Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Was that thread deleted?  I had something I wanted to post in it  :P

Anyway, since GnR is on tour and Axl's voice live is a valid and current topic, let's discuss it.  Some say in 2002 his voice was off for whatever reason and are shocked that he's regained it in 2006.  I'm of the opinion that in 2002 he held back most of the time but was still capable of "unleashing the beast"  :hihi: when he wanted to.  Evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j06dVpEZn_U&search=axl%20rose

Overall I like his voice better now than in 02...

But his scream at the intro to WTTJ in 01/02 was fantastic(I miss them here in 06)

I like it better this time, seemed more high pitched mousey in 2002, voice is just better all around now..

I like it better in 2006 too but I think in 2002 he was capable of doing what he does now, but maybe wasn't as willing to do it.  Perhaps he was worried about his voice holding up on tour but there were moments during 2002 where he proved that he was still able to hit the same ridiculous notes he always has

Maybe he hadn't finished the vocals for cd and wanted to preserve his voice for the studio

2002 was good, now it's even better

nah then why tour at all.. I think either tour cd should have been on it's way out and done...

Janet jackso has a late september release going, her single is out, and their is an exact date... pretty damn easy

That's good for Janet and her below par music.

So far I think '06 is better all around than in '02.  Axl's voice sounds really good and he looks so much more comfortable and relaxed on stage, the band just seems much tighter as a group.   

axls voice is ofcorse better now,but it wasnt THAT bad in 02....on some songs it worked very well,but this ''new'' version is just better,great...  8)

I liked him in 2002 but seriously, 25 seconds from a whole tour means nothing.

That whole concert was stunning!

2002 was better than nothing at all while now it's like it should be.

It's not the point of wether her music is good or not, it's about being able to give a single and release date in advance

if the album is ready and you're toruing the world why are you not even speaking of a date, why isn't  a date set so he can speak about it.  Every country in europe he's playing yet no mentions, why?

I don't agree.  He lost alot of respect from fans, promoters, people in the music industry with the way the tour was cancelled etc.  Even the diehard fans who defended how he sounded in '02 can NOW admit that he sounds better in '06.  Translation:  he did not sound as good as he could have/should have in '02 apart from a performance here and there.  Now, every show seems to be more of a hit instead of a miss. ;)

Because it's not ready? Yes he did say it will come out this year but fuck sakes man it isn't even summer time yet.

Is this seriously a thread again?

he said fall already, why the fuck is he touring with no album ready, he did this in 01-02 ... he should know a few things by now, at least say have no fear cd will be out.. I doubt everyone is europe was glued to the eddie trunk interview :hihi:

Maybe cause many of the band members have been in the band almsot as long as old GN?R excisted  : ok:

In 02 his voice did seem strange. His lungpower was definatly gone (VMA performance, missing words, dying half way through a word). At hammerstein it was a million times better. I dont really care what the problem was, he corrected it.

Well, yeah,  "in name" they  may have been around as long as some of the original, but I remember a while back Dizzy saying he hadn't seen Axl in over a year at the time he was asked.   It's being in the studio creating music and then going out on tour together that makes a band a band.   Looks like they're finally on their way! :yes:

listen to the SCOM (boston 2002).the best version ever.vocal control etc.just add the raspy :drool:.

This is the best explanation yet.  The "raspy" voice is back on some songs now.  He sounds a lot better now than in 2002  :peace:

2006 just sounds awesome. He did that LALD scream at Hammersmith if I remember correctly.

As someone mentioned before in the previous thread about this - I think the 2002 MTV VMA's invalidates the "holding back" theory as the vocal performance there was less than adequate outside of the Jungle Scream and a couple raspy moments on Paradise City.  He was out of breath and his pipes sounded like fossils.  And when you're on a stage of that caliber in front of the entire nation that hasn't seen nor heard from you in years, why hold back?  Just doesn't make sense.  He should've "unleashed the beast" as you say all over that broadcast and knocked everyone on their asses and left no question that GN'R were back and better than ever.  Instead, everyone was like "Man, did you see Axl on MTV last night!?  What the hell happened to him?  He's fat and sounded like shit."

I'm still in the ballpark of there was a legitimate problem in 2002.

I think 2006 is awesome : ok:top of his game

In 1992 he was Donald Duck
In 2002 he was Mickey Mouse
In 2006... he just sounds amazing. ;D

The best analogy yet!  : ok:  :hihi:

The album is done, he can go all out!

I think the 2002 VMA's can be largely chalked up to nerves.  Axl ran out of breath and admitted he was very nervous prior to the performance.  I think that performance may have been hurt just because he hadn't even been seen by most people in around 8 years.  Hopefully they will play the VMA's this year and Axl will show pop culture America he still has the goods  :smoking:

i think that Axl voice is great right now.imo everythin' is better now than in 2002.Axl voice, style, every single member fits perfectly in the band.I don't even miss reunion as much as after seeing 2002 VMA's :)

its better now than in 2002.

He certainly hit it at the Hammerstein on the 12th as well...

Let's hope so!

better than 2002 still lacks the real youthful rasp and 'violence' of old days but a welcome return of a super voice in 2006

fish

HE'S BACK ......... 2006 .....

Instead of being throaty, he uses sharper and metallic rasps, or rather screeches, from his very own huge voice repertoire. the 02 vocals were great except for some parts on some old songs.
As I see it, the singing in 02 was more like true to the basics of good singing and vocalization. His vocals today are based on the 02 ones.

Overall, I prefer his newer voices to his 20th century young voices that were, on comparison, still under construction.
Yep, he sounds better than ever. :yes:

A lot of people do seem to forget how he sounded back in the UYI tour. There was rasp, alright - nothing but rasp! The '02 voice still sounded like a work-in-progress, which was sometimes dead-on, and sometimes... not.  It's worth considering; how much Axl has invested into his voice during the past 10 or so years. It's highly distinguishable, one of the cornerstones of the "GNR sound". He must've felt the need to get it into such a shape that it could blast windows at the recording studio, and still manage to hit the high notes after months of active touring. Given his insistence to have a live band that can match the studio outfit, who's to say he wouldn't extend this demand to his own voice as well?

After all this time, one wouldn't easily think the "extra recording" could mean the re-doing of vocal tracks.

As Bach in a news article said "Is back......."


only that!!!!!!

For the most part he sounds better than he's ever sounded.

Incidentally,is there a general consensus as to what his worst vocal peformance was ?

any show in 2002 ws his worst vocal performance especially MTV.......I have over 120 GNR bootlegs and just threw away all the 2002 shows (except Boston)...........Without getting to into it the reality is his voice sucked in 2002 most likely due to 8 years of no live shows whatsoever  and he probably had not bothered with any vocal training...Now in 2006 he has gone back to his signature style mostly because he has probably gone through a lot of vocal training...............Maybe he took 12 years off cuz it took that long to get his damn voice back.....................As for the UYI tour, that was the most raspy it has ever been especially in the 1991 concerts............

most vocal teachers would disagree with you about that.
Again have you been to a concert? Lets not jumble up voice and pitch/rhythm/breathing in singing.
recording may tell you if the singer sings a wrong note but it doesn't really do justice to the quality of live voice unless it's done as it should be.

i am basing it on over 140 recordings from 1986-1993 where his voice sounded great in EVERY show and every single recording from 2002 it sounded high pitched and weak...............comon sense would be he lost his voice in 02 cuz he took 8 years away from live gigs........

I have often thought about this myself.  I thought that maybe Axl thought he would be able to hit the road without properly training or excercising his voice and adequately preparing for a long string of live performances.  I think that at times he was able to revert back to his old ways but overall he held back or wasn't capable of singing that way for an entire show, or held back because he had figured out they'd booked all these gigs and didn't want to lose his voice

But I still chalk the 2002 VMA's up to nerves.  He sounded worse then than he did on the 2002 shows before or after then.  The opening Jungle scream was strong, but it seemed like he ran out of breath soon after that.  Running out of breath like that probably wasn't because he was out of shape, but due to nerves.  He had been practically invisible for 8 years and knew he was being watched by millions, it's possible after all those years he froze up a little, maybe wasn't in the right frame of mind to perform in front of that type of audience.  I think that now he is in a much better frame of mind to perform in front of large audiences

ShotgunBlues1978, One of the producers worked with Axl before 2002 says otherwise. there was an article a while back.

Again people who's been to the shows both of the old era and in 02 are saying he sounded great in 02. and
again pitching and the strength of voice are too different matters. Or do you mean the volume? read my previous post.  You can't judge the quality of voice on the mp3s. the more generations the recording is in, the less quality it is.
In Every show? I guess some people here can provide you some examples of UYI era.

In any cace, if you hate crisp and clean, crystal clear voices backed with good vocalization, that's that.

I was at the 2002 MSG show and he sounded amazing, IMO it's the best show I've ever been to, even better than the 2006 Hammerstein show.  But from the boots I've heard his voice was not consistent at the 2002 shows, and there were certainly songs he held back on, leading me to believe that either he was concerned about being able to hold up for a whole tour, or was physically unable to performing an entire set at full strength.  I think that the first option, being concerned about his voice holding up throughout a whole tour, was the case.    Certain clips make me sure he was still capable of incredible vocal feats, once again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j06dVpEZn_U&search=axl%20rose

Additionally, I know there are moments from the UYI tour he didn't sound great.  There were times when he was unable to hit the smoother notes and the rasp was sometimes overwhelming.  For evidence, the Perfect Crime clip from the UYI days

Axl didn't use vibratto in 2002.

Listen to "November Rain" from 1991 and then compare it to a bootleg of the song from this year. Axl's trying to replicate his voice from that period of time.

After that, listen to the Boston 2002 version of the song and hear how Axl butchers it.

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

ShotgunBlues1978, The latter part of my post was mainly for those who thinks Axl's voice sounded great in EVERY fucking show in 1986-1993 and better than any show in 2002 or 2006.

talking about the stability, well from what I've heard his vocals of this era are rather steadier than those in the past.
Indeed he seemed to lost his balance right after the prlonged scream on wttj at VMAS but he had some earpiece problem, didn't he? And IMO his crystal new falsetto wasn't better fit than his old voice for certain old songs.

Axl's voice in 2002 wasn't in it best moment period :P

Don't you dare include Live an Let Die '02 in that opinion.  GNR '86 to '06 has never done LALD better than in '02.  He holds that scream for 20 seconds with extreme intensity.  My guess is the scream is easier without the rasp.  I don't know.  All I know is that LALD is my favorite of all time.   :beer:

Listen to the Osaka monitor mix from 2002 and you'll have a different opinion.

 : ok:

Pay attention to the words monitor mix on your post and you'll have a different opinion.

I'm confused?  Please explain??  Is Dunkin Dave telling me that LALD, Pittsburgh, Boston, and New York aren't amazing?  Did he fuck up in Osaka?  All I know is that scream is fucking not of this world.   :peace: