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I don't want another dream setlist thread... this is merely about some clues we're getting.

Ron's been playing parts of Don't Cry in his solo and apparently last night the whole thing?!?

And Dizzy jammed on Civil War last night.

Might we see these songs go in and some of the AFD songs come out?

They also seem to be rotating the newer tunes... no Madagascar last night. I'd be so pissed if I didn't get that song live as it's one of my favorites. But.

Will those go in? And what comes out?

I'm sure the final decision is up to Axl, but I'd assume the band is probably getting tired of churning out the same tunes every night......

and they gotta be dying to play more new stuff that is their original work.

It has to change by the time they get back to the USA....

Everything this band does is for a reason.  I honestly believe Axl is having some fun having B and Diz do these little numbers for us, the hardcores on the boards.

He's getting us ready for some setlist changes.  But the changes might not happen until the US tour.

My theory:

CD will be a 3 album, over a few years. So...


2006: Appetite For Destruction dominated Setlist, with hardly no Illusion songs and a few new songs. Later on album Part 1 Released.

2007: Use Your Illusion dominated setlist, only the key hits from Appetite, and more new songs from the new album. Part II of the album released later that year.

2008: Chinese Democracy dominated setlist, with only the hits from Appetite & the Illusions. Setlist consisting of alot of songs from Part 1 and 2 of the albums. Final album released that year.

2009: Wrap up tour, Greatist Hits from all albums playing this year, with a revolving setlist.



I know it will never happen this way, but I can dream  : ok:

Ron's played all of Don't Cry before... but Dizzy jammed Civil War?! I must hear that...

I don't think he really cares that much more about the die hards then he does the "non board" members.  I definitely don't think he puts us into the equation when deciding what the set list is....

Hey

Ya never know.

If that were the case, I think Axl would have previewed Chinese Democracy in it's entirety during the Hammerstein shows... :hihi:

But everyone knows Dont Cry and Civil War, I dont think he does it for the hardcore. The hardcore wants new stuff since they heard the old shit over and over.

But the hardcores are the only ones bitching over the setlist everyday.  Everyone here will flip out if they put civil war or Don't Cry in the setlist.
Hell, if he did that, then the suspense will be over. 

what show did ron play all of dont cry?

ummm budapest I think... he plays the clip he usually plays of it, then plays the whole thing

I don't think soon is the word...

Once again I don?t think that any major setlist changes will happen until the album comes out.  I definitely want to be at the first show after that happens!!! :)

i'd love them to slowly move towards more illusion stuff, and then when CD drops to move to that. I think they should always open with jungle! ;D no matter how good CD is, always jungle!!

Now that would be fuckin' awesome!! :beer:

I think the most new songs we're gonna get after the album release is about 8.

Hardcores aren't the only ones who like Don't Cry and Civil War. Lots of people know those songs.

I wouldnt be so sure. Im looking forward to the new stuff as much as any fan, but most people at these concerts are there for the classics. And the classics are safe crowd pleasers.

I want to hear reckliss life, nice boys, anything goes, you're crazy (Lies version) and ahem...One in a Million would be killer...

just get rid of Live & Let Die PLEASE!!!!

I wish they would drop Baz from the setlist. :hihi:

I like the guy and everything, but the more I watch Supergroup the bigger of a tool he becomes. It's kind of embarrassing to see him on the stage with GNR.

i think, personally ive seen more of a change in setlist than i ever thought was gonna happen, used to love her? never thought id get that...dont cry is comin...ron just have to get the rest of the band on board!!! the dc solo at donnington was AMAZING!!!

If there is one gn'r song you absolutely will never hear live, it's one in a million. sorry. and I doubt they'll ever play any lies tunes except for used ta love her and patience, anyway.

I thought that was just a fan's wishlist? Did he really play part of Civil War?

No.

1) CD Songs - No matter where you land on the chicken before the egg argument (i.e. were the leaks leaked intentionally because those were the songs they wanted to play on this tour or are they playing those songs on this tour because they were unintentionally leaked), I think it's clear that Axl does not want the public hearing the rest of the album until it's released.  If he was planning on unleashing any more "big guns", you would have heard them at the shows that were to receive the most press: Hammerstein, Download, etc.  There's an off chance they could drop 1-2 more when they get back to the UK, but I really doubt it.

2) More UYI Songs - I know everyone is clamoring for more, but I don't see it happening.  Axl won't play Coma or Locamotive because they are "Slash songs" and they rarely played them live with Slash anyway (I am in no way advocating reunion talk here, just stating the facts as  I see them).  Same is pretty much true with Estranged; he sees it as partially a Slash song because of the great guitar lines and they barely play it or pulled it off with Slash to begin with.  They never really played Breakdown with the old band to begin with, I don't see it happening now.  I thought I had read somewhere he did not want to play Don't Cry in memory of Shannon Hoon; perhaps Ron's instrumental rendition is a way of placating fans so they can hear the song, while still honoring Shannon's memory by omitting the vocals.  Most of the Izzy songs (Pretty Tied Up, Dust n' Bones, Bad Obssesion, Double Talkin' Jive) have a slight chance of being played now that Izzy is annouced for more of the Euro tour, but I still doubt it.  The one I'm still surpirsed they aren't playing is Civil War.

i was just watching the uyi dvd and matt said for the tour they would learn abour 30 songs and pick from them for a show.

You missed my point completely.

We on the boards are the ones clamoring for these songs.  The normal fans are fine with the current setlist.  They get to hear the AFD hits.  I mentioned that PERHAPS they are playing the little snippets to play with us on the boards.

It's just a theory, nothing more.

Regarding playing new songs, they seem to be playing a decent amount of material that has not been released. For example, on one extreme Radiohead is playing about 8 new songs slated for their next album (or possibly on their next album) a night on their current tour. On the other hand, Bob Dylan plays no new songs on his current tour and his album was recorded earlier this year and is set to come out on August 29th. Now, Radiohead doesn't have a record deal right now so that may be why they can do what they want. Dylan definitely has a deal and so does Guns. I imagine Interscope/Geffen is involved with what Axl can play or can't play at this point. It is not a coincedence that only the leaked songs and a few from 2002 are being played. There is simply to much at stake with Chinese to give the entire album away in a live setting before it is released. Too much money involved.? So, you can bitch all you want, but there will be no more new songs played until the single and album is released. :-[

wow what a year!!!GNR on tour.......new album ment to be out.....setlist change


we are lucky guys

its the band making the music... its up to them what they play, record companies dont get a mention.

I dont want any UYI songs I want CD songs. Drop some AFD songs and add CD songs

Daves right. With time, add CD songs....take off a few AFD songs but dont add more Illusion songs..theres no point

So do I, but we won't get any 'till the album drops.

Idle speculation. who knows, and frankly, who can possibly know except for the band? A boring thread that only members  of GNR can answer.

It would be funny though if Axl was all fucked up one night and did a VR song just to liven up things. :hihi:

I say get rid of most of the appetite rehash  :rant:

Civil War :drool:

If this happened, I would probably convert from Christianity to Axlism.

coma is an axl song. sure slash wrote the guitar parts and an amazing job he did but that song is one of axl's baby's.

i would be surprised if gnr ever plays reckless life or anything goes again, considering that they are old hollywood rose songs co-written by chris weber...

It's Slash' baby, and Axl said that himself.

Never thought about it that way - but ur absolutely right - they dont want anything else out there for free....

the song is axl's look at the writing credits on illusion 1. it is all about axl...............except for the guitar work. at least thats what i thought, i'd rather not argue.  :beer:

im sure there is no setlist change coming.  ill bet you have heard all the old songs they will ever play.   

I already attend the Church of Axlism.  : ok:

Maybe Axl doesn't play much UYI stuff because everybody's always bitching and saying the albums are just a bunch of filler. That always annoys me. I personally prefer the UYI albums over AFD, although I know I'm one of the very, very, very few. I think Axl's song selection is shortened a bit because of who the song supposedly belongs to. However, with Izzy playing with them so much, I was hoping they'd unleash a few more Izzy songs rather than just "Think About You." I'd rather hear "Pretty Tied Up" or "Dust N Bones" or "14 Years" anyday. I also wish Axl would perform some of HIS songs, like "Breakdown" or "Dead Horse." But eh, those songs are just "filler" anyway, right??

I'm not going to argue over it either, I'm just saying what AXL said himself:

Axl: It's like 11 minutes and 45 seconds long, with no chorus. And I think there was only like one verse that somewhat repeats itself. It's Slash's baby - it's his monster. The song used to be called Girth.

now that you brought that up i do remember that. it's just that the songs lyrics were about the coma axl slipped  into and he put alot of work into it. i just feel that no song from the original band should be off limits to this band unless for whatever reason axl doesn't want to do something. in my opinion with pittman and the three guitarists  aboard coma would be outstanding along with, perfect crime, civil war and the garden to name a few. i think as the tour progresses and the album comes out the set will change alot more. each leg should have a different " call " list.

I simply think Axl is holding off on playing more UYI material, perhaps because that material was written and performed during a period in Gn'R's history that he much rather forget about nowadays.. :-\

I don't think we'll hear anymore UYI tracks in the Fall though if we dont hear them before the end of this tour, because in the Fall hopefully these guys will have their own album out, making it kind of redundant to promote the UYI material.. :peace:

I think they'll throw in some other songs when Izzy and Baz stop making appearences.

Maybe he's holding back on the UYI songs for the reunion...

Just kidding, either he's just not into it or he wants to keep some tricks up his sleeve for later tours.

Glad to see another Lies freak  :-* dont think they'll be playing neither of them...but who am i to stop dreaming ::)

14 years should be played if izzy is there so much

Thought that  'Move to the City' would have been great for the Hammerstein shows...

The setlist will only change when Chinese Democracy is out....
Till then the same setlist night after night....