Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok, i understand I got this first -1 karma point for postings links to the leaks when i first joined here.

i didnt know that wasnt allowed but i understand that i should have that point...

BUT, why did i just get another negative point?

As far as I know, i've followed every rule and I know I've never said anything bad about anyone so can someone please explain this to me?

Thanks.  :-\

Please, someone let me know what/if i did something wrong. PM me atleast?

I gave you the neg. Karma point. Your blinking UYI avatar made Axl go bananas and bite someone.

You're not a mod, are you?

And, if i did indeed get it for that, someone could have told me becuase I didn't know that I wasn't suposed to have this av.

But serioulsy... is that why i got it?

I don't know why you got it, but bumping your own thread probably doesn't help your case.  : ok:

You're not from around here, are you?

No one has explained the second - point given, so I'll take it off.. Could've been an accident. Dunno.

Skeba-- Thank you man  :yes:

And maybe you could remove my neg point as I have been a good boy. I am a former president you know!

Yeah, they don't really get removed.

The point is they let us keep track of what's going on.

But I really don't like it, it's a stain. I went overboard with the Bush-bashing and I'm sorry. Can you please remove it. I promise it wont happen again. You can ban me right away if I break the rules. I really am sorry.

A stain  :hihi:

You gave the Fish back a point, are you going to give back Richard's 'cause it stains him?  :)

If you are, give me back my point. Or give me back a +0.2 or something.

Can I just have a cookie instead of a point?

Having that -1 under your name is like wearing the scarlet letter.  Evil sinners!  :hihi:

I think there must be a topic in this section in which mods and admins notify the motivation of the karma points.

or, at least, notify it via pm.

the users receiving (negative or positive) karma points have the right to know why!

i do think this whole bad karma system has beenly poorly organised. shame on you jarmo. notification would at least get rid of the mounds of "wh? have i got negative karma?" topics cropping up

can I buy a point!

Each time I've given a minuspoint, I've told the person in question. Either by a pm, or then at the thread in question.

We don't just hand them out just because.

so your saying that points are not for sale? what about a vowel?

I have been giving warnings in the threads about negative karma.  Sometimes to specific members, but more often it has been a general comment.  For example:  "No insulting other members.  Continue and you'll get a negative karma point.  If the behavior continues, I then give a negative karma point to the deserving person and mention it in the thread.  I've not sent a pm because I didn't think it was necessary.  Anyway, if others in the thread see that negative points are being given out, it might act as a deterrant.  You know, setting an example.  We second grade teachers like setting examples.   :hihi:

I'm not saying this, I really appreciate the work of Jarmo and the entire staff.

I was only hinting.

If people don't know when they're breaking the rules, really it's their own problem.

That, we can do.

Wouldn't it be the smartest thing to tell everyone why they got it? I think it comes back as your problem if the person continues to make the same mistake unknowingly? Or when someone just happens to get a minus without a reason and keeps thinking why he/she got it? (ie. EFISH)

I'd love to buy a vowel Mr. Sajak.

I really have no view on this system at all(apart from being a good gimp and having a nice zero under my name :D) but surely, surely, if you break the rules, you will be given bad karma.

Now then, im sure there is a rules section somewhere...

...So, just to elaborate, Read the rules, Understand them, Do not break them = No negative Karma?

Or is that just too simple, maybe ive got it competely wrong.  :-[

Exactly, i mean now of the wrestling cru have negative karma, well i say none, i mean except for 'Jim' but i'm pretty sure he gave it to himself so that doesn't count.... :yes:

I didn't. Scouts promise.

hey nobody even told me why i got bad karma it was just there one day.

I bet you broke the rules.  : ok:

*cough*

does that make me king gimp then :hihi:

nah, cuz' u just hacked into jarmo's account and gave yourself that karma point.? :confused:

yea but i would like to know what rule i broke

Ok, curiousity killed the cat or so they say... I went searching for you and found why you've got the negative 1.  Aren't I just the nicest?   ;D  Anyway, it's against the rules to insult others.  Your reply in that topic wasn't very nice.   :no:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=32189.msg632170#msg632170

And having a "FUCK SLASH!" under your avatar isn't nice either. :no:

im not hurting anyone or saying fuck off to anyone im just saying something aboot slash. you want me to lie and say i love slash.

You can hate Slash all you want.. but it's just plain stupid to have a FUCK SLASH on your avatar thing at a GNR message board. Just trying to get attention. I mean, do what you want.. but my advice would be to take it off.. there's no reason for it.

Either way you can't have fuck slash as yoru avatar. And from your post history I'm very surprised your not on -10 karma the way you have insulted some of the founding members of the band.

From Canada are you?

I'm proud to have neg. Karma. It means I'm bad-ass. Only pussies have no bad karma. If Axl were a member, he'd have like -9 Karma.

Axl would be banned in like his second post. 

hahaha, ain't that the truth! ;D

Yeah, bad to the bone!? :D


 ???

I guess he gave up and is trying to make the best of his bad-ass situation  :hihi:

NO, he's just flip flopping like a true politician

Is that your official position?  :rofl:

I guess I got one!! woo hoo.. no word on why! Just defending myself from a certain french character calling me a fat american..

welcome to the club Brody! :peace:

Too many freedom fries I'm afraid..................

Yes.. just a bit.. I guess im not as displeased with my govt enough.

I always thought the points are like hot or not points.

hmm Still no official explanation?

Its a number under your name that indicates you broke the rules. Big deal. Read the rules again, find out where you went wrong and dont do it again...that way you are also refreshing your memory as to what you can or cant do.

Am i right? Does it really mean that much to you in the great scheme of things that you have "Negative Karma" on a GNR message board?

Its a tool to help the moderators. The site will inevitably grow and grow. It helps them keep track of who is doing what at any given point in time. Just take a step back and think about what these guys do here. Do they get paid? No! (unless jarmo has started paying them again) Anything that makes the moderators jobs easier, i am all for. Hell they get paid fuck all and as far as im concerned, they are doing the vast majority of us a favour by taking time out of their lives to moderate on a massive and still growing message board.

Should they really have to explain, every single decision they make? I know i dont on a day to day basis.

Skeba's post has it nailed on. Read it...dunno whether its in this thread or another Karma thread (jees who moderates this section  ;) )

Que: -

Arron is a brown - nose

Go on, i dare you.....

i want one too...life's not fair....how can i get one?  :drool: :hihi:

I wasn't the one who gave you the -1 so I can't say.

I trust the moderators' judgement on these things.

So, relax, you won't get banned for one warning in this case.




/jarmo

I see where you got it on this page:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=33149.msg657505#msg657505

but considering Wat-Ever's post was much worse than yours and he didnt get dinged seems odd.

Thats why Im Questioning it? trust me I really do not care..

Ha, this thread is like for the rough side of town.  I picture you all dance-knife fighting to Beat It by Michael Jackson.  That -1 is like having a scarlet A on your chest.  Sinners.  :beer:

i real dont understand why i got -1 point for quoting something off topic that a guy related to in an above post!!!!!

ok so it was off topic, but there was no need for negative karma, its like being in school again, you cant speak, unless its about the lesson


PATHETIC adZ sorry but there realy was no need :no:

not to be a little bitch but.. What mod gave it to me? and why? I was simply responding to alot harsher insult.. Im pretty sure I know which mod..

PM him and ask. He prolly hasn't even checked this thread.

If you're pretty sure, then why do you keep on asking?

Cause Im not about to accuse some1 with knowing for sure.. make sense?

Why should you accuse someone? You got one negative karma... Big deal... It's not like you're close to getting banned...

I dunno, I don't trust people when I see that -1 by their name. Then again, I've never trusted Brody. :hihi:
I think both sides (mods and those with neg karma) are wrong in this thread. Which is odd, because you have opposite sides on the issue, and somehow ur both wrong. ??? :hihi:

Oh look, now by your logic what you've just said is wrong as well!

Oh how paradoxical.

Yea, now I am in the club!! I would like a direct explanation in here or by pm though, not to say that i feel it was entirely unjust.

Your explanation? That it was a bit of a giggle.

... Like Brownstone's. I just never got around to removing his................

Consider yourself temporarily expelled from the club.

The club was too dark and scary, anyways. But if I do go back into the club, it won't be as special now. You can't lose your virginity twice. :hihi:

OK.. Sorry well this is why I got Karma?? Some fuck was spewing anti american BS.. So I replied.. http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=33149.msg657505#msg657505

And when you replied (in the way that you did) you broke the rules........

********

Think about it this way.........you and I now have something in common.

I think we should start a section where only people with negative 1 karma can post.................... ;D

I sympathize. It's a bit odd that 'WHATEVER,etc.' didn't get a negative karma point too... He definitely deserved it.

I was going to honor Jarmo with the medal of freedom, invite him down to Washington and everything. But since one of his minions gave me a negative point, the deal is off. Haven't been so disappointed since I sent Kissinger to the Paris peace talks back in the day.

Well I thought we had the negative karma thread? to see exactly who and why we got it.. seems odd..

Can I be the guest of honor instead?

No :rant:

oh man i'm one of the bad boys now :(

You should be proud! Only nerds/geeks/dorks have ZERO bad Karma. Getting a neg karma point is like getting caught smoking in the bathroom when you were in High School.  :smoking:

Honestly i think this whole "karma" thing is stupid.? I mean, come on, we're talking about the band with an attitude here - Guns N' Roses!? It kinda stops people from saying what they want.? I feel like i can't even curse anymore because i might accidently curse at someone.? CENSORSHIP.? In the real world, does God come down from the heavens and say "YOU LOSE KARMA POINTS" when you curse/offend at someone?? Its fucking stupid, people should be used to that in real life.? I'm sure that the whole system is here because of people that spam in threads and need to get banned, but taking it to saying "you're fucking dumb/shut the fuck up, thats a stupid opinion" is getting out of hand.? When i argue my opinion i can't be expected to say "Well, okay, kind sir, i don't agree with your opinion, but i'm going to respect it anyway" as i feel EXTREMELY strongly about some things so i can't just respect other's opinions.

Give me negatvie karma points for this i dont give a fuck anymore.

aww....

Oh shut up.  You're a mod so you can say what you want.

That's not it. We've explained about a thousand times why we have the system, we've explained what to do if you don't agree with it (get the fuck out). Every few weeks it seems there's a post just like yours and I, and I can't speak for all the other mods but I'd assume they feel the same way, don't feel like answering to every each one of them separately.

Yeah! You tell 'im. I even went to the trouble of making a story up. I have no idea where it is though.

But it's a Guns N' Roses board baby!!!!!!!!!!, so we should encourage anarchy. You know, like... Fuck you, sort of thing, that stuff that's really great to read. Sticks right between your eyes.

Haha. It's guns n' roses. One of the major policies of this board is that it's so readable. Hence we have so many lurkers, registered or not.

Go figure.

I'm not saying we should encourage anarchy and that we should encourage not having any rules, i'm just saying that going as far as not being aloud to insult people is kind of annoying and stupid.  I just think everyone should be aloud to say what they want.  I mean, if people repeatedly do it over and over again, it should be stopped.  But most people, like me, only do it when they think another's opinion is stupid, which is not very often.

If in a debate you have to insult the other person, you've kind of lost. :no:

Exactly.

On a side note, ever since this karma thing was added, people have created so many threads about it. You think people would know what bad karma is by now.

I didn't say anything about a debate...example: some guy in the GNR section made a thread saying "i wish you assholes would stop singing while im trying to enjoy the show" so i said "you dick," and then said something like "everyone just wants to enjoy the concert" like that, and that's why i got karma.

But you don't have to say " u dick." Saying "everyone just wants to enjoy the concert." is enough.

hey man.. its just a lost karma point. and the mods rock!

Karma points are gay. I could be banned tommorow and wouldn't give a ratt's ass. I was forced to leave something else once, far more important than a Guns N' Roses board.

I wear my negative Karma with pride.............

The White House?

Yes sir.

i just got another one im on -2 now.what the f@#k was that one for, the last one was for no reason, i looked in the important threads of the adminastrative and no mod has put down why, can i have an explanation please

how many till i get banned???

i havnt offended anyone or argued with anyone on this bored so why the negative

possibly the retard comment even though it was said in jest

isnt that what smileys are for to show you were joking etc??some mods are real strict, come on mods it was a joke anythinggoes knew it, hence the? :rofl: << dude, i put him there to show i was joking!!!

oh and hey anythinggoes how do you get positives??

Bribe a mod.

with you're picture's

<<<<

 :rofl:

ah dude dont go there it was so humiliating ?:confused: :nervous: :crying: :crying: :no: :-X

well i gotta gte rid of two by the looks of it

i had havin negatives!!!

one of yours posts was just smiley's so that can be a reason for one of the negatives ::) ::)

Exactly, that's the whole point of the karma system. You don't get banned for one karma point. You have to get quite a few points to get banned. Therefore it's there to keep track of the people who do it repeatedly over and over again. If you only do it once you will only get one karma point and therefore won't get banned. The size of the board means a karma system is necessary to keep track of the people who are repeatedly offending.

but still it should be written down in the important section why i got it, i have only seen two with my name in :no:

just noticed i have a -1  :hihi:

why ? i checked the "Karma thread - check here why you got minus points" but i'm not there.

maybe because i said recently that Libertad's artwork is shit ?
or just because i said SkynyrdGirl is cute ?

who knows  :hihi:

havnt been around for a while and jus noticed im down to -3.   why the last negative karma  : ok:

I think you've been on -3 for some time now.

I realise my asking for positive karma will no doubt result in me being given a negative karma by some incredibly funny moderator, but god damn it I want a +1 karma point. Although my post count may not be as high as most of the members I have still been a valuable member of this community, heres why...

1. I provide news updates direct from Izzy
2. I have never been drawn into arguments with other members, nor started an argument
3. I think Velvet Revolver suck balls
4. I thnk Tommys Village Gorilla Head rocks
5. I've met Jarmo and a couple of other mods in person
6. I throw in the occassional witty joke here and there
7. I do not charge any fee for my irreplacable presence in this forum

Infact, I think I deserve at least two karma points, if not more.

 ;D

Lol, you ass kisser,  :rofl:

Haha my head is so far up my own ass right now I wouldn't even be able to see the karma point  ;D

( ^ Note to mods: Another of my great values. I don't take things too seriously and will even mock myself from time to time ^ )

 :rofl:

You're a trooper, one of a kind.

yep he is a real super trooper.

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w273/timothywilcox/supertroop3.jpg)

You got it,

for 24 hours.

can i get -24 for 1 hour? :hihi:

 :rofl:

Haha amazing! I feel so superior  ;D

maybe because you posted a link to a leak and got banned?

See, thats why I should have +1 Karma. My amazing ability to recall factual information, ask worthy questions, and treat other forums members with respect.

Heres an example, Jim says this:


I say:  Wow Jim that was so nice of you, you're one of the nicest mods I know....wanna hook a brotha up with a +1 karma point?

----------

Of course the above example is the nicest thing i can say. It gives Jim the option to give me an extra + karma point, should he feel like doing so, and I feel better for telling the truth, since Jim is a great mod.  : ok:

Now I could continue with an essay and subsequent list of why i should get a +1 karma point, but I won't, because that would simply over-complicate the situation.

Why do you even care?
The whole karma thing is  a joke. Actually, the more, the better. It  means you act within the true spirit  of GNR which is to defy authority and the establishment,  which is what this site has become. So rejoice in your coolness and let  the rest go. Trust me, when you go  for a job interview, they will not ask how many negative  karma  points you have on this  site.

Remember, the mod can giveth and the mod can also taketh away........

when and why did i get a -1? i have barely posted here lately

You missed the whole point of my post ~ it was a joke. Six pages of people bitching about there negative karma points ~ I just wanted to throw a spanner in the works and annoy a few more people by showing how easy it was for me to gain a positive karma point  :hihi:

By your post I'm guessing you do take karma seriously to be honest ~ you sound pretty pissed lol. Is that because I am +1 and you -1?

Oh and by the way I'm self employed. I don't need to impress employers with the amount of karma points I have ~ thank you for the suggestion though... I might now start asking my potential employees how many karma points they have on a forum. I allows me to judge there test of character  :P

May I have one for 24 hours? Just so people would wonder why, I of all people got one.

maybe I could get one while your at it Jim?

I almost lost one this afternoon!! Go figure!  :beer:

Well, that was more like 48 hours, but I hope you enjoyed it.

Hey what can I say, I'm a Rebel!? : ok: :rofl:

Maybe not.

How about you Christos? Will you give me one?  :hihi: just kidding of course.

With Christos Money Talks so it depends how much you think the Karma is worth i wont tell you how much i have to send to him every month just so i dont loose mine

how about a presidential amnesty?

This board is not hosted in France, Bessam. ;D

Lol I did indeed. Many thanks  :rofl:

Anyway, I better get back to my unrewarding but always useful messaging. One day I will be rewarded  :hihi:

Lol, I've got a negative karma for calling someone 'pathetic', yet the same guy who called me an 'asshole' didn't get anything. Guess there are no double standards, are there?  : ok:

Sure there are.

You're ridiculing everybody on a GN'R board who actually support the band.

He singled you out. A Slash fan who likes to ridicule everybody who likes GN'R on a GN'R board.

I believe it's called a home field advantage in sports.  : ok:



/jarmo

He was attacking VR in the VR section all the time for no reason. He was trolling there... well, not as much as you do, but it was still annoying. I didn't say anything bad about GN'R. I didn't say anything about GN'R there actually. I didn't say anything about Axl... I don't think that GN'R fans are Axlites or pathetic, since I'm a GN'R fan. There are only a few Axlites on the world: these guys think that Axl did everything in GN'R and these deaf people hate Slash & Co with passion. You know, it's called cognitive dissonance: they know that they aren't righ, but they want to still believe that... so they hate those people and think who are proof against their liking. So in your mind everyone who is knot an Axlite is an asshole. Alright.? ?: ok:

BTW it's called you being biased and stalinist? ;)? I hope you get paid for doing this otherwise... well, it's your life, your problems? :peace:

Nice to see the rules enforced without favoritism ::) ::).

id like my 0 karma back again... man, i forgot what its like. it makes the whole world of difference.

getting a negative karma is like having bad sex and then finding out afterwards you got a disease.? :crying:

the doc's cant seem to help me though, hope it isnt HIV? :nervous:

Let's say you've earned that negative point over time you communist.  :peace:




Haha!

Well looking at your -3, I'm sure you're the right person to comment on our rules.


If you really think this place is about making GN'R look bad in order to make your favorite band look better, you're definitely in the wrong place.

That's exactly what some of these "GN'R fans" are doing.

If somebody dares to say that they don't like the new VR single, they'll bring up GN'R......




/jarmo

what rules? oh you mean that mess of a thing you call rules that gets enforced half ass.


If the rules were enforced they way they should be that would be one thing . but this picking and choosing based on whether you like they way that person post is bull .

they are probably more understanding when someone slips something out only because they are defending the band we are all here to support and tired of seeing the same people trashing them.

VR is not my favourite band. They're not in the my Top 10.  :P  Guns N' Roses (I mean the Live Era GN'R) is my favorite band. And one other thing... I didn't mention GN'R in the VR topic when I got the negative karma. It's your paranoia that if someone likes VR, he/she hates Axl's new band, although barely anyone but VR-haters bring the new band into the topics.

Dude, who cares if the rules are half-assed some of the time... this isn't pre-school.... shit!

I know what you like and how much you support the band that this site is dedicated to. I've seen enough of your posts.

An obvious Slash fan comes here to tell us how to run a Guns N' Roses board. I think not.



"Barely anybody but VR-haters?"

Talk about selective memory and double standards.


I'm done "debating" with you. Your insults and smart ass remarks about me and this site talks volumes about you.




/jarmo

Well, to be a smart ass, Live Era GnR is the GNR of today. Axl's vocals are re-recorded for sure, and some of the instrumental parts also sound re-recorded. ;)

Somewhat off topic, but since you mentioned it, the new VR single sucks, a lot more then contraband did.

Yeah, but not by the current GnR members... so its not really the GnR of today... unless you mean the old GnR (that wont play together) of today ???