Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Now I know he hasnt appeared on a "New Album", but the guy has been working with Axl for about 10 years now, by the time the album comes out and a US Tour is underway he probably will have been working with Axl for a longer time than Slash and Duff ever did, let alone probably twice as long as either Matt or Steven.  Yet, the guy gets little to no respect from GnR fans it seems, especially on this board.  Hell, i got -3 Karma points for disliking Bumblefoot and disagreeing that Robin's solo's that he wrote over those 10 years of sacrafice, should be played by Robin and not Bumblefoot.  I dont get it, Robin has more to lose if GNR fails than anyone except for Axl.  He is the only one I feel who really isnt in it for the money, but rather wants to create good music.  Yeah i know that will be argued against, but i would guess that Fink has lost money so far by joining GNR.

Fink wasnt like Fortus or BH who would play with anyone who would pay him.  Or BBF who was scratching out a living in the clubs.  He isnt like Tommy whose band broke up 10 years ago and who has a moderately successful solo group.  As late as 2001 Fink was playing sold out stadium tours with NIN, which were labeled by many press agencies as the best concerts of the year.  He gave up a pretty cozy gig with Reznor to come with Axl for a chance to write and record his own material. 

Besides the fact that I think he really cares about the band Ir eally do not see a problem with his playing.  I love watching the dude play, i have ever since i first saw him with Trent.  Maybe Axl needs to hit him more or something.  Fink always seemed to play better when Trent was throwing things at him, punching him, pushing him off the stage etc...  Also I just think Fink is loyal, I remember watching a clip from Tokyo where Trent was blasted and couldnt perform, Fink had played all the songs near perfectly that night, but when MOTP started and Trent pretty much passed out, Fink through himself on the ground to make it look like it was apart of the gig.  The guy is a cool guy, who i think is an awesome guitarist.  Maybe Im missing something, but I watch things like, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeisK-KiwZE&search=Robin%20Fink
and just cant help but think that no matter what this guy is playing it sounds cool and he is fun to watch.

I just think people on this board should realize how loyal Fink has been when probably 99% of other musicians would have left.  Fink always thanks Axl for saving him when he almost lost his mind in New Orleans and maybe that is why he is so loyal, but the guy has been in the band a decade, he is a veteran in the music industry and he is very well respected by both his friends and his enemies. I just hope GNR fans learn to accept this guy, rather than always bashing him for some unknown reason.

I dont know the "Loosing mind in New Orleans"-Story, what's it about?

After a NIN tour Fink went down to New Orleans to cool out.  Apparently was getting too into the scene and that is when Axl supposedly called him to come play with GNR.  Fink has said had he not gotten out of New Orleans he probably would have died.  A lot like the Bach in New York story.  Sounds like although Axl has had his own problems with partying that he is a good judge of when people have had too much and are living dangerously and he seems to care enough about people to try to save them.

Finck plays all the solos he wrote, the 2 in 'IRS', the solo from 'The Blues', 'Better', 'CD', etc.

Other than that you're right, he deserves a great deal of respect and unfortunately some kids here don't give him that.

That's bullshit if they gave you 3 negative karma points just because you don't like Bumblefoot, that's your opinion. Although I mean I still think it's really too early to judge Bumblefoot at this time... he seems like a great guy and in NYC he played the speed parts quite well that Bh made. I do agree Robin is a pretty good player and he was smart to come to gnr because Trent wasn't going to let him have any creative input. So, he definitely made the best decision to come here to Gnr. Now, I don't think Robin has lost money coming to Gnr, he'll ultimately gain more with Axl because he has more musical work to get paid for.. he was just a touring musician with Trent. I seen Robin about 7 times with NIN and I tried to ask him about his gig with NIN and Trent when I met him and he just ignored me an walked away... that's when I learned it must have been a real bad divorace. Even with that I still think Robin's done nothing but get better since joining gnr and I lol at people who complain about his stage presence or how he walks up there.... he is playing his solos good and I think he is playing the older material better this tour than 2002.... so Robin's place in the band is just fine with me. : ok:

Finck is my favorite new member.
Actually I like him more than Slash.
At the Budapest gig, he was the only one I was watching the whole time.

The fact he still gets disrespected by a majority of new GNR fans should tell you something about his talent level given how blindly loyal most GNR fans are. The guy's problem is that he is supposed to be the band's lead guitarist, yet he continues to be the least talented of the 3 guitarists in the band. Axl knew he wasn't going to take this band to the next level, so he has always been on the lookout for other guys to bring in. That is why he brought Richard into the fold, and then had to find a competent replacement for Bucket, because Robin just doesn't have the skill as a player to pick up the slack in a lot of areas.

it has nothing to do with Fincks talent, but is due to primitivity of most GNR fans, who are limited to a certain type of guitar playing, and dare not look outside their limited box

I don't agree with that only in the sense that Bucket was slagged on because of his gimmick, but there was a general consesus even among the haters that the guy could flat out play, and one only need listen to the stuff he played to realize that. If Robin had that type of ability, he would not face a 1/10th of the criticism he does on these boards.

I've learned in the past 2 days that this forum is not the place for open expression and opinions. ?Its a fascist styled, tightly controlled environment. ?In other words: if you say anything negative about the current lineup, you are almost sure to be given negative karma points. ?There's obviously a direct influence from upper management prevelent here on this forum. ?I had two threads locked just because I said Axl's voice wasn't as strong now as it was in the early 90's. ?Even though I'm totally correct, because it could potentially hurt interest in the new lineup, it didn't take long for the thread to be locked. ?I'm on several messages boards, and this is the first forum I've seen where fascism is the rule of law. ?I've seen some strict forums in my time, but this forum might as well be considered Merck's blog, because if you don't fall in line, you'll be ostricized and eventually banned more than likely.

They were locked because they were annoying and we've heard it a million times.


If you don't like it, you could always leave.

As if there aren't other threads here about topics that have been BEATEN to death.?? :confused:? Get real.? You're trying to squash somebody's opinion and that's all there is to it!? The point was, the previous poster Mr. Intensity was talking to, has -3 karma points because he doesn't like Bumblefoot.? I mean, WTF?!?? He's been in the band for a little over a month!??!? He's certainly no Buckethead and CERTAINLY no Slash!?

You know exactly what I'm talking about.? Besides, if you've heard it a million times, it didn't stop countless others from wanting to talk about it.? No matter how many times something has been discussed, if it stimulates conversation, then what's the problem?? I'll tell you the problem, the board is kept in line to keep GnR management happy.? If they ever felt the board became too liberal, they'd cut off any association they have with it.? The problem is not that you can't deal with Axl criticism, the problem is its simply not allowed here... case shut!

Majority? I'd say all fans of this new band respect him, only the few people living in the past don't.

Fink is great. I don't get why people think he sucks. He nails the old solo's (with the exception of November rain) and add's a bit of his own unique touch. He is a charasmatic performer and from what we've heard writes killer tunes. Just listen to the better or blues solos'... not to mention the you tube clip posted in this thread.

I think anyone who does like fink just can't get over their love for slash. I love slash too but the dude has written a good solo in years.

Its like a first love you can't get over... you'll never love the new person as much as the old. It doesn't mean the new person isn't perfect for you now.

I personally like BF alot but don't see the need for him. Both robin and richard are wicked players and could totally nail the  parts.

Personally i don't think we'll see much of bucket on the record. I'm sure axl had multiple ideas for each part from each player. We'll probably see a few but not that many.

Crash

well, then you should disable the "join" function on this forum.
what's the point of letting people join in when they cant ask a question, or discuss a topic.

and what's so wrong about discussing something again? those who dont like it, dont have to post. there's no point in giving bad carma point or locking threads. if the thread is interesting, people will post in it, and if it sucks, it will float of to the 2nd page and after that in the oblivion.

and why cant the people around here disagree on certain things, and even "bash" the band members when they deserve it. nobody's perfect, and rock stars especially.

if we agree apriori that we agree on everything that the band does, than what's the point in discussing anything?!

I agree that people who insult other people should be warned, but this is not a kindergarden, dont be so sensitive. we are fans of the most dangerous rock band in the world, not the "I love kitty" club.

Nothing's wrong with discussing it again.


I have a feeling you and POV would enjoy this section of the board very much.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?board=13.0

Ive been a fan of Robin for ever, its really cool that hes starting to get more respect from people on the boards. But he deserves alot more respect then he gets. Long Live Rockin Robin Finck! 8)

competely agree.  although most gnr fans are too fucking narrowminded to even give the guy a chance :(

Nay. the majority of new GNR fans love Robin.


He might not be the most skilled guitarist but  You can't say he's not talented as he obviously has many talents such as in writing.

How you know what was in axl's mind? In reality  Robin has more solos than the other 2.
Richards parts are not same as Robins. so are Rons/BHs. No guitarist possibily has the skill of BH but Ron.

I'm not a newbie. I know how the things function around here, and I'm aware of dead horse.
I dont read it because I dont care about the topics like those, but the fact is, that I dont mind when people post it on the main board.
if I read the title, and dont like it, I dont open it. there's no point in bitching about it and handing out bad karma.

If you think that's why we give out bad karma you really have no idea how things work around here at all.

You complain that we don't let you discuss stuff that's been discussed before, yet there's a whole section for it and you don't go there because you don't like it?

Anyway, I'm dragging this offtopic.  If you want to continue talking about this, you can find the admin section at the bottom of the index page.

I was very sceptic about "the Goth"....but he has definately won me over especially after seeing him this Sunday.

He's got the whole package and I can't wait for CD to arrive. And of all the new songs me and my friends like "Better" the best which was written by Robin so I really think he's gonna give us some good music.

just coming in here to get bashed :hihi:

anyway...there are so many other great guitarists out there that are tremendously better guitar players than Robin is...and IMO he didn't nail the old solos in '02...he rather sucked at playing them...but I'm gonna give him a fair shot this time around and reserve my judgement for when i see them live or when i hear the album...whatever comes first.

As far as robin being in the band for as long as slash...well c'mon when slash was in the band they toured relentlessly and released 5 albums....robin has a big old 0 for number of tracks released while in GnR.

how can you possibly love a guitarist better than slash when slash was such an integral part of making the GnR name in the first place? and Robin has done virtually nothing while in the band?


Here we go...a hundred posts of "Robin wrote better and blues" :hihi: whoo two tunes but we don't know how much he actually wrote for them could just be the main riffs could be the whole tune....like i said i reserve ultimate judgement but in '02 he sucked bad IMO

Visually, Robin is cuter. :hihi:

Joking aside, I'm not into big name stuff.
Did you see him live in 02?


Maybe you don't mind that but the mods and other board members do. Most of us prefer our fav board kept tidy.

haha...yeah i saw GnR in Toronto '02...his solo's didn't impress me...his own or his renditions if Slash's...maybe it's just I'm used to hearing the old tunes a specific way and Robin's style is sooo much different that slash's...but he's getting rave reviews from everywhere...hopefully he'll proove me wrong this time around :-\ I want to be wrong but we'll have to wait and see, i do know it'll be a different story once they play more of their own material.

I don't necessarily like Slash cuz he's a big name cuz i even really enjoyed his snakepit stuff (which alot of people dont seem to) although his fame contributes to things obviously cuz in the day gnr was played constantly....and I've never been a NIN fan so robin's involvement there doesn't impress me all that much...Better is a fantastic tune though soo...yeah I'm waiting to be prooved wrong...they just gotta come play near me, I'm waiting ;D

Slash became a big name when he helped GNR get to the top.

i love robin, i think he seems very honest and humble onsatge. i like his playing and i like his charisma, he's fun to watch and to hear. a great guitarrist, very underrated.

anyone whose worked for NIN, Axl, and Cirque De Soliel must be a talented mofo : ok:

robin rocks

I'll be honest, I wasn't a fan of the guy from 01 - 02 period in the band. His playing didn't do anything for me, I didn't like the way he looked or moved on the stage.
But since the first time I heard and seen him this year in boots etc I have to say my opinion has changed. He has stepped up in every catagory I mentioned. He can play the leads better this time. He looks the part. The guy is the full fucking package now.

What is that smilie there for?

What I think is really funny is that the people who bash Robin hate to admit that the material he wrote for the new band is amazing.

Robin has been in this new gnr since the beginning save a few months he toured with NIN. Robin wrote most of the music on the album I can assure you that.

I respect him as a player, but I'm not convinced that he's right for Guns - oops, this isn't a BF thread, just trotting out the standard response :smoking:

But yeah, I think everyone realises how hard Robin Finck has worked for Guns N' Roses, and how much effort he's put in. ?I'll reserve judgement until I hear the record, but I think I'll be impressed.

I respect Robin for his patience and devotion. I saw him Live and He is an OK guitar player.
However, if you think Slash could ever be "replaced", you dream. You can replace a good guitar player, but you can't replace a Legend and a Genius.
Slash is like hendrix, Page, Clapton or Knopfler, he made Rock n' Roll History. This is a non-sense to even think about replacing such a genius.

There will never be another Slash as there will never be another Michael Jordan.

This is a response from the same person who said, "Good point...great to have someone smart on these boards" when regarding a post that read, "Slash sucks and could never be as good as BBF". 

Also I think Slash and RObin have similar styles, not technically.  Both can play smooth solo's, but both choose a more passionate dangerous style.

I think Finck is smart, loyal and a passoinate player who obviously had a lot of music in his head that he wanted to get out and thats why he joined gnr

the smile is cuz everytime someone says something about robin other than he is amazing and writes instant classics is that "oh he wrote Better, Axl said so" or "he wrote the blues his webmaster told some guy via email"

yeah a few demos and a couple live tunes buries everything slash ever did for GnR ::)


since the beginning of what? since the beginning of the 14 years of silence? but anyway, Thanks Axl, I'm glad for the preview of the liner notes of CD

Once the album is released we'll be able to judge how great he actually is....don't worry if I'm dead wrong about his playing/creative abilities I'll say so :peace: I refuse to judge him off of crappy bootlegs


huh? smooth solos? wtf? dangerous? man, oh yeah, i forgot, he smashed a guitar

Robin Fink: 10 Years Apparently Arent Enough   :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl:
10 years doin' everything and nothing. I respect fink for one really hard thing, to be able on work with Axl and Roses and have the patience of still bein' in the band without at least an album released!!!! :o :o
Yeah, some of you have the reason, Fink's worked with Axl more time than slash or Duff, but in less years they'd done all the magic that make us to look at this kind of sites, to look for this band

yeah its stipid. if u dislike bbf guitar u get told to shut up or made fun of. if u like slash its a dead horse. if u dont think axl should bite someone u dont support him. forum sucks.

Robin Finck is amazing.
I love his style and tone. He has an amazing presence.
I love how all his Les Pauls are customized... especially the gold one with only one humbucker.... I wish Gibson would come out with a signature model for him. I love how he moves his pickup selector down into one of the volume or tone spots.... just adds to his style. Kinda like how all guitar greats have an identifiable sound and image: Page, Slash, Townsend, Cobain, etc

COBAIN!!!! lmao he is just about as good as the dude from green day...... wow he sucks. guitar great my ass.

I can't believe people are still complaining about Robin after hearing his amazing job on Better and TWAT... WTF do you guys want? If the album is still not released to show Robin's full talent, it's not his fault! :rant:

Robin is Robin, he never wanted to be the next Slash. Either you like it or not. Both are good in their own ways, no need to put them as if only one could be in that position.

Yeah he is one of the most imitated guitar players on the planet, people steal from him all the time, he only has inspired millions.... but yeah, i guess youve done so much more so you know what your talking about.

i like fink, i think he plays all the songs well and i am a fan of his solos. but i think he gets a lot of shit because he is replacing slash. a lot of guns n roses fans are so into the old band and all this time when gnr has been gone people have listened to many bootlegs. when you are listening to them play patience in 2006 and its time for the solo, obviously fink is not slash, so hes gonna play it different. he has his own style and its not fair to say he sucks just because he isnt slash. slash is gone and i think fink is a good replacement.

Keep that generalization bullshit to yourself.

U dont get deemed a guitar GOD and  Rock hero without earning it.

Finck is nothing as long as he makes his living playing Slash and izzy's guitar parts.


When CD comes out, if he has stepped up to the plate and kicks total fucking ass, he will then get respect.

Until then, he wont.

Not fair. We already heard a bunch of new songs and what he wrote. Sometimes I think many here are waiting for a Robin song that sucks for a reason to bitch about... Because all we already heard gives the guy enough reasons to praise him. Also, this doesn't mean that people who likes Robin dislikes Slash.

Cool thread. 8) Thanks for the Robin insights.

The problem in that scenario is that at least from the demo's, it is Buckethead that plays the best solos in all of the new songs. Listen to the demo of TWAT with Bucket and without, and it becomes evident that it isn't Robin that is going to make this album special or not. So from that respect I am not sure how much respect he is going to get, when his fellow guitarists in the band are the ones responsible for the songs being taken to the next level, and not himself.

Slash would have never become half the legend he was had Izzy or a 3rd guitarist played the NR, Nightrain, PC solos because he wasn't capable of writing or playing them. That is the scenario Robin faces on a nightly basis, so from that respect he has an awful large mountain to climb to ever be thought of as a guitar icon the way previous GNR lead guitarists have been.

The robin solo is better than the BH outro solo on twat. Robins solo from 2:37 to about the 5 minute mark is better that what BH does after that.? Robin has the bulk of the solo in TWAT and its amazing.

One thing people have to remember is in Fincks previous work he was told, "I want your hand to bleed, I don't care if you hit the right notes, I need you to support what I'm trying to say in the song. Here's what your role in the band is, it's not to show that you're the greatest guitar player in the world, it's about supporting this crusade we're on. I need a right-hand man." -Reznor.

He still plays like this today and although reznor wrote the music, he pretty much allowed robin to do whatever he wanted with the music.  Robin now has to immitate slash, which is hard.  Slash was a great guitarist and if you make a mistake on your own work who cares?  But you mess one note up of a legends work you suck.  Slash will be in the Rock hall of fame the moment he is eligible, he is a legend, but believe it or not he would mess up on stage all of the time, it was his own work os no one cared.  Robin messes up, its someone elses stuff so its noticable, also we have the internet now so everyone sees it over and over, plus everyones out to bash him.  He is a great guitarist and a cool guy, I just hope that people open up to him and realize he is apart of GnR and when the album comes out he will be as much apart of it as any of the "original" lineup, even more so cause its present time.

Are you kidding? I'm sorry, but Robin is the one who wrote the Better solos.

Another thing, if  you listen to the leaks and the live songs from 2002 besides madagascar, Robin had pretty much all the solos on the new songs and the ones that BH had on the new songs were pretty short compared to Robin.

ahh.. the dead horse section.

recently even more so, this section seems to essentially be the 'catch all' or sweep under the carpet, out of sight, section for any threads that dont blindly praise Axl

I notice blind praise of Axl, no matter how many threads, doesnt get moved away quite as swiftly - even though thats been discussed 'countless' times as well? :hihi:

back on topic - Finck has something appealing, not sure what. I saw him in 2000 with NIN and he was very impressive. But in saying that, he's been a clumsy guitarust for GNR on many occasions

Ive said it before, leave Slashs shit the hell alone

It only makes people pine for the great man even more

Finck is destined for a hard time

If you have the audacity to 'replace' one of the greatest lead guitarists from one of the greatest rock n roll bands of all time, you better have some amazing shit to bring to the table (as BH showed he did) or else youre in for a torrid reception

Good post Jimmy - pretty much nailed it there.

To all the Finck fans - no offense but if I had years 10 + and endless money at my disposal I could probably write a solo as good as the one in the The Blues. I also know that if I had all that time and money Id at least be able to play the old songs without continually messing them up.

To say hes better than Slash is absurd. If there was no Slash you'd be posting on the Crue board moaning about them instead. At least Slash could play the songs. Plus he wrote them so anyone who anyone who slates him needs to take a reality check. So what if he was drunk some of the time, Finck cant play them sober.

His continued sloppiness and lack of output (along with he rest of the band) suggests to me that they arent so much  band than a bunch of hired hands called in when Axl wants to continue tweaking the ridiculously overdue album. if they were such a tight unit then we'd be on album 3 by now.

Before everyone starts saying 'Oh you hate Guns, go to the VR board wa wa wa' Im an Axl fan (why, I dont know) and look forward to hearing what this album will sound like.

a) you misspelled Robin's last name in your youtube search (it's "Finck", not "Fink")
b) I find this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg3aAgZw3b4&search=robin%20finck%20drunk) video of Robin much better ;D
c) for the record: I love Robin :love:

robin is good... real good... stop being stuck in the past... he deserves a lot more respect than he gets... and that is the only truth

DING DING DING DING DING

We have a Winnah!!!

:beer:

so that means that Finck doesn t play good songs such as better, madagascar, there was a time, chinese democracy, irs etc... you have only heard him playing old gnr songs? wtf? get a grip...

here are my thoughts on robin finck. i liked this guy ever since i saw him perform at rock in rio in 2001, and watched an entire board community, with a few exceptions, bash robin finck for his appearance, his playing, everything. this went on for YEARS. now, in 2006, when robin has changed his looks and stepped his game up as far as playing the solos goes, he received praise from the very same people who even referred to him as a "fag", just months earlier. this sickens me. i remember telling my sister about robin finck and how happy i was that he was in the band in 2001, no way in hell am i going to accept that people who bashed him senselessly now also call themselves his fans. that's my personal opinion. robin finck rocks, as does axl rose. think of it like this. if axl rose came out in 1986, and didn't quite know how to use his voice to reach its full potential yet, and people would say "what a fag, what the fuck are these guys doing with this talentless fag on vocals", and then, if axl a year or two later came out with a much better voice and changed his appearance, those same people would say "oh this guy rocks, i'm a fan of his singing". would that be right? fuck off and stop jumping the bandwagon. if you're a true fan, you're a fan from the first time you hear? or see the artist.

You hit the nail on the head with that one..

Has CD been release yes or no? He isn't going to get praise from the general public by songs they've heard him playing live and that's it. Once CD is released and if there are great parts on by him then he will get the deserved praised until then he won't because like I said he isn't goign to get critical acclaim just from playing unreleased songs live.

dude seriously.. Im a big fan of Cobain but hes not a guitar legend at all..

I disagree with you... have you ever heard NIN?

wether you like him or not, he doesn't go unnoticed  ;D :hihi: :hihi:

Yes but your missing the point, that was Fincks own guitar work, and the moment he's playing more of Slash'/Izzys work then he is hiw own in GnR. And he can't get full appreasal till his own GnR work is released.

I guess you are not serious now.  That means that when Slash went to VR had to prove his ability to play guitar.... or
Ron Thal has to prove now his ability to play guitar. Maybe even buckethead had to prove us his ability to play guitar when he joined GNR.... I can accept the fact that you may like Finck or not... but not that his has to prove his talent through a GNR record. That's silly

Finck is actually the closest to Slash in terms of playing style of all the three guitarists. He's quite bluesy rather than a shredder, he is definately the most rock n' roll of the three. That's why he plays most of the old Slash solos, particularly the bluesier ones. He is definately the best of the three in the writing department as well. Better is the best of the new songs and his solos in Better, The Blues and There Was A Time are brilliant. Considering we have only heard about eight or nine gnr songs featuring Finck so far, he's done quite well. His stage presence is good as well.

Three reservations:

1) The solos he plays on his own between songs suck.
2) I'm suspicious of his change of look since 2002. Apart from the obvious beard and long hair and his ditching of the goth look, there is all the stage diving, the smiling and the "this is what I live for" comments. I don't know, why wasn't he doing this in 2002. It seems a bit too coreographed and fake, like Axl asked him to change his look and style to fit in with the band. Which I suppose is a good thing, but hopefully he does this coz he wants to, not because he is under contract.
3) Trent Reznor said that Axl offered Robin Finck a shitload of money to return to GnR and he did. Ok, Reznor might be wrong, but he knows Finck better than any of us! It does seem strange that he left and then returned. We haven't really anything about the reasons for leaving and joining again, so I have a feeling Trent was right. Axl, when paying him a lot of money has more control over his look which fits in with no.2. Who knows though?

for the record...the only NIN album that Finck is presented on is the live one...reznor writes everything for NIN...EVERYTHING Robin was just able to play it the way Trent wanted it played

and estranged paul....take a good listen to some old gnr solos...off your cds...tell me slash doesn't rip it up...NR outro comes to mind ;)

I thought D? was able to sum it up the best:

Who said the music has taken 10 years to write? The music has been done since 2002 for the most part. Axl has been adding mostly arrangements over the last 4 years, the others have not really  gone back into the  studio save the tweak here and there. The blues and twat solos are pretty much the same as they were in 1999 save the BH part on TWAT which was added in 2002 or earlier, so what is this crap that it has taken robin ten years to write these solos? You really love to twist things to not give credit to robin dont you? The blues was written in 1999, that solo did not take robin anytime to make at all, so why are you lying?

Again as for Robin messing up the old songs, I dont know how many times I have to say this, he is not messing them up. It his playing it HIS WAY, he plays the solos the same every time, thus he changed them a bit to add his flavor to it. He has proved he can play the songs note for note like slash since he pretty much plays SCOM just like slash. I dont know why people cant understand this simple concept.

That would be OK if he wasn't playing GNR songs in a band called GNR. People goto concerts expecting to hear GNR songs played the way GNR played them, not Robin Finck playing his version of them. If he would like to do his adaptations of what he wants GNR songs to sound like, he should go join a GNR cover band where the expectations are a little lower.

1. Its a matter of taste, some of his solos between songs are great and some are just weird but its robin.
2. Robin did all that stage diving in NIN too, so that has not changed. As for his looks, robin has always changed his look over the years. Just look at him with NIN or Manson, his looked always changed. You ever think Robin left the goth look beside HE WANTED to? And thought that he did not need it because of the bands style? Axl would not ask him to change his look it would be like saying BH would lose his Bucket for gnr back in 2002.
3. That money thing is a crock of shit. Its easy why Robin stayed with Axl and not Trent and no its not for the money. The reason being is Axl let robin write music for guns n roses while Trent would not let Robin write for NIN. Trent does not let anyone else write for NIN, while Axl loved what Robin could bring. IN NIN robin felt like just a live player where as in guns n roses he felt like he was IN a band becasue he helped write the songs he plays and will be on the next album.
Tell me this, if you had a choice of joining two bands, and one lead singer said ?you can help write songs and the other said no you just play how i tell you to on the album and what I wrote, what band would you go with?

That is funny since guns n roses even changed the way their played their own songs live compared to how they were on the albums. Just look at patience, gnr after 1989 never played it like it was on the album, slash totally changed the solo. He did it other times too. Axl even said they updated the songs when they redid AFD plus the other few songs they play live, they are playing it different. Face it, this band is guns n roses now, and they are not a cover band and going to play the songs note for note they are going to put their style into it. There is nothing wrong with that. Some people just have to get over it already. The changes are not even that different, I dont know what the big deal is.

When BH changed the outro to NT and played it his way it was fucking amazing and better than slash ever did it. Some of you need to move out of the past, this band plays the songs the way they want. Deal with it. They have been doing it for 6 years now. The way some of you talk its like its something new they are doing this.

The album will be the final judge on Fink's merits. Though, I'm already a huge supporter.  : ok: I think he gets a lot of unwarranted criticism. Yes, he's not Slash. And, this is not 1994.

totally bad choice of songs cuz the studio version was 4 acoustic guitars and no bass or drums on the album....they usually play it electric with 2 electric guitars an electric bass guitar and drums live so of course their gonna do it different

I understand that they wanna change up the songs but when you fuck with classic tunes then you piss people off...do you think clapton's new guitarists change the old tunes cuz they wanna update them? i doubt it very much...

IMO BH didn't change the NR outro very much at all...if any :P

and it's spelled finCk

erm.... should i say my opinion????

ok ill say it, i dislike fink, he wrecks slash's solo's, acts like a prat on stage and his solo's at gigs are average, but his solo's in the songs are cool.i just dint think he fits in GNR.

That is not true at all. This is a "what have you done for me lately" world. I dont care if he as been "working" with axl for 30 years. Until we get an album of new material, What do you expect us older gnr fans to say? Ya, that guy can really play slash's music! As Long as axl continues to cover the back catalogue, we will never know.

Finck Fan: Robin is good!
Slash Fan: But he's not Slash!

. . . seems to be the way the discussion tends to go. Both points are true, of course, but the second one seems redundant. By my calculations (and I'm no math genius, so I could be wrong) it seems to me that everyone who isn't Slash, isn't Slash. 

One guy is Slash though (his name is Slash). And I think he probably remembers better than most GNR fans do that it took a really, really long time for Slash to get any sort of respect for his guitar playing. You see, he was a legato style soloist and old-school riffer who became well known at a time when rock music was dominated by bad metal bands with super-fast shredders and Van Halen clones on guitar, while mainstream music was dominated by electro-pop bullshit. So Slash caught shit from both sides, being too smooth and retro for the rock scene and too scuzzy and rockish for the pop clones. Even guitar veterans like Keith Richards would say, when asked, "I have no opinion of him," and then leave to get their veins flushed. It was only really GNR fans who liked his style and gave him the deserved praise. Anyway, fast forward about five years and Slash was one of the most famous living guitarists in the most famous band on the most famous planet in the whole universe. Metal and shredding and the Van Halen clones had worn out their welcome and gone underground to record bad music with orchestral accompaniment and electro-pop had been unplugged, returned to the manufacturer and broken down into its component parts and shelved for later. Both the mainstream and the rock scene were now being molested by soft-rock, pop-rock, returning old-school rock bands, and GNR clones. Begrudgingly, many of the critics, music fans and even other musicians had come around to the fact that Slash was actually pretty good, especially compared to his imitators. And with this encouragement, many GNR fans declared Slash a deity. And since most people, especially music fans, were too busy fixing their hair or working the night shift at the gas station to notice or care, Slash was officially enshrined as the God of Perms.

And about a week later Slash, GNR, and pretty much all of rock music, disappeared.


Now we have a new GNR - and a new guitarist, his name is Robin. He too has a style all his own which is relatively unpopular outside of me and about five other people. His detractors often complain about things like, "He isn't Slash!" Or, "He doesn't have a perm!" But we all know better. The day will (eventually, hopefully) come when he isn't called upon to revisit the shrine of Slash, God of Perms, as much and will instead be able to play his own music in his own way, perhaps in front of living people on a regular basis. And once he's had enough time and experience doing so to hone his chops and develop an unfortunate chemical dependancy problem, perhaps we'll be able to say "Hey, sure he isn't Slash and he doesn't have a perm but, you know, he's pretty good too." And he will be enshrined as Robin, God of  Often Mis-spelled Surnames.   

That is funny because when gnr first started playing the song they played it just like the studio version only they added drums. The current version of gnr plays it the way the orginal played patience in 1988-89.

nah not really...it usually goes...

Finck Swinger: "Robin is a god that is the greatest guitarist ever to grace the stage with Axl and he's a much greater guitarist than slash ever was...i mean look at better...Robin wrote it"
Old GnR fan: "pfft....yeah right"

Robins writing that we heard heard this far is better than anything slash has wriitten in VR. There ya go : ok:

slash wrote the greatest riff of all time as some people say SCOM!!!

slither, sucker train blues, fall to peices, headspace, illegal i song, you got no right

"Some people say"? You mean, "people who aren't Slash", I guess? Cos I remember him saying something more like "I thought it was just going to be a filler track, we threw it together at the last moment to replace [whatever track got cut from AFD], blah blah blah and then it got released as a single and was huge and GOD DAMN am I sick of hearing it." Or something like that, in the old Mick Wall GNR biography. 

But Robin's writing in 'GNR' isnt better than what Slash wrote for GNR. Thats the band we are talking about, right?

im sure it was a throw up between november rain and scom

Those are not better than the stuff on the blues, twat or better.

Um no people are comparing Slash to Robin. So lets compare what each has written recently, since some people are claiming that Robin is not even close to being as good as Slash. And if you want to compare it to the old stuff, the solos that robin wrote for TWAT are up there with the nov rain and scom solos.

And how do you know this? Are you indeed, Robin Finck....  :hihi:

For God's sake. Don't you people get tired of comparing one musician to another?

Slash is an amazing guitar player, and I wouldn't be surprised if even Robin would agree with that.

The fact is, Robin is in the band, Slash isn't. Robin isn't in the band because he was in the right bar at the right time. He's in the band because he's the right guy to be there.

He's proven that already. Go and listen to Better for proof.

I suspect we'll find out his other contributions once the album is out.




/jarmo

hahaha, genius post! ;D

IMHO slash is awsome and finck is average!!he has done nothing to associate why he should even be in the same league as slash!!i mean example, slash wrote scom, wether you're a GNR fan or not 99% of people have heard of it.i havnt heard on of fincks songs outside of GNR.slash is a rock god. finck is average/good IMHO

Yeah and if slash had his way that SCOM we all know and love would have been scrapped.

okay not convinced??great riffs, solo's

rocket queen, november rain, estranged, dont cry, you could be mine list goes on.another fact robin is playing slash's parts, and not doin them much justice.its nothing against robin, i just think slash's sound is unique, even a bad not by slash sounds ok.

Exactly.

Since when music is the competition for good marks?
When music fans stop enjoying music? 
Funny thing is that their most vocal critics tend not to even know what is c in music, it seems.

I quote john paul jones words again
"Think not just how you should sound... but how the band should sound and work towards that."

music dies when a band is about competition.

But you never would have known about it so it wouldnt matter.

So what do you have against Slash then? Go on, tell us!

No one is saying slash is not good, we all know slash is amazing for what he did in gnr, what we are saying is Finck is not crap like some of you make him out to be. I dont understand some of you. You think if we think Finck is great it must mean we think slashs work in gnr sucked. Stop putting words in our mouths.

And if you really want to go with Robins playing again I have tons of mp3s (I have already posted a few) where slash butchers him own solos that the wrote. And dont give me that shit he was wasted because a lot of them come from 1991 when he was sober for those shows. I posted that Nov Rain solo a few weeks ago and people thought it was Finck playing when it was really slash.

Like I just said, some of you need to get a clue. Just because we think Finck is great doesnt mean we think slashs work in sucks. Where do you people come up with this shit? All I am saying is Finck is great and not crap like some of your claim and his work on the demos and live stuff so far is on par with a lot of the work slash did in gnr.

What dave says are so true but to be honest Robin is far interesting as an artist than.... well I shan't say who.

You never know how he looks and sounds next.

A few songs and a bunch of live shows is not on a par with slash's work in GNR. Have you noticed that the old line up released a few albums and did the biggest tour ever whilst Slash also managed to establish himself as a lengendary rock n roll icon?
 
As well as writing some awesome stuff - Slash helped build Guns from nothing to the biggest band in the world. He didnt just hop aboard some established name. Albeit one that has long since been dragged through the mud. To suggest that what Finck has done with GNR is on a par with Slash is a blatent insult to the intelligence of everyone who posts here.

But at least you said Slash's work doesnt suck. Cos if you did..... :rant:

slash was always wasted.if you noticed in 1991 he was fucking up everyfin, 1992 he wasnt.what does that say??st louis for instance i mean he was so wasted!!as for the robin argument, im not slasting him, im just backing up the fact that slash is way above him, people are saying robin is better than slash which i find very hard to beleive

Like I said, what we have heard from robin with better, twat and the blues, those are on par with the old gnr songs for the solos and or riffs. What is so bad with saything that? Listen to Robins solo in TWAT, its amazing and its better than the solos in dont cry and patience from the old band. Yes I said it.

As for slash just not ?hopping on the est. gnr name and dragging it through the mudd, you know what he did do right?
He quit the band that he helped built and left Axl hanging. He also bad mouths the band every chance he gets.

I still dont understand how you think this new band drags the name gnr through the mud. Care to explain that one to me? The fact is the people in this band now care about the band enough to be in this band where as Slash and the ex members quit because they did not want to be apart of it anymore. why cant ?you understand this. If ?you want someone to blame for the state gnr is in right now blame the ex members that quit not the current members that have built this band back up to where it is now. Because if this band was not ?the members we have ?now, we would not have songs like CITR, Better, Madagascar, twat and the blues, and basically the VR album would have been a gnr album with Axl on vocals. The funny thing is the demo and live stuff we have heard from gnr is more gnr than the stuff that is on the VR album and VR has 2 orginal members of gnr. Go figure.

I know Jarmo but i gotta keep a healthy dose of realism in here :hihi: otherwise we start geting more and more posts like this


...I'd be the same way if say somebody said, hmm lets say, "Noel Gallager is a better guitarist than Dave Mustaine" :hihi: right, sure he is ::)

i appreciate the fact that people really dig Robin but once shit like that starts i gotta have my say :peace:

@ Dave they quit cuz they couldn't work with Axl anymore...everyone was at fault, nobody wanted to bend....it wasn't just slash or axl or izzy or duff that broke the band...they made it together and they broke it together

That is always the excuse for slash when he fucked up, oh he was wasted   ::)

plus iv heard fincks live solo's they arent up to much IMO alot of mistakes.its the energy he plays with, in some respect to slash

He didn't say anything about anybody being better than anybody. He said that he LIKES Robin more than Slash. We call them "opinions," it might be a good idea to look the word up.

But I am totally ready for you to prove, through the power of "realism," that Lucky can't LIKE Robin more than he likes Slash. Let my strap myself into my chair. . . okay, I'm ready. Go. 

who's guitar playing has him coming to a GnR site 13 years after the last studio album?

 :P

na he does do alot of fuck ups, but its obvius when he is wasted, take st louis, he was fucked, tokoyo dvds he wasnt just didnt hit some notes!!!

Neemo
Why someones preference for Robin galls you so much?
Do you assume everyone must like slash than anyone? 

Where Lucky says Robin plays better than slash? Nor does he even say he doesn't like slash.
he's just stating the fact that he PREFERS Robin to slash.

So do I.

Robin's, apparently. You see, there's this new line-up of GNR now and they're out touring and. . . Well, you can see were that argument kind of falls flat :P

yeah i know...but I've seen it escalate before :hihi: I'm actually surprised this is still not in Deadhorse...

anyway...i don't care who anybody prefers...that's your choice. It's just that Slash's work, along with the rest of the guys in the orig band...made GnR the band they were, and Robin fans, not all mind you, but a healthy dose of them, seem to besmirch Slash and anything associated with him.

I like Slash and Axl equally...I gotta defend slash and all he accomplished in GnR, unfortunately some people don't seem to credit Slash as much as he deserves IMO, and i don't understand how one can like GnR and not like Slash? It's puzzling to me. :-\

besides I'm working on accepting Robin :hihi: Right now the only member i can justify as actually being a member of GnR is Axl :-[ Hopefully I'll get an album to listen to soon so i can place Slash, Duff and Matt solely in VR and Robin (et al) firmly in GnR in my own mind ;)



Well they are playing mostly old tunes from the orig band so i guess you're referring to those 3 "new" songs they play each night? you can see were that argument kind of falls flat :P I am being patient, I am, but until they are playing mostly their own stuff they are just Axl's backup band IMO, WHEN the setlist evolves then I'll be going to see the New Guns and Roses, but if by the time they come to my neighborhood and they are still playing 85% AFD songs then I'll be there to see only Axl :(

Are you actually Axl? If so, please get this fucking album out so we can criticise that instead.

I think the general story of why Slash quit was because Axl was a megolomanic who wanted to change the bands style to whatever was fashionable at the time, be it NIN or whatever. Plus, I think making them sign over the band name whilst threatening to leave during a massive tour didnt help. Its not like that worked for him though - 13 years down the line and hes still not done anything really worthy with that name.

Also, rejecting all of Slash's material, his general disdain for fans etc probably didnt help.

So does Slash really bad mouth the band at all? Please provide examples.....

As far as I see he doesnt really care that much, and rightly so. Its not like hes tarnished the GNR name or anything. He quit whilst he was ahead. If someone rejected everything I put forward Id leave too.

But we've been over this all a million times so theres not much else to say.

actually Duff reportedly walked out on those sessions first, before Axl ;)

the above two posts except thei one^^ are my exact thoughts!!!spot on

So Duff rejected all of Slash's material?

I wasnt aware of that.

So why did Duff leave then?

duff was the last to leave wasnt he??

duff couldnt have rejected it when he ended up playing some on its 5 oclock somewhere

Well thats what I thought, but loads of folks on here seem to have actually been there when this was all happening so maybe they'd know something we dont.

plus i thought slash and axl were never in the same room together since UYI recordings and they were apart for some of them confused ???

First off Slash quite because he did not want to evolve the band. The funny thing is he refused to work on axl songs yet you get pissed when ?you say Axl rejected slashs material which is not true. Axl told slash his songs needed work and slash refused to fix them up. That is why axl later asked for the songs because axl thought slash fixed them up but he didnt and instead used them for snake pit. ?

As for Axl making the band sign over the name, that is because they were ?wasted back then and Axl did not want them fucking up the band.

How does Axl has disdain for the band, please explain that one?

The fact is slash and duff quit over the musical direction of the band yet when they went to VR instead of sounding like gnr they ended up sounding llike STP which is not the direction they wanted to go in with axl ?:rofl:

And yet you understand how one can like GnR and HATE Axl with passion? Or Robin.
That would be puzzling to me.

You can always like the music and not the writer. not everyone digs artists.
I'm usually rather indifferent too.
I don't understand some fans strong hatred toward the musicians.

This board is down and out ???  :rant: Just thread upon thread of useless babble.

I agree with Neemo's posts. 

He played one song on 5 O'Clock...but there is an interview with Axl somewhere where he says that that was supposed to be the 'next' gnr record...but even Duff refused to do it and actually walked out on the sessions...then later axl walked out on it...then Slash got Mike Inez and Eric Dover, I think overall that GnR was in a bad situation at the end in '95...none of them could see eye to eye...they had unravelled.

you are correct Duff was the last to leave...but he left only after Finck and Vrenna had been brought in from NIN for the fabled "Industrial" record...Jarmo has a great history of GnR section ya know :hihi: check it out some time


Nah I don't hate robin but i do hate the way robin plays the old songs...especially patience :puke: and i dislike NIN so that part of his background doesn't impress me much...and his mysterious attitude to fans is puzzling to me (ie the time where he just walked away from somebody asking and NIN question without a word, and Tonya's recollection of the weird look and creepy vibe) but at the same time .... I love There Was a Time (yes it has grown on me ;D )and Better and IRS and Maddy. The Blues is OK but to me the writing process with May is clouding things up at the moment for me

Also no i don't understand how one can hate Axl and love GnR at the same time but we don't get much Axl bashing on here....just the media :hihi: the rest get banned :rofl:

One band i DO hate is AC/DC :rant:

First of all, I didnt say Axl has disdain for the band. I said his fans. Hopefully I dont need to explain that point to you. Seems pretty obvious.

If Axl said Slash's songs need some work then why not help him out? Isnt that what bands do - they collaborate. Maybe thats why CD isnt out yet. More of a dictatorship than a band perhaps. Surely when you present someone in your band with a song its not the finished song. Axl wasnt his boss, they were in a band together and he should have behaved that way. As for Slash rejecting Axl's material - Well, if it was anything like Silkworms or whatever back then, then good for Slash.

Axl then did what - Didnt he try and sue Slash for the Snakepit songs that he'd previously rejected? Oh so you did like them then did you, just being difficult were you? What a surprise.

As for the part of saying he took over the band name because they were too wasted - thats ridiculous surely. Again hes being a control freak. Why hasnt he given them whats rightfully theirs now that theyre sober and gone on to do the 'Axl Rose Connection' or whatever?

Most of the time I like to think that I can have an unbiased conversation on this board, but with you Dave it seems that what Axl says is the absolute truth, everyone else is a liar. Whys that? Do you know something we dont....?

thanks boss!! : ok: ...finally some support i was feeling a bit :nervous: :nervous:

Well, no. :P
Because Slash isn't playing guitar in GNR anymore, therefore his guitar playing isn't part of the live equation. They could go out and play Prince covers all night long and you'd still be listening to Robin's guitar-playing. I guess what you mean is that, since they're playing a set of old GNR songs, it's the old material which is bringing people to the shows. Which is probably less true than the fact that the GNR name is what's getting the shows to happen in the first place and bringing the people in. That's certainly true, I have no arguments there.   

But the question of whether Robin is a good guitarist doesn't really have anything to do with that baggage. The name of the band and the fact that they're limited to playing mainly established material from a different line-up isn't his fault, and has nothing to do with his abilities. In NIN he was playing someone else's music every night and his talent was still readily apparent.

In fact, look at blues or jazz musicians. They have a long and storied tradition of using particular song structures and covering standards, and no-one would  say "Oh yeah, Coltrane's version of 'My Favorite Things' was amazing but he didn't write the tune, so fuck him, he's a hack."  It would be laughable.

I know that the cognitive dissonance is the result of having to weigh intangible momentary live performances by Robin against the established recorded back-catalogue of material. the reason that he's compared against Slash is because he's playing the songs Slash used to play, we all realize that. But it will always be that way, for as long as he's in GNR he'll have to play those songs. And it seems doubly silly to judge him by how closely he sticks to Slash's style and phrasing on those songs when Robin probably has no inclination to emulate Slash's playing anyway. It's a tad unfair to judge someone by what they aren't rather than what they are. So, he's not Slash. But he is Robin Finck, and that ought to be worth something.  At the very least, it ought to allow him the right to be judged by his own contributions.

He may well be a second-rate Slash, but he's a first-class Robin Finck. It's clear that he has more to offer than blurry photocopies of Slash's lines. I have no problem with people disliking him, or disliking his playing. That's fine. If you hear him play and decide that you think he's a piece of shit , then good for you. It's your head, you're entitled to your own thoughts. But those who immediately assert that he's crap because he's not someone else are flushing the entire thought process down the toilet. It's setting an impossible goal, deliberately designed to be unachievable.








I'll go out on a limb here; I like Robin. And I like Slash. I think they're both good guitarists. I have my preference of the two, and it has nothing to do with who is in the band right now or who has the most credits on the most records, or even which is the better guitarist. It's entirely based on which one I prefer to listen to today. And that has absolutely no effect on the quality of the other guy's playing. He's still just as good as he was yesterday.

neemo why do you hate how robin play patience, he plays it just like the old band did in 88/89

Great post 25!! : ok: and I'm not saying that Robin has no talent..I'm disputing the posters that say he's the best guitarist GnR has ever had...cuz to me it's impossible to me with no official material under his belt...also some posters say that he plays the old tunes better than Slash did...hmm i beg to differ...but that's my opinion...i can equally voice it as much as the ones who swing the robin direction..sadly I'm one of the few who seems to defend Slash around here lately. Most people prolly can't be bothered but I can't help myself :hihi:

as to Robin's playing bringing in the fans to the shows....hmmm...somehow i don't think so, maybe the diehard Robin fans around these boards...But I doubt the average person has easy access to bootlegs or leaks...most people know the songs as they appear on the albums or in the GH or live era disks...that is a big strike against your argument there because Robin isn't on an officially released GnR track yet...so in going to a concert avereage people prolly expect to hear GnR tunes as they are heard on GnR albums...which is Slash's playing...sorry to say ;) somebody should do a poll at the next GnR show...


just for shits and giggles :peace:


I dunno...I just don't like the way he plays the last solo :-\ It's one of the few GnR tunes i can play and he's bending notes and shit everywhere and he's off on them IMO...just pluck 'em man, like it's supposed to be done....but he does it the same everyday so i know he means to do it....I just don't like it :no: to tell you the truth that is a big cornerstone of my dissapointment...I kinda wish they would stop playing it :'(

Here is a clean slash playing patience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za7mqvuoTQ&search=guns%20n%20roses%20patience




I dont see much difference in how they play it.

Slash being great doesn't make Finck necessarily bad, yes Slash wrote great riffs and solos, we all know that

And to the same extent, to prove Finck is good, don't try to prove hes better than Slash. Slash isn't great coz hes better than Finck, hes great coz hes great, if you want to try and show Finck is great, bring up something hes done that is great on its own, not just in comparison to Slash's work

I tried to make that sound as simple as possible but now im not sure it makes sense

Man are you serious? Look at the whole solo slash plays there, he picks ever note and flourishes more notes in there...that's the way i like it...Robin doesn't play like that...he bends his notes and goes to far with the bends IMO and when he does pick it's all stuttery stoppy like....he's not a smooth player (I coined Sloppy a while ago :hihi: ) ....watch that you tube one from 3:30 to 4:30 that whole minute...Robin doesn't play it like that

see here i go again :hihi: I try not to compare the two cuz they play totally different but you go and do that and make me miss slash again :hihi:

if you're gonna play a tune...play it right IMO

Oh, I agree that people aren't going to the shows to see Robin. I said that the GNR name was bringing them, I'm sure that a large percentage of the people at the shows have no idea who Robin or any of the other guys are.

And if anyone is calling Robin "the best" anything they they should probably be ignored, or delivered to an institution capable of dealing with fanboy nutswingers. They're just as bad as the detractors for blindly taking sides. I don't even understand why there are "sides," but that's the way of things among fanboys, I guess. Regardless, Robin's a good guitar player and in time will likely come into his own. But even if he becomes completely accepted and utterly adored by GNR fans, Slash still won't need defending. Slash is big enough and ugly enough to get by on his own. And anyone who needs to take pot-shots at one of those guys to make the other look better is either deluded or thoroughly insecure in their position.

For those who feel the need to slight Slash: You might want to check out the albums he did with this one band, it was called Guns N Roses. He was pretty fucking good at what he did.

For those who feel the need to slight Robin: You might want to check out the shows he's doing with this one band, it's called Guns N Roses. He's pretty fucking good at what he does.

For those who feel the need to compare the two ad infinitum: I hate to pop your little unreality bubble, but these are two different guys. They have different styles. Yes, I know that you prefer one to the other, that's what life is made up of - things you like, things you don't like, and the things in between. It's different for everyone. It's okay to like more than one thing. Really. I swear. "Two opinions in one head? Who can live at that speed?!" I know, it might take some getting used to. But it can be done. You have my word. 

im supporting locomotive98.spot on!!

Aaahhh thanks mate! At least I'm not alone.  : ok:

also from memory i seem to recall reading that Slash was unwilling to budge from his own 'vision'

slash seems to do what he feels is right, he always has, he doesnt let others get in his way

Slash didn't have a "vision" he just wanted to keep writing/playing Rock N Roll. Axl was the one who wouldn't budge from his industrial/try everythink vision.

same with Axl :P

Origen....the Industrial vision didn't happen until Vrenna came into the picture...after Slash left ;)

Also from memory I believe that Slash wanted to do what GNR were doing and thats being a rock n roll band. Thats what they all signed up for and thats what they were.

I cant imagine he wanted to go from being GNR to NIN overnight. And why should he?

If Axl wanted to do Industrial/Piano ballads etc couldnt he have set up a side project or released a solo album? The others managed quite easily.

I can only imagine that hes carrying as GNR because hes worried he'd fail if he was in a band with another name. If thats the case it becomes more about money and fame than the music itself and I reckon thats why its taking an absurd amount of time to get it released.

Axl's admiration for Trent and the way he ran things in NIN grew when the old band completely disolved. (and yeah, he also liked NIN's sound...)

Axl wants to be the wizard behind the curtain like Reznor is. He has a vision and wanted everything to take the shape of this idea, exactly the way he wants it. So, he sees Robin in NIN- a guitarist that can help Trent acheive exactly what he wants. We all know who is responsible for all of NIN's music.

Axl then goes hey, if Robin can be manipulated in a sense, maybe I can get out of him what Trent was capable of getting out of him for my CD.

yes but slash was never controlive about it!!he didnt say look you have to do this or get out of my band!!!

locomotive98 once again spot on!!

@ the dirt, I doubt your NIN theory. According to Tommy Axl doesn't have a particular vision but just the goals.

@ Neemo I wasn't reffering to you, I meant do you understand the hatred toward robin ron or Axl (yep there are. did you not read the drunk bite thread?) seen in this thread or other.

It's does. competition ruins music.
Song A won't be better or worse because of song B.
Your sister won't be less pretty because your gf is gorgeous.
You won't be more intellectual or less than you're because your GFs brother is in Harvard.

yeah i agree Axl should did a solo album...but it was something like his musical career is GnR not a solo record...that's why he's still going on with the GnR name.

sorry I'm way too lazy to pull quotes today :hihi:

ok anyway i changed my mind....here is the duff and five oclock thing...still looking for he axl solo project thing

Kurt Loder interview 1999 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28)

i dont beleive some of axl's words!!its like cd was ment to be out 10 years ago right??@wheres that!!!

can somebody move this to dead horse now? :(

Neither did Axl :-\ as for slash being controlling or not.... check out that quote above


But Slash speaks god honest truth? c'mon i understand that he may be lying but how can you pic one guy over another...you know how? blame both ;) neither could meet in the middle that's what broke up the band...it's called creative differences...Slash and Duff sold the GnR rights to Axl after Slash left and a couple months before Duff quit so it wasn't like he held them at gun point or anything...Duff didn't like the new direction so he let Axl run with it...and slash gave up on 'compromising with Axl so he wanted nothing to do with it


No shit :hihi:

i recall axl saying sign the band name over to me or its over!!!thats controll!!!

no what slash says isnt gospel, but i beleive him over axl, just because on numerous occasions axl has said one thing then in the future says the complete opposite!!take a look at CD release dates, how many times has axl said, music will be heard this year??this is the third i think

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/history/history9699.php

check out October, 30 1996 then January 1997

Axl doesn't have sole control over what the recod company decides...the reasons for the delays since 2002 are up in the air still :-\

axl is axl

slash is slash

im findin this descussion going in circles, IMO axl's controlivness broke up the band, and he should use the GNR name nomore, it should be diffrent.snakepit was more guns n roses than this band ever was!!

but im giving the new band a chance.

peace out!!

i wish the finck bashing would stop, i know this isnt everyon,  he's been a loyal player/employee/friend of axl for what? 10 years?

ill admit, his playing wasnt great in 01/02 but you can see that he's put in hard work in between then and now and is a better player, please respect him for that, he's in a band you all love, even if you dont like his playing: support him!

totally irreleavnt really. doesnt matter what Slash thinks of it really - then or now. The fact remains, it is one of the most memorable, musical riffs of all time and he wrote it

your other post earlier made some good points although I think you underplay a tad how great Slash is/was/always will be considered. he is up there with the greats, it may have taken a little while for peeps to initially realise it, but it is fait accompli really

it didnt help having to wait around 2-3 hours for your frontman to show up to the gig i would imagine  ::)

robins finest work is Sossego,.. its a nice ass kissing song for the latins