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Title: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 29, 2006, 08:46:21 PM Yes, I know this is a silly thread, but considering other topics I've recently seen, I think this is fair game.
For reasons I still don't quite understand, I dug out Slaughter's "Stick it To Ya" album today. I was listening to "Thinking of June," and thought, "Damn -for a second, that really sounds like 'Don't Cry.'" I checked the album date, and it was released in 1990, pre-UYI. Even stranger, G'nR is one of the few bands thanked in the liner notes. Now, I'm certainly not saying that GnR "borrowed" from Slaughter, of all things, just curiuos if anyone else has ever noticed the similarities between the main riff of "Don't Cry" and the bits found in "June." Probably not, though. :beer: Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Gnr_man202 on June 29, 2006, 08:48:24 PM Don't Cry was written in 1985/6, wasn't it?
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: russtcb on June 29, 2006, 08:51:01 PM Yes, I know this is a silly thread, but considering other topics I've recently seen, I think this is fair game. For reasons I still don't quite understand, I dug out Slaughter's "Stick it To Ya" album today. I was listening to "Thinking of June," and thought, "Damn -for a second, that really sounds like 'Don't Cry.'" I checked the album date, and it was released in 1990, pre-UYI. Even stranger, G'nR is one of the few bands thanked in the liner notes. Now, I'm certainly not saying that GnR "borrowed" from Slaughter, of all things, just curiuos if anyone else has ever noticed the similarities between the main riff of "Don't Cry" and the bits found in "June." Probably not, though. :beer: I've never compared the two, but if anyone did the copying I would guess it was Slaughter. I have a DVD bootleg of GNR at a club in '86 doing Don't Cry. It's almost identical (down to Slash's solo) to the one that ended up on UYI. I know the song is at least that old. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 29, 2006, 08:54:48 PM Yes, I know this is a silly thread, but considering other topics I've recently seen, I think this is fair game.? ? For reasons I still don't quite understand, I dug out Slaughter's "Stick it To Ya" album today.? I was listening to "Thinking of June," and thought, "Damn -for a second, that really sounds like 'Don't Cry.'"? I checked the album date, and it was released in 1990, pre-UYI.? Even stranger, G'nR is one of the few bands thanked in the liner notes. Now, I'm certainly not saying that GnR "borrowed" from Slaughter, of all things, just curiuos if anyone else has ever noticed the similarities between the main riff of "Don't Cry" and the bits found in "June."? Probably not, though.? ? :beer: I've never compared the two, but if anyone did the copying I would guess it was Slaughter. I have a DVD bootleg of GNR at a club in '86 doing Don't Cry. It's almost identical (down to Slash's solo) to the one that ended up on UYI. I know the song is at least that old. That certainly makes sense. Like I said, I'm in no way suggesting that GnR were paying homage to Slaughter (and the reverse if far more likely), but the brief similarities still jumped out at me... Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: russtcb on June 29, 2006, 08:57:14 PM Yes, I know this is a silly thread, but considering other topics I've recently seen, I think this is fair game. For reasons I still don't quite understand, I dug out Slaughter's "Stick it To Ya" album today. I was listening to "Thinking of June," and thought, "Damn -for a second, that really sounds like 'Don't Cry.'" I checked the album date, and it was released in 1990, pre-UYI. Even stranger, G'nR is one of the few bands thanked in the liner notes. Now, I'm certainly not saying that GnR "borrowed" from Slaughter, of all things, just curiuos if anyone else has ever noticed the similarities between the main riff of "Don't Cry" and the bits found in "June." Probably not, though. :beer: I've never compared the two, but if anyone did the copying I would guess it was Slaughter. I have a DVD bootleg of GNR at a club in '86 doing Don't Cry. It's almost identical (down to Slash's solo) to the one that ended up on UYI. I know the song is at least that old. That certainly makes sense. Like I said, I'm in no way suggesting that GnR were paying homage to Slaughter (and the reverse if far more likely), but the brief similarities still jumped out at me... Yeah, I didn't take it to mean anything negative. People always make claims about exactly how old some GNR songs are so I just wanted to throw in the oldest date I know of with respect to Don't Cry. I don't own any Slaughter but you've got my curiosity up enough to at least seek out a copy of Stick It To Ya to compare. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 29, 2006, 09:01:11 PM Yes, I know this is a silly thread, but considering other topics I've recently seen, I think this is fair game.? ? For reasons I still don't quite understand, I dug out Slaughter's "Stick it To Ya" album today.? I was listening to "Thinking of June," and thought, "Damn -for a second, that really sounds like 'Don't Cry.'"? I checked the album date, and it was released in 1990, pre-UYI.? Even stranger, G'nR is one of the few bands thanked in the liner notes. Now, I'm certainly not saying that GnR "borrowed" from Slaughter, of all things, just curiuos if anyone else has ever noticed the similarities between the main riff of "Don't Cry" and the bits found in "June."? Probably not, though.? ? :beer: I've never compared the two, but if anyone did the copying I would guess it was Slaughter. I have a DVD bootleg of GNR at a club in '86 doing Don't Cry. It's almost identical (down to Slash's solo) to the one that ended up on UYI. I know the song is at least that old. That certainly makes sense.? Like I said, I'm in no way suggesting that GnR were paying homage to Slaughter (and the reverse if far more likely), but the brief similarities still jumped out at me... Yeah, I didn't take it to mean anything negative. People always make claims about exactly how old some GNR songs are so I just wanted to throw in the oldest date I know of with respect to Don't Cry. I don't own any Slaughter but you've got my curiosity up enough to at least seek out a copy of Stick It To Ya to compare. I don't know that I want to be responsible for anyone buying a Slaughter album. If you have AIM, PM me and I'll send you the MP3. Only a minute long, and all instrumental. The similarities are quite brief, but noticable, at least to me. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on June 29, 2006, 09:27:06 PM Don't Cry was first recorded in 1986. And it didnt change that much in 1991. So looks like Slaughter "borrowed" from Guns.
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: gnrkid03 on June 29, 2006, 09:34:28 PM ^^ Yes, pre Appetite song
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: J-Studham on June 29, 2006, 09:40:45 PM ;) pre appetite I've got a track of it from some time in the 80's
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: russtcb on June 29, 2006, 09:58:34 PM Quote I don't know that I want to be responsible for anyone buying a Slaughter album. If you have AIM, PM me and I'll send you the MP3. Only a minute long, and all instrumental. The similarities are quite brief, but noticable, at least to me.Quote haha....at least the two of us seem to have understood that you weren't trying to insinuate that Slaughter ripped off GNR (see rest of thread). I'll probably track it down on Lime or something. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: draguns on June 29, 2006, 11:31:53 PM Don't Cry was the 1st song that Axl and Izzy wrote back in 85. I forgot who broke up with who, but the woman said Don't you cry tonight there's a heaven above you. That's where the line came from. I read this in 91.
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: johnnythunders24 on June 29, 2006, 11:43:40 PM Slaughter thanks GN'R in the liner notes to Stick It To Ya....as an influence along with a bunch of other bands, so it's likely gn'r influenced that song maybe.
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: hbkthepromking on June 30, 2006, 02:15:18 AM 'Don't Ever Leave Me' by Hanoi Rocks..... the live version from A Night at the Marquee - sounds the most like Don't Cry. Take a listen.
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: WaurioRocks on June 30, 2006, 02:43:21 AM Hanoi Rocks - Cheyenne
That's the song... " don't wanna hurt you, I don't wanna see you cry, I don't wanna hurt you once more, I don't wanna leave now I don't want no sight for sore eyes, Gone sore of all the tears that we cryed" Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\\\'t Cry? Post by: estranged2006 on June 30, 2006, 04:25:49 AM I like Slaughter.. \"Fly to the angels\" and all the other good songs they wrote. Mark Slaughter and Axl are both very good front men and have alot of the same singer style!? I would love to see a duet with Axl and Mark Slaughter and Sebastian.?
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\\\'t Cry? Post by: mikegiuliana on June 30, 2006, 04:28:19 AM I like Slaughter.. \"Fly to the angels\" and all the other good songs they wrote. Mark Slaughter and Axl are both very good front men and have alot of the same singer style!? I would love to see a duet with Axl and Mark Slaughter and Sebastian.? that's a cool song, I also like "days gone by" They were good while they lasted,.. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: blueheart on June 30, 2006, 05:18:03 AM Don't Cry was the 1st song that Axl and Izzy wrote back in 85. I forgot who broke up with who, but the woman said Don't you cry tonight there's a heaven above you. That's where the line came from. I read this in 91. Izzy did... watch making of don t cry... this was one of the first songs AXL and Izzy wrote... I have a live version from 1986 Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: J-Studham on June 30, 2006, 05:41:17 AM Don't Cry was the 1st song that Axl and Izzy wrote back in 85. I forgot who broke up with who, but the woman said Don't you cry tonight there's a heaven above you. That's where the line came from. I read this in 91. Izzy did... watch making of don t cry... this was one of the first songs AXL and Izzy wrote... I have a live version from 1986 Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: jonnybgoode82 on June 30, 2006, 06:15:38 AM Waurio is bang on - the part of Cheyenne by Hanoi Rocks before the song really kicks in is obviously where GNR got the influence for Don't Cry.
Then Slaughter got their ideas for Thinking of June probably from a boot of GNR. Anyone whose got the Making of Don't Cry will know that Blind Melon were covering Don't Cry before the UYI albums came out because they had heard the song on a GNR demo/bootleg tape (the same thing prob happened with Slaughter) and many people back in Indiana thought that Don't Cry was a Blind Melon song. ??? If anything this thread has made me stretch to dig out my old Slaughter vinyls and give Hanoi Rocks' All Those Wasted Years a spin but nothing by Blind Melon - oh no, nothing by them. :hihi: Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 30, 2006, 06:38:09 AM Quote I don't know that I want to be responsible for anyone buying a Slaughter album.? If you have AIM, PM me and I'll send you the MP3.? Only a minute long, and all instrumental.? The similarities are quite brief, but noticable, at least to me.Quote haha....at least the two of us seem to have understood that you weren't trying to insinuate that Slaughter ripped off GNR (see rest of thread). I'll probably track it down on Lime or something. Right. I really wasn't. Even more, I'm not sure if anyone is actually comparing the two songs at this point, or if anyone even agrees with me. In the meantime, let the discussion continue! I will check out the Hanoi Rocks songs suggested by other posters, though... Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\\\'t Cry? Post by: Amish on June 30, 2006, 06:52:39 AM I would love to see a duet with Axl and Mark Slaughter and Sebastian. Funny : ok: Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\\\'t Cry? Post by: russtcb on June 30, 2006, 06:58:54 AM I would love to see a duet with Axl and Mark Slaughter and Sebastian. Funny : ok: I'll take "Things The Will Never Happen" for 400 please. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\\\\\\\'t Cry? Post by: estranged2006 on June 30, 2006, 07:15:24 AM ? I would love to see a duet with Axl and Mark Slaughter and Sebastian.? Funny? : ok: I\'ll take \"Things The Will Never Happen\" for 400 please. yeah but we could all dream huh? it would be cool Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don\'t Cry? Post by: estranged2006 on June 30, 2006, 07:37:56 AM Can you imagine how cool would that be if Mark Slaughter would join the band for a song or two! even better with Sebastian Bach too. I think the crowds would go crazy to see those 3 singer together on the stage at one time! i know im just dreaming but anyone know if axl is friends with mark slaughter?
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: jonnybgoode82 on June 30, 2006, 07:47:48 AM No one is friends with Mark Slaughter! ;D
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Bravefish on June 30, 2006, 07:51:42 AM Don't Cry was the first song GNR ever wrote together as a band!
fish Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: makane on June 30, 2006, 08:20:03 AM Well heres the 86' version (incredible Slash solo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omUxyoR1Wvo&search=dont%20cry%201986 Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Origen on June 30, 2006, 08:46:04 AM Don't Cry was written in 1985/6, wasn't it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ha ha ha ha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: thats true shit :hihi: What's so funny about that ??? Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 30, 2006, 12:40:37 PM Not to sound rude or anything, but I started this thread mainly to see if anyone else noticed a similarity between "Don't Cry" and the Slaughter song. Almost 20 posts later, and not a single "yeah, I hear it" or "sorry...you're crazy." I never said that Slaughter stole from GnR or vice-versa, I was just curious if anyone agreed with me or not.
I don't mind reading about Mark Slaughter singing w/ Axl or the origins of "Don't Cry" and when/where/how it was written, but at some point, if anyone hears the songs, chime in, okay? :peace: Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Bravefish on June 30, 2006, 12:47:11 PM Don't Cry was written in 1985/6, wasn't it? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ha ha ha ha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: thats true shit :hihi: What's so funny about that? ??? agreed why the laff?? fish Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: russtcb on June 30, 2006, 12:53:08 PM Not to sound rude or anything, but I started this thread mainly to see if anyone else noticed a similarity between "Don't Cry" and the Slaughter song.? Almost 20 posts later, and not a single "yeah, I hear it" or "sorry...you're crazy."? I never said that Slaughter stole from GnR or vice-versa, I was just curious if anyone agreed with me or not. I don't mind reading about Mark Slaughter singing w/ Axl or the origins of "Don't Cry" and when/where/how it was written, but at some point, if anyone hears the songs, chime in, okay?? ?:peace: Well, I'm moving this weekend but when we get settled I'm still going to track the song down and take a listen. Hopefully I'llbe able to give you some sort of feedback then. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Crashdiet on June 30, 2006, 01:26:44 PM Sorry dude I don't hear the similarities at all. THinking of june has almost a classical type feel to it, whereas don't cry is completely a power ballad rock tune.
THere is no hommage to gnr in the song. I highly doubt Tim Kelly (rest his soul) had any thoughts of paying tribute to gnr in a song he wrote in memory of his dead sister. Anyway. That don't cry clip from 86 was fucking magical. God axl's voice was amazing back then. Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Lord Kayoss on June 30, 2006, 01:53:53 PM God axl's voice was amazing back then. It hasn't changed! :rofl: Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: jonnybgoode82 on June 30, 2006, 02:19:30 PM Baz, just had a listen and I'm sorry to say I don't hear the similarities either. If anything Thinking of June reminds me of Randy Rhoads' 'Dee'.
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 30, 2006, 03:17:06 PM Okay, then. It's just me. :beer:
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Wooody on June 30, 2006, 04:58:12 PM nah, I do hear it, especially from min 0:23 to 0:30
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: bazgnr on June 30, 2006, 06:30:19 PM nah, I do hear it, especially from min 0:23 to 0:30 Thanks...I feel a bit better now - definitely in the first 30 seconds only, what sounds like similar notes and a progression that's not all that different. Very fleeting, but still not that far off (again, to me at least). Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: big_machine on July 03, 2006, 03:24:07 PM yes the begining of the slaughter`s one is pretty similar...but i think is just considence......just that...but the hanio rock is completly diferent song......by the way the song "don`t ever leave" sucks.....pure shit.....sorry but that`s my opinon... :love:
Title: Re: GnR + Slaughter = Don't Cry? Post by: Saul on July 03, 2006, 08:38:48 PM just wanna mention that I wrote dont cry. : ok:
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