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Title: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Negleyjj on June 14, 2006, 12:31:18 PM
Some guy who is accused of killing his wife or girlfriend or something had it downloaded it, then deleted it... It's apparently a big part of their case... I don't know, I thought it was interesting...


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Tomorrows on June 14, 2006, 12:33:11 PM
Jesus Christ thats a ridiculous excuse. I hope the jury actually buys it and a big shit storm is cooked up giving GnR some inadvertant publicity.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: GnR-NOW on June 14, 2006, 12:33:58 PM
The song is almost 20 years old, thats a pathetic excuse.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: WARose on June 14, 2006, 12:34:28 PM
Some guy who is accused of killing his wife or girlfriend or something had it downloaded it, then deleted it... It's apparently a big part of their case... I don't know, I thought it was interesting...

 :rofl:   oh my god.....

computer games, horror movies and even marylin manson music (bowling for columbine...) are one thing....    but used to love her by guns n roses?? that?s hilarious :hihi:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: pilferk on June 14, 2006, 12:37:40 PM
They're not accusing the song of "making" the guy kill her.

They're using it as evidence that he was CONSIDERING killing her.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Ellroy on June 14, 2006, 12:40:01 PM
lol, sounds like they don't have a case if him listening to Used to Love Her is their main point. The deleting of the song is suspicious, but still, is that all they have? I hope they have a helluva lot more "evidence" than that.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: destroier on June 14, 2006, 12:42:27 PM
lol, sounds like they don't have a case if him listening to Used to Love Her is their main point. The deleting of the song is suspicious, but still, is that all they have? I hope they have a helluva lot more "evidence" than that.

Yep, that's circumstantial at best. I download songs all the time and delete them after one listen if I don't like them.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: slashisvr on June 14, 2006, 02:38:50 PM
GNR song jail's...... :rofl:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: lennonisgod on June 14, 2006, 03:00:11 PM
"...When your girlfriend or boyfriend is being a pain in the ass and you just want to cut their fucking head off, stick in a bag and bury it in the back yard."  It's something like that.  I haven't listened to Live Era lately and tried to do that from memory, but that's funny fucking shit.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: AxlsMainMan on June 14, 2006, 03:35:43 PM
And thus another roadblock halting the release of Chinese Democracy ;D


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Jessica on June 14, 2006, 06:02:57 PM
Obviously, the dick didn't go as far as listening to " but i knew i'd miss her, so i had to keep her" :hihi:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Bill 213 on June 14, 2006, 06:06:36 PM
Obviously, the dick didn't go as far as listening to " but i knew i'd miss her, so i had to keep her" :hihi:

Yeah, but the rest = ......"She's buried right in my back yard!"   :peace:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Jessica on June 14, 2006, 06:13:04 PM
Obviously, the dick didn't go as far as listening to " but i knew i'd miss her, so i had to keep her" :hihi:

Yeah, but the rest = ......"She's buried right in my back yard!"   :peace:

 ;D

Mentally deficient people ...

What's next ? GNR mentionned if someone has the idea to have sex with a corpse ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Captain P?l on June 14, 2006, 07:16:52 PM
Obviously, the dick didn't go as far as listening to " but i knew i'd miss her, so i had to keep her" :hihi:

Yeah, but the rest = ......"She's buried right in my back yard!"   :peace:

 ;D

Mentally deficient people ...

What's next ? GNR mentionned if someone has the idea to have sex with a corpse ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

well, cornchucker COULD be seen as a gay themed song, if you replace the words She with HE.... gay paradise!


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Filipe_Guns on June 14, 2006, 07:28:36 PM
what kind of judge consider a fuckin song as a evindence for a murder???
this is just ridiculous


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: lald04 on June 14, 2006, 07:30:56 PM
Jesus Christ thats a ridiculous excuse. I hope the jury actually buys it and a big shit storm is cooked up giving GnR some inadvertant publicity.


omg, that would be funny. :hihi:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on June 15, 2006, 12:51:17 AM
Thanks to bp from chinesedemocracy.com

http://www.courttv.com/trials/barber/061406_ctv.html

Guns N' Roses song played in murder trial as prosecutors try to prove a husband killed his wife


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Prosecutors displayed lyrics from the Guns N' Roses song "Used to Love Her," which Justin Barber downloaded from the Internet the day he is accused of murdering his wife.

FULL COVERAGE
Fla. v. Justin Barber
 
Watch the trial

KEY DOCUMENTS
Justin's Affidavit
In this signed statement to police, Justin Barber recounts his version of events on Aug. 17, 2002, the night his wife April was fatally shot.
Request for Admission
This civil suit document filed on behalf of April Barber's estate says April planned on leaving Justin Barber.
'Bad Acts' Motion
Prosecutors notified the court of their intent to present evidence that before the murder, Justin Barber asked his mistress to move with him to another state.
'Bad Acts' Response
The defense characterizes Justin Barber's extramarital affair as a "very casual, random sexual relationship" with no "plans for permanency."
Discovery List
This document lists computer searches such as "immigrating to Brazil" and "acute blood loss" made from Justin Barber's computer.
Pretrial Release
The main facts of the case are outlined in this motion, in which the defense makes a bid for Justin Barber's release while awaiting trial.
By Harriet Ryan
Court TV
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. ? Did Justin Barber turn to a Guns N' Roses tune to work up the nerve to murder his wife?

Prosecutors suggested as much at the business analyst's capital trial Wednesday when they played a recording of the band's 1988 track "Used To Love Her" for jurors.  (VIDEO)

The song, in which a man brags about killing his mate, was downloaded to Barber's computer just five hours before his 27-year-old wife, April, was shot dead on a deserted beach.

Barber, 33, claims a mugger attacked the couple as they strolled along the water, shooting his wife in the head and him four times in the upper body.

In a surreal moment in Judge Edward Hedstrom's courtroom, the forensic computer analyst who found the music track in deleted files on Barber's hard drive placed a laptop on the witness box and cued the song for jurors to hear.

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After some introductory guitar strumming, the gravelly voice of lead singer Axl Rose echoed through  the room.

"I used to love her, but I had to kill her/ I had to put her/ Six feet under/ And I can still hear her complain," he sings.

The lyrics were displayed on a large poster board in front of the jury box.

The victim's aunt, who raised her after her mother died, dabbed at her eyes with a tissue during the second verse: "I knew I'd miss her/ So I had to keep her/ She's buried right in my backyard."

At the defense table, Justin Barber scribbled on a notepad while his defense lawyer, Robert Willis, shook his head and bounced in his chair to the music.

On cross-examination, the analyst, Christopher Hendry, acknowledged that he could not say whether Barber listened to "Used To Love Her" the night of the murder or merely downloaded it. The lawyer questioned him about other music on the computer and Hendry, who works at the state crime laboratory, said he found almost 1,700 songs on his hard drive, including 16 that were downloaded the evening April Barber was killed.

Those songs included another Guns N' Roses song "November Rain" as well as "I'm Movin' On" by the country band Rascal Flatts and "I'm So Excited" by the Pointer Sisters.

"And out of those, we brought this one into the courtroom," defense lawyer Robert Willis asked.

"Right," Hendry said.

Under further questioning by Assistant State's Attorney Matt Foxman, Hendry noted that "Used To Love Her" was the only song deleted after the murder.

The computer analyst also testified about several Internet searches Barber conducted about six months before his wife's murder. In one on Valentine's Day 2002, Barber used his company issued laptop to search Google for "trauma cases gunshot right chest," Hendry said.

A week later, he searched for "medical trauma gunshot chest." Prosecutors have suggested he was researching ways to survive shooting himself.

The analyst also told jurors he found an undated search for "Florida divorce."


Justin Barber, in a videotaped deposition
Also Wednesday, jurors viewed a three-hour videotaped deposition Barber gave in a civil suit filed by his wife's relatives.

In it, Barber insisted that at the time of the murder,  he was under the impression that his wife's  $2 million life insurance policy had lapsed because of he had stopped paying the premiums. He said he was surprised to learn the policy was still in effect because April Barber had paid the premium herself.

In the video, Barber acknowledged affairs with five women, including two co-workers and two women he met in bars. He said April Barber never learned about his infidelities and said he and his wife had a good relationship despite maintaining residences in different cities.

"It was a normal marriage. We had our ups and downs," he said.

Testimony continues Thursday morning. The trial is being shown live in Court TV Extra.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Tomorrows on June 15, 2006, 12:56:26 AM
Ill say it again. Fucking stupid.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: lennonisgod on June 15, 2006, 02:07:07 AM
And he downloaded November Rain on the day she was murdered.  At least this fuck has somewhat of a good taste in music.  But why even play GNR in the courtroom??  ooooooooooooohhhhhhhh "The Gravely voice of Axl Rose..." 


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Tomorrows on June 15, 2006, 02:08:54 AM
And he downloaded November Rain on the day she was murdered.  At least this fuck has somewhat of a good taste in music.  But why even play GNR in the courtroom??  ooooooooooooohhhhhhhh "The Gravely voice of Axl Rose..." 

Its actually a phony court trial staged by Merck to get some "bad-boy Axl" coverage. Featuring Beta as the helpless victim and Fernando as the home-wrecker.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: .Seal on June 15, 2006, 04:51:15 AM
Those people surely have a clue.. If he gets convicted based on that  :confused:



Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: UK_Gunner on June 15, 2006, 05:32:18 AM
Stupid downloading motherfucker  :hihi:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Megaguns on June 15, 2006, 06:04:35 AM
Its cool that the judges, jury, lawyers etc have probably all had to go and buy lies.... Excellent publicity.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: WARose on June 15, 2006, 06:05:48 AM
gnr played used to love her in donnington and new york :nervous:

coincidence?


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: oldgunsfan on June 15, 2006, 09:04:09 AM
This case is as ridiculous as when Ozzy was taken to court because someone committed suicide and listened to Suicide Solution.

Too bad the prosecutor in this case doesn't know the song was written about Axl's dog :hihi:


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Tomorrows on June 15, 2006, 09:24:41 AM
This case is as ridiculous as when Ozzy was taken to court because someone committed suicide and listened to Suicide Solution.

Too bad the prosecutor in this case doesn't know the song was written about Axl's dog :hihi:

The most ridiculous one Ive ever heard of is the civil suit against Judas Priest. A dude commited suicide and his parents toook JP to court alleging that their son was influenced by a supposed backward subliminal message in Better By You Better By Me. The subliminal message commanded their son to "do it".


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: oldgunsfan on June 15, 2006, 09:33:35 AM
This case is as ridiculous as when Ozzy was taken to court because someone committed suicide and listened to Suicide Solution.

Too bad the prosecutor in this case doesn't know the song was written about Axl's dog :hihi:

The most ridiculous one Ive ever heard of is the civil suit against Judas Priest. A dude commited suicide and his parents toook JP to court alleging that their son was influenced by a supposed backward subliminal message in Better By You Better By Me. The subliminal message commanded their son to "do it".

It's like, who the fuck listens to music backwards for subliminal messages......didn't people used to say listening to Stairway to heaven" backwards you could clearly hear them say "hears to my sweet satan?" or some bullshit like that?  People need to get a grip on reality and look in the mirroe when assessing blame rather than try to pass it off on some other influence.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Alan on June 15, 2006, 09:38:52 AM
as bill hicks said, if you listen to records backwards you don't hear the devil you are the devil


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: ppbebe on June 15, 2006, 09:46:03 AM
They're not accusing the song of "making" the guy kill her.

They're using it as evidence that he was CONSIDERING killing her.

So it's just one of circumstancial evidence to decide if the killing was accidental or intentional.

They're not blaming it on the song.

No big deal.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Ellroy on June 15, 2006, 11:19:37 AM
Him having downloaded November Rain as well makes the prosecutor's point weak as the two songs are contradictory. November Rain has a fairly positive message, certainly having nothing to do with killing someone. Maybe the dude just wanted to listen to some GNR and deleted Used to Love Her because he didn't like it. That being said, this guy is highly suspicious at best. Sounds like he did it to me, but all the evidence is very circumstantial. Also it sounds like the prosecution is suggesting that he shot himself four times in the chest. If he did I'm pretty sure forensics would show that. He would have gunpowder residue on his hands, the angle of the shots, etc. Also, after he shot himself four times in the chest he would have had to dispose of the gun and, if he was wearing gloves so his fingerprints wouldn't be on the gun, dispose of gloves too. Sounds like more than I could do if I just got shot four times in the chest. He sounds suspicious, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence against him.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Gordi on June 15, 2006, 10:33:10 PM
This has happened so many times, people are always trying to lay the blame on something else: video games, horror movies, blah blah blah...  ::)


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: draguns on June 15, 2006, 11:42:51 PM
There was another case that involved "Used To Love Her", which happened  a year after Lies was released.  It was  similiar to this court case. People need to accept responsibilty for themselves and not blame it on music, movies,  video games, etc.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: Acquiesce on June 16, 2006, 03:46:21 AM
Some of you people just can't read. They are not saying the song made him kill her. They are accusing him of premeditated murder and this is one piece of evidence to try and prove it was premeditated. "Used To Love Her" was the only song he downloaded the day she was murdered (in fact it was hours before it) and was the only song deleted after the murder. They are saying he planned to murder her and he downloaded the song the day of her murder because it was about killing your loved one which he was about to do.


Title: Re: CourtTV Making Big Deal Over Used To Love Her
Post by: pilferk on June 16, 2006, 07:59:00 AM
"Used To Love Her" was the only song he downloaded the day she was murdered (in fact it was hours before it) and was the only song deleted after the murder.

1/2 right. 

He downloaded about 16 songs that day, "used to love her" being one of them.  It WAS the only song he deleted, though.