Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqUDKa1Hdfw

at the 5.45 mark is when Tommy Flips ive searched and seen nothing hit him un less its Axl with the mike stand or what i dont know see for yourself

this video is from audience but videoing the stage

There was another video of this song, shot at the screen (I think maybe you recorded it?) But you can clearly see Tommy get hit with something and then go nuts.

i never saw anything hit him in that video either just him go crazy like the other one there just doesnt appear to be a projectile on screen at any point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyDje3LsHY0

I never saw anything either  :hihi:

It was a invisible piss b in the fuck Tommy head  :confused:

still does not show a projectile  ???



yeah whatever :no: 

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and tell me Tommy was still hit with anything?? i think he could see Axl was about to go off the rails and he took action

weird. I see nothing...? :-\ (hitting Tommy)

That's what I could see from the videos.
I think if a pb hit Tommy then or not is not important.
Obviously so many piss bottles had been thrown at the members already.

i think it hit the camera dude !!

i remember at the gig axl said to the camera dude "you've had a bad night, first a piss bottle then a guitar now some gum" ??? camera dude had gum in his hair!  :-\

He didn't actually get hit....he probably thoguht it was heading for him and moved when it probably fell a few meters away.....but if you see something coming at you're going to move....even if it's travelling in a slightly different direction....

Just watched the video. That was the most I seen Axl pissed in along time. He was fucking angry. You know the axl of 15 years ago would of said fu and been done for the day. Axl knows he has to hold it together atleast till the album commes out, becuase then the album will speak for itself.

That must be a lot of presssure on him to be at his best behavior speaclly from the american promotors if he want's to tour Us in the winter , considering the way 2002 tour ended, if he flipped and a riot began no one would blame the guys throing the bottles

damn ........poor axl =(

he seems so sad and depressed in that video =(

who cares what he got hit by,  I think they crowd chanting "We want slash" is a hotter topic

from where i was in the crowd i could hardly hear those chants at all, and by the time the show ended they'd long since finished.

is there any clear/full shots of tommy throwing then smashing his bass? I've seen the one where you see a split second of him throwing it ....

Wow, 2 things there..... Out of all the GNR shows i've watched, i've NEVER seen a member take the mic from Axl's hands to rant... Tommy has got balls, and is true Rock N' Roll...And Axl seemed to agree 100%... And 2nd Tommy is a classy guy, but boy he was pissed  :hihi:

I don't think any of the bottle I saw getting thrown had piss in them.  People just assume they are piss bottles but most were just bottles of water. 

He had all right to be pissed that crowd sucked in the first place secondly he was performing when he gets wacked upside the head... that crowd had a bunch of fucking assholes in it!

Ha what a joke. a hired hand threatening 2 go home! Fuck off then!  who the fuck is tommy stintston!?

just a warning u gonna get flammed for that ^^^^

Tommy Stinson is a member of Guns N' Roses. This is a message board about Guns N' Roses.

Who the fuck are you?

Seriously, dont bother. Just delete these posts. They dont matter.

did tell him christos!

If they want Slash they can go see Velvet Revolver.

Stupid people, throwing piss bottles.

Axl should do like in the past, say "if you see someone throwing things, beat the shit out of him". Period.

The band ruled that night, congrats guys. No an easy crowd, and they won them over.

Hmmm...

I've just checked his posts. After these 2... I don't care enough to find out who he is...



History always teaches a lot...

Who cares what's in them? Throwing shit at the stage is fuckin' stupid.

Throwing shit is disgusting.

I just watched the two videos posted and that's bullshit. Stupid fat fucking metal fans, I hate the bastards. If they want Slash why the fuck are they watching the GnR set? When I went to VR there were no we want Axl chants. And at GnR in Dublin the only Slash related chants were Who needs Slash. Disrespectful fat fucks why don't they just go and watch some debaucherist benders sing about satan and killing people and shit like that and fuck off away from GnR. What bullshit.

Talk about disrespectful...

these people just sound like drunk assholes!

I love Slash as much as the next GnR fan but at least he wasn't there. They're saying we want Slash directly to Axl's face, he's worked long and hard enough to rebuild GnR without havin some fat drunken metallers saying that shit to him when he's trying to entertain the pricks. Fuckin assholes the lot of em.

Ok, point taken... it just sounded like you thought it was 'ok' to diss Slash but not 'ok' to diss the new guys.

It's incredible how calm Axl seems. He really seems to have found his inner peace somehow. I really wonder how he managed this. Well, however, I'm happy that he seems to feel well.

You know tommy has been in the band just as long as duff now right?

By watching several clips of the show, I think we went close to some kind of incident there. During Better especially, I thought Axl would have left the stage :yes:

Is that is girlfriend on the left side of the stage, with Beta ?

Tommy definitly rocks. What a great surprised face by Axl when he grapped his microphone lol :beer:

Tommy's great, but I think production is more important than time in terms of band tenure. 

yes that is diane o'connor, axls girlfriend

and yes tommy does rock, he is defintley my favorite member of this band, followed closely by all the other members lol

axls face was priceless  :hihi:

Ha! he's spent most of this time doing his side project. You cannot be seriously suggestin his time spent waitin about for axl to get his finger out his ass is as significant as Duff's time in Guns N' Roses.

back to my original reply- Im fully aware of who Tommy is - he's an Axl hired hand and the idea of him takin a tamtrum and threatin to go home is laughable. Just take gettin the piss bottles thrown and play the fucking gig! i've seen other artists take alot worst and still play a rockin set.  U know why ur gettin piss bottles thrown at you Tommy? coz ur in a Guns N' Roses kareoke band!  And no one other than message board die hards in denile will ever consider this to be Guns N'Roses.

Anyway - I love Axl's band and his new music. it was a great gig. Quit ur moaning Tommy coz ur an exspendable asset.

thats a retarded fucking statement.   who the hell are you?

thats a retarded fucking statement.? ?who the hell are you?

exactly what i was thinking

Tommy is one of the most important members in this band.   Hes been there for almost a decade now, and he's always at Axl's side on stage, bullshiting and laughing.   Axl didn't have that kind of professional relationship with the old members, its guys like Tommy that are keeping Axl on stage nowadays. IMO.

Or no one other than some message board old band die hards in denial will even argue against this not being Guns N'Roses in the near future.

Tommy is one of the most important members in this band.? ?Hes been there for almost a decade now, and he's always at Axl's side on stage, bullshiting and laughing.? ?Axl didn't have that kind of professional relationship with the old members, its guys like Tommy that are keeping Axl on stage nowadays. IMO.

tommy is one of my favorite members ever, before i was agreeing with you, not with the other  guy who has a problem with tommy, i love tommy, i think hes amazing and i think hes the guy taht keeps gnr together

Not quite Duff: 1985-1997 Tommy: 1997-2006. But point taken. Tommy certainly is an extremely important part of GnR nowadays. And is far from expendable as was said earlier.

why are people shocked a few chanted for slash or duf, I mean people don't all know the deal and they may really want the gnr they knew and loved.. if you want to continue a worldy famous band with none of the other people that created the music we love then you have to expect some of this..

many metal heads and hard rock fans that might have been there for other reasons don't agree with this change...

Mike, I don't want to be an ass, but you say the same thing over, over and over again in different threads.

It's getting annoying, we know how you feel.

well everyone says the same thing too, like it's a new band it's this or that drug addict isn't in the band or the new band is better, or I never want the old band back

As long as this is a gnr forum you have to take both sides.....

I wouldn't know tommy stinson if he was sitting next to me, I'm sure most had no clue who he was either

anyways wether reviews or opinions if it's not lovey dovey eevryone gets so bent and knocks everyone....

it would suck if everyone looked through the one way mirror all day, there'd be no reality

You can just see if that was the old days axl would have either jumped in or stormed off, he really tried to keep calm..

cos he didn't have Tommy beside him.

Haha...no i think that he just knows that he's gotta do this right this time...and he's older and not as hot headed....none of the old guys wanted riots and cancellations either :no:

and he's aware that alot of oldtime gnr fans are pissed about this being a new band with the GnR name...he won't win them back by alienating them...he's gotta prove to them that these guys are for real and win them back...at least that's how i see it

according to the NME's scaving review the festival was put on an Amber Alert because of the problems GNR was having red being the next stage and that was evacuation

so they say anyhow

I wouldn't say shocked but it's an incredibly disrespectul thing to do.

If people don't agree with "this change" and want to whine about it then they should go to a VR gig and chant for "Guns N' Roses", because there are the two guys who quit GNR. Of course, it would also be wrong and disrespectful so I'm not saying anyone should do that; people should just accept that Slash and Duff didn't want to be in GNR anymore and just fucking move on with their lives. It's been 10 years already.

My advice to anyone chanting Slash at a GNR gig in 2006 or GNR at a VR gig is to stay the fuck home watching old videos. And if you don't hopefully you'll get kicked in the balls.

Tere is no excuse for people to throw shit at anyone at a concert.  That is just a case of the crowd acting like a bunch of drunk idiots.  Don't drink if you can't handle your alcohol.  But all these videos are focused on Axl most of the time, so to say I see nothing hitting Tommy is irrelevant, because the camera is not on him that much!

bravo on both, plus they are not the mega chart ruling band anymore or the band anymore.. 1991 axl's gone or in the crowd, this is last chance time

yup.
exactly.

neither did Axl. But shit happens when you're alone in dealing with all the nuisanses on the stage, I guess.

yeah it just kinda built up to a point where he couldn't handle it and kinda like the straw that broke the camel's back....but this time out he seems able to just let the little shit slide off...i think it's just being at peace with himself i don't think it has anything to do directly with Tommy....hell Tommy pulled off an Axl sized threat at Download :hihi: problem is i think it was an empty threat but because of GnR's past the threat was taken to heart :hihi:

indeed, its extremely disresepctful and in bad taste.   Good post.  If its not someones cup of tea, they dont have to be there.  Chanting for Slash to the band tahts up on stage isn't going to do any good.   

Its happens with all bands that change out a member... let alone an entire band! Its bound to happen just ignore it!

the thing with the slash chants is their not playing to a 100% GNR crowd, so ur bound to get some smart arse's in the crowd.

Why would anyone got to vr gig wanting gnr, the sign clearly says vr, at a gnr gig some might expect something else

To put it simple at a vr gig you don't expect axl, at a gnr gig to some who isn't swift on new gnr they might be let down...
When oh my god first aired I didn't know who was in gnr really, I had no idea it was still going on, that's the truth..

Throwing anything period wether a concert or a baseball game is wrong :beer:

true mr rage, if other bands played I might not know anyone but who I remembered and would be like WTF is this, and who are they

Difference between a multi band festival and an actual new gnr concert..

Surely now Axl seems to be prudent and able to control himself well.
My point is that Tommy's expressing his righteous anger against flying pissbottles also helped Axl stay cool.
Beside, the mood of the place changed after that, didn't it?

when i saw VR there were some Axl chants...quite a few actually...and there were where's slash chants when i saw gnr in '02....alot of casual fans just want Axl and Slash together (and diehards too i suppose, diehards are just informed to the band composition is all)


Haha yeah it did but like i said i have a feeling it woulda been an empty threat, but I'm just glad it went down without something drastic happening...to see that means to me like he's not gonna let anything stop him this time :beer:

...and you have a point to see Tommy pissed, it might have made him feel better to see that the rest of the guys were pissed-off too...who knows...

I mean yeah that's what many want, it's like both sets of guys are all making music now, why not together..? Believe me I wish axl was up there to a point too when I see slash n duff.. i think it's normal being that's the only way I remember them.. trust me the die hards want it, that's what makes em die hards... There's tons of axl only fans so it's not a biggie to them

I see your point, I meant he would have just did a st louis back in the day.. he definetly helped grabbing the mic.. But when axl's ready to fly it doesn't matter who is there :hihi: I didn't see the rest so I can't say anything..

here's a different one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyDje3LsHY0
No dout he gets hit, just hard to see, I see reaction more then anything

i would be just as pissed off, if not more, myself. what a bunch of fucking idiots showing up to a concert just to moan.

if this is a festival then they might not have been there for new gnr only.

another point to make is, GNR were the last act on, why hang around just 2 mock em?

Are you kidding me?  There are tons of bands I'd love to hang around to mock ... I'd wait a long time to make fun of and scream at Metallica, for one. 

Obviously there are people who feel the same way about GNR ... and I can see why they might.

guess they figured they were already there and drunk so why not break some balls

90% of the bands at Download were mock worthy for sure. An all out Emo and Nu-Metal fest. At least Jonathan Davis had the decency to not even show up, the twat. Blood poisoning, hmmmm, probably just spilt some lite beer on his stupid tracksuit which brought back so many terrible memories of abuse for the man.

That rant asides, I would say GnR are definitely mockable to people who dont like them - Scuse the poor joke but its so easy to take the piss out of a guy whos been pretty much in hiding for 10+ making a mythical album that has been showcased by (mostly) piano driven rock with an 8 piece band after ousting his entire previous band (save for Mr Dizzy 'Bongoes' Reed of course) and still calling it the same name. He doesnt help himself and thats what Im basically trying to say.

I mean, people dont go to an Ozzy show and pretend its Sabbath do they? Or a McCartney show and claim to have seen the Beatles?! If people mock then I can see why to be honest.

that does make a lot of sense, I mean there are people that were devote to gnr, or love afd and remember how cool gnr was bursting out on the sene,,, I mean this is drastic changes all done in the shadows really after the band's courtship...  It's pretty easy to get what you're saying...

Nice to see someone agree before I get shot down in flames Mike!

The point is - If you set yourself up to be a target, then your gonna be a target.

Not everyone in the world shares the views of the majority of people on these boards.

Seems straightforward to me.

this new GNR will be only really considered like a band when Chineses Democracy comes out. while they keep playing the old hits they're gonna always hear things like "wheres slash?" "this is a Axl's band".
This new band still need to prove that they are good enough to carry the name GUNS N ROSES.

Well we follow this shit very closely, I don't know if say a Motley crue metallica fan who just likes his bands would know the exact story line we do.. When band members switch or they miss shows I couldn't tell you I know about it, I just know the band name and who I remember in it..

yup they need an album and a tour with mostly their OWN music

Seems another dead horse off topic to me. ::)


They're just sad people.

ppbebe I bet many of the people who stayed around were gnr fans, just not digging the whole change.. Plus they were drunk and that might bring out true feelings you might have held back otherwise..

when bands play festivals your should expect things like this to happen, especially if its a band people know and love but with new members which some people will refuse to accept are just as good if not better than the original lot

also some people just get bored and have a bottle in their hands so throw it

"why hang around just 2 mock em?" was the question.
How come the fans could be there just to mock the band?
I'd say they were haters who love to hate anything available.

Who gives a shit either way?-get over it. People booed the old band too...tickets are being sold to shows and the band is getting paid. That is all that counts. You start to worry and debate why people do things when people stop buying tickets. Until then, shut the hell up about some drunk metal meatheads. Everybody looked like they were having a blast at the end of the show and reviews are atleast 90% favorable from the critics. Everything is going fine. :(

I don't think they stayed around just to mock them that's what I'm saying.. The end results and the intensions are two different things

Cool gnr is playing, then you look up and say wtf who's this

Great, then next time they will know not to come to the show. Better for everybody if they don't show up.  >:(

Mike Read the post before yours and explain why the hell those People booed the old band.

See as how my account makes more sense.

How the hell should I know... Anything can happen at a festival.. people get booed all the time
if they stayed to moch tem then it's fucked up, but not  a big fucking deal, they were there already and wanted to break balls

maybe they were shocked at the difference and it's still called gnr..

I understand the booooing, they didn't like it and decide to express, like Mike says it's a festival but the freaking piss bottle fight  :no: what the hell is that

it's drunks, at hammerstein I pissed in cups and shit because I didn't want to lose my spot, but I wasn't going to launch them, unfortanetly they did..

w
Again do you read posts or not?
It's obvious that there're always wankers who love to mock whatever available. And here comes a soft taget.
The thing is that they lost to the band.  The game was GNRs. Great team play.