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I was just watching a bunch of old shows I had the other day and everyone of them has Estranged being played live. I just wanted some other people's oppinions and to find out if there was ever a time when Estranged was played live and GN'R did a bad preformance of it. I have never seen one but I always hear that it is such a hard song to play live, my thing is that they always seemed to play it perfectly and it seems like a waste to not play such a great song because its challenging to do, especially when it was succesfully dont so many times. I know they may be hesitant now to play it with the new line up but I never understood why it was always such a big deal to play it live, especially since it has been done, and done well.

May be Axl has some other reason why not to play this. Emotionally difficult or something.... I don't know but I don't think it's too hard for the new band to play. I think they should play Civil War that's such an awesome song and would be perfect cos of what's going on in the world.

I've seen a version (may have been Tokyo) where slash misses a bend in the build up to the second solo - but could the old band ever play anything badly?????  : ok:

Fish

i think gnr banned nation had a list of all estrangedd live vcersions and up to download.

Axl 04 bootlegs (invisonefree) site had them up too but i lost the link :-\

Didn't the Making the videos PT IV, have an interview with Slash on there where he says they went out and played it and I think it was Gilby who missed a few chords then everyone else got messed up off that, but they pulled it back together.

All i remember from the making of is gilby saying something to the effect of - Slash plays all the guitar no one can hear or cares about me  :rofl:

Fish

When has there ever been a time when the song would not fit in with what was going on in the world?

It was so perfect back in the day  :'(   :drool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTmr-KLs_74

The concerts this tour have been slowed down enough with all of the solos, adding another drawn out 10 minute song would put the crowd to sleep. After watching that You Tube video the only way I would ever want to see that played live would be if they took Finck's guitar away for the song, because watching him screw it up would ruin the Holy Grail of GNR songs.

It can't be any worse than hearing him destroy November Rain...

I think Estranged is far too Slash influenced for the new band to play. The song just seems like its Axl and Slash's baby.

Heh, I uploaded that.

And Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child O Mine aren't too Slash influenced? I doubt that's the reason.

The old band usually played Estranged well. Thing is the guitar tone never sounded right live. It doesn't have the same epic feel to it. Plus it's one of those songs it looks as if the band is just going through the motions when playing it live. It's hard to put a different spin on it or something, kinda hard to explain what I mean but anyway I'd still
love to hear it live. Plus it has a big long instrumental interlude in the middle so Axl can go for a break much better than hearing another Finck solo!

Having said that Axl wants to put on a rock show and obviously feels the Blues, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, November Rain, Patience and Madagascar are enough ballads and there is therefore no need for Don't Cry or Estranged. I understand this but would like to see KOHD and Patience dropped for Don't Cry and Estranged. Not gonna happen, so not much point in discussing it I suppose.

I always thought Estranged was a better studio song.  The vocal effects and the layering of the instruments is difficult to replicate live.  This is a song that's heavily produced, so playing it live and making it sound like it does on the album is almost impossible.  Estranged was never a great song live, it's too long and melancholy.  It's one of the greatest songs ever to me, but it's so long and moody that it's kind of a momentum killer if played live, you can only have so many long ballads at one show, and I think NR is a much better live song than Estranged

you asked if they ever messed it up....i think it was one of the shows at the forum where they started the song and axl  made them start it over again and then he sung 2 lines then walked off stage and ended the show...................and rock n rio 91 (1st time ever played it) axl's voice was destroyed and he could barely get thru it............

this band is not good enough to play a song like estranged.  its too long and hard for them to play. 

Could you please shut the fuck up already? That's so annoying and boring to read the same shit over and over again in every thread.

what are you talking? you shut up! when did we talk about estranged before on this boad!!!!!! your so annoying! why? u think the band can play estranged? i dont think that they can play it! if they can play it then they would play it! huh? so simple huh? the reason they dont play it is coz they cant play it! only Axl and Dizzy know that song! the others dont!

 :hihi: : ok:

Didn't someone have a boot of the practice sessions for the HOB 2001 show where they played Estranged and Civil War? I remember them saying Axl didn't sound too good on CW. I can't remember what they said about Estranged.

I think that the new band can play this song... but even if they don't I would be happy to hear it only by Dizzy and Axl... Dizzy was the man that played this song during the illusions tour and AXL said that he doesn t even? know to play this song (on piano) anymore (during the making of estranged video). It s an amazing song and an accoustic version only with Dizzy on keyboards it s welcome from me? :)

yeah me too! i dont think they can play that. even gilby said that its too hard to play the solo. even axl thanked slash for that solo. you thik foot guiter and gum shoes can play that solo? haha no way.

im hre to talk about guns n roses too! if you dont like what i say then dont read it! ok?? i dont think they can play it. got it? why you tell me shut the fuck up? i never even talk about estranged before! did you? i dont know what u problem with me!  hope u have a good time!

You know little of musicianship. Your opinions are awfully biased and extremely moronic in execution. If you seriously think that this band is actually not capable of playing Estranged then you are blind, deaf, and shot in the brain. If you knew anything about these musicians' histories you wouldn't refer to such idiotic tactics and strageties.

To put up with your nonsense and inabilty to comprehend things purely and clearly gives the band another stump in which they do not need to stumble upon. Don't be a prune and educate yourself in these specific matters you dis so much. In the clear end, you're just an attacker of what is eloquently sublime.

You fool. ::)

i know alot of musiscianship! i have my own band! i know alot more than you! you attack me coz i think they cant play estranged? why you attack me coz i disagree with you? i have heard this band as much as you! i know thier history as much as you! im not deaf! and if i was blind it dont matter does it!!! you fool! you dont listen to the band with your eyes! you fool!  maybe they could try to play it but its not gonna be correct! even dizzy has said many people cant play that song and coma! i hear many mistakes from these two guiter players that you all think are so great! they are not as good as you think they are. they are sucks actually. coz my opinion is different than you iam a fool? you fool! you have a good time too!

I pitty tha fool...

I was hoping for an intelligent reply with some actual credentials. That did not occur.

Also, suddenly you know many things about me...hmmm...you must have a crystal ball. Are you a fortune teller? Huh? I do not wish to continue this 'argument' until you show me some reason within your words. You obviously have read very little here.

Goodnight.

i dont know anything about u! i dont know u! u said about me first! you called me fool. your fool.  you didnt provide any intelligent replys with why u think the band CAN play the song. That didnt occur! good u dont consider to continue the argument that you make coz you dont know! they cant play it. i think they cant play it. you think they can play it! simple! why you attacked me and called me fool and call me names? you just have to say taht you think they can play the song! simple! ok? i think i have read more than you. i think you cant even read what i wrote with out getting sooo mad that someone else thinks the band cant play the song! you got mad not me. i dont care. i know they cant even play the song so what?

good morning!

I thought we were talking about estranged.... ?:-\

I think that all these arguments are out of topic...

This band is capable to play other songs... such as welcome to the jungle, paradise city ... november rain (i like bf 's solo)... They are all of them amazing musicians and I guess they are able to play estranged too... but I don t think that Axl wants that... He doesn t even sing Don t cry ?:-\ and there aren t many songs of UYI albums on their set list... so I guess we ll never know if they can or not...

life goes on... ?

exactly! maybe they can. maybe they cant. guess we will never know. I think if they practise or rehearse the song they can play it. same as any band! i dont think it would be correct like the ones who write the song,. even dizzy has said not many ppl can play those songs correctly. thats all.  wish i could hear them try to play it but i think they dont play it coz they dont know it. its not what they know. thats why they cant play it!


thats my favorite guns n roses song! thas why i choose it for my screen name! i want to hear it played perfect not wrong. i dont think they can play it perfect! 

Probably the same reason that they hardly play shit from UYI.

I don't understand why everyone wants them to play Estranged live. A 10 min long song at a concert full of sweaty people ready to rock? No thanks.

Also, please... the new band could totally play the song. They play every other one fine.. why not this?

coz its a good song! its the best song! its better than a 10 min long solo from gum shoes or foot guiter! its way better than hearing those two paly on and on. thats more boring than hearing estranged!

they could play it if they reahears but not perfect. only slash can play that solo like that. no gummy shoes or a foot guiter.

they used to play estranged and coma at concerts too... and nobody had problem listening to these songs for 20 minutes... so don t think that reason for not playing it is that its a 10min long song....

So... the guitarists can play the Nightrain solo.. November Rains solo.. but not Estranged? I doubt it.  But you do have a point with the fact that its better than a bunch of random solos.... then again the solos are for Axl to have some rest time.

I just don't think Axl wants it on the set. Simple as that. Why preform a 10 min song that was never too popular with the general public anyways?


The old band rarely played either Coma or Estranged. And for good reason.. too long... and not enough popularity. There may have been rare occasions where one or the other would be played.. but it was rare. And was there a show where both were played? Cause that would be a lonnnnnnnng 20 min for the casual fan.

Either way.. Estranged is just not a concert song... I honestly wouldn't want it in the set.

they played both Coma and Estranged back in 92 at Chicago... and I believe that this concert was their best concert ever... anyway... we just express our opinions here...

True that sister.  :peace: : ok:

of all the UYI songs they should give "Locomotive" a go...  brilliant song, and they didn't play too othen back in the days..
and it's an easy one too..!! :rofl:

Actually Estranged is much easier to play than the likes of November Rain, Sweet Child O' Mine, Paradise City and much of the new songs. No musician argues with the fact that the new band are technically better than the old band, so they could play it easy enough. In fact three guitars could make it sound slightly better live than the original live version which struggled to replicate the multi layered studio version.

As for when did we talk about estranged before, well about a million times. It seems to be a fan favourite on this board and is by far the most requested song for the new band to play.

They don't play it because Axl can't sing it. He's out of breath singing the first verse to jungle and that?s the first song they play. If they were to play Estranged he'd have to bring his oxygen tent on stage with him. As far as the band I think Fink would butcher the song he maybe one of the worst guitar players I ever heard. How some of you love this guy is beyond me. He's awful.

Axl seems to have distanced himself from the Illusion songs. Probably because of the complex nature of those songs and the inability of being able to teach the new band what exactly Slash was playing in those songs. Slash was all about playing with feeling and I think only Richard has some of that. You can't teach feeling and judging by the boots you can't imitate it either.

It was also their longest, wasn't it?

it was not their best, and no it was not there long, they've did better performances and it was an average time show. their longest was in Inglewood, CA on the fourth night.

How about the way he butchers the solo in SCOM, I am talking about toward the end, right before 'where do we go'. That is just torture to listen to.

there are just some songs that Finck shouldn't be allowed to **ahem cough ahem* put his touch on?!?1 :nervous:

Estranged is not all that difficult to sing, relative to some of the songs on the current setlist. I would argue that WTTJ is tougher, for example.

just so you know... heres a list of the times estranged has been played live

20/01/91
23/01/91
09/05/91
16/05/91
25/05/91


28/05/91
29/05/91
04/06/91
05/06/91
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11/06/91
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20/06/91
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19/07/91
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29/07/91
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02/08/91
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31/08/91
05/12/91
06/12/91
09/12/91
16/12/91
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28/12/91
31/12/91


04/01/92
21/01/92
22/01/92
27/01/92
28/01/92


01/02/92
19/02/92
06/04/92
50/05/92
28/05/92


18/07/92
22/07/92
03/10/92
12/01/93
06/03/93


18/06/93
19/06/93
25/06/93
26/06/93

i hate hearing that "the new band cant play the song" or "the song is too (insert old band member's name here) influenced." I remember reading an interview with axl (maybe 2001/2002) and he said when the band was in the studio they re-recored all the appetite songs. i think the setlist that they play now is just the songs that they practiced playing the most in the studio. but then again, nobody knows for sure except axl....