Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It's not working. Period.

No one doubts his talent. He plays hard, he plays hurt. Maybe you have to be a life-long Yankee fan to ever understand this, but A-Rod needs to go.

The fans have not come around to him, this his third year. Something about this guy, just isn't going to fit in here. Jeter's team, the fans will never, NEVER
make A-Rod a Yankee in their hearts . Period. They're all on his shit now, every at-bat and the guy clearly cannot handle it.

Understanding there are only a few teams that could handle or want this guy's salary, but I think it's time. A-Rod does not deserve the reign of boos that are being leveled on his ass every night, and it's only going to get worse. Even if he goes on a ridiculous streak for a week, the first time he gets out again in a big spot, it's going to start again.

Let's hear some trade possibilities. Make it make sense in salary and players, if you can:

My first thought would be this:? ? Andruw Jones.? I think the Braves would go for it too.? Second thought would be to Philly for Burrell and Myers.

What do you got?

A-rod is staying in new york, for perhaps the rest of the career. Get over it.

You want New York to accept them into their hearts, well he needs to start playing better overall and especially start playing in the playoffs. The Yankees will not send A-rod shipping unless he ended a season with a .230 batting average or something.

He's the reigning AL MVP so I think he's managing just fine.  Sure, he's in a slump now, but he's a veteran player, it's not his first slump and it won't be his last.  He'll still have great numbers at year-end and will continue to produce at a high level for the next several years. 

So why exactly should he be traded?

I'm over it pal. Trust me. I like the guy. I want nothing more than for him to come up big in the clutch and win the fans over. I'm afraid it's going to take nothing short of a game winning game 7 homer to do it, however. Sad , but true.  You're high if you think the Yankees would not send him packing unless he hits 230, by the way.
He was brought here by Steinbrenner to win the Pennant. He's failed in the post-season for the most part. If the right offer came along, I believe the Yankees would listen.

Umm no. He's not. This guy is not right upstairs. Being the reigning MVP does'nt mean jack shit if you don't earn your Pinstripes the right way. He's not managing just fine, because when they boo his ass, it wears on him. You can see it on his face, and you can see it in his approach to hitting now. I'm not talking about this one little slump either. Some dudes are cut out for NY and some are not. I don't care how many MVP's he wins, or how many people regard him as the best player, you need to understand the NY mentality to even say something like the above. Sorry, just my opinion, but I think he's gotta go.

I live in Salt Lake City and I know more about the yankees and George Steinbrenner than you do. That's a fact and that's sad.

A-rod will put out of his slump just like Georgesteel said.

Just because you think A rod might be traded doesn't mean it will. I put the chances of him going at 1 in 0.

Also, when you consider Matsui and Sheffield being gone until September, at least, why would they trade away another offensive player, sorry, but it ain't happening.

Last thing, it is not for you to decide whether someone is RIGHT UPSTAIRS or not. I think you should look in the mirror and ask yourself that question.

Although trading A-Rod would make absolutly no sense, I wouldn't put it past team owner Steinnbrener(sp?). He and most Yankee fans, not all just most, are complete morons.

Oh.. and yes, as you probably assumed, I am a Red Sox fan :hihi:

I really don't understand why everyone dislikes A-Rod, it's like he does 1 thing wrong and the entire state of New York is on his ass.. now I know he's slumping right now and he comes up short during the playoffs, but there is just no denying that he is a great player.

Anyway.. Yankees suck! Sorry, had to say it : ok:

You're an idiot. You are not reading what I originally said. I never suggested he wasn't pulling out of his slump. Actually if you go back and read , I believe I said
he will.

I never said he would be traded. I believe I said, I think they should trade him ( my opinion ) I never said now! Obviously with Matsui & Sheff out, they can't do that. Go back and read you last post tough guy, and check out how many things you just made up that I never said.

No, you don't know more or even close to about the Yanks, but that wasn't the point of the thread - deuschbag

Lastly, when I said he wasn't right upstairs, I wasn't suggesting he runs around in his underwear and barks at the moon. I was talking in a baseball sense. Meaning he's pressing too hard because of the booing and the fan ribbing. If you can't see that , then it is you who should look in the mirror.

Look at the title of posts before you try to start crap with someone else on these boards. The intent was not to fight. You could have easily said, I don't think he should go and explained why.  And by the way, when I say he should go, I say that fully with the thought that if the time comes, it will be A-Rod's decision as well, because he can't get comfortable here.

That's it. Now, if you'd like to end the insults and have a serious baseball discussion, I'd be happy to.  If you are going to resort to " I know more about this...and that....then just save your time and go play with some children your own age -

A-Rod is going nowhere.  No one wants his contract, the Yankees have no one else to play third, and he fits well there.

I still think he's better off as a SS (while Jeter should be moved elsewhere).  And besides, every time he's shipped off somewhere else, the team that dumped him gets better.  I believe the Mariners had there 100+ win season the year after he left (I may be wrong there), the Rangers got better after he was sent to the Yankees.  Last thing we need are the Yankees getting better!  :hihi:

A-Rod's slump is not the reason the Yankees aren't absolutely dominating.  Steinbrenner just should do like he said when he bought the Yankees and stay out of the baseball operations.  The team was terrible from the early 80's to the early 90's.  When he had his 3-year suspension (I think it was 3), the team dumped all the big-name stiffs and stocked up the minors.  The moment he came back, the prospects were gone, and the team won with homegrown talent.

Now, 5 years after their last WS win, the team is again stocked with big namers who can do nothing once the postseason starts.  The team lacks role-players.  A huge lump of stars, while good on paper, is just that-- a good teal solely on paper.

Cristian Guzman, Jake Westbrook, Mike Lowell, Alfonso Soriano, Damaso Marte, Eric Milton, Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, David Dellucci, Jose Contreras, Willy Mo Pena, Brandon Claussen, Ted Lilly, Yhency Brazoban,

SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!
(Sorry, watching hockey game and the Oilers just won)

Anyways, back to the list... all of the previously listed players plus Dioner Navarro and Zach Day were all in the Yankees farm system at one point.  Imagine the team they could have if they kept these guys and let the big name FA's walk on by.  Gotta love Steinbrenner and his "not get[ting] involved in day-to-day baseball operations."

I agree, A-Rod needs to go.  He's not a true Yankee and never will be until he produces in the playoffs and he's shown that he can't.  H eis among several mistakes the Yankees have made recently.  Randy Johnson is horrible, they signed Shef instead of going after Vlad, Jaret Wright, that pussy Pavano and letting Bernie stick around too long.  The proof that A-Rod was a bad trade is the season that Soriano is having, why couldn't he have played third?  They need to trade him for pitching.

Very well said. All you need to do is look at the teams that won the Series from 96-2000' and you'll see there were a few mercenaries brought in, but they won it without the absolute best players available on the market every year. I mean the Paul O'neill's of the world are hard to find, but those were the types of guys that get it done in the big spots.

Jealous, stil, that we got A-rod when your deal fell through?? Stinging because we lured Damon away, huh?? Or does the pain go all the way back to the Boggsie and Clemens days?? Heck, we even got the Babe from your roster!? Man, how I pity Red Sox Nation.? It must get old being second fiddle.....and you can't even use the stupid "curse" excuse anymore cause you finally actually won one.? ? ;D (Note, I'm joking around....)

I, too, don't understand why A-Rod takes any heat.? All he's done, so far, as a Yankee is switch positions and become a solid 3rd basemen, put up stellar numbers (til this most recent slump) and basically play his ass off.? He's hit for average AND Power.? People saying he's "not a clutch hitter" obviously have no clue what they're talking about.? All you have to do is look at all his numbers.? The guy wins games, for gods sake.? Nobody is going to trade A-Rod simply because he's in a little slump...mostly because you know he'll pull out of it, but also because WHERE are you going to find a better guy to play 3rd base??

The fact that Yanks fans give the guy grief isn't much of a surprise. It's what they're best at...deservedly or not.? A-Rod can handle it.? In countless interviews, of late, he's talked about it.? Does it get to him?? Sure, probably.? But he's handling it exactly the way he should, and the way he needs to.? He's happy in NY, and he ain't going anywhere any time soon.

Oh, and btw...it always floors me when Red Sox fans say the Yanks suck.? If they suck, given they've won more world series than the Sox, more division titles than the Sox, and currently are ahead of the Sox at the top of the standings......what does that say about the Sox?? :)

PS: How do you make a Red Sox fan cry?

Bill Buckner!

I know, I know...doesn't sting quite as much anymore, but still.....

 :rofl:

1) How has he proven he can't?? One bad series?  And besides...you have to MAKE the playoffs, first, right?  Jeesh, I wonder who put of the big numbers last year that helped carry the Yanks INTO the playoffs?  Let me check...

2) Randy has pitched a couple of gems, of late.? Lets see what happens next before we declare him "horrible".

3) Shef was doing just fine for the Yanks until he go hurt.

4) I'll agree on Jaret and Pavano.? They're overpriced, injury prone, and not that great when healthy.

5) Bernie took a HUGE pay cut to be a role player on that team.? With Matsui and Shef going down, it's a good thing he did.? His bat has been saving the Yanks asses, of late.

6) Soriano would have played 2nd base.....he did while with the Yanks.? They didn't need him at 3rd, even if they kept him.

They're not gonna trade A-rod.? You don't trade away the best player in the game because he's having a slump....

You're not reading this correctly.   No said they were going to trade him. And no one suggested you trade the best player int he game because he's having a slump.
Read the title of the thread - It's a question???????????????  It was to get Yankee fan's opinions on whether or not he will ever be accepted or whether he'd be better off in a different city. That's all

No, I read it just fine.

I was replying to this comment from gild1. "They need to trade him for pitching".? That's why you'll see his response quoted in my reply.? Perhaps it's you who need to read more closely?

In any event, the question was "Time for A-Rod to say Bye-Bye to NY????", right?

And how would he go?? He can't leave without being traded.? His contract is too long.

So, my answer to that is exactly the one I gave to gild1.? They're not going to trade him, so he's going no where.?You dont' trade the best player in the game simply because he's having a slump.? He could ask to be traded, I suppose,? and Steinbrenner would laugh at the guy....but I don't think A-Rod would ask.? He's got no reason to.? The only guy who does stuff like that is Manny (being Manny).

Will he be accepted?? I have no idea.? I accept him.? But it doesn't really matter because, as a professional, he'll play hard regardless.

Would he be better off in another city? No, I doubt he would.? He's put up consistant numbers straight through every city he's played in, including NYC so far.  Numbers (well, the ones on the field) have never been the issue with A-rod, no matter what city he's in.  The problem has always been that the team he's with can't afford him...because to pay him a commesurate salary with the rest of MLB, considering his numbers, means he has to be at the very top % of the pay scale.  Only big market teams can afford those dollars (another stumbling block to him leaving NYC).

The Yankees NEVER look to dump huge budget players, In Fact the owner pays outrageous sums to players if he thinks a great talent is going to new york mets or boston, he will throw so much money at them and pick them up.  A-rod has power with his HR's, Speed with his steals, Great 3B who can fill in at SS if Jeter was to go down.  Steinbrenner never looks to dump his roster if anything look for the yankees to try and pick up an expensive veteran from a tampa bay, or the royals or another team not in contention. A-Rod will be a yankee as long as he is healthy.

True, but not an entirely fair portrait. ?You have to look at the big picture economics of the situtation to understand just WHY those teams got better. ?The best player in baseball is still only one bat in your lineup and one guy in on the field. ?When you're paying him, essentially, the salary of 2 to 3 (if not more) good players...sometimes it's best to free up the room to hire those good players over the high priced incredible player...especially when your payroll is not unlimited.

The Rangers were in a similar situation, but they turned an even better deal. ?They not only freed up room on their payroll, they got some good talent sent their way, too, in the form of Soriano. ?I was never quite sure why they traded him away, other than to free up MORE room on the payroll (since he would have gotten a pretty good deal in arbitration), but they seem to have used all of it pretty well.

The Yanks, on the other hand, have proven they really don't NEED more room on their payroll...because it's basically infinite (luxury tax or no luxury tax). ?Trading away A-Rod would be a boneheaded move of the highest order, but I don't think doing so would make them "better", in any way, shape, or form. ?Because their not likely to derive the benefits that other teams have when A-Rod has left. ?

Ummm...where exactly in that earlier thread that you quoted and responded to did it say that they need to trade him BECAUSE he's in a slump?
That's what I was saying

Look at the team the Yankees could have right now had they not traded nearly every prospect away for big-name, ego-driven talent:

C Jorge Posada
1B Nick Johnson
2B Robinson Cano
3B Mike Lowell
SS Alfonso Soriano
LF Hideki Matsui
CF Derek Jeter
RF Willy Mo Pena
DH Bernie Williams
SP Rotation: Andy Pettitte, Jose Contreras, Jake Westbrook, Ted Lilly, Brandon Claussen
Bullpen: Eric Milton, Zach Day, Yhency Brazoban, Chien-Ming Wang, Matt Smith, Damaso Marte, Mariano Rivera
Bench: Dioner Navarro, David Dellucci, Cristian Guzman, Andy Phillips

Lineup: Jeter, Cano, Soriano, Matsui, Posada, Pena, Williams, Lowell, Johnson

That team would be absolutely deadly, wouldn't have as many huge egos, and might actually have won a World Series or two since 2000.  The only weak spot is maybe the #5 starter and a couple guys in the bullpen.

Look at the great Yankee teams of the past-- primarily, if not entirely, homegrown talent.  Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson are the only names that stick out as big winners who weren't homegrown.  One could put Paul O'Neill and Tino Martinez in there, but they were both really just let go of by teams who either had no place for them (O'Neill), or gave up on them (Tino).  Every year the Yankees bade a big name free agent signing or big-name trade, no World Series win.

2001: Mike Mussina
2002: Jason Giambi
2003: Hideki Matsui, Aaron Boone, Jeff Weaver
2004: A-Rod Sheffield
2005: Randy Johnson
2006: Johnny Damon (Coco's better!)

2001: Mike Mussina
2002: Jason Giambi
2003: Hideki Matsui, Aaron Boone, Jeff Weaver
2004: A-Rod Sheffield
2005: Randy Johnson
2006: Johnny Damon (Coco's better!)


Coco's better?????????   Not quite

Dude, look at your own quote:

"No said they were going to trade him. And no one suggested you trade the best player int he game because he's having a slump."

But now, you switch directions AGAIN.

I added the slump part since it would be the only logical explanation someone could have for suggesting he be traded. What other reason could there be?  He puts up consistant, incredible numbers.  He's a team player.  He likes NYC.  What else is there?

 The slump is, essentially, what's leading to the booing. The "suggestion" was he should go because he isn't being "accepted" by the fans (and I assume your evidence of this is their reaction when he's at bat).  He sure as hell wasn't getting booed during the early part of the season when he was hitting.  Thus, you've suggested he be traded because he's in a slump. Or that he'd ASK to get traded because of the slump. The logic is pretty easy to follow.

The fact is, with few exceptions, every notable Yankee in history has been booed at some point in their career.  It's what the fans do...they get on guys having a bad streak or even just a bad day.  The players know that.

Just a mis-understanding Pilferk - When you just said " Dude look at your own quote - My own quote said " No said they were gonna trade him ( It was supposed to read - No one said they were going to trade him) The slump part you threw in there, understandably because he's slumping now, but I've been to 18 games already this year and you don't want to know how many I went to last year, trust me when I tell you this is nothing new. From within his 2nd or 3rd month on the team, the fans have always been very un-easy with him ( And I'm not saying I agree with that ) - It's almost like he can do no right in their mind - And for that, I was giving my honest opinion that he should sit down with Cashman and find another home. Obviously there's like what? 2 teams that could even handle his financial status, but you never know, it could be done, and I really believe if a team called the Yanks today and inquired - that they would listen. Probably not for this season, but for the off-season....maybe

Apologies if I was abrasive earlier - did'nt mean to be - honest :-X

Let's address some of those, shall we.

Posada is there, obviously
1B Nick Johnson, while a solid player, has been plagued with injuries. ?He also had a pretty sucky 2004 season. ?Consistency and health are both questionable.
2B Robinson Cano is already there...and it was either him or Soriano. ?If you think Jeter was gonna leave the SS position, you're smoking crack. ?He wasn't gonna do it for A-Rod, never mind Soriano. ?Which means soriano would have been delegated to exactly the spot he's in, and so unhappy with, with the Nationals. ?The outfield.
3B Mike Lowell is a solid 3rd baseman. ?That said, he's no A-Rod. He had a terrible '05 season, and to keep him would have meant bumping Scott Brocious off 3rd base, something that would have been considered sacrelidge had you suggested it at the time.
SS Alfonso Soriano wouldn't be at SS. ?He might have held 2nd base, with Cano in the outfield, but it's more likely to have happened the other way. ?And we all know Soriano is not happy about the assignement down in Washington, which means he woudln't have been happy about it in NYC, either. ?And it means there's a good chance he would have left, of his own accord, with the Yanks getting nothing. ?I'd say, as good as Soriano is....I'd trade him for A-rod every day of the week and 2x on Sunday.
LF Hideki Matsui is already in the OF.
CF Derek Jeter is playing SS, and would not be playinig any other position for quite some time.
RF Willy Mo Pena is a good point, except he left the Yanks farm system VERY early on. ?To credit him as a "product" of their farm system might be a bit of a stretch. ?
DH Bernie Williams is there, obviously.

 Andy Pettitte left of his own accord. ?He wasn't traded.
 Jose Contreras had his chance in NYC..more than one chance, actually, and sucked. ?You want to talk about people who can't "hack it" playing for the Yanks? ?You need look no further than Contreras.
 Jake Westbrook is a stretch. ?He was drafted by the Rockies and only spent about 6 mos with the Yanks...and brought them David Justice, for Gods sake. ?Surely that's fair compensation back in 2000?
 Ted Lilly went over FOR Jake...so you can't have both.
 Brandon Claussen brought the Yanks Aaron Boone. Hardly a huge name...and hardly a bad trade.

Bullpen: I'm gonna ignore the bullpen because, by and large, there ARE a lot of Yankee prospects and farm system grads there.
Eric Milton,
Zach Day,
Yhency Brazoban,
Chien-Ming Wang,
Matt Smith,
Damaso Marte,
Mariano Rivera

Bench: Dioner Navarro, David Dellucci, Cristian Guzman, Andy Phillips
Most of the above guys were not going to stay put and play second fiddle.
Andy is probably going to get his shot in the very near future...he's already basically getting it, but within the next couple of years you'll see him as a full time Yankee position player. Giambi, as good a season as he's having, is not going to last forever at 1B...it's already a platoon job.

how about the fucking mets baby,. fuck A-Sap, he can't play under pressure, take your red neck randy with em..

Nice call, Mike, I fuckin love it!  I know it's only June and all but they are looking great.

The fucking mets are playing great ball - but I know you're kept up late at nights , knowing full well that if we meet in the Series - The Yanks are gonna wipe the floor with you AGAIN!

The Series?  Please, I just want to win the division, it's only been 18 years. 

Yeah, I hear ya. Feel good though. Minaya's built you guys a pretty solid squad. I'm a little worried about your pitching though. It's in better shape than the Yanks, but it's still a little shaky, I think -

I would just worry about the yankees, the mets are the far superior team this year... I hope A chump can breath with all that choking :smoking:

19 games over 500, 9 1/2 up on the phillies who they just swept 9-1 on their road trip, david wright baby 50 rbi, batting 335

The yanks will battle this year, I love that that hillbilly randy johnson finally sucks.. Nothing makes me happier the when the boss spend  mucho bucks and the investment goes belly up...

I had to listen to all the bandwagon yankee fans for the past decade ,I'm just having some fun... Donny baseball brought his bad luck to the team :hihi:

It's not even the all star break and you are talking shit .   You mut fans need to worry about your own pathetic franchise  and stop obsessing over the Yankees.   Remember that your team plays in a pathetic division and the NL in general is a pathetic joke.  The yankees have tons of injuries  and are still in first place.  As far as Yankees fans being bandwagoners  , every single successful franchise has its share of bandwagon fans ( cowboys, lakers, etc)  .  I think it is a disgrace how you mut fans don't even go to shea to support your team.  Everytime I turn on SNY  that Dump you call a ballpark is always half empty, while yankee stadium sells out even for the Kansas City Royals. Yankees will have a total of 5 million people in attendance this yr  that is just insane .  Tell me, what is the excuse for Mets not to sell out, if the Yankees fans are such bandwagoners like you say they are  wouldn't it make sense  for them to be attending Shea Stadium   since the muts have a better record??  Just face it,  Muts will always be second fiddle to the Yankees.  Go to any country around the world and ask them to name an American sports team and they will all say " Yankees".    Yankees = american sports  .   So please stop your bitterness  and put the 2000 yankee ass woopin behind you ,  it is obviously eating you mut fans  inside. 

you trying to tell me with JD, gay rod, jeeeeter, and juice box giambi you still need more hitters :hihi: You have one consistent pitcher in mussina, no one's fault randy finally got old this year.. MAtsui is missed, but I think shefield is finished or soon to be he has to many problems...

True the mets are second to the yankees, but that's because they had many years of winning from 96 on, when I was a kid following the mets all through the 80's it was the mets on the daily new sport section cover..? Mets have a damn good team with lots of young potential, so there's a future there, yanks are on the decline anlthough george will keep trying to buy more championships.. The other day the paper said best team in baseball, showed A rod looking up at the mets...

I go to see the mets play, but not much because I hate taking the train to queens.. trust me just like the past years when teh yanks start sucking the seats will empty..

Superstars win games.  Proper role players win championships.  The latter is what the Yankees have lacked since 2000.

ROBINSON CANO, MILKY CABRERA  AND ANDY PHILLIPS   ARE DOING A VERY GOOD  JOB. THEY PROVIDE THAT SPARK THE YANKEES HAVE LACKED SINCE 2001.    THE PROBLEM IS MIDDLE RELIEF,  YANKEES NEED DOTEL BADLY   .  FARNSWORTH HAS GREAT STUFF BUT HE'S A CHOKER  THAT WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO PERFORM IN A PRESSURE SITUATION IN THE PLAYOFFS.

BTW   I HATE AROD.   I WISH AARON BOONE WOULD HAVE NEVER HURT HIMSELF  PLAYING BASKETBALL DURING THE OFFSEASON.

As an Indians fan (as well as a Red Sox fan), we'll trade him to you for a case of baseballs and maybe a couple pouches of chew.

I gotta come in to aid COMA...FFFFFFFFFFUCK the Yankees!


2000

baseball is shite, who cares

er we do ;)

favorite pic ;) just having some fun, I've been getting abuse for 10 years

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david wright man, 5 rbi grandslam, the guy is amazing this year 335, 55 rbis about 14 hrs

The numbers back you up Mike.? In 1995 - the year before the Yankees won the World Series (and they were a playoff team) - Steinbrenner & Co. drew 21,000 a game.? Compare that to the Mets this year - a team that hasn't won the World Series in 20 years and hasn't won a division in 18 years - they're bringing in 42,000 a game.?

In a few Years the new Yankee Stadium will be built. Attendance from that point on will be ridiculous. As long as Steinbrenner is alive, and Jeter's still playing, he will field a team worth of going to see. You may have to wait 15 years untill they start drawing dick again.

I think the over/under on that is more like 3.5.

Don't follow ???

I'm saying Steinbrenner's got 3 and a half years left, tops.  In fact, I'm not even convinced that guy's still alive as we speak.  He never appears in public anymore; all we see are statements released by his office.

Ok - that's what I thought you meant. Yeah, I agree. ?His time is running out. He's starting to look like the average guy's grandmother, actually.

that's why I said he'll buy another championship.. I miss home grown talent like the mets are doing now, sure you have to get  akey player here n there but I like the guys from teh farm system, reyes, wright, and if lastings can be good..

That's the problem-- the only championships Steinbrenner has bought are division championships and occasionally AL championships.  A team of 100% superstars will do well in the regular season, but nothing more.  A team of a few superstars and a bunch of homegrown roleplayers will do much more.  The WS winning teams of 1996 through 2000 were homegrown talent (Posada, Jeter, Williams, Pettite, Rivera), some purchased role players (Martinez, O'Neill, Knoblauch), and a couple purchased superstars (Clemens).

A good mix of different types of players are what a team needs-- and you can't just buy them all.  Throwing money at mediocre guys having good seasons to be your "role players" rarely works-- the proof is in Ken Phelps, Tim Leary, Matt Nokes, Jack Clark, Mel Hall, Tony Womack, Melido Perez, Danny Tartabull, Jesse Barfield, Rick Rhoden, Steve Sax, Steve Balboni, and the stiffs they got in exchange for Willie McGee and Fred McGriff.

Steinbrenner is good when it comes to a team that will repeatedly win in the regular season.  But when it comes to World Series winning teams, he should have left the wheeling and dealing up to Gene Michael.

"We plan absentee ownership as far as running the Yankees is concerned. We're not going to pretend we're something we aren't. I'll stick to building ships." -- George Steinbrenner, January 3, 1973.  George Steinbrenner has had the worst win to payroll ratio in history.

No doubt the Mets youth infusion is quite impressive. Milledge is a thug though, you better be careful with that guy!

Wright is impressive, even for a Met hater like me!

Great quote, but I'm going to do the unthinkable and defend Steinbrenner on this one.  When it comes to baseball, isn't the regular season a better reflection of who the best team is?  Playoff series are so dependent on luck and who happens to be on a hot streak.  I don't understand how people put more value into who is better over 7 games rather than 162.
 

yeah he is, hopefully he can be smart and learn from darryl and dwight... Oh my childhood favs how they ruined it all/ Strawberry woyuld have hit well over 500 home runs :-\

OMG!! He's Alvar Hanso of the hanso foundation!! (The "Lost" fans, if there are any reading this, will get it...I promise).

Are you sure about that?  I'd like to see some numbers to back that up.

I mean, through his whole 20 plus year tenure, there were certainly some lean years in the 80's.  But given they've won the AL East for just about every year for the past 10 years, I gotta think his win to payroll ratio, overall, is pretty good.  Of course, you're also somewhat comparing apples to oranges, since NOBODY spends what the Yankees spend...because NOBODY pulls the revenue the Yankees pull.

Now, if you're talking "win the big one" ratio to payroll, I'm sure you're right.  They've spent more, and won fewer WS, than many teams out there.  But, in 20 years, I think only the Braves have made as many WS appearances...and I don't think ANY team has won MORE...

The only way Steinbrenner goes anywhere is 6 feet under and I think the guy's in pretty good shape for his age: I think he's only 70 or 71.......

But ever since he gave Cashman more control over the team, they seem to be doing the right things more and not overreacting like he did from 2001-2005

Please don't remind me about some of the boneheaded moves the Yanks made :'(

fucking mets go home then get ice cold all at once :peace: :P

lets hope teh yanks can beat philly

Don't worry Guiliana .....The mighty Yanks will bail your ass out : ok:

call me mike... yeah they did it two out of 3... My friend went bonkers, when the yanbks blew a 9-2 lead saturday

Weekend at bernies, he's abck from the dead :hihi:

Just calm down Mets fans and see if they can continue to play like this and stay healthy....the Spankees have had enough injuries for 2 seasons in the last 2 months and are still only 2 out in the end of June :o

But the Mets look like they can coast the rest of the way especially playing in the shitty division they play in :hihi:

The good thing about the yankees right now is that Sheffield will be out til' September, this is the last year of his contract so we might just be saying good-bye to him after this year. I pray. I want Cabrera to stay in the outfield.

Also, back To A-Rod: A-rod has a no-trade clause in his contract so in order to be traded, he would need to request to be traded.

But, with the way New Yorkers treat Alex, I woulden't be suprised if he really started falling apart over it.

Agreed 100% - I want Sheff gone too

Sheff needs to get back on the undetectable roids from his buddy Bonds to speed up his recovery.

I think a bigger stumbling block than the no-trade clause is that contract of A-Rod's.  Yeah, he could waive the no-trade clause to be sent somewhere, but how many teams out there would give up something AND take on even most of that huge contract?  Only the Yankees and Red Sox really have that kind of money and/or are willing to spend that kind of money, and there's no way in hell they'll send him to a team in their division.

You are absolutely right about the contract status. I really believe 2 things are possible though. I think a team in a big city ( L.A.?) that want's to make a splash and has the $$$ to do it, COULD take a chance in the near future on him.  and #2 - I think if the Yanks fail this year, and A-Rod continues to get hammered each and every day EVEN THOUGH he finishes with a line of .300 / 35hrs / 115rbi ........then he would consider that maybe it's time for a change of scenery again. Consider is the key here.

I think at some point Yankee fans will accept A-Rod as a "true Yankee".  If they accepted Roger Clemens (possibly the biggest scumbag in sports history who in the end gave a big Fuck You to the Yankees and their fans), they'll accept A-Rod.

Yes, it's possible. Especially considering Clemens was a Red Sox.  But the personality also goes a long way with the fans of NY. Clemens was a no-nonsense in your face type of dude. Much the way the Big Unit is. But Clemens earned his respect with his performance, Johnson has not. A-Rod is still seen as a fragile pretty-boy, trying to make everyone happy and that's part of the problem.

Biggest Scum-Bag?

Roger Clemens?

One of the greatest pitchers of all time and you're calling him a scumbag. Please... :-\

One has nothing to do with the other.  Ever hear of Ty Cobb?

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I saw this on myspace :hihi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbSi6L-PYA

I love this guy^

This goes to the creator of this thread:

A-rod just homered today to give the yankees a 4-3 win after 12 innings. So, what do you say now?

"3 -1.  Here's the pitch.  The ball is up, going back, Langerhans looks up at it...that ball is GONE. The YANKEES WIN!  THE YANKEES WIN! There go the boos and here come the cheers. A-Rod hits a walk off, 2 run blast to end the game and give the Yanks a 4-3 win."

I'd say that was about the clutchest piece of hitting anyone could ask for, eh?

Very clutch!  Let's promote him from Mr. March to Mr. June.  :hihi:

Geez, what was I thinking? I take it all back now!  A-Rod homered in a big spot, He's a true Yankee!  Hey dipshit, the point of the thread was about the Yankee FANS perception of him, not my feelings, not that he can't hit in the clutch. If you think for one second, that the next time he strikes out in a big spot, it's not going to start all over again, then wake the fuck up. He homered 3 times off Colon & Angels last year, got curtain calls, front page of the paper, big game, etc.  The fans still gave him shit shortly after

"An A-Bomb from A-Rod"  :hihi:

All's I can say is it's about fucking time :hihi:

If he could do that or something to the equivalent about 30% of the time rather than the 2% in clutch situations A-Rod might actually get some love from the NY faithful....but as it stands now.....once every 2 months or so won't cut it ;D

Unless your name's is Jeter, the fans give everyone shit.

Mariano Rivera, who no one can deny is about as True a Yankee as one can get, has gotten boo'd recently.

Jorge Posada, who, again, you can't deny is about as True a Yankee as one can get, has gotten boo'd this season.

That's what playing in NYC entails. ?When you make a great play, hit a big home run, or pitch a great game...the fans love you. ?The minute you don't...they forget everything you've done in tha past.

Welcome to Yankees baseball. ?Been that way for as long as I can remember....

The real Yankees fans accept A-Rod as a Yank. ?But they're fickle. ?

To be completely fair and accurate:
From the numbers ESPN put up yesterday (late inning hits, with a lead/deficit of 3 runs or less, I THINK with men on base but I'm not sure), he gets a hit about 22% (.218, to be exact) of the time, with 6 home runs, this season.  That's in a possible 40-something at bats, they said.  Off his .280 average, to be sure.  But nowhere near 2%.

You would hope he hit at or slightly above his average.  But in the grand scheme of the numbers, you're talking  about 6% to, at most, 10% difference over what you'd want to see him do.  And that's taking into account his AWFUL slump that lasted most of June.

He's getting a bad rap. I've been saying that from the beginning of the thread. It's unfair treatment , for the most part.

I still can't see how SportsCenter named that home run the #1 play of the day.  I mean hell, who compiled the list, Tim McCarver?

He was Mr. May. ;)

Nice, Pilferk!  Were you standing in my house yesterday?  :hihi:

Actually, Mr. May was the great Dave Winfield.  A-Rod earned the Mr. March label with his performance in this year's World Baseball Classic.  But you got my point. : ok:

Ohhhh - my bad!  Then the announcer was wrong a few weeks ago.  He said that they way A-Rod was playing that he wouldn't be Mr. June and thus wouldn't have 2 months in a row.  Doesn't matter as far as your point goes though...

Hey comative or whatever your name is...the point of this thread is that some selfish guy (you) was not happy with a-rod's performance. I don't blame you, none of us yankee fans have been happy with his performance.

However, I was waiting, waiting and waiting for a-rod to do something big (and he did) just so I could rub it in your face.

BTW, you do know that in order for a-rod to be traded, he has to ask to be traded. And what team besides maybe the red sox would have the money to take on that contract?

Oh and don't be suprised if:

A) A rod is still in a yankee uniform by the time September rolls around.
B) A rod ends up putting monster numbers by the end of the year.

Quote those stats to any Yankees fan, and they'll look at you like you have 3 heads :hihi:

If you have a 3 run lead, with the prospect of having Rivera pitch at least 1inning for you late in the game, you're pretty well set....

Now, if ESPN wanted to show the Stats that Yankees fans really care about, the number of hits A-ROD has from the 7th inning on, with the Yankees trailing from 1-3 runs, with runners on base, w/ at least 1 out?    I don't know what the number would be, but I'd bet he has more strikeouts than hits, and more DPs than hit, with 1 HR (that being yetserday)

Cause I know the HR's ESPN is talking about, and there the one where he pads an already established lead the Jeter got for them :rofl:

A_ROD puts up great number, but to most Yankees fans, their empty numbers, when the game's been decided

Well, given I AM a Yankees fan, and have been for the last...oh, I don't know...about 30 years... and I'd say they're compelling numbers.

The FACTS are, whenever anyone puts up ANY numbers, they're not nearly as bad as SOME Yankees fans think they are.? Perception is not reality (evidenced by the fact you don't KNOW the numbers, but ASSUME they? aren't very good), no matter how much you'd like it to be.? Is there room for improvement? Sure there is.? Jeesh...something for the best player in the game to work on to get BETTER.? Using ESPN's numbers, he needs to get just about 3 more hits, in those 40-something at bats, to be converting AT his average.? I'm sure he's hard at work on scrounging up those 3 extra hits.....given his performance the other night it looks like he's making some progress, eh?

And the numbers ESPN showed DID include the number's you're talking about.? It was a combined "lead/defecit" number. Both sides are, really, just as important. But, if you're suggesting all his hits came with a lead...well, I'd love to see some proof of that.? 'Cause, quite frankly, I doubt it's true.? And the numbers people have been putting up, of late, defending A-rod back that doubt up. Your "anecdotal" memory just isn't as compelling, all things considered.

And there's no way "great numbers" can be "empty numbers".? A statement like that can only come from someone who doesn't really know the game of baseball, or hasn't put much thought into the statement.? It's ludicrous. You hit 300+, with 40+ homers and 120+ RBI's every year and it's impossible for them to be "empty" numbers.? ?You can "percieve" them to be empty numbers, but the truth is perception is not reality.

Many Yankees fans are fickle.? They don't need actual evidence to support their opinions.? They percieve something to be true, so it's true....to them.? But from every number you can look at, A-rod is a benefit to that team.? And he just proved it, again, the other night with that blast to beat Atlanta.? Maybe that will change perception, a bit, in the stands.

I'll tell you what the point of this thread was ( For the 5th time) - It's not working. No matter what he does, the fans treat him like a dog.  No problem with you waiting for him to do something big, and then rubbing it in , I actually expected that. But, again, I did'nt start this thread with a title that says " A-Rod sucks" or
Comamotive hates A-Rod.  It was more or less about the fan reaction ( which I see up-close)

To answer your questions - Yeah, I understand he has to ask to be traded. That was the point. And the money thing, How many times do I have to respond to you to tell you that I understand there are only a few teams that can handle the $$$- I think I actually said it from the start


a) Yes, he will be in uniform in September. Never said he would'nt - I said after the season he may just consider a change and the Yanks MAY listen

b)  Of course he will put up monster numbers.


Read the damn threads before you make up crap about what the thread is actually saying.  If I'm wrong, please quote any of my words to me where I ever said he will not put up Monster numbers or that he WILL be out of a Yankee uniform by September , and I will sincerely apologize.  Good luck with that Markus.

By the way, to further my point, even though he had that huge hit the other day - This is what will happen when he comes to bat tonight - I'll be there and I will be happy to report to you -  He will get cheered very loudly. But, if he get's out with men on base - they will reign down boos on his ass just like it was Tuesday - especially since it's the Mets.  This is a reality pal, face it. This is not going to go away for the guy untill he wins a playoff game against Boston or a World Series game, with a walk-off.      Later dude

Whatever pilferk ;D

All's I know that whenever I watch A-rod when the Yanks are trailing I'm upset with him the majority of the time :hihi:

I have 2 nicknames ofr him and there not "Mr March" or Mr June ::)

They are Mr 6-4-3 and Mr? (I wish i could do a reverse K to signify striking out looking) :hihi:

Yeah i watch the Yankees, and have been a fan since birth......

And sure, you can say his numbers aren't "empty"? it just seems he drives most of hi runs in and hits most of his HRs when the game has been decided are there is a big lead or deficit.

Who would you rather have up in a tie game, bottom of the ninth, with Damon on 2nd, Jeter or A-Rod?? 99.9% of the people that are Yankees fans that I asked this question to answered the SS.

Trying to reason with a dude that sports Batman as his logo is harder than you think

 :rofl: :hihi: that gave me a good laugh

I hate the yankees, especially  PAY-ROD.  I will concede that playing in NY and that enormous contract are a lethal combination that few, if any players could ever live up to.  Look at my beloved Carlos Beltran, last year, bad year, first year of big contract and he stunk up the joint.  It's a huge weight.  But PAY-ROD is an egotistical jackass and I hate his Hamburger Helper batting gloves, so he gets NO sympathy from me.  The Evil Empire that is the Yankees is finally starting to crack.  The team has no chemistry, or character, too many big egos.  Fuck 'em!

Woo hoo A-Rod rocks!  : ok:  Beautiful grand slam just when the Yanks needed it!  :beer:

This is the point of the thread!  He's not deserving of the rough treatment. He single-handedly won that game yesterday. I give him 2 or 3 times tops, at home, getting out in a big spot before the boos start again. It's a shame.

For the record, they still would have won without his 7 RBI.  ;)

Congrats on the series win and enjoy it because the division race with Boston will be brutal.  I'm content to have the Mets go back to beating the crap out of the NL East. :beer:

I was at the game against the Braves when A-Rod hit the walkoff, as well as last nights game versus the Mets. (Season tickets rule :)...too bad we have to split them with neighbors :-\)

But after he hit the walkoff, some people around me and while walking out were saying things to the tune of "Oh woo hoo he comes in and hits ONE homerun and wins it, big whoop, he'll just suck it up next time a big spot comes up." I mean come on. I'm a huge Yankee fan and I know A-Rod hasn't been the SUPERSTAR HOME-RUN everytime player that some and most people want, but he's clutch, no matter what people say. He may not come through everytime, but he'll come through enough times.

At the game last night vs. the Mets, people were booing and giving him shit from where I was sitting after he grounded out in the 5th inning I believe? They were yelling "boooooo!! go back to texas!!" But then again, I'm sure the rain delay plus 15 beers didn't help.

Fact is, IMO, A-Rod isn't going to be freaking jacked up 60+HR each year man. He'll hit between 35-45 a year and hit around .300 and drive in over 120 RBI in his years as a Yankee. Steve Phillips was saying on ESPN how the Yankees may look to deal him, and I just think no matter the struggles he's having, he's still having a good year. I just don't see Georgie dealing his boy A-Rod who is bringing a bunch of people to the park into the seats.

A good point....

if it weren't for the fact I'm the only one using actual numbers, and not anecdotal garbage.

If anyone were trying to "reason" with me, I'd listen.  But spewing fallacies (2%....??), or basing an opinion on...well...nothing of much substance...isn't reason.

Being a "fan since birth" doesn't mean you know baseball.  I know (and have known) plenty of Yankees fans who don't actually REALLY understand the game.  It goes with being the most popular (and, conversely, the most hated) baseball team on the planet.

Using words like "seems" and "I'm upset with him the majority of the time", once again, speaks to basing your opinion on anecdotal information.   I gave you numbers.  There's lots of other numbers out there.  They all say the same thing: A-Rods repuation, and the way some of the fans treat him, is pretty much unfounded and not based on reality.  Not to mention you've had 2 pretty good examples, in the past week, of him having "important" homeruns and hits.

 And saying you're upset with a hitter "the majority of the time"?????? You do realize that hitters DON'T HIT much more than 30% (and that's a good average) of the time.  And an OBP hovering around .450, which is considered pretty good, also means THEY FAIL TO GET ON BASE MORE THAN HALF THE TIME?  You can't hit .300, 40+ homers, and average 120+ RBI's for your career (and with the Yanks, too) and put up "mostly empty numbers".  It's statistically impossible.  Of course, don't let reality sway your opinion....  ::)

As for who I'd rather have up, it would depend.  How far behind am I? 1 run? 2? How many outs?  Who's pitching?  Rightie or Leftie? What's Jeter's avg vs the pitcher?  What's A-Rods?  How are the fielders playing?  Day game or night game?  What's their BA and OBP over the last 10 games? Slugging %? I could go ON and ON and ON and ON.  And my final answer is: I'd weigh all the numbers, just like Torre does, and make a decision based on the actual numbers.

 Oh, and to be completely honest...right now, it very likely would be neither one (especially if the lead was more than 1 run)....lets see if you can guess who it would be.  It's a pretty easy call, actually, given the numbers of the last year.

Of course, that's just one big aside.  Because the fact of the matter is, if I had a choice, I'd want BOTH Jeter AND A-Rod in my lineup.  Because there is no argument on the planet that you're a better ballclub without one of them.  And since they're both on the same team, playing different positions, it's not really all that necessary to compare them.  A better question would be: What other AL 3rd baseman would you rather have hitting in the above situation.  And I can't think of a one.

Actually, the problem is they're missing about 1/3 their team right now, at least on offense. ?The top half of the order (where "the big egos" are) has been doing pretty well (witness their BA, RBI's, and, for the power hitters, their HR total). ?The bottom half? ?Not so much. ?Which is where Sheffiled, Cano, and Matsui would be shoring things up, one would think.

Also notice that, since Cano went down, the offence (with a notable exception vs the Mets) has been much less explosive and much less potent. ?That injury (thankfully, it looks like it's not too serious) seemed to do what the injuries to Sheffield and Matsui couldn't do: crippled the Yanks. ?Well, that and the bottom part of the order stopped overachieving. ?The loss of that one last threatening bat made the bottom of the order almost a complete non-factor. You get past Posada and....well...what's left? ?It gives the opposing pitchers a nice break that may, or may not, be broken up by Bernie.

Add all that to a rotation that has been the definition of inconsistent (with the exception of Moose and, arguably, Wang), and a bullpen that's been lackluster and overused....and you have a recipe for disaster. ?The all-star break couldn't come at a better time for them, but...they're probably going to have to deal to shore up Chacon and Wright's spots, at least (and it's gonna be pricey because nobody wants to help the yanks). ?I almost wonder if, with the rash of injuries, it wouldn't be a better idea to field the best team you can this year, but lower expectations (meaning....I know, sacrelidge according to The Boss....no play-offs) and reload next year with Matsui and Sheffield back....but we know that won't happen.

But I think it's tough to blame the teams woes on anything other than the above....especially the factors you name. ?And I think it's a bit early to sound the death nell for "The Evil Empire". ?There's some pretty encouraging signs...one of which is you're still in a penant race DESPITE having 3 big bats on the DL.

Oh and just like that, a-rod is now hitting .291 on the season. Had 3 hits his last game but the yankees didn't even really show up last night. Bottom Line: I think A-rod's back. He had that walk-off homer aganist the braves, that rbi single saturday aganist the mets in what was originally a close game and 2 homers and 7 rbi's on sunday aganist the mets. I think he's back.

19-1

'nuff said.

Witness Melky's grand slam ;D

Pilferk.....all I know is A-Rod didn't hit in 2004 when Boston was winning 4 straight after falling behind 3-0.....neither did Matsui, Sheffield, or anyone else for that mater but when your the best player in the game and making $25mil a year I guess your judged a bit differently :-[

whether it's fair or not, it comes with the territory :-X

don't ask me to quote the numbers...I'm lazy and don't feel like looking them up ;)

for grins ;D

I looked them up:
Games 1-3 6-14
games 4-7, 2-17 & 2RBIs

Of course, looking them up brought back really bad memories :-[

I know it is and I agree!  : ok:

Yup, he had a bad 4 games...after having a stellar first 3. As you point out, though....so did everyone else.  INCLUDING Jeter, I might add.  And you leave out the fact that, in round one vs the Twins...he hit .421, with 1 HR, in only 19 AB.  Those are pretty respectable numbers.  So, in total, for the playoffs, he hit...what.... about .320?  Yeah, I see why you'd be upset with his '04 performance...a year he was batting in an uncomfortable, and usually unproductive, 2nd spot in the order....behind an atypical lead off man in Jeter.

Now, you wanna get all over him for his '05 playoff performance?  I'm right there with you.  He stunk the place up.  He was awful.  Terrible.  And THAT is where, I think, some of the Yankee faithful decided they were not going to like A-Rod no matter what he does (barring winning them a WS with a walk off...and maybe not even then).  Me?  I don't think it's fair to judge his merit, and what he brings to the team, on a few...hell, VERY few....bad games.

As for being "judged differently", that's my point.  That's not fair.  The question is: Is he earning his paycheck?  Is he worth being the highest paid player in the game?  Well, in '05...he was the AL MVP.  So.....that speaks for itself, bad playoffs or not.  And this year?  His numbers are pretty close to last years, on a projection basis....AND they include the numbers of his awful June slump.  Of course, over the past 10 games he's hitting something like .600 (not including last night...) with 4 or 5 HR's....which always helps.  We'll have to see how (or if) he handles himself in the playoffs this year.  If they make it (and, if they do, like last year, A-rod will probably be a big reason why)...I wouldn't bet against him.

So, hey, if you wanna judge A-Rod based on 4 bad games...rather than the overall numbers he's put up since becoming a Yankee....hey, more power to ya.  I think the other 400+ games, and the numbers generated while playing in them, is a bit more "stable" of basis.  He puts up stellar numbers, year after year, after year, after year.  That's reality.  I hope he remains a Yankee for a very, very, very long time.

Oh, and on the Melky grand slam...

Like I said: The Yanks are at their most productive, offensively, when the bottom of the order is actually productive and "dangerous".   Last night was a good example of that.

And I hope Damon's "soreness" isn't too serious.  That's all they need...another OF to go down to injuries.

I never said get rid of the guy ;D
Cause you're right, who would you rather have playing 3rd base :-X
It may not be fair, but because of his contract, he will always be judged differently than anyone else ;)

I actually hope he does put the team on his back, and has a huge playoff series b/c he seems like a decent guy..... just sometimes he says dumb things (ex. ?purported diss of Jeter a few years back) ?;D

Sometimes A-ROD lets his head get in the way of his ability, maybe he should see a sports shrink, or pop a xanax before games :hihi:

The best part of these injuries is you get to have the "kiddies" get some valuable experience that may translate into confidence in their ability to play at this level......

Hopefully Damon's injury doesn't keep him out to long, but with the All-Star break coming up, it may be best to start Bubba in CF and let Jonny rest till they come back next week, this way he gets to rest his foot and his oblique muscle

But with Melky's emergence, perhaps they let Sheffield walk after this year, and they'll be able to take another $13mil off the payroll :hihi:

bet they'll get soriano again...

The thing is, and you and I both know it,...the "valuable experience" isnt' going to do the Yanks a whole lotta good...other than raising their trade value.

Matsui is not going anywhere.? Sheffield's contract IS up after this season, but....honestly....I don't see him going anywhere else either, if he wants to continue playing.? He's flirted with retirement before, so...I guess that's always possible.

Which means Melky and Bubba are going to be role players, again.? And given how Melky, at least, has performed as a day to day player (solid, with glimpses of spectacular), I don't see him being happy with that role, or the money it pays. Maybe Sheffield leaves/retires, and Melky takes his spot. That's best case, I guess.? But I would almost bet that Melky, and possibly Cairo, are used in the off season to plug up some holes in the rotation and/or bullpen.

As for getting Soriano again...I doubt it.? He's made no bones about the fact he dislikes playing the OF.? And that's the ONLY possible place for him on the Yanks (again, assuming Sheffield leaves/retires).? Their's just no room on the infield which is where he wants to play.? Quite frankly, I think Soriano should shut his mouth and play the OF. His defense has always been substandard...he plays his position with his bat, mostly.? Cano (hell, Cairo too, for that matter) was certainly an upgrade defensively for the Yanks.? ? He's better in the field where he can't hurt his team as much, so he can get up to the plate to help 'em...

I don;t think they'll get Soriano again....he wrote his ticket out of town in the 2003 WS with his disciplined AB's  :hihi:

They have an option on Shef and I don't think they'll pick it up....I'd like to see what Melky can do.....

Personally, and this will sound like blasphemy, but I'd rather the Yankees miss the playoffs this year, keep their young and coming players in their system....and move forward....

Hell, their gonna draw more this year than last year and they made a playoff series and were out, which if they make the playoffs this year, will probably happen again as they have an aging, inconsistent pitching staff

I just think they have too many holes to fill to be trading their future away for an abrupt playoff run.....
Cause face it, they ain't going to the WS with the team they have and who's available to put them over the top?

The biggest thing the Yankees need is pitching first and foremost, maybe another outfielder second-- or really any kind of good bat.

The big problem though is that first, there's no good pitching available at a good price.  Teams will have to give up a lot even more a middle-of-the-line pitcher.  There are maybe two teams in baseball with a solid five-man rotation all the way from one to five.  Everyone wants a solid #5 pitcher, but few teams have it or are willing to give up any significant amount of pitching.  Second, where will they get a good outfielder who can step into this star-studded lineup and be productive to the tastes of Yankees fans and be ready and willing to sit once Damon, Sheffield, and Matsui are all back to 100%?  Hint: the player doesn't exist.  Torre keeps talking about wanting to add another bat (Steinbrenner's past reasoning has gotten to Clueless Joe now!), but there's really no place to put it.  First base maybe, if you don't mind benching Phillips, but that's all.  Pitching should be first in their minds, but at this rate, there won't be much available-- the only significant names I can really see possibly being moved right now are Kris Benson, Bruce Chen, Paul Byrd, Scott Elarton, Mark Redman, Ramon Ortiz, Dontrelle Willis (wants to remain an NL pitcher), Brian Moehler, and Oliver Perez.  Note though that I only looked at teams who right now are more then 5 games out of first in their division.  Things can always change, but it's obviout that it's going to be a seller's market this year when it comes to pitching.

I heard somewhere Smoltz maight be available but I think i heard it on the YES network so that may be a case of wishful thinking from the YES broadcast team :hihi:

but of the pitchers you mentioned, "the only significant names I can really see possibly being moved right now are Kris Benson, Bruce Chen, Paul Byrd, Scott Elarton, Mark Redman, Ramon Ortiz, Dontrelle Willis (wants to remain an NL pitcher), Brian Moehler, and Oliver Perez"

who excites you?  Kris Benson's wife is fucking hot but is she gonna dance at yankee games in pinstriped bra and panties :o :hihi:

Kris Benson/Dontrelle Willis are the only names I like on that list.

Smoltz will be available, but he is a 10/5 player and said he would ONLY approve a trade to Detroit.

Willis, Benson, and Byrd are really the only names on the list worth a crap and I don't see Willia or Benson going to the Yankees.  Willis wants to remain in the NL and Benson is in the AL East, so I doubt the O's send him to New York.  Chen, Byrd, and Elarton would make good #5 starters for a lot of playoff bound teams though, so don't get too down on them just yet.  I bet the Yanks will try to make a pitch for Byrd later this month.

They need to get somebody, Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon have not been very good #5 starters.

I'm happy with a rotation of Johnson/Mussina/Wang/Wright. But, the #5 starter is defin. a problem.

Also, something to consider, is that Pavano is set to come back at some point this season, but probably later in the season.

"Also, something to consider, is that Pavano is set to come back at some point this season, but probably later in the season."  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

what a bust that guy has been

Small and Chacon have been a bit of a dissappointment, but small never really adjusted to the pen and he still may be a factor....

But I seriously doubt we'll be seeing Pavano anytime till next spring training, we're he'll fall on his ass, pull a muscle, and be on the DL again all year :hihi:

Uh actually, that's not true. Unless he gets injured again (LOL) he is set to return from mid to late August. So, that means that he could be back before Matsui comes back. It's something to consider.

I'll believe Pavano's coming back when I see him....

last I heard he hurt himself in a rehab start and needed surgery...

I'm sure his teammates are looking forward to his return :hihi:

Mets need fucking pitching too... Damn fucking Lima back up, why not let me pitch tonight...Then tomorrow maine and the rookie prospect plus trachsel has an era of 4.75 then glavine who's getting old perdo on the dl.. They better keep their bats healthy..

the mets can loose 6 of 7 and still maintain an 11 game lead ;D

true vs that crap, they have a 12 1/2 game lead :hihi:

But they only play against the NL teams.   Oh wait, they did some interleague play and how did that pan out?

they are 6-8 in itrl play... They played good teams, toronto's hitting, boston was on fire and the yanks

The last few years as a Yankee fan I've been spoiled and not really cared to much about the regular season cause you knew the Yankees were gonna be there come october; this year, it questionable, but I'd hate for them to trade their future to make a short run

as for the mets, they'll be there but may run into problems with that rotation in the playoffs; unless martinex, Glavine and El Duque can turn back the clocks; out of those three I'd take El Duque over all of them if I was a met fan

A Rod is a whiny baby. He is a loser. If you don't like the Yankees, let him stay.

At least he has emotion. I think A-rod's gonna be fine this year. BTW, the yankees sweep the sox, and are now only 1/2 game out.

A-rod you little SOB, 3 errors, are you kidding me? Worst defensive performance of his career.

The fucking booed his ass last night as well. Anyone who disputed my original post you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your blindness is disturbing.

When you said that he will never be accepted into the hearts of yankee fans, I'm agree with you on that. I just disputed the fact that you said: "He will be traded."  Cause I think only the red sox would want to take on that salary and I don't think the yankees have given up on him yet.

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Aside from that, A-rod injured his toe last night and he was supposed to have an x-ray this morning. So, that means he may not play tonight.

You are the densest man alive. I have told you before and I will say it again -   I never said he will be traded.  I said he could be. I said they would listen. I never said that he would be traded. So I ask you again...........find where I said it and I'll apologize.  Go ahead and find it.

The point of the thread was about him being accepted. ( I have said this several times too)

I've read your 1st post about 5 times including today. I know what you said.

Last night he was E E E rod :hihi:

Are we back on this AGAIN?

Must we revisit it AGAIN?

A-Rod's fine.  It was a tough night.  Jeter's had 'em, Bernie's had 'em, Moose has had 'em, Posada's had 'em....the list goes on and on. The fact that SOME people thing that one bad night means something, anything, at all....they're the ones who are blind.  It's long a long season.  Getting booed doesn't mean shit. 

yeah, that was a brutal game.....maybe now that there in Toronto he'll go on a hot streak

He's struggled in his career aganist Halladay, tonight's starter, so I doubt it.

BTW, a-rod is hitting around .320 this month.

E-ROD strikes again, opens the flood gates >:(

thank god for those not named E-ROD :hihi:

The news paper was like well at least he didn't have  a kick me sign on his back, or slipped on a banana peel ;D

E-rod is stinking it up.. Does he have enough errors this year?

I thought you wer gonna get on hime for his being K K K K-ROD, 0-4 with 4 Ks :hihi:
at least they won though :o and Boston lost ;D

K K K K, at least he didn't have only 3 :peace: Nope didn't see the game...
He's playing like K fed :hihi:

he needs to see a shrink and get a script of xanax to alleviate his anxiety ;D

I see they made him DH,.,... NYC can be killer.... The pressure....  Yeah he needs a few klonopins

Whatever it takes, the guy can afford any drug he needs at $25M a year.?

My first instinct is to feel sorry for the guy because his play does not merit the abuse he takes (AL MVP, Player of the Month in June... a couple bad weeks and the fans rip him a new asshole).? But then I realize that he invited the ridiculous scrutiny by negotiating that ridiculous contract.? I haven't forgotten his insane contract demands when he was a free agent and was talking to the Mets.? Also, no professional athlete should allow fan reaction to affect their performance to that degree.

Anyway, even though I'm not a Yankee fan (or probably because I'm not), I'm rooting for him to tough it out and get through this.? I just hope he realizes that if he gets traded, he'll have no chance of winning a World Series because no team other than the Yankees can absorb his contract and still field a winning team.

what about fucking shit head clemens demands, doesn't even need to travel with the team ::)

You can't really compare because Clemens is Satan.

I thought this thread was about a-rod, not clemens.

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There was a very unlikely rumor that would send a-rod to philly for Tom Gordon, Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu and others. But, honestly, I don't think a-rod will be traded.

In other news, a-rod has seemed to have gotten better since this past sunday. Let's hope it continues...

He started a rally tonight in Texas with a blast to center.  He's showing some signs of life.  Aside from his average his numbers aren't too far off from previous years.  I don't know what to say about the errors though, mental mistakes.  I think that has biggest mistakes are the 250 million dollar contract and also he seems to put himself on a pedestal.  He needs to say "Man, I sucked tonight." and show some humility. 

I think him kissing his fellow teammate on the head may just be what he needs to finally go on a surge LOL

A-rod is the bomb!

a-rod? what about Giambi? how come Bonds getting media scrutiny for 'roids and not Giambi? If anyone should go - it should be him.

Just because it directly addresses the original point of the poster:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/tom_verducci/09/19/a.rod/index.html

On whether he ever considered this summer that he might be better off being traded: "Never." (Rodriguez actually cut off the question before it could be finished.) "Never. I'd rather retire than go somewhere else.... One of the things I'm proudest of is being able to play every day and be in the mix of a win every night."

Nobody would pick up A-Rod's contract. I cant stand him and wish he'd get traded. He only cares about himself and not the team.. plus, he makes it easier for red sox fans to make fun of yankee fans. The only good thing about his trade was that robinson cano got called up to play second.

as a yankee fan, I'd much rather have David Wright than E-Rod

thats because giambi fessed up and apologized to the media. bonds has done nothing but deny his steriod use. giambi was able to get off the roids and comeback. hes also a team player unlike a-rod who only cares about his numbers.

Anybody hear that A-Rod may go to one of the Chicago teams?

Yeah the rumours in NY are rampid right now about the Cubs & Sox -

Yeah, I was WAY off base when I created this topic during the season and everyone was giving me crap...... :-X

You better shut your mouth next time  :hihi:

Gay-Rod has a no trade clause in his contract, or so espn says. It would have to be his decision to leave, and I dont think he's stated he wants to go anyway, though I hope he doesnt choose the cubbies, as I am not a cubs fan, I still hope they dont sign a guy who tried to cheat by pushing Arroyos arm away 2 years ago. That just doesn't show good character, though maybe he fits in with the Yawkees. :smoking:

Pinella has said he wants A-rod.  That's probably the biggest "no duh" statement ever made since, pretty much, anyone would want A-rod and his numbers on their team (expect, apparently, some rabid Yankee fans).  He had A-rod in Seattle, so I'm not surprised he'd want him back.

Cashmans says A-rod is going nowhere.

A-rod says A-rod is going nowhere.

Pinella can "want" anything...doesn't mean he'll actually get it.  Mostly because the Cubbies have shit to offer the Yanks in pitching, which is really the only thing they're going to be picking up in the off season.

As for the White Sox.....the Yanks are not going to trade A-rod to a team that they either have to beat in the post season OR that they have to, potentially, contend with for a wild card spot. 

The cubs wont offer anything in pitching, because all they have now is Pryor if he can stay healthy and is Zambrono still there?? I dont follow cubs baseball that much. They would never trade Pryor i dont think but Kerry Wood might be good trade bait to a team thats needs pitching, Kerry maybe done but those damn Yawks have had shitty pitchers turn good there. Though I would like to see Wood turned into a closer, he could be one hell of closer for them cubs. :smoking:

The Yanks would want Zambrono, A. Ramirez (to play 3rd), probably 1 more Major league ready pitcher, and at least one minor league pitching stud...plus cash.

The Cubs would never, ever part with that much...it wouldn't be worth it.?

First off, the Yanks aren't gonna trade him.

But second, even if they were, they're not gonna trade him to an AL contender.

And nobody else can afford him, both from a talent and salary standpoint.

I still think he's going no where.