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I don't like Dizzy. I've never liked him from the very first time a saw him at Wembley Stadium.

I don't like his face, his hair, his eyes, his clothes, or his incredibly boring piano solos?

I don't like hearing him in interviews, as if he's original GNR, he seems less original than new GNR members

Why is he in GNR?

Is this just something I should deal with, or do others often ponder "why is Dizzy?"
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axl gave dizzy a job as a keyboard player in  gnr because dizzy's other band fell apart and dizzy was living on the streets. he almost is an original member, hes been with them since i guess around 1990 or so, i dont mind dizzy but i guess i can see how some people dont like him.

Yeah, your talking crap, Dizzy is the guy who is making alot of the songs you know and love sound like they should live and in the studio.

Well I dont like the guy, never have, never will. Hes just a yes man.

Fair play though for having the most pointless job ever. Bongos on WTTJ? Lol. Whatever next???! Oh yeah.... Silkworms.

Wow great, good to know

I'm not saying he doesn't play a part, and who's to say what he really does and does not do, I just don't see how he fits into the band...he's always seemed a bit on the outside...he does seem just like a yes man, I mean, do you really think he has any real input?

Sorry if this offened you, it was just a thought... :nervous:

If I go to gigs and it sounds just like the studio version, im disappointed. No sponteneity or improv bores me. May as well stay at home and listen to the cd, at least you dont have to wait 2 1/2 hours for the stereo to show up.

I totally agree, what if Dizzy just stayed at home, would anyone even notice..."oh wait, what happened to that fat guy who used to sit at the back of the stage and fill the gap with a piano solo while everyone goes to the toilet halfway through the gig"..."you mean Dizzy"..."yeah"...."I don't really care"....

Good for you.

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Jarmo, Adz, Will, Pandora, Sukie ANYONE!! Where are you? Please lock this thread, this sort of thread really brings the worms out from under their stones! Dizzy is cool and he has been there a long time. How are any of us to know what his input in like behind the scenes? He was recruited in 1990 because Axl wanted a keyboard player and he has done an awesome job!!Mike

Why does the thread need to be locked, it was just a discussion about a band member, it wasn't offensive, I just wanted to know if I was alone in questioning Dizzy's role in GNR...people are way too paranoid...can't we have an open discussion...

I never cared for dizzy, I think gnr was at their best as 5..

if you watch making of don't cry dizzy explains how he got there

Yeah, I think as 5 they seemed really tight...Even though their performance at Hammersmith totally blew me away, there just seemed to be too much happening on stage, especially on such a small stage...I'd love to see a really tight show, with song after song, forgetting the painful piano solos!

Hammersmith was pretty good, despite the wait. Gig was ruined by the solos though, totally knackered the flow of the show. Not just Dizzy's, all of them didnt do it for me.

I did chuckle though when Chris Pittmann got less cheers from the crowd than the appearance of the drum kit at the start.

I'm personnally not going to lock this thread, because discussions about other band members, and the criticisms that go along with them, have been allowed. I will ask all of you, however, to show a minimum of respect towards the guy and not insult him. As long as the arguments are constructive, the discussion can go on.

The solos just seem so un-necessary...god, I remember at Wembley Stadium when Matt Sorum did a solo which lasted about 15 minutes, people were getting very very bored...

I just don't get the solo's...who care's...Dizzy's input in GNR is a mystery at the best of times, but a piano solo just makes him seem even less relevant...I noticed many people using his solo at hammersmith as a time to leave...which is sad for the rest of GNR... :-X

P.S. thanks for not locking this thread, as I said, just having an open discussion...

I've met Dizzy and talked with him.  He's a very cool and funny guy.  I don't know how he fits with Axl, because I didn't question him about it. 

When I first met him, he was very open and even gave me an impromtu interview (which I suck at, didn't even have a pen/paper with me :hihi: )

That's good that he's a cool guy, I had imagined that he was completely the opposite...great that he gave you some time : ok:

all of you who are posting against mr. dizzy reed should probably just kill yourselves... immediately.

dizwald has been a foundation for the band ever since it almost completely collapsed in the late 90s and has been a friend to Axl in the times when he most needed one. ?He's truly helped Axl through some tough times... most notably in 2002 with Axl struggling to continue the tour due to the reviews GNR were getting which Mr. Rose reads and unfortunately does take to heart, almost without exception.

that aside, Dizzy is an incredible musician in his own right... I can tell you that first hand. ?His piano solos on this most recent tour are but a small glimpse of the talents he holds. ?He holds in his record great songwriting, top-class piano/keyboard-playing, and he's not a bad singer also.

and lastly, and most importantly, he is a phenomenal guy. ?About as down-to-earth as a rock star can well... possibly be. ?He's the type of guy who is absolutely without ego... and he'll be the first person to tell you that.

so... until you understand all the facts... or well even a small proportion of all the facts... keep your mouth shut.

Ah so your view on it are the facts? ;)

When Dizzy was brought in everyone was against it and according to Izzy nobody even talked to him the first 2 weeks, they just ignored him. He didn't even own a keyboard.

Dizzy does nothing for me.. he just jumped the bandwagon and to me he's a "yes" - man.

That's superficial. A really weak reason not to like someone.

And a big thank you to Dizzy Reed's mum for her opinion. That is you isnt it?

guess what?

I'm not saying you're wrong.  All you're saying is probably true.  Heck, I was bossing Dizzy around for a bit when we were hanging out... he's just a nice & easy-going guy who doesn't care about all the politics of whose in command of the band and whatnot...

But, that aside, why does that rule out his importance in the present existence of GNR?

Firstly, your quote "He's the type of guy who is absolutely without ego... and he'll be the first person to tell you that', Hmmm, no ego, doesn't sound like anyone who's in GNR to me...probably why he's so dull...come on, do you really think the solos are any good, honestly?

Secondly, my quote "I don't like his face, his hair, his eyes, his clothes", this was kind of a joke, people take things too seriously...but seriosly, he does have really weird eyes, definately very dark thought inside his head... :peace:

Actually, the dude you are talking to has had extended contact with Dizzy.

Learn who youre fucking hearing your stuff from. Hes a more credible person to listen to then Mr "I dont like Dizzy's face".

You need to calm down a bit, mate...I think the comment someone made that he was Dizzy's mum was a JOKE.

So what if he know's Dizzy personally, that's got nothing to do with us discussing if he is an important part of GNR.

And again, my comment "I don't like his face", so what, I don't like it, I probably wouldn't like yours either..,

Please just show some respect...someone in the world was bitten yesterday...it's time to pull together people :love:

Well, frankly, if we are going to be talking about Dizzy - his personality, his music etc., Id like to hear it from someone who knows what they are talking about.

Which isnt you.

And speaking of Dizzy anyway, I love the dude. I think his parts have added an extra layer of blues to the band.

Yeah, but I know as much about Dizzy as the next person, I've seen him play, I've got the records...what else is there, oh yeah, ""he's a really cool dude, man"... so what...if you can't handle a slightly negative and jokey comment then just don't read on...it only started as a funny thread...not who knows Dizzy the most...I don't want to know him...I know enough, send my regards

so who is this.. steven adler or chris pittman?

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I speak for everyone...

Now here's a thread for something I've always thought of asking when someone disses Dizzy as being a "yes man."

How do you differentiate between a man with similar vision, values & opinions etc. as another (in this case Axl) and a "yes man"?

I don't know which one Dizzy is, but neither do people on this board. Yes, the evidence suggests that he's a "yes man" basically for gratitude towards Axl, but that's circumstancial. Maybe Axl wanted exactly him onboard in the first place because he saw their visions, personalities or whatever fit well together! And the lack of conflicts or the "dullness" or whatever you're complaining about Mr. Reed is just a result of him really agreeing with Axl (in his heart too, not just on the outside) and therefore having no need to voice his opinion. Not to us anyway!

"Yes men" will always say "yes", but so will those who agree!

Well I want to say right here, right now "No", "No to yes men, No to Dizzy".

The smartest post in this dead horse thread so far.

You keep bitchin about the thread, but still you keep coming back..you must be bored...

I'm trying really hard to understand the point of this thread.

So, we should explain to you why you SHOULD like Dizzy?

I mean, if you don't like him, fine, why should we all talk about it?

You don't have to do anything...i just wanted to see if others felt the same, that's all...I'll remember never to talk about things I don't like in the future...maybe the whole of society should do this, that would make life REALLY interesting...oh hang on, aren't we allowed to be critical of things? "Oh no, please don't attack the sacred Dizzy Reed"... you people make me laugh :rant:

You call this critic?


All you're saying is that you don't like the guy. That's your problem.

I don't think anyone can change your opinion about him so why keep on talking about it.

And if you find other people who share the same feelings as you, then what? Will you start a "I hate Dizzy" forum, or one of those Dizzy Haters Anonymous meetings?

Fuck it, I'll leave this open for a bit more and see how it goes.

Look, it was just an opinion, it's really not a big deal...I don't like him, others do...that's my opinion, I'm happy for you to lock the thread before I get really angry and bite someones leg...probably Dizzy's. :smoking: :beer:

Stop raggin on poor Dizzy!  The solo he did at Hammersmith was beautiful.  He's an important player in the band.

As you can see I decided to leave this thread open for now.

I'll leave it up to Jarmo unless shit happens before he logs in.

I just don't see the point of starting a thread about someone you don't like without a reason.

When I don't like someone I don't talk about him.

But that's crazy, it was just my opinion...to not talk about things you don't like is madness...all I said is that I don't lika a tiny part of GNR...

Look man, I'm an artist, when I have a show in a gallery and someone says they don't like a piece of my work I talk to them, we have a discussion, I don't get in a strop and storm off, or close down the discussion...that's just life...people don't like the same things...aren't some of the most intersting discussions about things you don't like...i.e. politics, sport, character assasination...

When discussing Dizzy's input, why stop at his solos at the recent shows ? His piano and organ parts are oll over the UYI albums... That has got to amount to something.  : ok:

I personally am not going to comment any further.

It's clear that many people can't listen to any kind of negative critcism on this board, which is strange...oh well, it was just an opinion

Saying that you simply don't like Dizzy is not criticism.

Criticism is to give a few reasons. You don't.

End of discussion for me.

you didnt criticized dizzy...
criticize is not about complain about his hair, or his face... or cuz you say he is a "yes man"
when you dont even know him...
you can criticize his skills as an musician or his atittude.... but not that other things
and clearly his skills or his personality dont any need any shit... cuz he is a great person and ?a great player....

(http://www.gnrlies.com/Images/Dizzy/Dizzy04.jpg)

Sorry Dizzy, I repent :love:

So, let me get this one, is playing amazing songs like Ziggy Stardust or Something on the piano boring? ???
Yeah Silkworms is crap, that's for sure and bongos in Appetite songs are useless, but so are Pittman's "special effects" But what about Estranged piano solo, or many others in the Ilusions?

Anyway, I think he is a really important part of the band's sound and  love his solos : ok: