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is that we have heard 10 of the possible songs already and if the album comes out with 12-15 songs , we could maybe hear only 2 to 5 new songs.

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
Better
There Was A Time
Catcher in the Rye
IRS
Silk Worms
oh my god
Riyadh And The Bedouins


Not complaining just hoping that there are about 20 songs on the next disk


I know it will be cool because they will be studio versions and who knows he may not use half of these songs on the list above

I'll be honest I like the new band, but if these songs are only on CD, the only songs that excite me are TWAT, Blues and MADDY. The others in my opinion are average although TWAT is a masterpiece!

Fish

i know I guess I will be a little disappointed if this is the case, since I heard them already

Fair point, Im only interested in TWAT, IRS, and maybe The Blues. The rest I could happily live without.

Looking at that list of songs, is it really worth the wait?

i'll bet my life on it that Silk Worms oh my god and Riyadh And The Bedouins are not on the album so we'll have at least 6 new songs to listen to.

hope your right I hate those 3 anyway

Got to give ema a chance cause a) we heard the songs a while back (part from CHIN DEM) and b) they could have changed a lot!!!!

Fish

If Riyadh wasn't going to be on CD then why have it on a setlist, although they havn't played it lvie this tour it's still on a possible list to play. Why think about playing a song to the audience which won't be on the album.





No album is worth waiting this length of time, no matter who wrote it or which band it was, CD will never live up to the hype because it has the "over 10 years in the making" tag attached to it.

They're playing a bunch of songs that won't be on the album.

Example being? how do you know they won't be on the album which ever song your reffering to, which songs from the 2006 tour have they played that "won't be on the album"?

So then the next question is it worth the wait??

for me it is , how about u guys

 ?I agree with the 4th screen name listed here: ?Onefish, Twofish, Scaredfish, Bravefish! ?Gott a love Doc Seuss. ?;D
 ?There Was a Time is a masterpiece. ?One thing surprises me though, Better doesn't excite you? ?Pump that shit loud on your car stereo on a nice hot summer drive and follow it up with IRS and you can't go wrong! ? :yes:
 ?I'd be surprised if OMG :no: and Silkworms :crying: were on CD.

 ?PS ?I just saw Loco88 post, "is it worth the wait?" ?That's for you to decide...personally, I believe in this band. ?You may not. ?To each his own. ?:peace:?

PS2 Not to be a hater or anything, but, no, mrgnrdvd you don't have Rhiad. ?or maddy. ?or the blues. or for that matter any of the new songs off Chinese Democracy. ?(OMG is the only official song off that list, and yes, it may have been worked on since its 1st release) ?You've heard demos and live versions just like the rest of us. ?Flash back to the '80's and take a listen to the Appetite demos. ?Then do the same with the Illusions in the '90's. ?Listen to the demos and then the raw live performances and tell me you're hearing the greatest thing since sliced bread. ?Keep an open mind. ?

no I can't wait for the album,. i will just suck because there won't be a whole new cd of songs I haven't heard

It's been said in the past they have a whole bunch of songs, not sure an exact number but enough to fill up 3 albums. ?I'm sure Axl will split up the songs we've already heard. ?No Silkworms, Ryiahd, Oh My God, or CITR since they haven't played it yet. ?I'd expect I.R.S, Better, The Blues, CD, and Maddy though. ?So 5 songs out of 12-14. ?You'll still get 7-9 unheard songs. ?That's fine with me.

The album has been scrutinized, criticised and mocked beyond belief so it most likely will not be worth the wait. It will always be compared to the proper line up no matter what, so its going to fail on some levels at least. Especially if Silkworms etc are on it.

Whos to say that aside from the songs we've heard so far we wont just be treated to a bunch of Pittmann mangled electronic stinkers. No one knows! At least TWAT will be on it. Great song.

We can but wait and see.

Should be a laugh if nothing else.

TWAT gave me hope, Blues and Maddy that 1 sec on the boston promo sounded awesome (it is only one sec lol)

THe only thing that worries me, is how much axl keeps changing the songs, when will he be satisfied :??:?????


Fish

Oh no!  :o  Do you always follow the pack Locomotive88?  It's been scrutinized, criticized, and mocked???  Oh no!  You are tempting me to venture into the negative karma world...but I won't let you win.  I will be the stronger.  ;D

Real Guns fans don't give a fuck what other people think.  Now go run along with the cool kids Loco88.   :-*   

I guess we will see all the songs in some light otherwise they wouldnt play them the only ones im not sure about are RatB, Silk and OMG.

The others should be cool but i'd be happy with an album lol :)

Fish

yeah to be honest the only songs I really like are TWAT and Madagascar although after hearing IRS for million of times I?m starting to like it. In my opinion, if these are the songs to be in the album it?ll be:

1) a poor damn album that ppl will listen to and think it has nothing to do with GN?R

or

2) a damn great album with  new music, new style u kno that ppl will love and learn to like.

Well you seem to care what I think so are you not a 'Real Guns Fan'? Obviously not.

If I followed the pack I'd be like the rest of the Axl worshipping sheep. I have objective opinions my friend. Can you cope with that?

In my opinion, CD wont be worth the wait if it has songs like Rhiad and Silkworms on it. Nuff said.

Let's keep this civil guys!!! !

Agreed if the album is full of RatB's OMG's Silkworm style songs then to be honest it will be another CD in my pile!!

Fish

Good lord I hope not , It would be the greatest disappointment ever

I know but some people will not like it, it's not going to be a universal hit I'm sure of that, you wont get another AFD or anything because this has been thought of for a long time and GNR have changed. Let's hope that it has something for everyone, im sure it will!!

Fish

Silk Worms oh my god Riyadh And The Bedouins will not be on CD and hnow do we even fucking know if the leaks we heard were the final version, i would love to hear a studio version of maddy irs the blues and better and cd too.

I have to doubt that Silkworms and OMG will be on CD. ?I just don't think they will.
Plus, we've only heard demos and live bootlegs, I'm sure people will be blown away at hearing Maddy and The Blues Live along with TWAT, etc. ?

Many people who will be buying CD haven't heard any of the new tunes...just people who are big fans and/or have been to a concert. ?I'm sure many many people aren't aware that AXL has a tune called the Blues.

i heard another promo that got at least 5 sec of chinese democracy  :drool:

the songs that will def be on CD imo are

CD,Madagascar,The Blues, Better, Twat, Rhiad, and IRS and maybe CITR. I also have a funny feeling they are gonna throw their version of KOHD on there.

We have heard about 7 or 8 songs. Hopefully theres atleast 14 songs on the album. I would be happy with that. I wish they would stick to the original plan of like 15 songs and 10 extra tracks. That would have been cool

Prostitute, The General, and Thyme will more than likely also be on CD.

So hopefully theres a good 6+ songs we havnt heard yet. Also the album versions of the new songs will also give it a new feel too. So its not like we completely have heard this album.

I think IRS, CD, Rhiad, TWAT, Madagascar will all sound even better on the album. Even though the promos for Maddy and CD were a couple of seconds, they sounded great back in 02 on that commercial. Production wise

I think the album will be a killer record. Axl's ambitions are so high, this will be another GNR classic.  Impossible of course to do another AFD, rather like UYI, except that it will be one album instead of two with maybe a follow-up the next year.  I imagine something like hypnotize/mesmerize by SOAD, maybe a little longer between the albums.

If he chooses to include both The Blues and Maddy, I guess there will be more songs like IRS and not many more "slower songs".

Now you understand why the band isn't doing anymore new unreleased songs on the tour.  We've heard quite a few already.  I think it would suck if the album came out with ALL songs we've previously heard - either from a leak or live version.  So I think once the album's released, we'll probably get to hear about 6 or 7 songs we've never heard before.  Remember too that Axl did say that not everyone is going to like all the songs anyways.   

cybercurves

This "album" might not be worth the wait but I know I deserve to have to have it.

Axl should pick the 12-15 best songs and put them on CD reguardless if we have heard them or not.

That is how I feel. If CD doesn't do well commercially, I suspect we won't see anymore GNR records, so it is vital to do everything humanly possible to make it seem like this entire process was a worthwile proposition.

"Good" songs are not going to cut it, the songs need to be great. Out of the 8-10 new ones we have heard, maybe 1-2 have the potential to be talked about in the same breath as Guns greatest and most popular songs. That ratio needs to be much much higher for this project to be considered a success.

I talked to a friend two weeks ago I have not seen in a while and he joke so is Axls album coming out anytime soon. I said Yes he said this fall. My friend said, well the thing about his album is going to be unless its perfect most people are going to say its not that good since it took him so long to put it out. That is how a lot of people are going to view this album IMO, the songs could be great but its not going to be good enough because it has been so long since this band started working on it which is really unfair since an album should be judged on how good teh songs are not how long they have taken.

I had my brother listen to the new songs (irs, twat, citr and better) and he said these are what axl had been working on for all these years. He said IRS sounded llke the best song of the bunch.


I really think TWAT could be the next Nov Rain when its all finished. I think that song has some kick ass guitar melodies and solos and could be one of gnrs best.

What I dont understand is that axl says that the album is coming out this year, and he also says that it is still not finished.

How can he finish it this year when he is fully booked up for most of the year with live concerts, when he couldnt even wrap it up over the last 5 years when he was sitting around twiddling his cornrows?

He said the order and the songs are not finalized yet

Oh right.

What did he mean by this then?


"We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album. Among Rose's favorites are "Better," "There Was a Time" and "The Blues."

Rolling Stone

can't wait

The multi song thing doesnt surprise me, GnR was performing a lot more than 12 songs back before Appetite was released, so Axl having a lot of songs being worked on and performing songs that wont be on the cd does not surprise me.  I am worried though  that by the time the cd drops all the songs will have been heard and many people will have had time to find them all online and not many people will go buy the album.  I mean truthfully, 90% of the people I know do not buy albums anymore and if they do it is from their #1 favorite band.  If Axl keeps leaking songs on the internet most people will have them and so even if there is a new hit, the album will still underperform.  Regardless of how good the album is it will still sell less than if GNR had released new material in 1995 because too many people dl music now.  Record companies expect that now, but since 13 mil has already been poured into this album over the years (starting before the napster boom) there really is no hope for the cd to break even.  The best hope is that it comes close and a 2nd cd with much less cost winds up making a large profit and that the tours bring in a lot of money.

Axl has said that they have over 70 songs...there is a good chance that we will get some new songs.  I would like a studio version of the current KOHD, although I doubt that will happen ;)

Like stated before, Axl said he has over 30 some songs (number may be wrong) to choose from to put onto CD and the CD's after that. I'm sure Axl, being the perfectionist he is, will have the best tracks on the album, because we've had to wait this long, so Axl just wants the best songs to be on it.

Hopefully he doesn't make any mistakes by putting a Silkworm type of song on there!

How can you already say that it is worth it?  You have not heard the damn thing yet.  For all you know he could be whistling The Trooper over sound loops of Tommy playing spoons.

I mean, come on, bear in mind that in the same time frame that Axl has taken to not release Chinese Democracy, The Beatles had released all of their albums (one a double) plus singles EPs etc. and were well into their solo careers. 

Sgt. Pepper was a masterpiece, and that took 5 damn months, why does Axl Rose need eleven years?

But now take the 5 months that took to make "Sgt. Pepper's" and round it up to six, now that's a half a year. Now we'll take the eleven years and divide it with the 0,5 years and what do we get? 22 that's right CD will be 22 times the masterpiece that "Sgt. Pepper's" was, but bear in mind that CD is not out yet it may turn out to be even better than that. It's all just simple mathematics that we need to prove that CD will be worth the wait.

of these songs, the blues, madagascar, better, there was a time, catcher in the rye, and IRS will probably be the ones on the album, and possibly, chinese democracy.  oh my god is 7 years old and was made for a soundtrack, and silkworms was just something put together by dizzy and pittman, and riyhad is just a song they play live, but i wouldnt doubt seeing it on the next album.  thats 6 songs that are most likely gonna be on the album, possibly 7, so we really have only heard half of the album, some of which are only demos.  i am looking foward to seeing the finished version of TWAT more than anything.  from what ive heard, there is "something special" at the end of the finished version, and there is an orchestra.  its gonna be a song of epic proportions.

I think Axl is on to something... Play songs of your upcoming album live for a few years.. Then when you get all the feedback about the songs that totally suck ass like Rhiad and Silkworms, just leave them off the album...  Eventually you will have a classic album .   ::)

Rocksteady - if it was that simple then Smile! would have been worth buying :beer:

I'm still of the opinion we have not heard the majority of the tracks that will be on the first album, and the many of the ones people think will be on the record won't be.