Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 I'm not counting Pittman.

The same reason Pittman's not in my avatar. He's Teddy Zig Zag 2K.

he's busy doing something, he hasn't updated his website in too long. It is unlike him.

You are kidding right? Pittman does a lot more than you think.

You are kidding right? Pittman does a lot more than you think. He does all the synth and effects and samples, he is going? to have a huge role when gnr play mostly new songs.

Would anyone else, besides me, be interested in his solo work? I'd like to get a petition going.

Please...Come on...::)

He's an absolute eye candy for a lot of chicks. You can't argue that. :hihi:

Please...Come on...::)

:love: Robin? :love:

eye candy!

don't get me started and make me whip out the robin pics...
the guy is beautiful

and nesquick... unless you are female... if I were you i wouldn't offer any more opinion's on the topic of Robin's sex appeal ;)
 :peace:

What's this? You posting in a thread about Robin Finck. I'm shocked!


Maybe he's been occupying himself with birdwatching? ;)



/jarmo

You are kidding right? Pittman does a lot more than you think. He does all the synth and effects and samples, he is going? to have a huge role when gnr play mostly new songs.

get started and whip out the robin picks, I haven't seen that many.

(http://www.gnrlies.com/Images/Finck/robin20finck12.jpg)

this one is great !

robin is cooler than slash.

Ok.? ?::)

I guess this is some kind of opinion right?? Because that is just the pinnacle of lunacy, especially to state that on a GNR board.? Goddamn some of the weird things you find on a GNR forum sometimes make me want to rethink having anything to do with modern day GNR fans.   I would find a statement like that sacriliege.

Ok.   ::)

I guess this is some kind of opinion right?  Because that is just the pinnacle of lunacy, especially to state that on a GNR board.  Goddamn some of the weird things you find on a GNR forum sometimes make me want to rethink having anything to do with modern day GNR fans.  I would find a statement like that sacriliege.

Because that is just the pinnacle of lunacy, especially to state that on a GNR board.

One thing is for certain, he is no Buckethead and he is no Slash.  :yes:

Ok.? ?::)

I guess this is some kind of opinion right?? Because that is just the pinnacle of lunacy, especially to state that on a GNR board.? Goddamn some of the weird things you find on a GNR forum sometimes make me want to rethink having anything to do with modern day GNR fans.? I would find a statement like that sacriliege.

On topic:? Finck is decent I guess, but he butchered the old material on tour (I was there, believe me he butchered some of it).? Maybe he will be better at playing his own material.? I too wonder why he isn't playing live anywhere.? It isn't because he is busy with GNR, that's for sure.? Maybe he is just living fat off the monthly check from GNR and figures why perform if I am living fine off this check.? Who knows.

One thing is for certain, he is no Buckethead and he is no Slash.? ?:yes:

eh fuck off.. i would find your support for $lash sacriliege considering he's suing axl and talking shit all the time.? ?theres nothing wrong with supporting the band that is guns n roses NOW.

Thank you.
I had to say something like this too.

Robin is a great guitar player. I can't even begin to figure out The Blues' solo, it's a really different style... but he was WAY too sloppy on tour. He fucked up EVERYWHERE. His solo at the end of Sweet Child O Mine at Rio was fucking excellent though.

Nine Inch Nails are one of my favorite bands. And I'm glad he doesn't use his NIN style for GNR.

Could someone please link me to some mp3s and time locations where Robin supposedly makes all these mistakes?  I've listened to lots of bootlegs, and I've hardly heard any mistakes made by him.

Are you sure he's not just playing the solo differently that how some of you would like to hear it, and therefore you're considering it a "mistake"?

Could someone please link me to some mp3s and time locations where Robin supposedly makes all these mistakes?  I've listened to lots of bootlegs, and I've hardly heard any mistakes made by him.

Are you sure he's not just playing the solo differently that how some of you would like to hear it, and therefore you're considering it a "mistake"?

there is no solo in LALD..

he doesn't usually make mistakes.. no more then any other guitarist out there.? and yes, slash fucks up live too just as much as the next person.? ?most of the people dogging on robin's skillz actually are just very bitter $lash fans who have yet to get over the fact that $lash was replaced with someone just as good with a more modern and versatile style ;)

Oh my god...

How many times have you seen Slash and Finck play live?  If the answer is zero, then stfu and trust us that lived through GNR when it was actual a real band with amazing musicians and actual music. : ok:

No offense, but you have to be a real mess to think Finck is even in the same league as Slash.? Slash wrote some of the greatest guitar pieces ever.? Finck has done NOTHING at all.? And I saw original GNR play 4 times live and Slash didn't miss a note the entire time (and he was probably playing fucked up too).? I saw Finck play in Boston on 12/2/02 and he was below average at best.? Buckethead stole the show (along with Axl of course).?

No one is bitter that Slash is gone.? It sucks, but it is what itis.? All I was getting at is that Finck is maybe (maybe) an average live performing whereas Slash was and is the pinnacle of live guitar playing.? You want to talk about a stage presence?? Well there is no greater guitar presence on this planet tha Slash.? I can say this having seen him play live 4 times in the past.

How many times have you seen Slash and Finck play live?? If the answer is zero, then stfu and trust us that lived through GNR when it was actual a real band with amazing musicians and actual music. : ok:

listen to "sossego", that li'l song rocks your socks off !!

 :peace:

Please, no more of these sterile Slash vs Robin debates, or this thread is going down the toilet.
The original topic was Robin's current activities and potential solo work. Try to stick to that. The comparisons with Slash have been beaten to death already.

listen to "sossego", that li'l song rocks your socks off !!

 :peace:

[I saw Robin at Rock in Rio and he was amazing. I love not only his playing but his body expression when he plays.

Sossego sucks big time.

Does anybody else besides me think Robin is the next guy to leave GNR?

I wouldn't say he hasn't been working, but that we have no idea what he's been up to.

No offense, but you have to be a real mess to think Finck is even in the same league as Slash.  Slash wrote some of the greatest guitar pieces ever.  Finck has done NOTHING at all.  And I saw original GNR play 4 times live and Slash didn't miss a note the entire time (and he was probably playing fucked up too).  I saw Finck play in Boston on 12/2/02 and he was below average at best.  Buckethead stole the show (along with Axl of course). 

No one is bitter that Slash is gone.  It sucks, but it is what itis.  All I was getting at is that Finck is maybe (maybe) an average live performer whereas Slash was and is the pinnacle of live guitar playing.  You want to talk about a stage presence?  Well there is no greater guitar presence on this planet tha Slash.  I can say this having seen him play live 4 times in the past.

How many times have you seen Slash and Finck play live?  If the answer is zero, then stfu and trust us that lived through GNR when it was actual a real band with amazing musicians and actual music. : ok:

you suck.

 :P

Robin Finck is a bloomin' legend. he's way betta than Slash. he plays with feel, emotion and power. he mayks u feel the musik a lot more especially in madagascar and the blues. gr8 tunes. shame hardly n e 1 has hurd them. when the album cumz out, they'll c.

Sakib, I like Robin just as much as the next fan but he just does not play as well as he should, listen to his solos from 2002, they are terrible, now compare those solos with Slash's or Buckethead's, there is no comparison, he really can let himself down with his half-assed approach sometimes.

It's overreacting. He just didn't have that many mistakes, but anytime he fuck up is like 10 times worse than anyother.
I love his solos and I guess a lot of people just can't understand his style. He don't let himself down, you wanna see like that.

lol i've seen finck and i dont care to see $lash.? i think he's an asshole and really he's nothing special.? i'm more intersted in the modern day guns.? old guns was awesome but thats over and i'd rather look forward rather then dwell on the past.? ?

FInck has such an amazing style.. if he did a solo album, i have a feeling it wuld be a very well-thoughtout piece of work that u have to look a little deeper into to understand.? the guy is an artist.

Robin Finck is a bloomin' legend. he's way betta than Slash.

How Old are you?

I was always thinking "The new Guns rocks. Old Guns are hacks", but... that's just crazy.  Slash is an amazing guitarist. I'm not stuck up his ass or anything, I'm always ready to criticize things he's done that I don't like. But no one who plays guitar can say that Robin is better than Slash. It's just not logical.

Try playing along with the solos of Don't Damn Me or One In A Million.
I love Robin's playing just as much as anyone, but it's just irrational to say that he's better than Slash.

I'm sure Robin will have the last laugh.  ;D

 : ok:

Sakib, I like Robin just as much as the next fan but he just does not play as well as he should, listen to his solos from 2002, they are terrible, now compare those solos with Slash's or Buckethead's, there is no comparison, he really can let himself down with his half-assed approach sometimes.

He maybe has his unique style, but bending causes major problems for him and it's a shame on this level. It's not NIN, it's Guns N' Roses, a famous guitar band!
On the other hand he often fucks up the rhythm of the solos (not because he alters it), and when you look at him you can see a man who plays like it'd be a war between him and his guitar. His left hand holds the neck very fitfully (I hope it's the right word) and when he pushes down the strings he does it with too much power so often he plays out of tone even when he hits the right bar and doesn't even bend the note. I know some guys who make the same mistake: if he have played with a softer left hand, he would play much better. (BTW I think that Sossego sucks, but The Blues' solo is really good, although I'm sure he can't play the ending well and he usually makes mistakes in other parts, too.)

The argument of Robin's "greatness" or "mediocrity" on the Blues solo is kind of empty considering he didn't even write the solo, Zakk Wylde did. Its in a quote somewhere, but im too lazy to dig around tonight.

As for Robin, I think hes an exceptionally talented player but is nowhere near the calibur Slash is. Robin does in fact make alot of mistakes with the older material live but then again who wouldnt? The thing though is half the time Slash was fucked up on coke or whatever, yet half the music he contributed to live was often flawless and breathtaking.

Are you all blind morons or what? I said no more Slash vs Robin debates.

If you continue, your posts will be deleted. Jeez, I feel like I'm teaching 10-year-olds here.....  ::)

I see alot of potential in Robin as he no doubt has gained alot more practice and talent since 12/6/02.

I dont really know why people are so worried about him now also filling Bhead's shoes since he was lead long before BHead came aboard, and often played the majority of notes on each song live while Bhead took over a few solos here and there and what not.

Axl obviously sees alot of greatness in Robin as he does the other bandmembers (even Chris :hihi:) or else Robin would not still be in this group almost 9 years later..

But I really like him. Really. He's not like the others, he's always trying to put a little of soul on every second of music. It's not like "play this note, let it last for a few bars and then play something fast". He's just playing with his mind, his body and his soul (ok, not a quote from Joss Stone :hihi:).

I guess he's a misunderstood player. His style is fresh, new and good IMO...

He goes into some note you wouldn't even think about it...
I can tell you anytime when he is playing, not only for his unique sound but also by the way he plays.

His Sossego solo was a beautiful soulful rhythm guitar demonstration. He played like he wanted to the brazilians fans to know how he cared about us (of course, I'm a brazilian fan). I know he cared about us. I could feel it.

By the way, "Sossego" friggin' rocks! That solo had some major ATTITUDE. :yes:

...Robin took the majority of solos and the most important one - the SCOM ending. And I think he did that pretty good. ;)

Robin does in fact make alot of mistakes with the older material live but then again who wouldnt?

What? He's not an average guitar player or an amateur. Do you really think he was still trying to learn how to play back then? He's not just a promissing guitar player. And I can say that not only by the new songs but as well the old ones he used to play.

Uh, Bucket Head.

Considering very, very little material from the UYI albums was played on the tour, yeah im going to go out on a limb and say alot of those tracks were overlooked during rehearsal as the generic setlist that traces back to 2001 was also adapted for the most part in 2002 as well. Im not implying he was learning how to play guitar then at all, some GnR tracks not played live most definately. If you were to ask Robin on the spot in 2002 to play Coma or Breakdown, do you think he would have done it flawlessly? I doubt it, thats why after 12/6/02 and up to the present time perhaps, Robin along with the other bandmembers have been practicing the UYI and gained good experience as a result of it..

This whole thread has been pretty funny, because you have people who have no idea about guitar ins and out, music theory, or what a real guitarist sounds like for that matter. Just some qualifiying background. Im 22, I come from a family of guitarists (my father alone has been playing for about 40yrs). I've been playing guitar for a while, Im in a band currently, I study music theory, and I listen to all kinds of guitarists, not just the ones that are well known. Finck doesn't suck, but he's not all that good either. (For people who dont know) When you play the guitar, you cant just play anywhere on the neck you want. There's something called the key of a song. The key of the song, along with scales, will basically outline for you what and where to play on the neck. If your not playing within the key or scale, than your pretty much messing up. For a professional guitar player, this guy is constantly playing notes that just dont fit the song, or aren't in the key (or any particular scale for that matter either). There is a Finck solo in RIRIII, where me and my father were watching him play it, and we were both like, "What the F^*K was that!?!?!" This is really basic shit, and he messes it up regularly. Another thing, the guy is always screwing up the bends. He bends the notes way out of pitch, which really makes an educated ear BLEED. When a guitarist bends a note, its the same thing as a singer changing pitch. EVERYONE knows what a bad singer sounds like when they hit the wrong notes, well its the same thing on a guitar. Its just many poeple cant identify the mistake when they hear a guitarists do it. There is another little thing called tempo, which is the pace of the song. During his solos, he's way off. ?He's lagging behind (someone else already said this too), or just uneven in general, too fast or too slow. This really contributes to an overall sloppy sound. THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS, THIS IS MUSIC THEORY. I DIDNT make IT UP, IT CAN NOT BE ARGUED!!. He's got other issues as well, but this is already too long. With that said, there are some solos where he's fine, and I really enjoy the chourds he plays before "knocking on heavens door" http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/finckkohd.wmv. The style reminds me of Hendrix's "Little Wing". He's no Buckethead, GNR is in alot of trouble without the temendous skills of Buckethead. Finck cant carry the whole load, because he's not talented enough. It's like poeple dont seem to understand that Bucket Head is seriously one of the most impressive guitarists in the world right now, GNR was so lucky to have him. I already posted this in another thread but here it is again. http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/bhntrain.wmv. Maybe I can name 3 guitarists EVER who could play this one solo alone (If you think someone else other than vai, west, maybe van halen or... can play it let me know who they are. I'd be interested). Anyway, that's it. I hope I cleared up at least a few of the arguments, though im sure i just started new ones. thx newgnr 4 the clips, and thx 4 reading. ? ? ?

YEAH THX 4 that info!

Anyway the question was who could play it without messing up, not who in the band could do it, so your comment here is irrelevant.

dude, if he never knew when to stop, I'd consider that the best thing that happened to that song. The vid i posted in my last comment is just so awsome. He is blazing fast and accurate, nobody can deny that. What show was it that he didnt know when to stop? I mustn't have seen it.

And come on dude, do you really think he can't follow Slash's bends through November Rain?????

He was just playing a non tradtional version of the solo, though im not sure what show your refering to here either.

Of all the solos ive heard him take with GNR he has never played an identical solo of Slash's. Why would he? but you should know that he doesnt do it for lack of skill.

Listen to that guitar solo from Fortus: http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FYYMZKSZ1TK809O0BN6P98RLQ
---> Richard Fortus should take the lead. He is better. He sounds better. End of story for me.

Listen to that guitar solo from Fortus: http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FYYMZKSZ1TK809O0BN6P98RLQ
---> Richard Fortus should take the lead. He is better. He sounds better. End of story for me.

How the hell did a simple question about what Robin is doing turn into a "He can't play", "Slash is better" or "Richard is better" thread? Aren't you guys bored with those by now?


/jarmo

You're welcome. Do you know about Slash too, huh?? :o

??? wwwhhhaaa ???

No, the question was "If you were to ask Robin on the spot in 2002 to play Coma or Breakdown, do you think he would have done it flawlessly?.
I guess it was pretty clear that I think he can play those songs without messing up. Anyways, since you're a guitar player, you should know how Slash's guitar work is not impossible, far from this. And you ignore the fact that Robin handled SCOM solo pretty good (or you just didn't mind to comment because your ears bleed everytime you hear it). So, in a way or another, your comment here is irrelevant.

Robin handled a slim few solos "pretty good".  Im aware its not impossible, why cant Robin play them then. When I was younger, I said to my father, "Dad Slash is awsome, you cant play this". He proceeded to pick up the guitar and play any solo or part of any some I asked him to. And he never even Heard most of the songs. At this point I was fully aware that Slash was at a level that not to high. As a result, I really respect a guy that when he plays, if my dad has no way or reproducing it, I know that guy is pretty f'in good.   

Try Pukkelpop and, if I'm not mistaken, Boston.
So, you consider when someone don't follow the rest of the band is a good thing? I don't think the other guys wants that happening. You may think that a 10min solo is the best thing ever, but the rest of the world might not. The same with the fast thing. This is not about who can play the same thing over and over without fuck up. It's a rock n' roll band and, just like Slash era, it's supposed to act (and play) to the average joe, not to the guitar freaks.?

Im sorry I didnt see earlier when you stated that you have boston boot, my fault. I went back and checked Boston, and I didnt hear that BH didnt know when to stop, sorry, Axl continues talking at the end and it sounded natural. However, you mentioned a solo issue with NR. In that show Robin takes two solos, BH does the last. What I didnt hear was Robin slave through and butcher 2, and BH play a Slash-like struture and add to the strenghth of the solo. Dude lets face it, what BH can play, neither Slash nor Robin can. I read in an interview somewhere, that one of the members said this IS the best guitar band right now. So this is suppose to appeal to both an everyday listener, and a "guitar freak" also. Slash and BH could do this Robin cant. When the day comes that no one cares how good the guitarists are, thats when Axl will play guitar.

No, I think he can. But he didn't follow sometimes. Not my fault. Even Slash didn't.

Slash or BH dont f up though when they play something different though. Robin messes up when he's trying to follow the solo.

Yeah, so was Robin with the other songs. But Buckethead can and Robin not, right?? ::)

No what Robin was playing was bad notes. You obviously dont know it when you hear it. As a live gitarists, I have no problems when someone steps off the beaten path, but that doesnt mean your allowed to make mistakes just cause you did. 

I never said anything about lack of skill. I never said he should play like Slash - I never wanted a clone. But, like you said in your other post, you have an "educated ear", so I guess you can hear when someone fuck up a bend. Go figure why you can only hear Robin's fuckups (like Slash never fucked up anything).

Slash f'ed up plenty, but he was prolly high. Whats Robin's excuse? Ive listen to many bootlegs of the new and old band, and the fequency that robin makes mistakes is staggering. I can honestly say that BH rarely made a mistake.

You claim to know a lot about guitars. Yet, you seem pretty one sided about what is the best thing for a guitar player in your opinion: technical knowledge, speed, precision. No need to feel. I'm sorry, I disagree.

Thats not a claim. What's feeling when you dont have tech. knowledge, speed, percision? Just cause BucketHead does the robot dance doesnt mean he IS a robot. Did you know that? he knows how to play with heart. Feeling isnt a substitute for talent and skill. A guy can feel the music but cant play for shit, where's that get you? 

I guess I know what solo you and you father didn't like at RIR3, he indeed played some awful stuff. But you can watch November Rain at St. Louis '91 with your father and see (and hear) how Slash fucked up the song that much. They are not virtuosos like Buckethead, so it's pretty normal if they fuck up sometimes : ok:

no, Im never going to accept the fact that a professional guitarist fucks up all the time. Its not alright. You can argue whatever you want with Robin, but if you cant see that he's really not that good, well i dont know what to tell you. As a guitarist yourself, you shoud be able to hear that.   

Thank you, now stay out of this thread.


How the hell did a simple question about what Robin is doing turn into a "He can't play", "Slash is better" or "Richard is better" thread? Aren't you guys bored with those by now?



/jarmo

When a guitarist bends a note, its the same thing as a singer changing pitch. EVERYONE knows what a bad singer sounds like when they hit the wrong notes, well its the same thing on a guitar. Its just many poeple cant identify the mistake when they hear a guitarists do it.

THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS, THIS IS MUSIC THEORY. I DIDNT make IT UP, IT CAN NOT BE ARGUED!!.

GNR is in alot of trouble without the temendous skills of Buckethead.

Finck doesn't suck, but he's not all that good either. (For people who dont know) When you play the guitar, you cant just play anywhere on the neck you want. There's something called the key of a song. The key of the song, along with scales, will basically outline for you what and where to play on the neck. If your not playing within the key or scale, than your pretty much messing up. For a professional guitar player, this guy is constantly playing notes that just dont fit the song, or aren't in the key (or any particular scale for that matter either). ? ? ?

This whole thread has been pretty funny, because you have people who have no idea about guitar ins and out, music theory, or what a real guitarist sounds like for that matter. Just some qualifiying background. Im 22, I come from a family of guitarists (my father alone has been playing for about 40yrs). I've been playing guitar for a while, Im in a band currently, I study music theory, and I listen to all kinds of guitarists, not just the ones that are well known. Finck doesn't suck, but he's not all that good either. (For people who dont know) When you play the guitar, you cant just play anywhere on the neck you want. There's something called the key of a song. The key of the song, along with scales, will basically outline for you what and where to play on the neck. If your not playing within the key or scale, than your pretty much messing up. For a professional guitar player, this guy is constantly playing notes that just dont fit the song, or aren't in the key (or any particular scale for that matter either). There is a Finck solo in RIRIII, where me and my father were watching him play it, and we were both like, "What the F^*K was that!?!?!" This is really basic shit, and he messes it up regularly. Another thing, the guy is always screwing up the bends. He bends the notes way out of pitch, which really makes an educated ear BLEED. When a guitarist bends a note, its the same thing as a singer changing pitch. EVERYONE knows what a bad singer sounds like when they hit the wrong notes, well its the same thing on a guitar. Its just many poeple cant identify the mistake when they hear a guitarists do it. There is another little thing called tempo, which is the pace of the song. During his solos, he's way off.  He's lagging behind (someone else already said this too), or just uneven in general, too fast or too slow. This really contributes to an overall sloppy sound. THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS, THIS IS MUSIC THEORY. I DIDNT make IT UP, IT CAN NOT BE ARGUED!!. He's got other issues as well, but this is already too long. With that said, there are some solos where he's fine, and I really enjoy the chourds he plays before "knocking on heavens door" http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/finckkohd.wmv. The style reminds me of Hendrix's "Little Wing". He's no Buckethead, GNR is in alot of trouble without the temendous skills of Buckethead. Finck cant carry the whole load, because he's not talented enough. It's like poeple dont seem to understand that Bucket Head is seriously one of the most impressive guitarists in the world right now, GNR was so lucky to have him. I already posted this in another thread but here it is again. http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/bhntrain.wmv. Maybe I can name 3 guitarists EVER who could play this one solo alone (If you think someone else other than vai, west, maybe van halen or... can play it let me know who they are. I'd be interested). Anyway, that's it. I hope I cleared up at least a few of the arguments, though im sure i just started new ones. thx newgnr 4 the clips, and thx 4 reading.       

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Lineup? There is no 3rd guitarist! He left! Remember? I was like only a year ago!

BTW I'M 14 hu eva asked 4 my age in the post

As someone that has played guitar for 11 years and been in bands that whole time, I will say that while the notes outside the scales or the key of the song may be technically "wrong", I don't think he is doing them by mistake. That is his style and most guitarists out there would encourage people to break the rules and go outside the technical theory because it becomes way to limiting. If everyone stayed inside your parameters, you would have people that play guitar all sounding very similar. robin IS great, and i am sure he is aware of your theory and regulations, but chooses to dismiss those for a unique style. judging from what you said, i bet you are one boring ass guitar player.

This whole thread has been pretty funny, because you have people who have no idea about guitar ins and out, music theory, or what a real guitarist sounds like for that matter. ..... There's something called the key of a song. The key of the song, along with scales, will basically outline for you what and where to play on the neck. If your not playing within the key or scale, than your pretty much messing up. For a professional guitar player, this guy is constantly playing notes that just dont fit the song, or aren't in the key (or any particular scale for that matter either)...............................Another thing, the guy is always screwing up the bends. He bends the notes way out of pitch, which really makes an educated ear BLEED......... There is another little thing called tempo, which is the pace of the song....... THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS, THIS IS MUSIC THEORY. I DIDNT make IT UP, IT CAN NOT BE ARGUED!!.

Maybe Mozart fans would have thought Stravinsky was a tone deaf. While the fans of the latter had good ears for both.

my father were watching him play it, and we were both like, "What the F^*K was that!?!?!" This is really basic shit, and he messes it up regularly.

He's no Buckethead, GNR is in alot of trouble without the temendous skills of Buckethead. It's like poeple dont seem to understand that Bucket Head is seriously one of the most impressive guitarists in the world right now, GNR was so lucky to have him.

This whole thread has been pretty funny, because you have people who have no idea about guitar ins and out, music theory, or what a real guitarist sounds like for that matter. Just some qualifiying background. Im 22, I come from a family of guitarists (my father alone has been playing for about 40yrs). I've been playing guitar for a while, Im in a band currently, I study music theory, and I listen to all kinds of guitarists, not just the ones that are well known. Finck doesn't suck, but he's not all that good either. (For people who dont know) When you play the guitar, you cant just play anywhere on the neck you want. There's something called the key of a song. The key of the song, along with scales, will basically outline for you what and where to play on the neck. If your not playing within the key or scale, than your pretty much messing up. For a professional guitar player, this guy is constantly playing notes that just dont fit the song, or aren't in the key (or any particular scale for that matter either). There is a Finck solo in RIRIII, where me and my father were watching him play it, and we were both like, "What the F^*K was that!?!?!" This is really basic shit, and he messes it up regularly. Another thing, the guy is always screwing up the bends. He bends the notes way out of pitch, which really makes an educated ear BLEED. When a guitarist bends a note, its the same thing as a singer changing pitch. EVERYONE knows what a bad singer sounds like when they hit the wrong notes, well its the same thing on a guitar. Its just many poeple cant identify the mistake when they hear a guitarists do it. There is another little thing called tempo, which is the pace of the song. During his solos, he's way off.? He's lagging behind (someone else already said this too), or just uneven in general, too fast or too slow. This really contributes to an overall sloppy sound. THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS, THIS IS MUSIC THEORY. I DIDNT make IT UP, IT CAN NOT BE ARGUED!!

I stayed out of this topic for the time I could but I had to give a reaction now. Please read this post with care:

First of all.? I think Robin Finck is a pretty good guitar player. That he definitely is. He has a cool approach, listen to the part he played on the 2002 tour before paradise city. I think that his style of playing came out really well and soulfull on that special segment. That's a specialty of him for sure. I really enjoyed his solo's on Patience from the 2002 tour as well. Those gave the same feel to me. He's outstanding on those elements so it seems to me. Those were not out of key or anything. Those little things impressed me about him + his stage movements. He got the same kinda approach on knocking on heaven's door as someone else already mentioned.

I'm convinced that those things will get him very far if he cary's out that "style" more out on the new songs.

However some things don't come out that well with his technique and style of playing.

- using "gain" / "overdrive" whatever the hell you want to name or catagorize it. The sound that those settings creates doesn't compliment his playing technique. The way he strikes the strings and the way his hand moves on the fretboard is very, very risk-full. There-for it doesn't come out to well on songs such as November Rain. His style doesnt suit that type of category. Simple as that.

He's awesome on the clean / crunched parts but he lacks suitement on the other leads. That is how it is and not different. Robin Finck has great feel but to be able to show it properly he needs to play the things he is specialized in. And I'm sure he will in the future.

If only Bucket could be a bit more of a teamplayer off stage as well...



 

That is how it is and not different.

just thought i'd help further your post by clearing up that you likely meant "suitability"
good post. ?: ok: ?i think we have to keep in mind that Robin really has not had much opportunity in Guns to showcase his 'thing'. ?But, I am pleased with what he has shown us - very pleased... particularly his 'feel' which you apparently likewise appreciate. ? ?:beer:

That's one of the most uninformed posts I've ever seen a "musician" write. First of all, there's no need to denigrate the guys(ATREAL's) talent. You don't know if he's boring or not. However, saying playing out of key & sloppily is some form of "style" is fucking idiotic. Look, I've been playing over 20 years, I could care less you're playing for 11 years. ?If Johnny Hiland, Eric Johnson, Ritchie Blackmore, Mark Knopfler, Steve Morse, Brian May, Joe Satriani, Buckethead, Nels Cline, Steve Vai, George Lynch, Alvin Lee, Alex Lifeson, Joe Perry, Slash, Nils Lofgren, John Mayer, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Yngwie Malmsteen, Chet Atkins, Keith Urban, Jimi Hendrix, Trey Anastasio, alex Scolnick, Keith Richards, Chuck Garvey, Ric Emmit, ?Al Schneir, Eric Clapton, Al Dimeola, Steve Lukather, Les Paul, Danny Gatton, Tony McAlpine, Jimmy Page, John Frusciante, Stone Gossard, Robyn Hitchcock, Al Pitrelli, John 5, just off the top of my head,& hundreds more can all play within the so called "rules" you so cavalierly dismissed, and still keep their unique style, so can Finck. Or maybe he can't, & therin lies the problem.

There's a difference between thinking outside the box, breaking the rules, etc...... and playing bad notes & mistakes.

But you cant compare Robin to someone like Buckethead. Buckethead is world class .. pretty much in a league of his own right now .. up there if not ahead of players like Satch , vai , petrucci and the like. Bucket is a phenom. I still think it would be in axl roses best interest to do what it takes to make an effort to get B back in GNR .. if that means sacking somebody like Finck then so be it.

Furthermore , I think the combination of B and Axl would garner much more attention , fame and accolades not to mention the attention of fans much more then finck and axl. IMHo axl and B coulda been the next axl and slash in alot of fans eyes.

Robin owns SCOM? :smoking:

True, you can't compare Robin to someone like Buckethead, that's why they were and Robin is still in the band. Both are world class and in a league of their own. As is Richard. I believe you don't see three differently world class geetar players?

I believe Axl did everything he could to keep Bucket in GN'R. Regarding Axl's own words, even more than he should have for GN'R.

You say: .. if that means sacking somebody like Finck then so be it.
Axl, I believe, would never sack Robin for Bucket. Robin is key (in or out ;-) for Guns' nowadays

As for the amount of attention GN'R would gather, I think you right about Bucket, but they will do fine without him as well.

 : ok:


N ! 3 |(

That's one of the most uninformed posts I've ever seen a "musician" write. First of all, there's no need to denigrate the guys(ATREAL's) talent. You don't know if he's boring or not. However, saying playing out of key & sloppily is some form of "style" is fucking idiotic. Look, I've been playing over 20 years, I could care less you're playing for 11 years. ?If Johnny Hiland, Eric Johnson, Ritchie Blackmore, Mark Knopfler, Steve Morse, Brian May, Joe Satriani, Buckethead, Nels Cline, Steve Vai, George Lynch, Alvin Lee, Alex Lifeson, Joe Perry, Slash, Nils Lofgren, John Mayer, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Yngwie Malmsteen, Chet Atkins, Keith Urban, Jimi Hendrix, Trey Anastasio, alex Scolnick, Keith Richards, Chuck Garvey, Ric Emmit, ?Al Schneir, Eric Clapton, Al Dimeola, Steve Lukather, Les Paul, Danny Gatton, Tony McAlpine, Jimmy Page, John Frusciante, Stone Gossard, Robyn Hitchcock, Al Pitrelli, John 5, just off the top of my head,& hundreds more can all play within the so called "rules" you so cavalierly dismissed, and still keep their unique style, so can Finck. Or maybe he can't, & therin lies the problem.

There's a difference between thinking outside the box, breaking the rules, etc...... and playing bad notes & mistakes.

DUDE THAT IS A TRUELY GREAT POST! WOW, AWSOME! You fucking hit it right on the head. People think , "oh your following the rules, so you suck. No you suck cause you dont know the "rules". With that said, its called "MUSIC THEORY, NOT MUSIC LAW". Its ok to break or bend the rules, but Robin F'in Finck does not know how to do it melodically. Oh, and playing out of the scale is ok in some cases, but playing out of key is 100% not, some of you people have no clue. He may be excellent as a rythm guitar player, as i said earlier w/vid i like some of his rythm work, but as a solo specialist...please. And for the people saying their content with the current "line-up". If everything is so great in your minds, then why did Axl himself cancel their RIR appearance becasue Buckethead left? If everything was cool, and Robin could handle the show on his own, AXL WOULD HAVE PLAYED.? Thanks again providman, you know what your talking about.

Listening to Robin cover Slash solo's isn't a very good representation of his or anybody elses work. Just wait until you actually hear the album, then if you want your voice heard, (like I know you do) wait until you can make an educated statement so you don't sound like such a #!@*!.

Robin is a good player and a cool addition to the band, he's one of the main reasons I've stayed interested in GNR. 

We all know his creative resume' isn't that of his predecessor in GNR but that's no reason to rip the guys ability.

Let's see what he brings to the table before hammering him unmercifully or praising him overzealously.

If and when that time comes, it's open season either way.

I really didnt look at like 3 world class guitarists at all ... I saw one guy , Bucket ..

hes not with NIN anymore! Slash is a good Guitarplayer even if hes not in GNR

believe me, we come from completely differant schools of playing and it is no use arguing with you about it. if i were a betting man, i would say you probably enjoy rush, dream theatre and queensryche and i just can't get into that shit at all, as technically proficient as it is........anyway, to question someone who played in cirque du soliel (sp?) is fucking retarded anyway, they only hire excellant musicians.....

If he's that good why Finck did not play on NIN albums ?

If he's that good why Finck did not play on NIN albums ?

And for the people saying their content with the current "line-up". If everything is so great in your minds, then why did Axl himself cancel their RIR appearance becasue Buckethead left? If everything was cool, and Robin could handle the show on his own, AXL WOULD HAVE PLAYED. 

Because both elements were needed to realize the sound? It's a band being.
besides, I hear a tour was cancelled once because Robin left.

It's you who are using petty elementary Music theory like some inviolable rules, not us.
Which grade do you have?

I see.

 : ok:


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Was that slag at me needed? I fully explained how I felt about the other guitar players in my reply. As are you so am I entitled to my opinion. Most will agree that Buckethead was head and shoulders above the other two in terms of ability. It's hard to argue that. But Fortus and Finck can still play , at their own level. I think Dizzy and Tommy are probably in the same league as Finck on guitar to be honest.

Anyways , Eva brought up about the other members feeling bad if Bucket came back cause he "left them high and dry before RIR4" ... 1st off I dont think for one second B left them high and dry just before rir4 ... the guy left a couple months BEFORE the announcement .. the announcement came a couple months BEFORE rir4 ... geez , theres NO reason that band could not have made the rir4 gig. No reason. Especially with their tried and true AFD setlist!

At the time it looked more to me like another excuse to cancel a show , delay the album .. now a full YEAR later one can assume that it did give them more time to sit and stew in a studio.

I think it's a shitty thing that Buckethead wouldnt be welcomed back into the band but Robin was after he up and left the band so he could go tour and work with trent.

Robin left because his contract was expired and there was nothing planned. So he left for a few months to tour. Bucket on the other hand left while he was still under contract and there was at least 1 show planned, and possibly in the stages of being planned.

Check out the subject line of this thread!

Look, it says Robin Finck! Is he known to wear a bucket on his head?




/jarmo

Robin Finck has a very cool vibe. Too cool almost. Easily my favorite new member.

I hope Robin is behind the artwork for Chinese Democracy. I think he would do a good job.

As long as someone else is composing the music....

I totally agree.? There's something about him, someone who you cant not like.? Something very intriguing.? I remember when I first saw a picture of him, nothing more, and didnt know about him, it was like I felt everything about it instead of knowing it.? His website is amazing, it shows how important art is to him, it's like he is art.? I was beyond honored when he chose to put of of my sendings on his website, a picture that meant a lot to me in my life- a picture that explains what Im going through in life as well what I have left behind and what I have gained but still at the same time what haunts me, how the past always seems to creep into the present.? It's beautiful to me.? It's under the section The Me Now, under my name Kathryn.? Seeing it on his website, I dunno, it's a cool feeling.
He is a beautiful person, his face draws you in, and what he exudes locks you in.

 :-*

I hope Robin is behind the artwork for Chinese Democracy. I think he would do a good job.

I could do some digging for pictures.

Where Is He...?!

(http://www.rockinblue.com/news/images/gnr2_frinck.jpg)

COME OUT OF HIDING AND SAY SOMETHING

He's the lead guitarist of Guns N Roses and he's more reclusive than Axl ever was...!

Hey Mr W, did you have a nice B-day? Sorry, off topic...

dude that pic does him NO CREDIT whatsoever. :hihi:

this man is robin fink? ::)?

Where Is He...?!

(http://www.rockinblue.com/news/images/gnr2_frinck.jpg)

COME OUT OF HIDING AND SAY SOMETHING

He's the lead guitarist of Guns N Roses and he's more reclusive than Axl ever was...!

does anybody know where finck lives (I DONT WANT AN ADDRESS JUST A COUNTRY )

correct

That pic sure look funny compared to the way he looks now? :peace:

Where Is He...?!

(http://www.rockinblue.com/news/images/gnr2_frinck.jpg)

COME OUT OF HIDING AND SAY SOMETHING

He's the lead guitarist of Guns N Roses and he's more reclusive than Axl ever was...!

does anybody know where finck lives (I DONT WANT AN ADDRESS JUST A COUNTRY )

yeah, cuz he didn't look funny with the front half of his head shaved ::)

I hope he doesnt play that fucking shitty solo he plays before Paradise City... thats fucking awfull

ha ha ha, I disagree with you. I'm happy that it is your opinion, it might be loose from 'truth' or 'objectivation'?? :-*

lol.. yes it might be... but i bet if you played it for any random music fan and didnt tell them who or what it was they would agree with me.... go post it over on metal-sludge and see what kind of reactions you get.....

ro? b? in fukin does rock and i dont think GNR would be the same without him.hes been in GNR for almost as long as slash was? : ok:

His website just gives me headaches..what the hell is that about? I was looking for "gear" section.."tour photo" section...

clarity. the renewal of my mind in the midst of fear and sorrow. to re-boot. to begin again from a space of gratitude and blessed assurance. to live in integrity with the Divine. which means to me, to live not in competition with another, nor by superstition, but to act upon my deepest desires and to become greater than my previous self, moment by conscious moment. to choose love over fear. and to move forward from this space. and to remember and to embody all of this every time the shit hits the fan.

Robin has updated his web site today (last update was on 24th of March). as we have so many Slash topic all over the boards I think on this day Robin deserves to have one more... I think it is very significant that Robin has spoken today. I think he can't fucking wait to move on. Can't wait to see him live soon.

To Robin  : ok: thanks for all you gave to this. It has finally launched from the pad in all it's glory. Take care!

I think it is very significant that Robin has spoken today.

The world's not changing because a guy in drag is writing metaphors on the internet.

weird that he would update today, shit hits the fan sounds bad

i hope he isn't out of the band or som'n, but this post kinda sound likes he is

he says nothing, he gets bashed

he says something/anything, he gets the same

 ::)

In what way?

The world's not changing because a guy in drag is writing metaphors on the internet.

Yes...Robin did update his website today, I received an email from him this morning.  Here is his email.

a message from robin:
-----------------------------------

hello.
i'm robin. i really like the pic you sent.
you'll find it posted on 'the flock \ pictures' page.
thank you for being a part of this grand life experience.

robin
-----------------------------------

I sent Robin a picture for his website.  The picture is from the Cuba-Japan game at the World Baseball Classic.  You can find the pic under Flock on his page and then Fresh is the section he added it too.  What a cool dude.  All of you Gunners who will be at the show, have a great time, we here on the westcoast are regreting we could not be there with you tonight.

Yes...Robin did update his website today, I received an email from him this morning.? Here is his email.

a message from robin:
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hello.
i'm robin. i really like the pic you sent.
you'll find it posted on 'the flock \ pictures' page.
thank you for being a part of this grand life experience.

robin
-----------------------------------

I sent Robin a picture for his website.? The picture is from the Cuba-Japan game at the World Baseball Classic.? You can find the pic under Flock on his page and then Fresh is the section he added it too.? What a cool dude.? All of you Gunners who will be at the show, have a great time, we here on the westcoast are regreting we could not be there with you tonight.

I believe his statement is about being compared to the old GN'R (especially Slash). He knows he will be scrutinized, both by the fans and the media:
"to live not in competition with another, nor by superstition, but to act upon my deepest desires and to become greater than my previous self, moment by conscious moment. to choose love over fear. and to move forward from this space. and to remember and to embody all of this every time the shit hits the fan.".

Sounds to me like: Stay focused on what you are doing and why you're doing, separate yourself from what has been, especially when questioned and doubted, to be the best you can be.

woa, sorry if I brought it in at wrong time... it has nothing to do with G&R actually, but with life philosophy. The question was: "What do you pray for?"... It can be found in Quest, You first, Me first, Archive (2)... so don't worry about tonight. As I said it is just a nice quote that keeps me going...

woa, sorry if I brought it in at wrong time... it has nothing to do with G&R actually, but with life philosophy. The question was: "What do you pray for?"... It can be found in Quest, You first, Me first, Archive (2)... so don't worry about tonight. As I said it is just a nice quote that keeps me going...

It's more human to talk about your feelings and believes than assume you've got to be stoned to talk about it, using words with more than 4 letters.

he says nothing, he gets bashed

he says something/anything, he gets the same

 ::)

Fuck that :hihi:


At least speak coherently :confused:

i was talking about people who talk using words with more than 4 letter, you know like "coherently" (see you can do it too), so why just bash someone who speaks in a different way then you , by making meaningfull statements as Fuck that.
I don't like to pick bones and i'm not doing that with you Neemo, i just think there's a lot of intolerence towards robin just because he's different from most. I understand what he means with that quote i also try to live my life like that, always be ware of who you are and of your actions, be true to yourself and not to others expectations, even when bad things come your way. I'm sure you understand the part were love is preferable to fear.

thats weired what robin had wrote....here's what ive deciphered from it:

"not to live in competition with another" - people constantly bashing him for fucking up the odd slash solo, filling slashes boots etc

"to become greater than my previous self" - possibly meaning to improve his playing, majority of people wer'nt happy with his playing in 2002, maybe he wasnt happy himself

i was talking about people who talk using words with more than 4 letter, you know like "coherently" (see you can do it too), so why just bash someone who speaks in a different way then you , by making meaningfull statements as Fuck that.
I don't like to pick bones and i'm not doing that with you Neemo, i just think there's a lot of intolerence towards robin just because he's different from most. I understand what he means with that quote i also try to live my life like that, always be ware of who you are and of your actions, be true to yourself and not to others expectations, even when bad things come your way. I'm sure you understand the part were love is preferable to fear.

the shit hits the fan.

Ooh....he's so deep and mysterious. ::)

Get out there and play your guitar. That's all I care about.

Love how everybody is putting Robin as one of the highlights. I'm sure he deserves all of this! :beer:

BTW, keep in mind that that was the first Bumblefoot's gig with those guys AND those shows are warmup gigs, an open rehearsal. We'll may see him more confortable within the next dates..

... he gonna remember and embody this whenever the shit hits the fan....who is this fan?

better is a robin song....? that alone made my day people : ok:

Better is a robin song by the way..................I bet that just pisses you off

clarity. the renewal of my mind in the midst of fear and sorrow. to re-boot. to begin again from a space of gratitude and blessed assurance. to live in integrity with the Divine. which means to me, to live not in competition with another, nor by superstition, but to act upon my deepest desires and to become greater than my previous self, moment by conscious moment. to choose love over fear. and to move forward from this space. and to remember and to embody all of this every time the shit hits the fan.

i always said robin is the man..... and i`m glad all the people who were skeptical or even hated him appreciate him now as well.....? ?i think it`s mostly about the look anyways.... buckethead could?ve written scom and paradise city and people would`ve still complained about the bucket and mask...

i said robin was my favourite guitar player before this show.... and i`m more than happy, he didn`t dissapoint me :hihi:

I agree I always have defended robin and tried to show people how great he is

Robin is the greatest  ;D  My personal favorite guitarist  :peace:  I'm glad to see he shined last night!  And for some reason I had a feeling Better was his song!  :yes: : ok:

In what way?

The world's not changing because a guy in drag is writing metaphors on the internet.

I didn't read all the replies, but I wanted to say that Robin was awesome, not only musically, but personally too.? There were 2 wheelchairs near me up front.? I guess Robin was impressed by them being on the floor.? At one point, he dove in to the crowd, guitar and all to hug the woman in the wheelchair.? That was just increadible.

Then he crowd surfed during the encore lol.? The second time he went RIGHT over me and TheRaven.? I think Robin was having a religious experiance lol Either that or he was drunk.

That was my gf and I in the wheelchairs...Such a classy move, really...As I told Dark earlier, he really made her week and gave her a moment she'll soon not forget.

Oneway, that was you!!! Man, I saw you both enter the venue!! Congrats on a great time. Did you see the guy who was pulled out of the front row a minute into Jungle? That was me! I was being crushed by the weight of humanity behind me.

has anyone else noticed that since the show, theres been more talk about robin than any other gnr member (axl included).

Just what the guy deserves  :smoking:

I'm trying to get a high quality Robin picture to get a tshirt done for RIR any ideias?

er, do? search for a high quality picture? :hihi:

I'm trying to get a high quality Robin picture to get a tshirt done for RIR any ideias?

I'm curious if Robin wrote the lyrics to Better as well.

Wow I bet this is driving all the Fortus Lovers crazy!!!

no way : ok:

It is amazing to see where this topic has come to... Thank You Robin!

As I said few times you can really feel Robin in the leaks... while I think this new incarnation is great as a band I am pretty sure Axl&Robin will be the main creators of CD... we'll see.

Just got back from New York finally, and it was a great show. As far as Finck, while he has improved his playing since the 02 tour, he can't hold Bumblefoot's guitar pick as far as playing capability. Richard and Bumblefoot sound words ahead of him when listening to the 3 of them, so why Finck is given so many leads is beyond me. Bumblefoot was obviously a little nervous, but man can he play. I know it is the seniority system in place that lets Robin play all the best parts, but it might be time to stop relegating the band's best guitarist to the role of wallflower other than for 4-5 solos he plays for the whole show.

Just got back from New York finally, and it was a great show. As far as Finck, while he has improved his playing since the 02 tour, he can't hold Bumblefoot's guitar pick as far as playing capability. Richard and Bumblefoot sound words ahead of him when listening to the 3 of them, so why Finck is given so many leads is beyond me. Bumblefoot was obviously a little nervous, but man can he play. I know it is the seniority system in place that lets Robin play all the best parts, but it might be time to stop relegating the band's best guitarist to the role of wallflower other than for 4-5 solos he plays for the whole show.

Richard and Bumblefoot sound words ahead of him when listening to the 3 of them, so why Finck is given so many leads is beyond me.

robin is the fucking man!

guess he doesnt have enough respect to realize that his name is spelled Finck.? :rofl:

Robin improved 100%.. he belongs in gnr...

they really look like a band now. : ok:

Its amazing how many people suddenly like him, mainly 'cause of his image, i dunno, but since he played from Rio 3, i knew this guy was kick arse!!!


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[/glow]

his website is not about music, why should it be? I like his website just because it's his very personal

I found this at a NIN forum. The poster comes off as a real dick:

"When did Robin become such a prick? I met him during the Fragility V2.0 tour and he was very chill. Last night I had the dis-pleasure of seeing Axl Rose and his backing band he likes to call Guns 'N Roses. I only because I had access to the afterparty and wanted to meet both Tommy Stinson and Robin Finck.

I met Tommy and talked to him for a bit about some Replacements shit and he was cool as hell. When someone mentioned Robin had walked in I began looking for him. Since I didn't attend the show I didn't know I should be looking for the Jesus Christ look-a-like with the skirt and white tights on. Remember the whole goth/alien look Robin had...well that's gone and he now looks like the Unibomber meets Jesus, full beard and everything. His choice of clothing was just atrocious (black skirt, white tights, white tee, and sort of like the Blues Traveler harmocia vest thing).

So I introduced myself and mentioned that I had met him once before in '99 with NIN and he already looked upset I mentioned NIN. So I asked him if he knew why Trent was taking shots at GNR/Axl through some recent pics and Robin just rolled his eyes and walked away. Seems like he's a little bitter about everything still. I mean he's the ass that left NIN after TDS to do GNR only to come back in '99 and quit again.

P.S. - I wanted to yell across the room when he walked away that at least Aaron can play "Sin" without fucking it up 95% of the time. "

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=17585

I found this at a NIN forum. The poster comes off as a real dick:

"When did Robin become such a prick? I met him during the Fragility V2.0 tour and he was very chill. Last night I had the dis-pleasure of seeing Axl Rose and his backing band he likes to call Guns 'N Roses. I only because I had access to the afterparty and wanted to meet both Tommy Stinson and Robin Finck.

I met Tommy and talked to him for a bit about some Replacements shit and he was cool as hell. When someone mentioned Robin had walked in I began looking for him. Since I didn't attend the show I didn't know I should be looking for the Jesus Christ look-a-like with the skirt and white tights on. Remember the whole goth/alien look Robin had...well that's gone and he now looks like the Unibomber meets Jesus, full beard and everything. His choice of clothing was just atrocious (black skirt, white tights, white tee, and sort of like the Blues Traveler harmocia vest thing).

So I introduced myself and mentioned that I had met him once before in '99 with NIN and he already looked upset I mentioned NIN. So I asked him if he knew why Trent was taking shots at GNR/Axl through some recent pics and Robin just rolled his eyes and walked away. Seems like he's a little bitter about everything still. I mean he's the ass that left NIN after TDS to do GNR only to come back in '99 and quit again.

P.S. - I wanted to yell across the room when he walked away that at least Aaron can play "Sin" without fucking it up 95% of the time. "

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=17585

After "Chinese Democracy" comes out people will see how much Robin kicks ass.

It's too bad there isn't an actual album of Robin's original material.

i like robin
but if a have to dismiss one guitar from the band, it would be robin

like robin
but if a have to dismiss one guitar from the band, it would be robin

Besides, he wrote better.

Izzy wrote a bunch of good songs too, but that didn't entitle him to play lead guitar. If anything, this band should be following the Izzy model and relegate Robin to an almost strictly rythm role, leaving the lead guitar parts to the more talented players.

Being creative in the studio should not take precedent over Richard and Bumble's superior playing ability in relation to Robin.

Izzy wrote a bunch of good songs too, but that didn't entitle him to play lead guitar. If anything, this band should be following the Izzy model and relegate Robin to an almost strictly rythm role, leaving the lead guitar parts to the more talented players.

Being creative in the studio should not take precedent over Richard and Bumble's superior playing ability in relation to Robin.

You gotta admit though that Robin's solo in the Blues is really good.

Yes, love that solo. Very Slash-esque. Slash couldn't have done a better job.

He's good but he isn't great.

....Nah, he's great.

he's great coz he's unique  : ok:

If anyone claims robin sucks just point them to his twat solo

I agree that is a great solo..
Yes, love that solo. Very Slash-esque. Slash couldn't have done a better job.

And then have them listen to the longer version with Bucket and have them decide which is better. Simple fact is that the short version of TWAT (Pre-Bucket) is all we are ever going to get out of Robin, good songs that need a superstar like Bucket(now Bumble) to take them to the next level. Robin's playing ability is just too limited to be a legitimate lead guitarist in a band like GNR when you are filling the shoes of a legend. The fact he has been in the band as long as he has, yet Axl has continually brought in new guitarists speaks louder about his limitations than any post on a message board ever could.

The fact that he plays lead on all the leaks and does a wonderful job speaks louder about his abilities than any hater in a message board ever could.

Not when there's such a giant gap in quality between both types of performances (live & studio).

I do agree when people say that he has grown in respect to '02. That being said, I still think he's the weakest guitarist in the line up. No, I'm not saying he's shit, I just think the other two (especially BBF) are eons ahead.

-PEACE-

Too true man. That's what makes people mad, is that the new guys are better than the old.

The old is something to respect, but the new is something to support.

Not when there's such a giant gap in quality between both types of performances (live & studio).

I do agree when people say that he has grown in respect to '02. That being said, I still think he's the weakest guitarist in the line up. No, I'm not saying he's shit, I just think the other two (especially BBF) are eons ahead.

-PEACE-

Sounds fucking lame ::) I don't think that being "unique" makes you a great guitarist if you're not a great guitar PLAYER..

What makes people mad is that the new guys can't even play the old stuff well.  How can you possibly label them as better than the originals???  Have you ever heard either band play? 

  Suggesting he be put him on rhythm is ridiculous when hes doing 60-70% of the lead parts during the shows. 

What's wrong with discussing?

The fact he's doing 60 - 70% of the lead parts at the moment is exactly why he should be put on rhythm!  :hihi:

he`s awesome on most of the solos. he should just play rhythm on november rain though :hihi:

the new solos are absolutely great.  fortus should do some more solos though, he`s an amazing guitarist...

This board isn't about the band member's families. It's about the band and the band members themselves.

No need to discuss their personal lives.




/jarmo

Tommy Hilfiger is more GnR related?

I can live without discussing about member's family if that's the way you wanna have it, it's your forum after all and I plan to respect it, just stop trying to conveice me it makes sense, 'cause it doesn't...

 :peace:

Well I started this thread as support to Robin, his playing and involvement in GNR. I am sure his family is a big part and support in his life, but as jarmo said it is his private thing. I don't see Robin talking about his family as for example Richard has posted online pics of his baby... so I agree with jarmo on this... (yes I have posted link to Robin's wife bio which was deleted, but I accepted it as my mistake).

well to correct something... I didn't start this thread... I got things mixed up :(

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Robin wears a wedding band on stage, so I'm assuming hes not.  I did hear he went down on Manson at one of his concerts while he was playing guitar.

Robin is married and has never gone down on Manson (it was the other way around).

I suggest you don't post things like these, just a friendly advice.  :hihi:

Anyway, the big news is the site updating - cool new pics, yay!  :D

Yes, very nice updates, AWESOME pics! And I sent Robin a letter.  ;D