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We all know what axl said on eddie trunk, but how many people does that cover in reality? The die hards I suppose and a few casual rock/metal fans.. Which is cool

here's the thing why is axl touring europe and not even saying anything regarding the album or a possible single while going country to country playing in front of 100,000's of people.. With the release coming "soon" wouldn't it be in his best interest to say things of this nature

*this next song will be on our upcoming album cd
*ladies n gents I'm happy to say we're ready to release cd
*This song will be our next single, or say another song off the album will be a single
*we're shooting for this date to release a single, we're doing a video when we return home..
*The name of the album will be or won't be CD
* maybe some history behind some of the tunes like he did with wttj

Well the list goes on and on with things he should say to imform people on this large ground covering tour...

I think axl is being kind of in the dark here, plus it's a lot of old music .....

There is no reason with july around the corner doing  a second cd type tour without mentioning some key points.. 01-02  already introduced you to the band.. No more stretch your legs introduction tours, this time around it should have been done with everything in order, dates single name, album name etc

That's how I feel...

actually I have been thinking about that to. I dont understand why he is not promoting CD when he has this golden chance.

Like you said thay are playing for hundreds of thousands :nervous:

I agree, there is a worrying lack of announcements going on.  Lets hope he's just waiting to release it in the autumn and is going to give more details closer to the release date.  I've had my copy of the CD on order for the last five years so the shop owner will hopefully get to deliver on this one this year.  Plus he'll be glad to get rid of me I would think and my weekly question of "have you heard anything".

i'm cool with it
until they drop the cd they shouldnt talk at all
i mean, we have the music to enjoy , so that's already cool.

i dont think it's a good idea to boast about CD and release dates and what ever in front of a puzzled audience who heard bad things about the band for ever.

what they're doing is the best option: let the music speak.

i would like axl to say anything about cd on the LAST concert before its release. the LAST one.

People are going to try and justify it but the lack of publicity is just silly. This aint 1990 and the press aint going to do it for you anymore Axl  : ok:

There's press coverage on the European shows, a french magazine published a 20 page article about CD.

here in Belgium, in one of the biggest national newspaper ("Le Soir"), there was an article about the Graspop show (great press by the way) and the fact that Axl said CD would be out in the end of 2006.

Basically, the album thing still bugs the shit out of me. >:( Why they toured without a record again is mindboggling. ???

Dont pretend you dont wish you could see everyone of the shows though.

Like I said in another thread, Europe = Straight up cash money homie.  Notice how the tour isn't called Chinese Democracy World Tour?  This is a cash grab, and a good one at that. 


The real drama comes when GNR start up here in the USA in September.  Let's see if that tour has a name.

I saw 2 New York shows. I want an album. >:(

History shows that Axl's hardly a money digger.

Maybe the tour is more about re-establishing themselves. The new Guns n Roses hardly have a lot of credibility among the general public, but undertaking a long tour could boost this before the album is due.

Yes because of course the European tour is just a warmup for the all mighty American tour  ::)

No it's a money grab and a chance to prove to more finicky US promoters that this is a viable tour. 

'*this next song will be on our upcoming album cd
*ladies n gents I'm happy to say we're ready to release cd
*This song will be our next single, or say another song off the album will be a single
*we're shooting for this date to release a single, we're doing a video when we return home..
*The name of the album will be or won't be CD
* maybe some history behind some of the tunes like he did with wttj'

- Maybe he just doesn't say those things because he knows the European fans just aren't as naive as the US fans.

I also think it could be a test on Axl's behalf to see just how well he can handle being on the road for extended periods of time...

All Axl said at any of those shows, including the ones in NYC, were funny one-liners. Sure, made me laugh, but somehow I miss the talkative Axl. It's nice to see him in a good mood, cracking jokes, but why can't he just address some of the issues, such as THE NEW ALBUM, but also what happened during the 2002 tour, I did expect a funny remark on the Tommy Hilfiger 'fight', why not explain WHY we need to listen to so many solos etc? If not on stage, do an interview. The Trunk thing was cool, but none of the more sensitive issues were touched. It was just a bunch of cool guys hanging out sharing rock and roll stories. Could have listened to it for hours, but in the end it still bugged me that we still didn't have answers on why BH quitt, what was going on in the band at the time, what the hell was Axl during after the 2002 tour, how is the album coming along?

To me, it isn't just the album thing, although I agree that would be the biggest question at the moment. I think there are loads of things the band should address, but I have this eerie feeling we won't get any answers.

I'm surprised no one has answered yet with...Axl doesn't owe us anything. :P

OK so this is true, however, talking to the audience about the upcoming album and possible single would not only make many fans excited, but help to further promote this band.? ?They're out there playing in front of houndreds of thousands of people, but they're playing so many of the old songs with only a few new ones sprinkled in, so they're not exactly establishing themselves on their own merits.? ?

Who knows, I'm sure Axl has some master plan for how he wants this to proceed and we'll find out soon enough. : ok:

 all I said was it would be great to talk about the long awaited album in each country, why tour then... I don't care if it's warming up, or trying to earn some money, everyone is possible buyers so let them know something.. All they know is a few new tunes are being played, bach is running around, izzy is around time to time and they hear a lot of classics..

There is no reason a week out from july (fall release) that a single can't be mentioned, the album or what songs they are playing will be off the album.. Just basic info anyone releasing an album soon would do..

I don't buy that nothing is set, no one wants to say anything... You have 8 band members that can be doing interviews , telling fans they meet, etc.. This is just poorly done and it hints of cd not definetly coming out..

Also not to sound mean but enough with the master plan stuff, this is just promoting your album when you tour.. You don't tour twice in europe onbce in the usa with no product plus the vmas

So you don't think he has some sort of plan...?

'02 blew up in his face.  I don't think he will make the same mistake twice. 

I'm sure he has a plan, but I've been hearing master plan theories for 4 years already.... I just feel he could be really making the most of these concerts plus helping his new band have their own identity by reinforcing new songs and the album

To me he hasn't renewed his plan since the '02 tour and could easily blow up in their faces again.

I thought we were going to a huge press release when the tour started and other things happening, but nothink in essence.

man I thought axl was going to knock our socks off at hammerstein and tell the small crowd something about cd's date... So true man 2001-2002 2006 I mean just release the fucking thing already or sound reassuring about it by talking singles or vids or time tables to those who don't know..

Remember that in '02 Axl said of the release of "Chinese Democracy" "soon is not the word."

In '06 Axl said it would be out this year, for sure.

Anything can happen of course, but I am hopeful '06 will be the year.

sure, he was talking about cd in 99 too, but I think in 2002 it was almost done, by rio 4 something was going to happen, bh bailed now we're here.. if no parts were redone that what the fuck have they been doing, then the 26 out of 32 are finished or something..

Obviously he should do this or he should do that but I really don't think Axl cares. I'm not trying to justify it but Axl always does things his own way, like it or not. I don't think the lack of information suggests CD isn't coming out because he mentioned that it was in couple of interviews. Would the fact he said it at a concert make you believe it even more? Obviously, saying it at the gigs would reach more people but Axl doesn't do publicity and doesn't want to hype the album up too much. Why, I don't know but its always been that way for Axl. He clearly wants the exact opposite of all the hype surrounding UYI. Maybe he thinks that all the hype damaged UYI's credibilty especially when it didn't live up to rediculously high expectations among most people. He just wants the music to speak for itself. This is nothing new. He never really gave an explanation for the breakup, never tried to defends accusations of being a control freak, never responded to numerous personal accusations, or the revolving door of producers and musicians such as Buckethead or any information about the writing or the recording process for the album. They are some of the most important questions of his life but he simply to refuses to answer, almost becoming a sort of anti celebrity. The lack of an official website is also connected with this rediculously high level of secrecy surrounding his life, band and the album. I don't see the need for it but its always been Axl's way.

Besides, I think anyone at the concert will know about the album being released by the time it comes out.

I strongly disagree there... I say this because I see bands today that I followed religiously back in the day but I have no clue or cares about what they are doing now... It's like I'd see metallica the stones aeromsith motleu crue etc but I wouldn't care when their new music was coming out.. Gnr is a big time name ,people will see them tour forever without ever buying anything new.. maybe the kids care but the older people are there for more nostalgic reasons.. Not saying smething at shows is silly,.

Besides a few people bitching on message boards, and some people chanting for Slash and throwing piss bottles, the tour is actually going well the way it is. ?

Like someone else mentioned, he might say something at the last gig, and gear up for a headlining North American Tour. ?Riight now he's doing festivals, people were going to these shows anyway no matter what. ?The fact that they're out there playing is enough promotion right now.

Didn't Ron say he won't appear on the album because he came in too late? ?If that's the case, then it's done, and when a release date gets closer we'll hear about it. ?Fall is from September until December. ?If the album is scheduled to be released at the end of fall, it could be another 6 months away. ?

it could be 50 years away, just keep us informed and spread the word looking confident,,, No more gag orders for the band , talk singles

I know I had said this befor ebut Janet has a new album set instone they are talking dates now for late sept, and her single is now touching the radio, it could easily be them doing this too..  Hopefully some concrete words are said SOOOOOOON

What the girl said. Basically Mike, if you don't care about what they are doing now, why are you nagging them for talks about their new album?


I'm yet to see a show. I want to see a show before they change the set totally. as well as after.

did I say I didn't care, I said many people who go to band's shows that were big years back go for nostaligic reasons not because they are into the new stuff

Once a band passes their hay day many people just go to walk down memory lane, not because they are dying for new music

Motley crue will sell out a million venues but their newer music will not sell, it's just the seriously devoted whio care

As for me I meant it fior bands I followed years ago, I still follow these guys axl or the name

Maybe there is no album. ?:o ?Maybe they're just out there playing shows like Aerosmith, Crue, and even VR with nothing really new to promote...not yet anyway. 

People have short attention spans.  Majority of the folks who are going to these shows do not post on boards.  Many of them are not going to go home and write down a release date for an upcoming album.  So what if a couple of hundred people on a forum would like to know.  They WILL know when the time comes, and not a minute sooner! :)

Well I think it's important for him to let people know there IS an album at the shows even if he can't tell the exact details.

Playing IRS, CD, Better, The Blues, etc. IS telling people that an album exists imo.
"downloading motherfuckers" is a clue to the people who don't even know the new songs that something is coming otherwise why even mention it...

Ok so gnr is exceptional for you. unlike metallica, Rolling stones aerosmith motley crue etc. Interesting cos you always bring up those names to say how those bands are still keeping the same lineups...... :hihi:

Are you telling me you wouldn't know if Metallica, the stones, aerosmith, or motley crue had a new album out? I don't visit Robert Plant or Led Zeppelin websites and have never seen him live, I still knew when he released a new album. I think anyone going to a guns concert would hear bout a new album. I mean if your alert enough to know about the gig then you would be aware of a new album when its released in fairness. They might not have heard of it yet but when its released they will.

I still think not saying anything about the album is not any sillier that not having an official website or explaining the sudden end to the 2002 tour. It's Axl's way. This reminds me of Axl's quote: "I meant to release an album but it slipped my mind". People like you seem to think Axl would say something about the album but it just doesn't cross his mind when he's on stage., or he's just a little silly and forgets! If he wanted to say something he would. He has his reasons for not doing so. Axl and Guns have always been different from other bands approach to things particularly in the last decade. Why he wants secrecy I don't know. Anyone else would be doing everything they can to promote the album. Like I said in a previous post he probably just wants the opposite to all the UYI hype and publicity which damaged the credibilty of what were two amazing albums.

But I'm pretty sure that only '06 has been the year that Axl said the album would be out by the year's end.  In '99, '02, Axl never said "it's coming out this year."

nor "ab so lute ly".

This topic has been bugging me with dejave. How about you?  :confused:

When you have CD in your disc player then you will know it exists.

Right now, I still believe it's not complete nor ready and that is why there isn't a release date or any hype about it at the shows.

IMO we should know of CDs fate this August.  The band has the whole month off and will be back in the US.  If any promotion should start, it would be August right before the US tour.

everyones complaint about his lack of talking about CD is silly because he should be promoting it. doesa nyone not think that the lack of promotion is promotion. its bringing more hype about the album, otherwise people like us wouldnt be having these conversations. cd has always had a feeling of the unknown, perhaps he wants to keep that. it is slightly odd that he doesnt say more about it, well not even odd....it just brings doubt about the release of the highly anticipated album, but maybe they just are waiting for the best moment, which hasnt came about yet, so untill then they dont say anything. he doesnt need to bring any mroe hype abou the album, so many people are looking for it to fail. most attention would be negative attention. yes 2006 does seem like the year, and everyone wants to finally be able to go to the shop and buy this album that we've all been waiting for, but he's , made us wait this long, who says he wont for longer? but as many poeple have alreayd said, axl likes his secrecy. the lack of CD talk could mean anything, but it doesnt nessacarily have to mean that it isnt being released this year.

Even if he was saying those things you still would bitch about there being no press release or anything about the album. He's damned if he do and damned if he don't.

so true, there will be complaints until it's released. and then poeple will still find somethign to complain about.

the only thing that pisses me off is that NOBODY from the GN'R camp is giving any interviews, all the clips from donnington has Mr Bach doing all the talking which is good but Finck or Dizzy or anyone could at least say "yeah its great to be playing" ANYTHING WILL DO  :rant:

you have had something. axl was interviewed on trunks show etc.

After hearing Axl on Trunk I assumed we'd hear something at Hammerstein.  Nope.  Now they're playing shows all over Europe and still not a peep.  You don't have to say "the album will be called this, will be out on this date and the track listing is this right here."  But say something!  "The album's coming."  That's it.  Saying absolutely nothing makes you wonder.  I am beginning to think China will actually be a democracy before we see Chinese Democracy.

listen if there was facts no one could deny it.. geez must you always have to do that can't you just say yeah man you have a point..

As if you could.

There is no point! They dont want to say anything yet, so they wont. Big deal enjoy the fuckin show as is.

Damn right, gnr is everything I ever liked, ?those are just examples of bands I listened to growing up..

Not hard to understand bands you get into as a teen you follow their every move then as you get older you have your classic albums from them then stop watching what they are doing currently.. You think I know what the scorpions are doing or twisted sister ,well all those bands fall into that category.. I might accidentally stumble upon something they are doing simply because I belong to a musical rock forum.. GNR is the only band I followed eevry second of from start till now...

So big fucking deal if I say I think axl should be speaking of cd if it's definetly coming out in fall... ?One thing has nothing to do with the other, ?we already had the tour of afd in 02 with hopes of cd, now we have the afd tour of 2006 plus former a star from when gnr was huge.. So sorry if I like a little more info on a world tour, a spoken word to the casual rock fan..

CB who said I didn't enjoy the show or seeing axsl perform, it's a message board to speak your mind, sorry if I am not one that just goes that rocks I love it, great picture etc.. I want to see axl out there getting behind the work he shupposedly is releasing shortly..

Mike you of all people should know by now that Axl doesnt do anythign untill hes ready to do it. When he's ready to talk about it he will. Untill then theres nothing anyone could do about it. Whats the point in complaining about it when you knwo just as well as I do that its not gonna accomplish anything?

I'm telling you, Mike, there's no such thing as "Chinese Democracy."  :rofl:

Yes I know this but man he's touring europe for the second time already heavy with old 4 years later  it's time for new band ,new material mostly and real word about cd and possible single..  I actually like this band better when they play better

Honestly I'll believe it when I can hold it in my hands

if someone does I'll tell them even if it means they dislike something I love..

Gnr forums have people who will never say a bad word regarding their side, it's just the way it is.. it would be out of character

Why should we say a bad word regarding any side whatever. ???

I'm talking the whole vr vs new gnr thing or old band vs new band, people need to bend and accept opinions.. It's like if someone feels axl sounded bad its turns into a shit fest or a bad review.. So even if axl is your fave it's cool to be able to accept other's opinion that it might not have been spectacular

I like vr, but if something was not good I can say it, some can't it would be out of character for them..

An indication from the record company that's what i want, btw i don't know how long is fall over in the States, in europe December is Winter.
Albums releases are planned 3 months in advance (after all the music and art work is done), they have to be done (most of them in Asia for costs purpuses), shipped, world distribution... all the negotions involved....it takes time, they should be starting now for a Sep/Out release and nothing from geffen/interscope or whatever there name is.
Mike's right when he says most people going to see GNR want a trip memory lane, so a word from the band about the new album to keep peoples attention would be a good ideia marketing wise its strange not to do it, but what really bugs me is the damn thing not being listed as a release anywere or did i miss something  :confused:

"in europe December is Winter" ....  :rofl:

Maybe the tour has nothing to do with any new album or music.  :(

don't you think that playing two of the 'new' songs as encores is a kinda subtle way of pushing the album? you can see him watching the audience response more closely than you imagine when they play these songs

me thinks Axl is simply trying to familiarise the audience with some of the new material before announcing a release date. Concert attendees will instantly recognise some of the song names and that will give them some confidence to part with their hard earned cash.

You would think he would try to familiarise them with new material by releasing an album and touring for the album..

Yeah but I'm trying to find some logic in the craziness

Seriously if GNR had released an album a few months ago, I think many people might have took one look and put it down again...now if they can say 'oh, that was that leak my mate was playing' or 'I remember that one from (europe gig)', it may help to kickstart the albums sales

A lot of the shows GN'R are playing right now are festivals. So whilst they are getting a lot of Guns fans, not all the crowd are specifically there to see GN'R.

However, with the UK tour coming up shortly, I would not be surprised to hear something there.

My rationale:-

In 2002 at the Leeds festival, Axl didn't really discuss the album. At the GN'R show at Docklands a couple of days later he was talking about three albums and a bonus disc with extra songs, etc...

As for promotion, Evanescence and Iron Maiden have albums out in September and October, and we have had tracklistings, release dates etc.

If the album is in line for an October/November release, I doubt it will be too long before we hear something.

I think the UK tour will be to test new songs (not newer songs) before the comeback to NY to start the final details of the album (mix, artwork, starting to do interviews, etc).

I mean, it's just whishful thinkin', but I wouldn't be surprised if they'll play all the new songs (CD, Madagascar, Blues, Rhiad, TWAT, Better and IRS) on the set in this UK tour. Then, in august, they will start to promote the album.

I think a cool move would be to say this is from our new album cd, kind of like the illusions.. We still aren't 100 sure what is on or off.. I remember B sides last time around

The 2002 tour was called the chinese democracy tour.

Has this tour been named? I ask because this tour may have nothing to do with the album.


They are playing new songs live, 9 or 10 since 2002, that's alot of songs considering they have 26 completely recorded. We actually have a good idea of what the albums will be like, especially if those songs all make it on to the first record. the leaks and live stuff  have also made it to a much wider audience than the gnr hardcore fans. In the internet age it's naive to think only hardcore fans have found the new songs both live and demo. Alot of kids who like the old stuff are probably downloading the new.


with that many songs exposed, live and demo in pretty good quality why they aren't promoting an album right now. We'll see through the summer, but big albums do in sept are already being talked up by labels, single and release dates being named. GNR starts playing america in Sept.