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Mother of Slain JonBenet Ramsey Dies

Patsy Ramsey, whose 6-year-old daughter JonBenet's 1996 slaying has never been solved, died Saturday of cancer, her lawyer said. She was 49.

Ramsey had been battling ovarian cancer since 1993 and suffered a recurrence several years ago, attorney L. Lin Wood said. She died at her father's home in suburban Atlanta with her husband, John, at her bedside.

"It is not unexpected but it is a sad day," Wood told The Associated Press.

JonBenet, who competed in beauty pageants, was found beaten and strangled in her parents' Boulder, Colo. basement on Dec. 26, 1996. A grand jury investigation ended with no indictments, and no arrests have been made.

   
 
 
The Ramseys said an intruder killed their daughter but a cloud of suspicion hung over the couple. The district attorney and a federal judge in Colorado have said it is likelier that an intruder was responsible.

JonBenet's death became fodder for tabloids and the subject of books.

"I think people realize now that this family was very much victims of that murder and have suffered greatly because of it in terms of the false accusations made against them," Wood told CNN Saturday.

Patsy Ramsey said she found a ransom note on the back staircase of the family's home demanding $118,000 for the safe return of JonBenet. John Ramsey said he found his daughter's body in a basement room eight hours later.

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An autopsy concluded JonBenet suffered a skull fracture, and was strangled and beaten.

The couple left Colorado after JonBenet's death and wrote a book, "The Death of Innocence," which was published in 2000.

They had residences in Atlanta and in Michigan, where John Ramsey made an unsuccessful bid for the Michigan House in 2004.

He finished second among six candidates vying for the Republican nomination. The Ramseys discussed their daughter's death during the campaign.

"We can't just hold our breath and hope the killer will be found and then go on with our lives," Patsy Ramsey said in 2004. "We have to move ahead now. We can't let evil win."

Patsy Ramsey is survived by her husband and their 19-year-old son, Burke.

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Good riddance.

I don't know what to say, now she can be with her daughter again, right?

Quick Question


why the fuck would a killer leave a ransom note if he had already killed the girl?


Those two are guilty.

i always thought they were guilty, i also always thought the son had something to do with it, but wow i didnt even know she was sick.

I thought her brother killed her ?

i think so too, but its never been proven and i think her parents were guilty because they were covering for him so he wouldnt be in trouble, theres just way too much evidence pointing towards that family in my opinion

What i heard was :

Little boy was jealous of all her attention and the way the tod was brought up for the pageants made her reaall vane, so she would turn up in front of her brother asking " do you find me pretty" and would even jump into bed with him ?
So the boy grew up and one day, lost it.
I heard there was semen found on her body and she had been penetrated.
So, it's likely the parents induced a quasi incestuous climate in the house in making the little girl asking attention to anything and anyone, including males of her own family.
This one male being a kid.

oh well, she gets what she deserves for trying to live vicariously through her daughter all those years, i mean cmon that girl was like 6 yrs old and they had her dolled up with makeup ,manicures, & pressures of a modeling career!  couldnt just let her be a fuckin kid, instead of making her there meal ticket!

Aaron Spelling and now Patsy Ramsey  :'(

I always thought it was odd. But could never form an opinion about it either way.

This was such big news but I never even cared when it happened..

I think you were Jon's age when this happened :hihi:

No, i don't read american tabloids hun.

And what's surprising ? Incest between brothers and sisters is the most common out of all.
Imagine you're 12 and a little 6 year old trying to act like a woman comes into your bed on a regular basis with pretty girls and make up ?
At 12, you don't rationalise pulses.

the story about the brother wasnt in the tabloids, i mean it was because tabloids write everything and just make it more embellished, but he really was a solid suspect.

I felt horrible the day i found out about this poor little girl, a little girl who had to be paraded around for fashion shows at such a young age, when most little girls want to play with dolls. i still feel so bad for her to this day, no little girl deserves to die like she did, and no little girl should be paraded around like a showpiece.

all the evidence pointed to the family, there just wasnt enough substantial evidence to convict them with a guilty sentence.

Goes back to 3 problems :

exploitation of children by parents ( in france, it would NEVER happen, our laws are very tight concerning kids and fashion/advertising/filming/....)

SEXploitation of children or their image ( pretty little girls + make up+cute short dresses+half naking bathing suits and dolly parton curls is a sexual image that can be found in the adult world and that should never be found in the children's world)

Laws that need change concerning kids and work in general.

i absoutley agree with you, laws need to be changed, we're victimizing children, and their too young to be able to fight back. thats why its so easy, i think its disgraceful how we parade around children. let children be children

I think women who push their daughters towards this are completely fucked up  :rant:

if she did it she will pay for it , i dont know if she did or not.but dying of cancer is punishment in itself

looks like it may not have been the parents afterall....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208761,00.html

Good riddance, cancer eh, the big guy in the sky will have his vengence

unreal - the plot thickens ??

I saw this today in the news.  Holy shit alot of people may be eating crow.  BTW, wtf is with Thailand?  Do they have zero police force or any knowledge whatsoever that child predators flock to their nation??  I just don't understand.  ??? 

I still think the parents were both involved and this guy was caught after a deathbed confession by Patsy.

If you have time, read the Jon Benet story on CrimeLibrary.com and you might think otherwise - its pretty compelling evidence that they are NOT involved at all.

Interesting theory Mal.  Anything to back it up? 

I thought it was interesting too.  After 10 years, the guy is caught AFTER the chief purpetrator dies......

i dont think god gives cancer to people for punishment.

What about poor innocent children?  :-\  >:(

I think that is the greatest crime of all, that the mother, who could turn out to be innocent (even though she was never even found guilty!!!), never got to know that her child's killer was found and brought to justice.

It also appears Patsy knew that the authorities were tracking the suspect now in custody BEFORE she died.....

A huge sextrade........

That is a shame really.

Man, I forgot a lot of the details about this case.  Her murder was so brutal and horrific.  I can't imagine what her last moments must have been like.  Just sheer terror.

IF this is the guy, I hope he burns.

I heard somewhere a lot of Western child molestors head to Thailand and cross into Cambodia where you can buy eight year old virgins in certain villages and all sorts of sick shit.

Someone else already mentioned it but I agree that it would be a tragedy if this guy was proven to be the murderer and Jon-Benet's mother died without feeling some sort of closure or knowing that justice had been done. Whoever did this to her will rot in hell  :(

I just heard on the news that primary school teacher has confessed to killing her but claimed it was an 'accident'.  >:(

Whoa...this is freaky.  Check out this sketch drawing by a psychic in 1998, two years after the murder.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/epilogue_12.html

Looks A LOT like the guy they just found if you ask me. 

His comments in todays news are really sick.  he "was in love with her"??????  SHE WAS SIX!!!!

Wow...that's really, really freaky...that was one good psychic.

The guy claims JonBenet's death was accidental, but yet, there was a ransom note and she was drugged?  Something doesn't add up.  Either this guy is not involved, is involved but didn't kill her, or is trying to gain some degree of leniency.

For those talking about child sex trade being big in Southeast Asia, that's not the only place.  Look for declassified documents on MK-ULTRA, the Ted Gunderson Report, John DeCamp and  "The Franklin Cover-Up," court testimonies of Paul Bonacci, Alicia Owen, and any information on Johnny Gosch.  It's not only a phenomenon in Southeast Asia.

I still have my suspicions on the family being somehow involved.  Just because there was one arrest doesn't mean there aren't others involved.

There are sooooo many wierd facts about this case that either we don't know all the evidence to put the pieces together or the evidence/investigation was botched in the first place leaving the case almost unsolvable.

As much as I'd like to see this case closed, I am having some big time reservations about this guy being the killer.  He says he drugged her, yet they found no drug/alcohol in her system during the autopsy.  He might just be some desperate pycho who wants attention.  Apparently he was very into the case as it was developing a while ago and he wrote to Patsy before she died saying how sorry he was that jonbenet died.  It is common though for perpetrators of a crime to want to become involved in the investigation.....who knows.  I guess we'll learn more in the days/weeks to come.  Sadly I fear this is going to be major news headlines for the next few weeks too, much the way the media sharks had a feeding frenzy over it the first time...   :-\

Yeah, I think it's just gonna turn out this guy is a nutcase. They asked him about it & every response was "I can't tell you".. I think he's either crazy, who became soo infatuated with the crime that he now actually believes he killed her, or in some desperation for attention (for some crazy reason) is admitting to it.  They keep saying he was a neighbor, but he was a neighbor when they lived in Georgia, not Colorado.. Also, his wife is saying he lived in Georgia at the time, although, I can't vouch for his wife's credibility either.


Maybe he knew he was being arrested for child prostitution, so he figured if he's getting arrested for something that bad, just go out with a bang & get nailed for something big while he's at it.

Keep in mind this person was sought out by the police.  He did not go to them and "confess" with a false story, which I know a lot of crazy people do in high profile cases. 
I admit I always thought the father was involved, and her mother involved in probably helping him cover it up, but I think we can take this suspect at his word.  More information will come out soon, but I hope people don't hold onto their suspicions of the family in the face of this new evidence.
Also, regarding the drugs... certain drugs and chemicals in the body can not be detected either because they break down too quickly or they can't be detected unless they are specifically looked for.  For example, potassium chloride is very lethal but can be missed on an autopsy.  Pathologists miss things on autopsies all the time. 

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pass blame back on the family.. I just think this guy is a nutcase. Maybe I'm wrong.

Let's not forget, being moved here gets this suspect out of Thailand and away from the potential punishment he was saet to receive there.  Basically, he got himself deported and now it appears thay have a flimsy case against him so far.

As for potassium chloride, that would likely kill a person, not set them into a haze like drugs would.  It could be missed, but what drug-like purpose does it serve?  Most likely, a kidnapper/rapist would be using a drug to subdue the person, not kill them.  If all potential rape-related drugs were scanned for and tests came up negative, I would think it's unlikely that there were any drugs involved.

Apparently, the guy's ex-wife says he was with his family in Alabama when the murder occurred.  Also factor in that he somehow broke into the home of a multi-millionaire (you would think this home would have some high-quality security features, so either the Ramseys were irresponsible in home protection or he knew how to disable it), managed to get their kid out of her bed and down to the basement, raped and killed her, then wrote a 3-page ransom note (even wrote a couple drafts before the final one was done), and got out of the house all before the parents woke up?

I still think that if he was involved in any way, it's part of a larger number of people involved, not just a lone nutcase.

i always heard that most experts believe the note was written beforehand.  I could be wrong though....I know she did die early in the night based on the rigor mortis that had set in, which would have given the killer several hours to write the note, he had plenty of time to do so....

Supposedly, an FBI agent said once that he believed that Mrs. Ramsey wrote the letter left handed.

If you've ever read the ransom letter, it just seemd very weird and alarming. The entire letter was just completely strange and thru up alot of red flags..

i dont mean to be rude

but what's the big deal ?
they even talked about this little story on french tv news.
i dont get it.
it's just murder. what's so special?

PEACE

The media can definitely be blamed for the circus that this case has turned into. I think people find it so fascinating because Jon-Benet was involved in the beauty queen pageants, and was parading around like an 18 year old teenager even though she was what, ten? Little girls should not be made into sexual objects and I think this has added to the fascination and intrigue (and tastelessness) of the case. It's all so odd that obviously people are going to be interested.

But the 'big deal' is that an innocent child was murdered, and the murderer should be accountable for his actions.

I agree with what someone else said, it's sad that Patsy Ramsey died before this day.

I will tell you what else is sad -- even though the Ramseys weren't ever convicted of any crime, they've been put on trial for ten fucking years by an ignorant American public who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.? No citizen ever had a damn clue about the facts of this case but they've been persecuting and judging and convicting the Ramseys for ten years.? ? ?damn straight a lot of people will be eating crow.



Jon-Benet was actually about 5 when she started modeling.? She was 6 years old when she was murdered.

Don't blame the american public...blame the media.  Even now, the headling of the NY Post was "SOLVED".  uhhh, no its not.  EVERY news show last night had breaking news and "this just in" type stuff saying how they got the guy and how they can finally put closure to this mystery...uh...no you can't.  The media has become the judge and jury for the american public.  Being that its our primary outlet to information we usually believe what we hear.  Sadly, the media has become a form of entertainment and not a source of news anymore.

Im pretty sure this guy had a key to the Ramseys home and visited around Christmas. He acted strangely after Jon Bonet was found dead but the police had cleared him as a suspect. That was either this guy or another teacher.

Bullshit.? sorry buddy, you're off base on this one.  they both deserve blame.  The media certainly deserves its share of the fault for presenting potentially false information.? But the American public deseves wholehearted blame for believing every damn thing that the TV says.? and then they take it further, they start repeating stories to each other, and those stories end up taking a life of their own among the citizens.

Don't give the public a pass on the fault, they deserve the blame too.? For ten years the ignorant american public has been vilifying the Ramseys because they arbitrarily believe the crap they've been hearing on the TV set.? the media may have started the fire, but the american public has spent an entire decade throwing gasoline on it.


yeah, exactly.  and again, that's in large part the american public's fault.  if they didn't react to the media as entertainment, the media never would've reached that point.

i'm don't believe this guy is the killer. something just ain't right.

His ex-wife said that he was with her in Alabama when this happened.....

He was caught with child porn in his past, so he has a history......

 His wife does vouch for the date.

I've seen some reports tonight that think he is making the entire thing up.

Very very strange, all the way around...........

Yeah I heard that too.

Everytime you think the case is close to being solved, another curveball is thrown....

this morning i heard something about him saying he picked her up at school. but she was murdered on december 26, so there were no classes.

weird shit.

I think the perception of the media now, as opposed to ten years ago, has changed dramatically.  We used to trust the news as being the truth.  When something is reported on the news you'd just assume it was true b/c reporters would never print/say anything that wasn't factual right???  thats just how it was back then.  Now, I think after Iraq, EVERYONE takes the news with a big grain of salt.  You said its the publics fault for believing what they heard on TV, wel yeah, we SHOULD be able to trust the news!!!  I think now we know better, but go back ten years ago....different time.

go over the facts of the case again (i recommend crimelibrary.com)  you'll see how the police and the media both gave out completely incorrect facts to the public and rarely did they ever try to correct themselves when their assumptions (which were stated as fact to the public) were proven incorrect.  You would have to be well versed in the true facts of this case to know the real story - the media never reported it right.  if all anone ever told you for years was that 2+2=5, you'd believe it, even though it was wrong, it would be all you knew.  same with the facts of this case.

Maybe the title was misguided, but there is a lot of stuff that doesn't figure out like why the killer would leave a ransom note and his ex-wife vouching for his exact location. He might just be the fall man for the case (as there are some sick people who get off of attention and take the fall in cases to feed the need). The coincidences are overwhelming.

He did it. they said he knows things about jonbenets death that only police and the killer knows.

I still don't know if that means anything.  This guy had done so much research into this case, he was obsessed with it, who knows who he talked to or what he heard.  And a lot of the facts were released by the police/media after they did the autopsy, I don't know what else could be left that is secret.  Time will tell though, i think he is on his way back stateside now.

Holy cowfuckers!  :o  They dropped the charges on Karr!  His DNA didn't match!  How's THAT for a twist!?