Here Today... Gone To Hell!

when i was outside the line today the camera guys were all over me videotaping me,

i asked " Is this for a DVD?"

and he said yes and asked if i could say in the camera that i gu=ive permission to use the fotage of me in the

"Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy DVD"

he also said that it wont be out for about a year

OK great !

We'll see...

i hope so!

Sounds cool.  Nice tidbit of reporting.   : ok:

Great news a brand new DVD 5.1 surround  ;D
The Tokyo sounds sucks...LOL.

Does this seem weird to anyone else? I mean bands usually release a DVD after their tour is over. Now, if they are going on a tour of the U.S. this fall and releasing the album that means they'll likely be playing all the new songs from the album on the U.S. tour, so wouldn't it make more sense to film one of those shows instead of one like today where they only played 3 new songs, although 2 weren't really "new" since they played them in 2002.

No because they wanted to register Axl's comeback.

Or, maybe they are going to release a DVD with a lot of different stuff in it, not just one show. Like a tour-story kind of a thing, where the cameras are following the band, the fans, and there's some interviews on it and some live material from the tour, from different gigs and so on.. And maybe a full show also : ok:
Just dreaming here..

Shit, Axl could've been documenting GN'R's process for the last 13 years, for all we know. That would make for a kick ass DVD.

I've read on another forum that there were rumors about a 874 DVD's Box-set documenting the making of Chinese Democracy. : ok:

The news of a live DVD is great, yeah particularly based on 'the big comeback'...but fuckin oath like Guns N' Neurosis said, if there is archived material from all the stages of Chinese Democracy, that would be great to see even as a short extra or a bonus or something (hell i'm sure if the video was available they could make a dvd out of that alone)..just to see how it progressed over the years with the different producers and contributors and what Axl was really thinking and planning or whatever etc

Maybe all the different versions of the songs? From when they started up until the release.

Great news, thanks for sharing! : ok:

wow it seems that 2006/07 will be so exciting for us : ok:

The footage recorded in the NY gigs could be used as a bonus in a two-disc set. :peace:

I hope it wasn't Chrome Dreams out there filming.  The last thing we need is another shit GN'R DVD.

Alanis Morrisette did something different with the live DVD of her Jagged Little Pill tour (yeah, I know, get over it). They filmed virtually every concert which started as a small club gig and ended as a huge outdoor stadium tour with all the visual spectacles. As the concert progressed on the DVD with each song, the venue changed as did the "theatrics" of the show.

Would be interesting if GN'R made a DVD in this fashion...the evolution of the Chinese Democracy tour 2006  : ok:

That wud be great! Although i think they'd just take the best performance of each song over the four shows and put it out like that.

Great!  :D

But, a year?? That's a bit long!  :-\

They wanna add the final touches to it lol.

yes, but not in that way. Then do what Zeppelin did with that DVD (with the desert cover). That was cool. But normaly I really don't like bits and pieces of different concerts. I'd rather have one good concert to look at then 10 songs scrambled together from varied shows. On the other hand........everything will do  :hihi:


 

Camera crews we're saying the same thing about a DVD at the HOB shows in 01. ?So I take this with a grain of salt.

Err dude...we had an agreement in here to never speak of the Tokyo DVDs (and that show in particular for that matter). Do not let that happen again...

That's what I thought  :drool:

I wanna see the fucking album first.Then we could talk about a DVD.

Most likely would be CD combined with one of the NEW York shows as abonus. That'll be great!!!

You know now that I think about it, this could very well be a DVD.  Axl was wearing the same clothing as the May 12th show.  He could of done that to make it seem that the DVD is from one show.  Then he'll have the opportunity to pick which songs and which versions to use for the DVD.

the guy interviewed me too, I got into hammerstein super early, he spoke of a documentary,.,.....

A DVD would be a nice way to hod the fans over till CD int he fall or whenever it will be released.

a real tokyo quality dvd from hammerstein would be amazing..... The shows have been great, first show was my favorite but second was awesome too..... Ron thal is the people's champ, great guy... :beer:

I asked him about cd, he says fall baby, well he felt confident..

Hopefully it'll be a full tour DVD and this is just the 1st part!

Would explain the DVD not been out for a year, if it's for the whole tour

Thats pretty good news about a DVD...but we have heard it all before, I mean we knew they taped the 010101 Vegas show and never used that. Why would this time be any different?

i hope unkle Axl will put on the Chinese Democracy CD a bonus concert DVD with some mix of the 4 shows in Hammerstein
 :beer:

think about it peepz axls been wearing the same shirt , i think theyre picking the best performance from the shows to put on the dvd . just a thought so dont flame on me i could be wrong. look at metallica when they released st anger they put a dvd filmed from rehearsals plus alot of bands are doing the cd/dvd package

I hope a dvd of Hamerstein comes out before Chinese Democracy

That would be brilliant! ?The second those on the fence saw these live performances, they would instantly know that this new band demands respect!! :yes:

I don't.  either a bonus dvd or After the album would be the best..

The Cd/Dvd packages are more common now with new releases - Possible!

I really think this will be seperate from CD. I know its a common theme, but guns could sell both of them in enough numbers in different packages. Someone in another thread also mentioned the fact that there was a t-shirt with a NYC logo. I think the logo that was only for the nyc shows will be used on the package. but then again, what do i know.

I agree they should come out BEFORE CD is release, as a teaser for the album to tie us over until the album drops

wasnt there a post saying that one of the camera crew guys say this dvd aint coming out till next year?

could have been wearing the same shirt for the sake of consistency for a video? First single perhaps?

sounds like a special edition of cd w/bonus dvd $39.95 comin to a best buy near you this fall

who knows...

Howdy folks,

I was able to speak with two of the camera guys at the NYC show on the 17th (some of you near the front of the line might have seen them hanging out with the leggy blond reporter  ;) ).  My brother and I were in the front row of mezz 1, right next to the VIP area where they were.  What they told us was that they were shooting a practice run before they head to Europe with the band for those shows, from which they plan to cull together and release a DVD.  Whether it will be simply a DVD from one night's performance or from a series of performances they didn't say, but I just wanted to let you gents & ladies know that there will be an official DVD release of GnR live performances from this year.   : ok:

so the Hammerstein shows themselves aren't actually planned to be released?  ???  They were just practicing for Europe?  :(

Yeah I was up at the front asking her to show us her tits. ?At any rate, the camera crew was brought in by Fink from his connections from the NIN days - apparently the guy had gotten to know him through NIN, hung around and Fink suggested the filming idea to Axl. ?Axl said "Film it and we'll see what happens" - they're documenting everything, but whether it'll actually see the light of day is questionable. ?I offered the guy $1000 cash right out of my pocket and he said he wouldn't leak any of it. ?I was sort of bummed. ?Anyone that was up in the front of the line can back me up on that.

dammit, i was hopin they would release the May 12th show on DVD, no matter how the performance was, it was the biggest specatcle in music in the last 3 years and it definately should be documented.

Axl said "We'll see..."  Sounds pretty much right to me.

may 12th rock whats this idea it wasn't a good performance.. :rant:

I meant that they should have planned on documenting it in advance, no matter how the performance would turn out, and if they'd done that, theyd've gotten a damn good show on dvd

I think they should take parts from all 4 shows at hammerstein and make that the dvd but we ll see

i talked to them on the 14th. They told me that the whole tour was being filmed, So the dvd we have stuff from all over the world on it :beer:

Thanks for passing on the info, but I wouldn't get too excited just yet about a possible dvd release. I mean, the first Vegas show was supposed to be released on dvd and here we are five years later with nothing. Hopefully it will be different this time around though.

They better put it out!  I really do have faith that this year we are going to see a lot of things.



Hatts

I really hope the European shows get aired, as well as Hammerstein.

I think its "yes" and "no".

Yes, it obviously was planned as practicing.
But no, they won't refuse to release Hammerstein-parts, if material looks good.

So, as the concerts weregreat, I wouldn't worry.

theres gonna be a DVD sooner or later in GNR's future, they might give us a one off song or two from these shows with whatever els  comes with it : ok: : ok: :beer: :drool:

Well well well, for a great news, that's one !!!

Let's hope for a nice and well put package, something to bury those infamous Illusions DVD's ... (no bonus, no interviews, no extra-footage, no nothing)

Great !

besides the fact that there is interviews.......at least there on DVD!!    :o :o :o

Yea,that would be the way to go in my opinion.

By 'no interviews' I meant it was the same old bullshit with the japanese subtitles between songs that were on the VHS. You can't really say those DVD's were amazing :no:

illusion dvd has extra footage and interviews, the only problem is that it came from VHS release so its not 5.1 only 2.0

oh well, do u prefere the VHS copies ???

There is a 5.1 surround sound version out there, maybe only in europe, but  i've seen it.

release it as a seperate package than CD, GN'R will make shitloads, which axl loves, and needs after spending  all the money on the work of CD

Bingo.

Although I do hope for the best.  06 is turning into the year of GNR.

did you ever think for a second those cameras where there mainly to film for the JUMBO screens we where watching durring the show? The cameras guys don't know shit - don't forget that. No matter what they say or what they're told, at the end of the day they don't know shit - especially with Axl Rose involved....Those DVD's aren't EVER going to come out. We can only hope for a bootleg one day.

I work in media, radio not TV although i have friends in TV....
I was at the 17th show and they filmed me, well, the filmed my Guns N Roses tattoos,? the thing is I never signed a release.

 Usually when you are doing some type of recording you need to get release forms from everyone....or there has to be some posting in the arena/club regarding the filiming of the show....Ozzfest did this,? and the Real World and those type shows get release forms from passerby or the blur them out...

In Tokoyo they had posting that the show was being taped for release....I read this somewhere.....

anyway, did anyone get a release form???

this is very true.  release forms are a must.  I work in a business where without release forms and copys of valid ID, you can spend 10 years in prison.  : ok:

this could be very interesting.... if axl chooses to release footage then we may well have another axl rose court case  :no:

According to some posters, the footage shot at the NYC show was only used as "practise"....



/jarmo

I don't know what film company, especially one based in New York, would need four days of "practice"...

Well, I seem to remember reading it somewhere....

Apparently they'll be filming in Europe as well.


But some other people were asked to give permission: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=30539.0



/jarmo

I know some people were actually asked to give a verbal release on camera at the NYC shows.  I was standing next to someone who did just that....but I was also standing next to someone who they interviewed who was NOT asked.

So, there ya go...

:)

maybe they are doing a Live 2006 DVD with footage and songs from different concerts and festivals like a scrap book type thing i hope they do it would be great

I heard a couple people say that they offered their release "on video" with a statement like "I hereby offer Guns n' Roses my full consent for this footage to be used on the upcoming DVD" Keep in mind, I didn't hear anyone say this DIRECTLY to a cameraperson - I just heard people in line mention it.

-darknemus

I stand corrected...cool.....

coz this show will never be officially released on a dvd....

I work in Intellectual Property and Licensing. I was there on the 17th as well, but not interviewed or anything.

I also know about the right of privacy and publicity laws. I understand and respect those laws and everything.

BUT C'MON-even if I was on camera, I'm a GNR fan to the bone, as you are too. I would give anything to be on camera and to have it released. In this context, I'll waive every stinkin right I have.

Weigh the options: Ultimate braggin rights and solid proof you were there versus not allowing your likeness to be used for a commercial DVD because no release was signed.

Tis' better to give than receive. End of story.

I'm reading this off the back of one of my Red Sox tickets but is there anything on the tickets that say something similar to "The holder grants permission to the Boston Red Sox and the other participating clubs and their agents to utilize holder's image or likeness incidental to any live or recorded video display or other transmission or reproduction in whole or in part of the event to which this ticket admits them."

I work in the media, too, and if you're an adult and you're on public property (which standing outside the Hammerstein is public property), you DON'T NEED a release. Additionally, if a media rep or someone filming something identifies themselves and you start giving an interview, you DON'T NEED a release for that either, since it's assumed that you understand what you're doing.

I would  think it is rather impractical to ask every single person at a concert (or any public event) for  a release to use their image on a future transmission or publication.

if you could, could you send me a pm with pictures of your gnr tattoos ?

In your case, I don't think they would have to get you to sign a "release" form if they only filmed your tattoos and not your face.

i work in media in the uk, and a release form is NOT needed when filming, for example; crowds at a concert. A release form is only needed(if it wasn't stated before entry that filming would be taking place in said venue) If a camera man or production company conducts a interview without prior notification. A release form is only applicable if the subject speaks to the camera or interviewer, and is dependant on the venue or council in which the 'filming' takes place.

Isn't it possible that the band filmed the shows not only to "study" their performances (and learn from them...I counted at least 3 times that one bandmember pulled another out of the way of the pyro, barely in time, it seemed), but also to gauge fan reaction to songs?

Don't get me wrong, I'd *love* a DVD of the Hammerstein shows...

I went to all4 shows and was front and center every show. One of the fellows filming had me say into the camera that they had permission to use any footage I may end up in.

Actually, while they were doing the in-venue filming for practice for the Europe shows, the fan interviews & fan footage shot was for a streaming web news site.  Iamerica.com, I believe.  That was who the nice reporter lady (of whom a number of crass bastards in the line repeatedly demanded to display her chest - seriously, it got annoying) was working for. 

Does anyone remember "Eddie" from the 17th?  He was in the front group of the line outside the venue.  He signed a different kind of release all together...  :yes:

Eddie's "release" certainly was different to say the least. The lady who did the interviewing has a website and it is" iamericamag.com. She hasn't put up anything from the GNR shows yet.

Ahhh, "Eddie"... that poor bastard.

Thought so............i was at wembley in 91' when they filmed live and let die for the mtv music awards, and all the crowd never signed release forms. another example is the vid for paradise city, just look how many fans and venues appear in that vid. it would be impossible to get every fans consent whether written or verbal. although at wembley in 91' it was never stated that the crowd would be filmed until axl announced it.

yes all tickets gave the permission of recordings by the ticketholder you surrendered your rights when you entered the hemmerstein. read the small print on the back of ticketmaster tickets
tom

Did you read the small print on your ticket. Normally all tickets contain info along the lines of, they may/maynot record the show and by entering the show you agree with all the terms and conditions (including being filmed).

Did you know: (i was told this other day) if you goto a Formula One race and take photo's (which you are permitted to do) you do not own the rights (to your own photo's). As strange as it sounds, while you are permitted to take photographs of Michael Schumaker and the cars you cannot sell the photo's on to make money. As to what the rules are in regards to giving the photo's away are, i have no idea.

ok, here's the detailed explanation.

I was among the first in line at the gate of the budapest arena.
the official cameraman of the band came out, he was on the inside part of the fence, me on the outside, and he asked me a few usual questions, (where u from, how long have you been waiting,...)...
and I asked him what is the recording for, he said for the DVD. I asked him if he could tell me when the DVD will be out and he said about end of the summer. I also told him that I hope Axl realizes that there's a whole bunch of people on the internet and that we cant wait to finally hear the album, and the cameraman said "yeah Axl realizes that"

later during the show, I noticed that he was the only one using a professional camera, and that the other 2 cameras(that I saw) were used for the big screen behind the band, and the guys opearating them didnt seem to be professionals. I guess that the recordings this guy takes (I have a picture of him somewhere, gonna upload it) on all 35 shows will be compiled into one DVD.
I also have a small clip of him/his camera display recording the band during the "madagascar" if anyone cares to analyze it.
The whole band had the same outfit as on previous shows


P.S. I'm sorry I didnt give updates/details during the show, but the 3 hours waiting kinda exhausted me, and I only wanted to live through the show.
the security/organization sucked, I got dehidrated during the first 3 hours, and I was in front of the arena since noon.
the security didnt care to pass any water to the people in the front lines, and I must say robin finck was the far best performer on stage.

I was at the top and I saw security giving water to people... But that was for the standing area - part2. I guess you were at part1. or only girls were getting some  ;D

A DVD of the new band live would be great, but not if it bumps the album back even further. I really hope they plan on releasing the album in the fall and starting a U.S. tour to promote the album and that this tour/DVD is not another 'tide-me-over'.

Cool! I hope that CD comes out before this DVD though..

Thanks for the clarification Lucky. : ok:

I hope they come out the same day.

I was in front of the stage. I got water, but only after I threw up infront of the stage...

I'm confident that the DVD IS another tide me over.
it might be released with the first single, to gather some more money. but if the DVD is actually released by the end of the summer, than it would be a guarantee that the album will be out by the end of the fall.

I'm confident that the guy I was talking to was telling the truth, but you never know when Axl might change his mind, or something unpredictable could derail the plans.

In the GN'R world the plan is probably to complete the entire European and US Tour, put out the DVD, make 3 music videos, then release the CD. :hihi:

nope.
people who actually buy the DVD will be hardcore GNR fans, and we already got the leaks.
people who get the dvd, and hear Better, TWAT, IRS, Maddy,... would have to buy the album, because on the album there will be some songs that wont be on the DVD.
it's kinda a cewl strategy.
but I just had a tought

what will the old lineup say about somebody else publishing their songs, and releasing it on a DVD.
wont there be legal issues?
I know that the appetite songs are credited to GNR, and GNR now is Axl, but still....

Axl legally owns the rights, so I would assume he would have free will over ANY release unless it is completely disparaging to Slash and the rest. Possibly even if it is, they'd be able to.

Well i guess a DVD before the album would help to build a buzz around the band again. They may also use it to put out some songs that won't make their way to the final record. Lets hope its not another 2001 HOB incident.

Strange that they've been recording every show, seems a little odd to put out a dvd with songs from loads of different shows. Makes snese on a cd but not on a dvd.

nine inch nails did that for their live DVD, and it got to be the DVD of the year when it got released.
it makes sence, I guess the guy that's doing the recording was picked up by Axl for some reason. and he does all the work, recording the crowd, the band, ....
so I guess he cant record the whole band at the same time.
he gets diferent shots of diferent members from all the shows, and than at the end of the tour, they kinda put it all togather.

Well, actually, I think Axl only owns the rights to the name, logo's, etc... but not the actual copyright to the songs. Every time the new band plays songs written by the old band (partially or whole), the ex-gunners will receive some money from this. Just like when Velvet Revolver plays one of the GNR songs, Axl will get some money from it. Here in Belgium this kinda thing gets arranged transparently by an organization named SABBAM, which handles copyright 'collections' for artists. It's not even possible to sing up to SABBAM as a band, only as an individual songwriter, so collectively written songs have the actual names of all the people who help write it registered and each gets an equal share.

Don't know how this works in the states though.

nah, that doesnt work like that

then I should be paying the band every time I sing welcome to the jungle, or every tribute band will be paying them...

you can play what ever song you want live.
but the problem appears when you start selling it in diferent medias, tape, cd, dvd

Well, I have a band here and we have a demo disc recorded that sometimes gets played be DJ's we know at parties 'n stuff. Every time it gets played, we earn some money. If we cover another band, and we get payed for it, we have to pay some money (if we actually tell SABBAM we did, or they are in the audience, which they sometimes do). You only have to pay of you earn money off of it, and it's proportionate(sp?).

yeah a dvd with the old songs played live and no new songs ... yeah ... thats exactly what we want ... :)

cool rumor, thanks lucky. u rock  : ok:

I think it depends on in what country it is copyrighted.
Thanks for the info Lucky. So you enjoyed the show.

End of summer comes before fall.

Maybe they will release the first single beforehand/at the same time and the rest of new songs will be left out of the DVD. In this case, the probable first single materials would be the ones being played more frequently among the 6.

I dont think so.
IF it actually happens, it will be a Single, AFD+4 new songs DVD, CD, DVD(all new songs)

A dvd before the album is an absolute ridiculously bad thing to do. But, par for the course. :rant:

Yeah after the CD release, we probably won't see them playing the same setlist as that on the DVD. Releasing the dvd of this run makes sense.

depends...
if the single is released at the time, and people like it, they'd wanna buy it.

and I guess many people who went to these shows would like to have something to remember them by.

I went to two shows at Hammerstein. Enough bullshit, we need the album-period. We have been jerked around long enough (in regards to the record). >:(

no no no!!!!

A DVD would be seen as another "oh see they can't complete the album"- excuse. That is not gonna happen. Unless the GNR-Camp is totally nuts.

Like stated by others before i think it is realistic to create two scenarios:

a. the album + DVD
b. the album  and later on (around christmas) the dvd

all depends on waht's going on with CD

DVD could be a good idea before the release. It would get the GnR name out again. New DVD along with new merch and other products would be great. As long as there is a set release date for CD at the time the DVD is being released. It owuld be a nice hold you over type deal.

i guess thats why axl's not changing clothes too much.......if they are playing to a click track, they can actually edit parts of songs together.

although, thats not very rock n roll of them, is it?? LOL

Who exactly is this camera man? Merck? he seems to know alot of Axl's wishes :hihi: or maybe it's the dude who interviewed everybody on the Don't cry making of fucking videos?

No, he's right.  If the songs are performed live, the writers are paid.

There's an organisation that collects the money in each country.  Usually a small club (where tribute bands generally play..) will just pay a fixed amount to the organisation per year.

You guys do remember that Axl sold the back-catolog to Santuary for 20 million.....so Sanctuary can put out whatever they want

he signed a publishing deal...he didn't sell the catalogue...it's not his to sell anyway ::)

"The deal covers both future material and catalogue. Rose's contribution to such hits as "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Paradise City" and "November Rain" are covered under the deal, as are dozens of new tracks Rose has recently recorded for Universal Music."

PUBLISHING DEAL!! they can print music books and shit like that and the liner notes that is not the catalogue

geez...pull your panties out of your ass....so I'm not familiar with legal shit, chill the fuck out :)

I wonder how a DVD with mostly old songs played by new band members will be recieved with the general buying public?

If it was a DVD with mostly new songs I think GNR would sell the DVD better.  But hey, thats just me. :-\

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? As long as I can get the CD then a CD/DVD combo fits in where technology is going . If thats the case Axl's a shrewd guy to do that.

it's all good i just thought you missed publishing deal when i said it the first time :hihi: :peace:

well this is a good reason why he is wearing th same clothes so maybe since House of Blues was proshot maybe this could be a double dvd release since axl did say 2002 was like a "warm-up" tour or something like that and this was his plan to have both combacks be released at the same time like the double dvd of UYI.

Just a thought?

Releasing a DVD before the album is a stupid idea. Who's going to buy a DVD other than us? The general public will look at it and go "Look it's Axl and the other guys who aren't Slash playing GNR's greatest hits" and then they won't buy it. As a huge fan of this band, I would feel like an idiot buying it if it was released before Chinese Democracy.

i would have to agree altough i still would buy it. the dvd should come out after cd. maybe christmas ? it def. would sell more if released after cd so more of the general public would be apt to buy it. that in turn would spark more interest in seeing gn'r live when they start a new leg of the tour. 

I think it is essential that CD be released before any DVD

On the topic of DVD's - Its possible that GNR at Hammerstein can be released in Dec/Jan.

Korn performed at Hammerstein in Nov 2005 to start supporting new album.
DVD to be released of that performance on June 20, 2006.   : ok:

are there any new developements concerning the DVD?
did anyone hear/ask anything?
 ::)

The re-release of the UYI DVD's?

I asked someone walking down the street when the Chinese Democracy Tour DVD is coming out, and they said August 31st, 2006.

j/k of course

haven't heard any more than you man, we know they are filming stuff, and some sort of DVD is planned, but that's all we know.

yeah, im very excited for this! think it'll be released at the same time as CD?

actually I know a little more than you ;D

i asked the camera guy at rock am ring,and he said it'll be released next year

ok, than it's official. NO DVD.
he told me it will be out by the end of summer at Budapest. moving it to next year means it gets moved indefinitely.
I hope the same doesnt apply for CD.

At the first shows at Hammerstien they said it would be for next year anyway.

At Hammersmith, the guy doing the interviews said "after the tour"- so that means they intend to gather material from the whole thing, however long it might be.

Its "official"?!?

Who is "he"?

I ment it as in
we have officially been fucked. ::)

i could see a dvd being added to the release of chinese democracy to get more people to buy the actual dvd instead of downloading it or stealing it off the internet. that is if chinese democracy is ever released....

i'm sure this will be packaged along with CD