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Hey Guys!

When do you think the U.S tour will start?

We already have a Cali show for September 23rd, do you think the tour will start around this date or before?

cheers gunners, this is our year.  :beer:

its looking like september dude

We do?

I would think the tour would start AFTER the 23rd show. ?Give them a little break when they get back from Europe. ?Just a little one though. ?Not another four year break.

I see it starting afterwards as well, or perhaps late Sept. would be the kickoff as they work their way back East.  Hell, I'll just be glad to have them back in the states, no matter when it starts...

yeah faldor, i'm sure uncle axl is having his rest! and yeah it may easily take a month and a half....

back in 2002 the west shows were among the last dates....guess we can't be sure of it now.

OK, I thought that show was a possibility, not for sure.

OK, I thought that show was a possibility, not for sure.

I think Axl confirmed it live on KROQ.

On KROQ's website they have it confirmed, but no details yet.  I think they will start the US tour in California and end it in NY, since that is where Axl claims he is moving to! Finally!

well i hope guns plays in the us again before fucking korea decides to launch a missile and blow us the fuck up and a nuclear war starts

hahahaha... we would blow them the hell up long before they ever did a thing like that.
I remember right after 9/11 happened GNR and a bunch of other big name bands pulled out of various shows... at least that's what I remember.

well id hope bush would do something b4 korea did, but sometimes i think my girlfriends 8yr brother would do shit better then bush does.

yea pantera did that sucked.

If he said he was going to drop the album in the early to late fall don't you think it would be around that time, so he is promoting the new album on this tour?

dont u think the USA tour should not start until the first single is dropped to radio and until the cd is dropped to record stores first? i know many of you who live in the united states have said if this USA tour is just another 2002 rehash and also another 2006 summer rehash tour like the one which is currently going on that you all would not be happy. also if by the time that LA date rolls around if the single and cd are not out before that show wouldnt axl be making the same mistake in the states twice by doing the same set list? because if the cd is not out here in the states by september 23 wouldnt it be logical to assume the setlist will be the same setlist like the one in boston 4 years ago? i assume none of you guys  want this because you have said many times right here you dont   

Well, after seeing them in NY twice in an intimate venue, I will not be going to another show until they release the record and the setlist changes. I am certainly not going to pay to see the same songs in a shitty ampitheatre or arena. The show was great but I am long over AFD. So, here's to hoping the album comes out, but I still have my doubts about an imminent release. In typical cash grab fashion, the album will probably come out around Thanksgiving/Xmas. :-\

No political topics allowed.  :hihi:

The most expensive record never made will come out in cash grab fashion? after like '13 light' years of ever making?
No shit!  :hihi:

Back off Tank! ;D I just don't think they should have toured again without a single and album. Simple as that. Enough is enough with the waiting. :-*

well then alot of gnr fans here in the USA will be unhappy because if the cd does not come out before september 23 then when that LA show happens the setlist for it will be the same as it has been lately at these international shows and then we will see how the LA gnr fans respond to that 

the U.S. tour will probably start in october, shortly after a single is released, with the album being released sometime in november.

so the LA date on the 23rd wont count as part of that tour?  ??? the LA fans will want the entire chinese democracy cd played instead of getting played what was 4 years ago and what is playing at these shows. if the LA gnr fans dont get that they will not like it and they will show you and guns n roses how they feel about it.

I believe the tour will start in September.

There are gonna be plenty of other bands at this event.

what does that have to do with anything?  ??? if axl plays the oldies for the LA fans in september with no cd out then all hell will break loose in Los Angeles  :rant:

Goo thing the show technically is not in Los Angeles 

technically the show is in the UNITED STATES in california and all hell will break loose in california if axl still only plays the oldies with no cd out of all new songs

No it won't.  Stop overreacting.  Shows have been going well in Europe, and they went well in  New york.  I am sure that everything will be fine.  It would be great if a single or the album is out but the Sept 23 date, but if not oh well.  No why would California be so upset?

the shows have been going well in europe because european fans are different from american gnr fans. what i mean is european fans will cheer gnr no matter what because of the fact they are just seeing gnr live. but american gnr fans are different from that because they want more. they expect. their expectations and standards are higher here for gnr than what they are in europe right now. that's a fact. everyone says axl made the mistake of performing a tour 2002 with no cd. technically axl has already made that mistake twice by doing his next tour from that here in international country with no cd. it looks like on the california date he will make the same mistake for the third time with no cd. in california alot of the core gnr fans come from there who live there who travel there. california represents a huge part of the gnr fan base. the californian gnr fans expect the full "chinese democracy" cd to be played over the oldies. if they dont get it then i can assure you there will be a riot because axl will incite a riot  :rant:       

You know Axl's goal with this tour could have been the same goal as in 2002, go on tour to get the band some exposure and preview 4-6 new songs a night while playing most the classics that peopel in the audience will want to sing along with. Sure, Axl did this in 02, but for only around 10 shows..... I don't blame Axl for the setlist right now, I can see why he is doing it. But, if he gets back to New York and just keeps the same setlist up.... I'll be dissapointed. Even if Axl plays the setlist in L.A on Sep 23rd, well L.A never got it in 02, so maybe Axl feels they deserve a set with the classics because this will be the last tour where the setlist as that heavy with old material.

I think Axl, Merck and Co. have a plan. : ok:

I am sure they had a plan in 02 as well. : ok: Plans are meaningless unless executed. ;D

i disgaree because i dont see a plan. what i see is axls insecurity to hold back the cd being played live for europe and for the united states including new york and soon also california. i see insecurity. im listening right now to a show which recently happened on this europe tour and im pretty bored with it because im hearing mostly the old songs. i know the people of california will be tired of it too and be tired of it immediately. because the people of california dont care about 2002 in what they didnt get because all they have to do is listen to appetite/illusions studios cds to get what they didnt get and also download the blues/chinese democracy/madagascar off the internet to also get whay they didnt get. which means the people of california want what they really want is the new songs all of them from the cd. this is the only plan they want and it's the only plan they assume axl and merck to give them on the 23rd of september ? ?

So at download they just cheered because GNR was there.  I don't remember that happening.

the plan in 2002 was to "fish hook" the USA gnr fans with the oldies and it failed to execute because the 02 tour got executed! if axl makes the same mistake again on the california show then he will live to regret it because the show could turn into a riot because of the high expectations and the high emotional feelings the people of california have and feel about the same old stuff being performed right in front of their faces.   

yes many gnr fans there at download just cheered gnr because they were there live. when gnr performed jungle, easy, brownstone, and others like these they cheered. they cheered when patience was played and everything. europe gnr fans cheer because they are seeing guns n roses no matter what songs they play. american gnr fans is different you will see how different they are if axl does the same old thing for the california show for the california gnr fans. 

Now how do you know how all Calfiornia fans are going to react?  I sure as hell won't react that way, and I saw them in New York.

Californians riot? If they arent rioting because of the smog problem and traffic and an Austrian Govenor, I doubt they will be rioting for a little ol GNR concert.

i know because california gnr fans want so much and expect so much from gnr since its new members and since axl said cd come out in the fall. they will expect the cd to come out before their show. they will then expect all new songs to be played at their show. i know if neither of this happens most of them will be unhappy most unhappy to the point where a riot cound ensue. if you wont react that way then you dont have the same passion as the passion the california gnr fans have because their passions expects big things from guns n roses at their show with big changes. they wont accept anything less. 

a little old gnr concert? how can you call it this? it will be more than a little concert because it will be the biggest one at to this point because its in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in CALIFORNIA where expectations and emotions will be sky high. it will make it the biggest concert ever because the californians will expect the cd dropped before and new songs all of them played at their show. if they dont get it axl and gnr will be first booed off the first stage followed by a riot. the californians will riot because they are not just any californians because they are californian guns n roses fans. 

Yawn,....if a california show was so important, explain 4 nights in NYC???  This tour in Europe isn't being labeled as "The Chinese Democracy World Tour", that's a pretty simple reason why the setlist is what it is.  I am also pretty certain that the LA show (a "festival" show), will contain almost the same set list.  I'm also fairly confident that most california fans will have a great time, and won't really care how many new songs are played.  IF a new album was out and a full blown tour was underway, things might be different.

Technically..you could hear 99% of every band's songs on the trip to Devore.

Exactly! Thank you Garry for proving my point on what californian gnr fans want since you are a heart and soul bonified californian gnr fan with passion! So, Axl, are you listening? Because I am!

the four shows in new york city were "warm up" shows where the same setlist from 2002 was expected. but others have called this international tour the chinese democracy world tour. people have called it this who live in international places all around the world outside of america. yet appetite/illusions still dominates chinese democracy/the blues/madagascar/IRS/better/TWAT played live. the europe fans are getting short changed. they are getting the shaft. i feel all california gnr fans will get the same shaft too  :no: it's not fair. it's time for axl to stop his insecurity, stop holding back, and let "chinese democracy" loose starting on september 23rd! but when it comes to being different it should be different with the full blown tour already under way with this international tour as being the full blown tour.   

technically you can hear the old gnr songs in your car on your way to california which means they should no longer be played live anymore since you can hear them over and over in your cd player and download previous live shows of these same songs over and over off the internet along with bootleg cds technically 

Well then I enjoy getting shafted. The  show on the 7/6 in Hammermith was the best concert I've ever seen, even though I knew most of the songs backwards and inside out. It's the experience you go to a concert for, the mood and the show- not the songs themselves.

then you enjoy it but to me what would be more enjoyable live would be hearing alot of songs i have not heard yet rather than hear songs ive heard a million times before in my room on my cd player. do you see the difference? the point? because the new york city shows were supposed to be warm up shows for the big full blown chinese democracy world tour in international waters. but axl changed his mind and went back to the way of the 2002 tour for this one. i know there are many europe fans who will be back me up on this who will have my back on the point. many europe fans must be disappointed by what they is getting every night despite the fact generally europe gnr fans cheer for anything gnr. i disgaree for the experience because if songs like "sweet child on mine" "knocking on heavens door" and "patience" were to be on the "chinese democracy" cd i would say i see gnr for the experience like you but this is not the case so in my eyes it is not for the experience anymore because it is for the change which axl is still afraid to make  :no:

I went to the last Paul Mccartney show...knew all the verses to every song. Heard them all before on the three cds he has of his live shows. I enjoyed myself alot. It was an event. I didnt cry over the fact he had a cover band behind him. Now maybe you are one of the special few that have seen AXL MUTHERFUCKIN ROSE in concert since I saw him 13 years ago. I havent. If you are so jaded at this to let it bother you then I suggest you dont go.

The difference between paul mccartney doing his oldies and axl doing his oldies is paul mccartney never stopped making new albums. he never disappeared for years like axl did. which means it doesnt matter if mccartney plays more old than new because he always stayed constant putting out new cd after new cd on a constant basis. but such is not the case for axl rose with guns n roses or with the new guns n roses. so, that means the new songs are expected to be played more and often more than the oldies because i have not waited years to hear appetite/illusions again for the millionith time because i have waited these years to hear all the new songs. this is the attitude every europe gnr fan should have the attitude they should let axl know about it and feel at every show left on this tour.?

You're out of your mind, at least 60% of the crowd will be fans of the old band with chicks content with hearing the old material. 40% or LESS of the crowd will be demanding new material. I mean do you honestly think 40% of the crowd will be singing along to the new material??? Trust me, Axl can do the same setlist until he tours the world once and the fans won't be upset. As soon as he drops C.D and the general public starts to like the new album, then people will be upset with the lack of new material. Don't fool yourself into thinking that over 40% of the people at these gnr shows know as much about the band as you do and are dying to hear the new tracks like you are.......some are content with the classics.

Garry,

I am with you guys on wanting new songs, hell I'd take a show with 12 new songs and 4 old ones. However, I am just stating that at this point only 25%-40% of the fans that are going to these shows are like that. So, Axl can still get away with the setlist consisting of a lot of older material. I agree completely he needs to start playing more new songs ASAP and I think the band would like that better too.

no, im of sound mind because gnr fans the passionate fans are not chicks they are guys like me who want new material more than old material. to be fair I say 80% or higher of the same crowd will be demanding new material especially in the united states especially at the california show coming up. if you think they won't be then you are out of your own mind. that is what he is already doing the same old list here on this all over the world world tour which was suppose to be full blown chinese democracy world tour. but becuase of axls insecuritys it is not. the cd has not been dropped yet. it looks like it wont be dropped before september 23rd which will leave many californian gnr fans very upset and angry for thier show. it is not about the general public liking it it is about the gnr fans liking it and wanting to hear it! im not fooling myself because most fans in the world know about gnr all they have to do is get a computer and go on the internet to know. its easy. you're fooling yourself if you dont think this is the case. i know more gnr fans young and old are content to hear new classics rather than the old classics. ? ?

after disappearing for years axl shouldnt be allowed to get away with anything not anymore and certainly not with the setlist

the new band is offended. it's why tommy told axl a big "f$ck you"

Your prediction that 80% of a 12,000 seat arena would be demanding a setlist with 8-12 new songs is way off......

Now, if they were throwing a concert where there was a pre-sale again and most hardcore fans got tickets, and it was a small venue, I'd say your 80% stat would be accurate.

Guns N Roses still can get great turnouts, even if they had it on the tickets "we will not play one Chinese Democracy song"... they'd still sell decent in the United States. But, i am with you guys, I want the crowd coming because they want to hear the new material, your point is well taken.

you hope

I think people are praying rather than hoping they've waited so long!

I really hope they hype the launch

tommy stinson told axl a very big "f$ck you" for this very reason. tommy said this to axl because he didnt want to go through another round of what he is currently going through which he went through again in finland today! but i think they have more than 12 new songs because new gnr has been recording together since 1999 right? which means there has to be at least 100 or more new songs they have recorded which they can play at this point at live shows. they must have recorded hundreds and hundreds of new songs together. becuase if you are telling me a band cant record hundreds of songs in a 7 year span then you are like the gnr song "crazy" i believe they have done this many songs. so, they have more new than old songs to do live. these songs is in high demand. i demand them. i know others many others do too. but it is about axl holding back being insecure. ?not letting go of the past. keeping the past alive as he kept the past alive again in finland. but i feel in my guts the american gnr fans will not buy a ticket if it is the oldies again. i know they wont. because the american gnr fans have too much passion to.

The whole point of the US tour is to promote CD, or so I hope. If Axl's going to continue playing the same fuck ass setlist he should just hire the old band back to boost ticket sales.

To his credit a lot of the shows have quite a few new or newish songs in them. we haven't done that badly

we need the album tho

i beg to differ because chinese democracy/the blues/madagascar we have heard already a million times over and then some. hell we already heard these in 2002 and even before that. so these three arent really new anymore. the only technically new songs we have heard here in 2006 is IRS/better/TWAT which when you think about it is hardly any new songs at all. we still mostly appetite rehash with illusions rehash but like others have said we deserve better we should get better from axl with the new songs!     

fair point I think my expectations have been lowered from being a fan for this long..one forgets how long has really passed

i respect you. even though they are lowered it's time they become elevated because mine still are to hear the hundreds and hundreds of new songs new gnr have recorded since 1999 at these live shows here on this international tour. i have elevated expectations for it. everyone should. every europe gnr fan should too. so should the finland gnr fans too. im disappointed they didnt. its disappointing. maybe the californian gnr fans will turn it around in september. maybe. i want axl to let loose his new song catalog which features hundreds of new songs. it's only fair. it is what should be done.

Those Californian dates you are talking about, that's a festival, right? And at a festival there are both die-hards and regulars. If Axl has not released CD by that time, I highly doubt that the regular fans will demand new songs. Some of them have probably not even heard the new songs, and just went to hear the classics. So I think your 80% is way off...

And why are fans from California so much better and more passionate then fans from Europe or the rest of USA? Is there a special reason why they would be more mad then anyone else?? ???

yes but still gnr performs there. which makes it in my eyes a gnr show. festival or not. that is true but for the gnr concert of it there should only be the gnr fans who want the new songs from the new gnr song catalog which currently features 100 plus new songs. i dont buy that. anyone who sees a gnr show knows the songs. i know most of the fans seeing gnr there will be gnr fans. 80 percent of them will be gnr fans and the other 20 percent will be non gnr fans which makes me right on point. im saying the california gnr fans are more passionate than europe fans only because lets say todays show was in california with the same setlist done in finland done in california. i know for a fact the californian gnr fans would not let axl get away with this pulling the same old stunt making the same mistake twice with setlist. because if axl tried to then the california fans would boo him off the stage. then hell would break loose. it would because this is the passion california gnr fans have to hear the new songs which europe gnr fans dont have. as for USA fans. the american gnr fans the other american gnr fans have the same passion as californian gnr fans and the other american gnr fans will travel to california hoping to hear the entire new cd and not have axl rehash yet again. but if axl does it then the other american gnr fans will help the california gnr fans with booing and all which comes with it because they have passion to want more to expect more.     

How can you know that for a fact? Has it ever happened before? And how do you know what every california fan wants? Has there been a meeting where you all said "let's riot if Axl does not play new songs"? Or are you just speaking your own mind? Cause if you don't know what others believe, maybe you should stop using the term "california gnr fans", it gets kinda annoying... :-\

Yes, you mentioned the "passion" numerous times before, but I asked you where that passion came from. Why are fans from California better than fans from for example Finland? Does it even have to be a difference?

I went to NY opening night at the Hammerstein. I was hoping to hear the leaks and whatever Axl was saving for the first single. As setlists have gone for this tour I was lucky that I got to hear TWAT, Better, I.R.S., The Blues, Madagascar, and CD. I doubt I heard the first single, and I was less than impressed with Bumblefoot, but overall it was a great ?show. After seeing them in Tacoma in 2002 and NY in 2006, I will not be seeing them again until the CD comes out and I see that they are playing a CD heavy setlist. If Axl is going to continue to play Appetite and five or six new songs he won't be getting anymore of my money, and to be honest, he should just reunite the old band and get one last big pay day.

Being from Detroit I end up arguing that all the time. I know people that will go to a show and have the nerve to be like "Hmmm... I expected a better show for DETROIT" like the band should work extra hard for us or something.

I know that this tour (CD or not) will be received differently in every single market. I don't see the release of the CD mattering much to actual ticket sales. I think the album will do really well based soley on the long wait and general curiosity. I think the tour will do well ONLY if there is good word of mouth and good press.

We already know the press will suck, it'll depend mostly on word of mouth.

Having said all of that, I am hoping that they're holding off on any official news because they're going to announce everything at once. That's the best move in my opinion.

Exactly. Well said my friend  :beer:

yes it has. i know what ever california gnr fan wants because it is what every american gnr fan wants a cd dominated setlist! anything less would be unnaceptable here in america to us. There's been no such meeting but it is what will happen if axl doesn't give the people want they want in california. I think I should continue to say it because it is a proper gnr fan label if you live in california as a gnr fan. fans in california are better than fans in finland because in finland the fans cheer if the oldies is played. but the california fans will boo if the oldies is played because california gnr fans dont want the oldies anymore. they dont want the oldies anymore because they have more passion not to want to hear them oldies anymore which shows they have more passions as gnr fans than finland gnr fans.

i think if there is a USA tour with the cd not out then i feel the USA tour will fail!

If Axl pulls this shit with touring again in the US without an album he deserves whatever he has coming to him.

I think people should just stop complaining about the setlist(s) and be surprised and overjoyed if Axl decides to re-vamp it at their show in the forthcoming future.

I came all the way from Canada to see Gn'R at the opening show in New York, and really wasn't expecting to hear more than 6 new songs, and I was more than pleased and ecstatic with the 6 I ended up hearing...

& in the Fall I'll probably come all the way from Canada to California to see Gn'R, changed setlist or not...

People spend to much time worrying about songs, and not enough being thankful they actually saw Axl/Gn'R... :-\

Like in 2002 when I couldn't see them, and I would come on here and listen to people whine about Robin's clothes or Axl's voice, it was like fuck you assholes, mail me you're ticket then, Id be delighted to go.. :hihi:

In all honesty though, these could be some of the last concerts Axl may ever take the stage for...

Just go and be amazed, not hyper-critical... ;)

Garry, Garry, Garry, Don't worry about the old music or should I say CLASSICS!! cause those songs are bad to the assbone my son, seeing them many times in person is not like YOUTUBING IT! The day of the new material will be here before you know it, get your drivers lic. so you can see those upcoming shows live :hihi:
                                             : ok: : ok: :peace:

i think a lot of cities/states/countries worldwide feel that they are the most hardcore fans. ?I know Londoners and british fans in general take a lot of pride in their live gig reactions and when a band says they love that city, the fans respond accordingly. ?I dont see why the californian fans as a whole would or could take such a stance as to not accept a Guns gig with the current set list???? I dont think europeans are just happy to see GnR as has been mentioned regardless. ?Not every GnR fan follows these boards and the bands movements as much as we do. ?I think anyone who buys a Guns ticket knows they are in for a show and half and no doubt are well up for hearing some of the tracks that introduced them to GnR ?or stood out to them when they were younger fans. ?

Right now, Axl is introducing a new line-up to countries that havent seen them for years, and there have been a number of fans on this board who havent enjoyed it that much (not many granted) - there's nothing wrong with saying that. ?It doesnt mean the Gnr machine will stop turning - there are still plenty of people who are loving every minute of it. ?I cant imagine younger US fans who never saw Guns before not wanting to hear ISE, OTGM, Brownstone etc - or anywhere worldwide really.

I LOVE the fact that i have had more opportunities this year to see Guns than ever before - sure it would be great if the album was out, but we are hearing new songs so that fkn makes my day to be honest. ?one step at a time - this time last year, there was fk all going on apart from Axl's bald rumours!
They'll do it their way - same as ever. ? : ok:

A friend of mine who works for Palace Sports and Entertainment called me this morning to say that GNR has blocked (reserved) November 17 & 18, 2006 at the Palace of Auburn Hills. This info should be pretty strong and legit as he was the one who told me they would be playing on November 21, 2002 at that same venue. He gave me that info around the same time as I'm getting this.

Although it's essentially hearsay and rumor at this point I thought I'd at least pass it along since the source is very reliable!

This makes me VERY happy.

did this friend also tell you the cd and the first single will be dropped before november 17?  ??? because if it wont be by that time before then, then the detroit gnr fans will not be too happy about it  :rant:

exactly axl will get whatever he gets coming to him if still no cd or single dropped before any future gnr show in the USA

the californian gnr fans would not accept it in the general sense because they want the cd out they want the single out this is what they want and what they want before their live show happens. this is the difference between california and finland because finland gnr fans could care less about cd coming out or the single coming out before their live show. the show they just had in finland proves it. at every europe show everyone is happy go lucky to see gnr but im telling you this will not be the case in america. because if it is the same again in america like in 2002 in america then as said guns n roses will be over in america  :rant: but every young gnr fan in america will want to only hear the new songs because this is what guns n roses is supposed to be about today the new songs and not the old songs 20 years ago  :rant:

We get your point-no need to repeat yourself 200 times. ;)

No. He made no mention of the release date as he doesn't work in the music industry. He was simply letting me know what days GNR reserved.

I'm a Detroit GNR fan, and I will be happy to see them regardless of if the album is out.  Casual GNR fans might be pissed, but true GNR fans don't need the record to appreciate an awesome show.

Thats why I posted to info to begin with. I feel the same way you do. I'm from the D and I'll see them whether or not the album is out. Lets hope that Palace date holds!

I agree 10000% we had this shit in 2002 we had it again in nyc and now europe before any touring occurs again something needs to be done ,an album date, a single out there and adding new songs.. That's what I'd want

You know, at this point don't release the album, fuck it. Just play mostly new songs. Take your time with the album, axl.

the dirt, In that case, hell I say this again,  there would be more reason to release 3 singles at the same time. With a different version of same song on the other side of each one to cheek it. 4 songs in total. Just a thought. :smoking:


soon was not the word then. Now ab-so-lute-ly is the word, with 4 syllables, you know.
I haven't been in waiting as I hate waiting.  My wait starts when I hear the exact date.
I'll get what I want when I want.  :smoking:


Aye. :-X

Tank, I 've been waiting since 1994.?Been married for 10 years and have a girl going in to second grade since then! :rofl:

I can't believe how many people on this board complain about everything.  "He's not playing enough new songs."  "He's not playing enough songs from Illusions."  "The Setlist is always the same".  "When is the record coming out?"  "We need a single."  "We need a press release."

ENOUGH ALREADY!

Be happy Axl is back and touring.  I am, and I can't wait for the US tour! 

I AGREE 150%....must be a Detroit thing.

Yeah but I'd rather hear people say "When is the record coming out?"  "We need a single."  "We need a press release."
than "Who give a fuck when the record is coming out? or a single."  "Don't bother us with a press release. we believe everything the media (tabloid) says anyway"

Why state the obvious?  Pretty much everybody on this board can't wait until the record comes out.  Why is it necessary to constantly say the same stuff?  Saying we need a press release or the album, isn't gonna make it happen any sooner.

If you go to You Tube. You'll find a new interview with slash. Telling the guy that the only way that they would get back is when Axl is done with the band he is working with. And that he would have to be done with VR.

Link to the interview?

the way for axl to prove slash wrong is to drop the cd/single  :rant:

Agreed. When this music comes out it'll be the only way to shut all the naysayers (including Slash depending on what day you talk to him) the fuck up.

yes! i want that day to happen this month to keep them quiet!

Actually it sorta does.

Guns N' Roses (yeah, I said it...not "hired hands") should tour around the midwest...they haven't been here in awhile and I've never seen them and I must before I die.  Minnesota, Missouri, Illinois, Nebraska, or (especially)Iowa...I'll pay whatever to see them. : ok:

They will, don't you worry!  : ok:

Minniapolis
Chicago
Indianapolis
Omaha
Des Moines

These are the cities Guns will most likely play.