranged2006 on July 06, 2006, 10:49:35 PM
Estranged, YOU SAID CHINESE DEMOCRACY WON\'T COME OUT IN 2006!!!  YOU\'VE COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN!!!!!!   

 :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:  :hihi:

yep. im sure my karma will drop for it. but everyone who said \"fuck off\" or \"13, 14, 15\" or whatever will be over looked.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 10:59:07 PM
It will be out this year, I have no doubt about that. :yes:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 11:00:55 PM
It will be out this year, I have no doubt about that. :yes:

You're right.  Why would anyone ever doubt it?


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 11:02:44 PM
It will be out this year, I have no doubt about that. :yes:

You're right.? Why would anyone ever doubt it?

whats with you man? obviously you are just trying to and start a back and forth confrontation with everyone. soo ridiculous ::)


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 11:04:34 PM
It will be out this year, I have no doubt about that. :yes:

You're right.? Why would anyone ever doubt it?

I've been told personally by a credible source that's never mislead me before, so unless plans change here within the next few months I'll take his word for it......


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 11:05:20 PM
whats with you man? obviously you are just trying to and start a back and forth confrontation with everyone. soo ridiculous ::)

No, I'm not starting anything.  I replied to Mr. Intensity's statement.  Mr. Intensity started it.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 11:09:21 PM
yeah, youve posted basically that same comment.. 20 times in this thread already and when someone goes to bash you... you just say it again. you and that estranged guy.

so, like i said... ri-di-cu-lous  :no:

 :D


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 11:12:02 PM
yeah, youve posted basically that same comment.. 20 times in this thread already and when someone goes to bash you... you just say it again. you and that estranged guy.

so, like i said... ri-di-cu-lous? :no:

 :D

Who cares about the trolls, there is no reason to believe the album won't come out this year. We've gotten 4 leaks, about 30 shows, press releases from the band regarding incidents, various members of the band mailing forum board members stating the album is coming out, the train is rolling full speed ahead, nothing anyone can do will stop it now. Axl's got his swagger back, he's going to crush the naysayers like ants.  : ok:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 11:13:45 PM


Who cares about the trolls, there is no reason to believe the album won't come out this year. We've gotten 4 leaks, about 30 shows, press releases from the band regarding incidents, various members of the band mailing forum board members stating the album is coming out, the train is rolling full speed ahead, nothing anyone can do will stop it now. Axl's got his swagger back, he's going to crush the naysayers like ants.? : ok:

well said, Mr. Intensity :yes: i couldnt agree more.. and cant you just feel the tingle as "late fall" gets closer and closer?  :hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 11:16:00 PM


Who cares about the trolls, there is no reason to believe the album won't come out this year. We've gotten 4 leaks, about 30 shows, press releases from the band regarding incidents, various members of the band mailing forum board members stating the album is coming out, the train is rolling full speed ahead, nothing anyone can do will stop it now. Axl's got his swagger back, he's going to crush the naysayers like ants.? : ok:

well said, Mr. Intensity :yes: i couldnt agree more.. and cant you just feel the tingle as "late fall" gets closer and closer?? :hihi:

I can't wait until I get that damn disc in my hand and I can't wait until they come back to the States to see them once again. :smoking:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 11:25:18 PM
Chinese Democracy will not come out in 2006.? I'd take up a bet with you guys, but I'd be taking your money...? ?:o


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 11:30:41 PM
Chinese Democracy will not come out in 2006.? I'd take up a bet with you guys, but I'd be taking your money...? ?:o

I've already have a bet on it actually.... :hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 11:35:24 PM
if it comes out this year, my pal has to buy me the CD and also give me 20 bucks. If not,  I give him 50 bucks.

But, no worries.. it'll be out... too much at risk to not release it this year.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: LookingThruThisPOV on July 06, 2006, 11:43:36 PM
it'll be out... too much at risk to not release it this year.

There's really not.? They've done nothing in North America except for the small shows in NY before they left for Europe.? People in North America aren't on the edge of their seats waiting for its release.? Hell, Axl is not even pimping it from the stage.? There's very little that would change if it were not released this year, and Axl probably knows that best.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Mr.Intensity on July 06, 2006, 11:50:42 PM
it'll be out... too much at risk to not release it this year.

There's really not.? They've done nothing in North America except for the small shows in NY before they left for Europe.? People in North America aren't on the edge of their seats waiting for its release.? Hell, Axl is not even pimping it from the stage.? There's very little that would change if it were not released this year, and Axl probably knows that best.

Yeah, he knows that even if the release is marginal it will still sell 2 million. The record is coming out.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Layne Staley's Sunglasses on July 06, 2006, 11:52:18 PM
 Hell, Axl is not even pimping it from the stage. 
Quote


You want Axl to sport his tighty-whities again?  :nervous:   :hihi:



Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: EFISH on July 06, 2006, 11:59:26 PM


You want Axl to sport his tighty-whities again?? :nervous:? ?:hihi:



you made my night : ok:
picturing that was just sooo funny! hahaah! :hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: JDA on July 07, 2006, 01:09:48 AM
I never expect anything from this band.  I've been letdown too many times.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Ana Vader on July 07, 2006, 05:25:33 AM
I hope CD is coming out very soon.
But.......I think it won't be this year anymore.
Maybe 2007.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: mikegiuliana on July 07, 2006, 05:41:08 AM
Im don't expect one.. MY mind says yes but my hear won't allow me to believe... You would think since it's july at least a single could be mentioned or about to come out..


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Six Strings on July 07, 2006, 06:04:36 AM
What the fuck is wrong with you people??? Why starting such threads when you don't give the chance people to give their fucking opinions? What's wrong thinking that there won't be a release this year? Fuck, let them be and that's all. This is their fucking opinion. Honestly, I don't think that there is going to be a release also. So what? Kill me damn it. Do I love the old band more? - Sure I do. Do I think they should reunion? - Sure I do. Do I think new GN'R rocks? - Sure I do. I read somewhere that if I love the old guys more than the new line-up I am a fucking bastard. Yeah, sure. That's why I stopped writing before. It's the same with Velvet Revolver forums. When I say something about Axl you are going to eat me. Jesus...Live and let live people!!!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: codenameninja on July 07, 2006, 06:09:14 AM
seeing as GnR can't even update their web site i'm not expecing a press release. I'll know when CD is out when i happen to spot it some day in a store in the GnR section next to the heavily reduced AFD & UYI albums  :hihi:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Athena on July 07, 2006, 06:35:50 AM
I expected a press release before the NY gigs. Didn't happen. I expected a press release before RIR, didn't happen. Now I expect a press release somewhere between the European and the American tour. Hope it happens.... :)


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: WARose on July 07, 2006, 06:41:27 AM
It will be out this year, I have no doubt about that. :yes:

You're right.  Why would anyone ever doubt it?

I've been told personally by a credible source that's never mislead me before, so unless plans change here within the next few months I'll take his word for it......

hopefully the source said september instead of december and it wasn`t axl :hihi: : ok:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: liesin on July 07, 2006, 08:24:52 AM
I strongly believe the record will be out somewhere around november, no I don't have any sources of any kind supporting this.
It just seems like a fairly reasonable month, but then again you never know.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: oldgunsfan on July 07, 2006, 08:26:07 AM
I would guess after the European tour finishes, hopefully before the show in California in Sept


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Neemo on July 07, 2006, 09:05:41 AM
there is dates always floating around .... maybe by mid-late august ??? anyway prolly about 2 months before the release date anyway


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Solidius on July 07, 2006, 09:09:51 AM
I'd say, in my opinion, that the earliest time a press release would come about would be late July while the latest would be early September.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Megaguns on July 07, 2006, 09:37:13 AM
CD is set to come out, the lawsuits with the ex members delay it due to their part ownership of the name, The album cant be released under the gnr name. Sure, Axl owns the name but as long as ex members take axl to court over some hastily signed contract years ago it cant happen,

 I say that is why the leaks happened right before the tour, Axl did it because it is the only way he could (at that time) get the music to the fans. Its Slash and duffs fault CD is not out yet, Too many legal loopholes,
We heard what axl said at rir in 2002, that alot of people tried to make him not be there. AKA slash and duff.

There is way more to it than music, once lawyers get involved the only way to get your product to the fans is to give it away and pretend it wasnt you who gave it away.

Id bet my life on it that CD is done and the leaked tracks are not even on it.
anyway... enough with the conspiracy theories. THANKYOU!!!!!! GOODNIGHT!!!!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Megaguns on July 07, 2006, 09:40:04 AM
it'll be out... too much at risk to not release it this year.

There's really not.? They've done nothing in North America except for the small shows in NY before they left for Europe.? People in North America aren't on the edge of their seats waiting for its release.? Hell, Axl is not even pimping it from the stage.? There's very little that would change if it were not released this year, and Axl probably knows that best.
well said, there is more to it thasn people would think..




oh
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IMO


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: Neemo on July 07, 2006, 09:44:13 AM
CD is set to come out, the lawsuits with the ex members delay it due to their part ownership of the name, The album cant be released under the gnr name. Sure, Axl owns the name but as long as ex members take axl to court over some hastily signed contract years ago it cant happen,

it's about the back catalogue not the name and the case was thrown out i thought :-\


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: McGann on July 07, 2006, 09:56:01 AM
I'm not a DJ
I'm a station manager...
No insider I,

But there is a buzz
A great deal of confidence
For a fall release

Among management
And the music directors
Of local stations.

Splash

/Mike




Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: RancidPunx on July 07, 2006, 10:57:08 AM
CD is set to come out, the lawsuits with the ex members delay it due to their part ownership of the name, The album cant be released under the gnr name. Sure, Axl owns the name but as long as ex members take axl to court over some hastily signed contract years ago it cant happen,

 I say that is why the leaks happened right before the tour, Axl did it because it is the only way he could (at that time) get the music to the fans. Its Slash and duffs fault CD is not out yet, Too many legal loopholes,
We heard what axl said at rir in 2002, that alot of people tried to make him not be there. AKA slash and duff.

There is way more to it than music, once lawyers get involved the only way to get your product to the fans is to give it away and pretend it wasnt you who gave it away.

Id bet my life on it that CD is done and the leaked tracks are not even on it.
anyway... enough with the conspiracy theories. THANKYOU!!!!!! GOODNIGHT!!!!

Sure ... blame Slash and Duff. They have about as much to do with CD not coming out as you or I do!


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: deanaxlrose on July 07, 2006, 11:28:46 AM
for us in this forum.who came here everyday over a years.its seems like forever,to wait for the CD is coming out.so its make any sense if some people get mad :hihi:.
but,hey its the happiest years for us the fans. first i doubt it that Axl would do this tour.but look. everything is unpredictable now.
so I still have believin' in Axl. : ok:.

sorry but my english.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: ppbebe on July 07, 2006, 12:24:44 PM
CD is set to come out, the lawsuits with the ex members delay it due to their part ownership of the name, The album cant be released under the gnr name. Sure, Axl owns the name but as long as ex members take axl to court over some hastily signed contract years ago it cant happen,

it's about the back catalogue not the name and the case was thrown out i thought :-\

yep and yep. Certainly it was dismissed soon after that excellent counterclaim of 5/5. Broody Well done Axl, the management and Mr. Weitzman ( isn't it the lawyer's name?) . : ok:


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: madagas on July 07, 2006, 12:36:54 PM
the counterclaim was on the second lawsuit about royalty checks.....we do not know if it has been dismissed or not.  : ok: However, it will not stop the release of the album.


Title: Re: When do you expect a press realease (about cd) coming out ?
Post by: ppbebe on July 07, 2006, 01:10:09 PM
I thought it was against both.

Anyways we all know that the first and main one was dismissed after the announcement for the counterclaim.