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judging by the sound for the paris show the other night Axl is back doing the 2002 voice.....This is horrbile news! we were so excited that axl had his voice back then he has a bad nigh tliek Paris...Does anyone else realize the importance of this?? If Axl is back to the 2002 voice then everything that we had hoped for will be dashed..No real GNR fan likes the 02 voice..Maybe the 14 year old newbies who never heard Axl in his prime, or maybe the drunks in the crowd who cant tell the difference, but this is something  to keep an eye on..God, i hope it was just an off night for Axl.................What do you think Izyy was thinking, hearing that high pitch voice.....he must have been like 'what the hell happened?'......This is a big issue right now,

What are you talking about?  ::) ???

listen to the audio bootleg of the june 20, paris show....Axl's voice was HORRIBLE!! The worst of the tour by far................no more rasp or hoarse voice liek in hammersmith, budapest etc.....The high pitch horror show is back

maybe the poster sucked to much helium.

Anyone want to describe the "2002 voice" for me?

This same thread was created about 2 hours ago and moved to the Dead Horse where it is right now.
? Why create another one?

This is not dead horse material. The Paris show is the most recent and compared to Donington Axl indeed doesn't sound too good on the bootleg.

That entire idea that Axl sounded shitty in 2002 is dead horse.

If so, wait until the Graspop gig on the 24th. He's had an extra day off to give his vocal chords a break.

Might be unrelated, might not be. Regardless, wait for the next gig before saying its anything more than an isolated incident. And KOHD in Paris didn't sound helium to me.

You're listening to an absolute shit-quality bootleg.

People used to cite the 2002 Albany bootleg as proof that Axl's voice still sounded like it did in 1992, which is idiotic.

Wait for a soundboard to come out before you judge Axl's voice.

Yeah, the show was a bit higher pitched than usual for this tour so far - he hit the high notes early on in Madagascar, and Used to Love her wasn't as low as it was at Download - but hey, you know what? It was still a lot better than the '02 voice and he DID have rasp. It was the best performance of IRS yet and his mid-song scream was controlled this time, instead of sounding out-of-breath.

Knockin' On Heaven's Door rocked and sounded a lot like the way he used to perform it - faster and he even put some of the "whoa-yea-yeahs" in - and at one point he accidentally began singing one of the "whoas" he used to do in the Illusion era that he cut from the new version of the song - and quickly recovered and skipped to the next verse. I thought it was fantastic and nostalgic.

So, whatever.

I read an article that said the Paris show was the BEST show to date.  So I guess everyone has a different take.  I'm not worried.

I haven't listened to the Paris boots yet  but if his voice sounds like 2002   it is not good news.   I wouldn't worry about it unless a does it 2 shows in a row .    If this is indeed true  then i guess it answers our question about whether he was singing with the high pitch on purpose in 02' .  Why he would choose to sing that way is beyond me,  someone needs to tell him he sounds like shit and should sing with the reasp all the time .   

to all you people who do not know what we are talking about when we say 2002 voice get a clue and listen to a bootleg................to the people who liek the 2002 voice i hate to admit it but you are not true gnr fans..........i was just listening to july 29,1991 inglewood...god was his voice awesome...total rasp and hoarseness...shredded sweet child and jungle.....thats the beauty of bootlegs, if axls voice is shot now we can relive the glory days any time we want

I got use to the 2002 voice but now that it's 2006 and he is sounding really good I cant listen to. I haven't watched or heard anything from 2002 since Hammerstein

I like his 2002 voice on The Blues, Madagascar, KOHD, and LLAD. That voice suits those songs.

what exactly is a 'true Gnr fan'?

TO all you fools that claim to know GNR, make me laugh, lol, since Ive been around and seen the band since 1987 live back in the day, so really STFU! YOu can also relive your asinine dreams .lol

I just listened to the Paris bootlegs  and his voice does sound high pitch  , but it's not horrible.   You can tell he is  singing like this intentionally , maybe he decided to take a night off on the rasping to save his voice .   The problem with Axl singing with the high pitch voice isn't that the voice is horrible  it's just that it isn't Axl .  The thing that made Axl so unique was his voice. When he sings with the rasp  he is Axl Rose  , but when he sings with a clean voice  he's just a very good  generic  80's singer.   Let's hope this was just a one show thing  and he returns with the rasp on the next show. 

BUt remeber swingtrader, he even said himself on the eddie trunck interview concerning the new album, that people will will like it and others will will be like "this isnt axl". so bottom line, is ..its his voicew he can use it and sing with it as je pleases and it relly doesnt matter what you , me or anyome thinks. At the end of the day when all is said and done he is doin it the way yhe wants.

Your talking as if it's a completely different guy and a entiring different voice well it ain't. Same when people say this lineup is better then the 2002 lineup, all they are doing is going on image because this still is the same lineup from 2002 with one exception.

dumbest thred ever.

dumbest thred ever.

I'm sory,you are woried about Axl's voice like everybody here,but this topic is big ballshit!!!
there are reasons
In 2003 i talked with profesor of music academy in belgrade (women finished university in london),and i talked with her about how some musican could lose  or change his voice!!!she said me this "Axl Rose can back his voice again if he work very hard".I said ok,but why did he lost his voice and she said me that Axl didn't sing for a years,and his voice had mutation because he probably listened other musicans and without his mind he change the voice.

And he didn't lost his voice for a one show,this is very funny!!!
His voice are back,and his voice will be like in donington for a years

If he had a bad night he had a bad night.... No big deal , I mean shit everyone has off nights, no need to get upset... Can't have only threads of saying how amazing eevrything is...

2002 voice, maybe you mean vmas voice... The again I only know msg 2002 for sure where he sounded really good..

if it's constant that's a problem, one show. eh..  I definetly heard better betters then download

Dude fuck off. Axl sounds great. I don't know why you feel the need to bitch about a gig that you weren't even at, and he sounds fine anyway.

You just don't get it do you. When you 44 and sing with a hardcore rasp you won't have a voice for a week... it bangs you vocal chords together and destroys them. And he still does have a rasp he just uses it selectely so that he can sing night after night.

If you don't like it don't fucking download it.

Anyway I think he sounds awesome and really enjoy the bootlegs.

I WAS AT THE PARIS SHOW and his voice was phenomenal!
This thread is dumb.

As a singer well versed in vocal techniques, I can tell you that the vocal technique Axl used in 2001-2002 is a less straining way of singing in a higher range in contrast to his Illusion/current style. While listening to recently recorded bootlegs, hearing the strain on his vocal chords progress, it's not difficult to understand that he is being intelligent about it and decided to revert to a less straining and safer way of using his voice, it's a precaution to ensure that he can go on with the tour and not cancel dates due to throat problems and maybe even having to have surgery, if not careful. However, listening to the Paris bootleg, ?it's not a complete reversion, he uses the safer style in certain songs when needed, while at other times not so much. And, personally, I think it sounds great.

What a boring discusssion. There's good and bad nights and it's not a big deal. Each show is different and unique and it doesn't matter if you're a singer, drummer, guitar player or whatever. We all know that Axl is in excellent shape and there's nothing to complain about!

breath in n' out dude for fucks sake............ :o

i was at the show and his voice was a bit strange at the end, especially during CD. Anyway I think he had a cold or something, between songs he was with his handkerchief.

i think you might be right. i'm listening to the show now and you can tell when he's talking he sounds a bit stuffed up.

You know, for once we actually agree.

The way he sang KOHD was amazing.

i just think he sounded bad in I.R.S. but owell.

His voice is fine. I thought it sounded bad on the download audience recordings. But then comes the pro shot tv stuff and he sounded fucking badass.

What I find more interesting, are the ten or so people, who in a very organized and somewhat intelligent way, create these types of posts to spread general disinformation regarding this incarnation of GNR.   I cannot put my finger on it, but I would imagine they are either connected to Slash/Duff's legal team, or Velvet Revolver?   It's classic disinformation, but the methods used are too organized and obvious for it just be random idiots.  I would, if I was a moderator, be ready to pounce and delete these topics when they come up.  Threads like this serve no purpose.   I would suggest banning many of these pathetic fools.

Its always the same few people, and the funny thing is I bet they have not even gone to a show live to really give a good opinion on Axls voice

His voice is getting better and  better as the tour rolls on. By the USA tour I have no doubt he will be close to what his voice was like in 91-93

i love these bootleg critics ::)

go see a show for yourself then judge....bootlegs are no comparison for the real deal :peace:

AdZ agreeing with nesquick??? :o
Isn't that a sign of The Apocalypse!!!? :nervous:

either that or a CD release :hihi:

LOL..I'm sorry Dave, but this harkens back to the EXACT same conversation we had about a month or so ago where I told you the EXACT sme thing.

:)

I just hadda chuckle...

you guys are asses!!!!


axl is doing show after show after show. if YOU think his voice is taking a dive, keep it to yourself! We finally have Axl back and you start saying he doesn't like now how he did last week....WTF????? Axl's voice sounds great, paris sounded great.

HAVE YOU DONE LIVE SHOWS? DO U KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO DO SHOW AFTER SHOW, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT? RATHER THEN CANCEL SHOWS, AXL IS DOING THEM ALL AND DOING THEM 100000% AND HE'S HAPPY.

the poster is an ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well i hope his voice sounds as good as it did at donnington, thats partly the reason i paid to go see gnr cause his voice had gotten awesome again.

I was at the Toronto, Ontario & London, Ontario shows in 2002 and he sounded Great in Toronto and Good in London.

I was there and didn't hear his 2002 voice at all. I saw them in Dublin as well and I thought he sounded better in Paris. Relax guys, really.

i don't get it. 4 years ago everybody was going crazy about how good axl's voice was. and now all of a sudden his voice wasn't that great after all?! stop this BS, axl is just doing fine!

His voice was fine in 2004 its just more raspy now and that is what more people like.

I agree that we don't need to make a big deal out of this , it's only one show .  But once the USA tour comes around , he has to atleast sing like he did in Donnington  or else the press   and fans ( casual)  are going to be repeating the same things they were  in 02'   "his voice  is shot and no longer has the power".

Axl's voice was amazing at the Paris show, definitely not 02-like

i must admit, even thought this has only happened at one show, im worried. hopefully this extra day off because of Brain will help him as well. since the new york shows, Axl's voice has been better than ever, and id hate to have to hear that voice from 02 again(granted it was ok on some songs such as The Blues and SCOM)

What a stupid fucking thread. Havent you got anything better to do than start stupid threads like this? Axl is sounding absolutely fucking awesome, so are the band. When somebody who uses this board who was at the show as well posts a message to say that Axl sounded amazing and the gig was wicked, that should be the end of it. Come on sort yourself out! There has got to be more to life than starting pathetic threads like this, I cant believe it hasnt been locked yet! Mike

to all of you people screaming that Axl's 2002 voice is great, and everything is great, paris was great, etc etc you sound like people in denial!!!!! Dude, 80 percent of people who heard Axl in 02 said the same thing..." What happened to Axl's voice?" 'Its no longer as strong or powerful."...What do you think this is some figment of my imagination...Just admit that his voice was terrible in 02 and did not sound like the Axl we all know and love.............And he was bringing the raspness voice back this year until the Paris show which reverted back to high pitch 02 like sounding voice..........To all the fanboys screaming about how dare I bring this up, stop living in denial, stop screaming about how I am raining on the parade....Maybe I will be like you and just say everything is great, axl is god, his voice is better than ever......bumblefoot is better than slash, et.cetc.........I know if Axl comes back to the USA with that high pitched crap everyone (media, other musicians) are going to destroy him and it will be as embarrassing as the 02 fiasco.........the 02 VMA'S set GNR back a couple years here in te USA...........Seems like a lot of GNR fans agree the o2 voice sucked.....and if the 02 voice is now the 06 voice that will be big trouble on the horizon..........

The voice was brilliant, i was there, so now shut up and quit oversleeping, you obviously got it wrong. :rant:

When people said they loved his '02 voice back in 2002 tour, I was like are these people insane? ?His voice is much better now, and there are no signs that I have heard that would indicate otherwise. ?Keep it goin Axl. ?I particularly love his voice at the end of IRS from Rock in Rio, it is bad ass.

Jesus, you're a twit. THe last thing this forum needs is some halfwit who knows fuck all about singing coming on here and telling everyone that if you like what Axl's voice sounds like now, you're not a true gnr fan. Get bent. I'm done making rational responses that are based in fact.

i mentionned two professionals who sat in front of me in paris ( who REALLY enjoyed better, they actually sent a mail through phone to say it was a potential hit)

These two men were very happily surprised by axl's voice.

We ALL WERE.

So just shut the fuck up.

His voice was incredible.

Well I haven't heard a bootleg from the Paris show yet but I cannot imagine that Axl's voice sounded as in 02. If it does I have to agree with the people who say that he sounded shit in 02. That "scrotum cut off"-voice was along with Buckethead being in the band one of the big dissapointments when Axl finally came out of his house in 2001. Everyone who goes like "But his 2002 voice sounded fine to SCOM or The Blues.": I'd like to hear the 2006 voice over the 2002 voice to sing these songs. As mentioned before: Everyone who liked the 2002 voice ain't a real GNR fan otherwise they wouldn't rate this voice higher than the old Illusion-tour voice.

That is funny because walking out of the boston 2002 show everyone in front of me walking out was screaming Axl is back, his voice was amazing. And those are not people from the boards. BTW you claimed to have heard the paris show where are the files? I have just found a few. Dont tell me you judges axl on two or three songs now?

Who are you people that go around deciding who is and isn't a true fan of this band? It's seriously annoying! I've been into Guns since 1987 and no one is going to tell me that I'm not a fan just because I support the singer getting some decent vocal technique. Have you heard Brian Johnson lately? That's where the Illusion voice was headed.

Same old shit ..some people like the way he is singing now...some people arent...this bitch needs to be pretty tied up and dead horsed.

I just go and say if you like that voice over the raspy one you did not do your homework properly, "fan no.1"!  :peace:

Well, guess I'm not a fan either.  I've been in love with the band since '88 myself.  I liked both the "2002 voice" and the one he's been using recently.

Fuck it, guess I don't fuckin belong here, huh?  >:(

Yeah, I guess it's a matter of opinion. Some people just have to stir things up - focus on the negative etc. I personally couldn't deal with his voice on the Illusion tour because it sounded so much worse than on the Appetite stuff. Anyway, I don't really believe that I'm bothering to get angry about this debate, since it has nothing to do with me. I do think it's ironic that everybody who thinks he sounds bad hasn't seen a show, and most of the people who have been to shows were wildly impressed by his range and power. Maybe you should get out of the house more often. ;D

On a more musical note, for the people who call it the "high-pitched" voice - he is singing the same tones at every show. The songs don't change - it's a question of tone, not pitch people. If you don't believe the things I say about his voice, ie. that the Illusion style of singing couldn't last, and that this style gives more longevity, and more ability to sing the songs correctly, you obviously have the internet - how about doing some searches about vocal technique, what creates nodes and polyps on vocal cords, etc.? It would educate you, and stop me from sounding like a jerk every time I try to correct some of you who don't know what the hell you're talking about. Better yet - I'm sure you have some great ideas about quantum physics, and string theory. Why don't you call Stephen Hawking up and tell him how he could improve his work?

Yes but could he pick up the phone?

Maybe, but can he do it as well as he did in 1992?

This topic needs to be changed anyway. I vote we talk about quantum physics and time theory and how it applies to Axl's voice.

I've only listened to a handful of songs so far on this Paris bootleg and I don't know what the fucking fuss is about?  I think is sounds good.  Considering all of the fucking shows he is doing and also considering just what it takes to get up onstage and be Axl Rose.  He doesn't have an easy job by any means but regardless of all the bitching and worries, I think he still sounds good.  Some people here judge him way too harsh and expect to him to sound perfect all the fucking time.  You get up there and do what he does day in and day out and see how you sound.

The thing I laugh at the people who complain he is not using the rasp for the last show is, Axl barely used a rasp before the UYI tour, he got the rasp because he messed up his throat.

true words.
shut the fuck up complainers be happy axl is back, and rocking better than ever! :smoking:

As if they are playing for bootleggers?
Basically, no one who was at a show this year or 2002 says Axl sounded horrid then.
Go record your own singing or your friends on your cell phone or whatever and see the difference between  the live voice and recording. : ok:


Me too. Both are in the trained and developed form of AFD era voice, er voices as he has many.

How about "you were not a true fan if you rank the UYI tour voice higher than the AFD era voice. " :hihi:

OH NO GNR is really fucked this time.  Axl is showing up and singing using the 2002 voice.  They should cancel the tour and scrap all the new material. 

I  mean r u serious.  They've done 17 shows, playing their asses off at all of them.  Playing almost every other night, and have been pretty consistent with their performances.  His 2002 wasnt bad, I listened to some songs, its clear and loud, but doesnt have that raw sound to it.  But that does not mean bad news for GNR

Um...what year of the UYI tour?

Axl is getting his voice ready for the US tour this fall. He is testing his voice and seeing how far he can push it so he wont crap out on him like after the first  hammerstein show. He sounded amazing at that show but lost his voice and luckly Baz was there for save the day. Plus Axl was always up and down even back in the day. I heard some of the France shows and he sounded fine.

I dont think Axl is tuning for the American tour. I think he was tuning before the tour started and now it is just the natural progression(if there is one ,meaning change) that one has when havent been singing for four years (though some would say 13 I suppose...or even twenty for that matter). I would NEVER call the European tour a tune up for anything (though some thought otherwise in a former post I had... see Budapest if you have a few hours to kill).

If you think the AXL high pitch crapof 02 sounded better than the Illusion tour I have onbe thing so say to you....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....what a joke....I will take the 1991-hoarse Axl any day of the week over the 02 high pitch crap that sounded like he had his nuts in a vice......And by the way, to the people who say they were at the shows and his voice is great and we dont know what we are talking about cuz we werent at the show--- it is a lot easier to judge his voice in the privacy of your own home listening on a bootleg then being at the show with 40,000 screaming drunks screaming at the top of their lungs screaming over axl.................as for the illusion tour he used 3 different styles and none of them were high pitched crap...........91 was when he did the rasp and hoarse style 100 percent and was badass but we would have destoryed his throat had it continued.........92 was a mix of rasp and clean but because of throat problems it was up and down yet even on off nights he still was able to rock that shit.........and for the people who thought he thrashed his voice in 92 on the metallica.faith no more tour his voice in 1993 might have been the best ever...it was raspy and clean without being high pitched.....................

funny how all you were like 2002 his voice sounds better than ever.

2006 his voice is better than ever again.

stfu  :yes:

that voice right there GONE :rofl:

As I said, record your own singing or your friends on your cell phone or whatever and see the difference between  the live voice and that on crappy recording. Plus Take some voice training lessens yourself to understand what Axl's doing.


I guess it's in '92 when he shouted himself hoarse most.

theres no difference between now and 2002....axl was just out of shape at the time...that makes all the difference...so when is out of breath...his helium voice comin up...fuck...2002 was fuckin great and now its greater..stop fuckin complainin,,,,btw.i just watched scom from the paris concert ans he sounded fuckin great!!!!!!

It just occurs to me, that whenever Ive even attended a concert the next day my own voice is hoarse from cheering screaming and hollaring, and thats from just attending a concert, I cant imagine what happens to your voice when your singing it at different pitches and straining it night after night on a tour.