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Hi guys,

Back from London and found a couple of emails from Izzy in my inbox.

Update from Izzy (10.06.06):

"izzy here....i`m in london. i`m planning to join guns 11th-21st, cheers, izzy"

...he also offered me a backstage pass to London if I replied - which I didnt because I was already in London without my laptop. He then put my name on the Donnington guestlist... but again I didnt have my pissing laptop so didn't know about it :( Hope he joins them on July leg of tour now.

Anyway, Izzy will be at all GNR dates between 11th and 21st so hope you Izz fans can get to a show.

Will
Izzy Stradlin Online Home: www.juju.34sp.com/izzy/

Wow, great news!

You must be bummed about the Donnington!

haha bummed does not even come close to how im feeling right now. its nice to know he offered though.

I was talking to a guy outsidethe arena, from Ireland, forgotten his name already but he said he thought he was on the guestlist. He wandered off and when I met him after the gig he had a backstage pass on and photos of him with Tommy, Brian May etc... Wish I had pissing gone and checked myself now lol - was just too lazy to move from the queue. If the guy who I met reads this then shoot me an email (downliner05@hotmail.com) as I have our group photos that we took outside waving the GNR, Axl and Ireland flags around  :hihi:

Cheers....Will

Oh, no, not in Stockholm! :no: Oh well, congrats to everyone going between 11th-21sth then :beer:

If he plays with GnR during the July UK dates then that would be  :drool: :drool: :drool:

Thanks ! Good news !! 21st June is Zurich show 8)

June 13th, 2006 Prague, Czech Republic @ Sazka Arena
June 15th, 2006 Warszawa, Poland @ Stadion Legii
June 17th, 2006 Burgenland, Austria @ Pannonia Fields II (Novarock)
June 20th, 2006 Paris, France @ Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy
June 21st, 2006 Z?rich, Switzerland @ Hallenstadion

Source: http://beenafix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1439

Great fuckin news!!! Tomorrow I'll go to Warsaw to see GNR on Thursday. Too bad he wont be joining them at Roskilde.

Bollocks! I'm going to the show on the 23rd  :'(

mmm paris paris ;)

if he has a good time maybe he'll do a couple more : ok: so don't lose hope yet

I think the GNR waters are being tested for a reunion. We all know Slash, Duff, and Adler(or Sorum) would jump at the chance. Even if they hated Axl, there is too much money involved to pass it up. The big question mark in a possible reunion has always been  Izzy. Could he handle being with Axl again? Would he get sick of touring? Cant handle the circus atmosphere? Those questions are now starting to be answered.


My prediction: a GNR Reunion Tour happens in the summer of 2007. That gives CD enough time to fizzle out.

Sure. Shortly after Gn'R release their own operating system. Oh wait, that was Google.

Slash said himself "it doesn't how much money they stick in our faces, there is no reason for us to get together to do anythink unless there is some muchual respect for each other"
Adler would do it purely for the money, Slash, Duff wouldn't, they would need to mend bridges with there friendships with Axl, not just see what the money involved is.

nyd- do the words "internet cafe" ring a bell? Surely you can check your e-mail without your laptop,  can't you? :yes:

James You never give up Huh ?!

Reunion is out of guestion for now , AXl hates Slash, the only reason Izzy is back for a couples shows is ?AXL and Izzy are true friends, you talk about money and the money investing in CD is huge .
Cd wil be out the band go to a wold tour to promove the album , them the second album wil be out another tour ...

He has no financiel worries and I doubt the main reason for a GN'R reunion is the money. He has said himself that he thinks the original band has got some great music in them and they owe it to the fans.

Doesn't matter anyways cause there won't be a GN'R reunion soon. And Izzy's mind isn't about a reunion, he just wants to play with Axl again for a few gigs. He enjoys his freedom to much to rejoin the band fulltime again.

imagine the circus atmosphere if Orginal GnR did a reunion tour :hihi:

Izzy will do these dates with GnR than fly to the states to do the 2 dates with VR at the end of July :hihi:

Izzy will than become "the official roaming rythm guitarist of VR and GnR"  :hihi:

not a chance in hell cd fizzles out by summer of 2007 and there's more new music after cd.    Izzy is the only original member most people care about anyway.  He's cool with the new band.  Maybe he'll join and record some guitars for cd.  fuck any reunion.  Tommy is cooler than duff and id rather see fink.  Stop bitching about a reunion.

yeeees, Sab Izzy Axl Guns N' Fuckin' Roses TODAY! :)
useless post, i know

Great post james.
Something changed in Axl's mind concerning his old friends. There's definitely something going on...

All those reunion rumors a couple of months ago meant something... No smoke without fire. ;D

Funny to see the haters coming out to try to shoot down reunion hopes... :-*

This is starting to be more than a couple of shows, though, isn't it?  I am NOT a fan of all the reunion talk, and I personally want to see the current lineup last for a long, long time.  However, having Izzy become a semi-permanent fixture would be great as well, and give the current group a bit more of the legitimacy they deserve, and have certainly earned at this point.

Is the fact that Izzy's playing so many GnR show surprising to anyone?  I know he joined VR in the early stages, but it wasn't quite this often, was it?

Dont tell me what I can say. If you dont like my posts, stop quoting them all the time. I'm not "bitching" about a reunion. Since you read my posts, you know I am not interested in a reunion at this time. Just because you love Finck and Tommy, that doesn't rule out a reunion in the future. And dont give me that 'more music after CD' line. Axl said that once 4 years ago.

I haven't seen the recent live performances with Izzy's appearance, so a question for those who have - when Izzy joins the band on stage, does that mean there's 4 guitarists all up there at once, or do some of the other guys sit out while Izzy does his thing?

Seems a bit much to have 4 guitar players up there playing songs that 2 guitarists used to manage. Not a dig at the new band, just curious about it that's all. Kinda like too many cooks in the kitchen kinda thing.

Personally, I don't want a reunion ever. It is perfect right now for me (well almost as I NEED an album!). Izzy being involved a little is icing on the cake. My favorite three people ever in Gnr are Axl, Izzy, and .....Tommy! Also, Robin, Ron, and Richard are really really coming together quite well. Ron is stepping up HUGE. As much as I love Bucket, Ron seems to really want to be there and is just flat out laying some great licks down. I'm really starting to dig Robin too-effort counts for a lot in my book. ?Fuck, I'm starting to fall for this band like I fell for the old group back in the day. ?:beer: ;D

Agree with the reunion thing, I dont want reunion right now I want things as they are now, specially cause GNR is back in business and that sort of things will make the release of a new album even longer.

let this incarnation have their chance with CD but after it's reunion time in my opinion? :beer:

You guys make things so complicated......read too much into things.

Izzy joining Axl on stage only equates to their friendship that started way back in Indiana.? Childhood friends.

Izzy does not want to rejoin GNR fulltime.? He left because he is a roamer, a free spirit....doesn't want to be nailed down nor committed to lengthy tours.

Things are great with Robin, Richard & Ron.? Gaining steam.? Their recovery in the midst of the Download drama proves they can be a force to be reckoned with.? Big fuckin' attitude with the ability to keep on rockin through an onslaught of piss bottles and technical difficulties.

Axl showed he can get pissed but keep on rockin.? Tommy showed true rock star attitude.? Robin showed the same over a week ago.? Ron smiles at you as you shower him with bottles.? Richard stands up there like he has no other care in the world other than hittin those 6 strings.

Low and behold we now have a rock band that's worthy of taking over.  NO, we now have 2 new rock bands.

GNR vs. Velvet Revolver criss-crossing the globe battling it out lettin the music do the talking.

Face it your parents got divorced and they aint gettin back together.?

Fuck that reunion shit.? I'm more lookin forward to Chinese Democracy and Libertad in a reoccurring duel in my cd player this fall.

I agree with almost everything Z says.

One thing, and it's not necessarily a disagreement, is that with Izzy being around you have to think something will pop up creatively.  The man was one of the, if not the, spark that ignited GnR's songwriting.  He did it with VR, when they were getting off the ground, too.  I'd be interested to see if he's writing anything, or participating in the creative process in any way, with GnR.  Not for him to play, necessarily, on the album or on tour.  But just to write with them.

Great post.  Izzy knows he is welcome on that stage anytime he wants :)  He may come and go as he pleases.  I really doubt the same holds true for Slash.   

Fuck a reunion, the band out kicking ass right now is the better band.   I don't see Axl telling someone like Tommy Stinson he has no job anymore because Duff is coming back.  :hihi:  and thank god  :peace:

Its great to see Axl and Izzy are good friends once again, and Izzy must really enjoy jamming with these guys  8)

Z, great post. Pilferk, the thought of Axl, Izzy, and Tommy writing together... :drool: I think it may happen for the subsequent albums. I really do. It would be perfect for Izzy. Help create some stuff yet not be bogged down by the full time bullshit. He would get his writing credits as well just like Arkeen, Huge, Lank etc. :D

Yeah I have to agree, I think Izzy is writing with the band at least during soundchecks. I know they jam out riffs and stuff sometimes, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Izzy was writing with them.

Hell fuckin' yea!!! Awesome post dude!! :beer:

If nothing else maybe Izzy can pass Axl the music that Izzy,Duff,Slash and Matt wrote before VR started that they considered to be the best instrumental Guns record to date. That material is just sitting somewhere, and God knows that Izzy,SLash and Duff have creatively contributed to more than a few timeless Guns songs. It must have been pretty strong stuff given those types of comments and the fact that Izzy to have wanted to go out and tour with it. I remember reading old interviews from that time where Slash was saying how into it Izzy was really starting to get.

me neither.  quite frankly Izzy looks pretty damn comfortable on stage with these guys.   He seems to gel well with Tommy and Robin espeically, and obviously Axl.

Z, excellent post man, you pretty much nailed it. hopefully we'll have both albums in the fall so we can compare---if that happens, it's all gravy. : ok:

Guns album had better be a superior album for that kind of time and money or else we have all wasted alot of time following this band for the last 8-10 years waiting for this thing. Just the same as you would expect all things being equal that the kids at school who spent 15 weeks working on a term paper would write a better one than the kids who waited until the end and only spent a week. I will be majorly disappointed in Axl if the difference between the two is not clearly night and day.

sounds sweet bach and izzy on stage with axl out fucking kill. hope they do nightrain.

Another reunion thread...

What you people need to get into your heads is that Guns N' Roses is Axl, Tommy, Robin, Fortus, Bumblefoot, Brain, Dizzy and Pitman. That's Guns N' Roses, and I think the last quitter left in 2004.

Yup, I too agree with what Z says... and I believe with Izzy Stradlin hanging out with Axl again at one time or another Axl has to say to him... "so you ever thought about maybe writing something for me to take a look at..."  or something along the lines to suggest to Izzy that Axl would welcome his creative input.

The question is...if that 1st kid spent 15 weeks writing 3 different term papers....how much better would ONE of them be than the kid who only took 3 weeks to write one? 

VR released their first album in  2004.  Looks like their next album is due up in either late '06 or early '07.  2 to 3 years.

GnR, in it's current incarnation, really didn't come together until 1999, right?  Assuming we get CD in '06, and all the work for the other 2 albums is finished up around the same time (sounds like the second will be..with some work left on the 3rd).....you've got approximately 7 years of work for 3 albums.

Doesn't sound SOOOO disparate, to me.

Again, of course, assuming everything we know is correct and goes as planned.

Now, I'm certainly not saying that's an excuse for how long we've had to wait for CD.  I'm not.   I'm strictly talking about percieved quality differences simply because of the time the album has taken to finish...

So how about at the House of Blues 2001 when Slash showed up in Vegas to watch the band and in his words, maybe go up and jam a song or two with them?  Maybe Slash was always trying to get in good with Axl without the rest of those guys?  :hihi:

The time issue is now a moot point in my opinion. Irritating as it is, it really is a non factor in the end. Nobody on this board knows how much time Axl has actually spent on this record and most importantly, nobody knows why he hasn't released anything. The lack of a release could be for a thousand different reasons...none of them quality related. Fans and critics will get hung up on the time issue, but in the end, you will either get the music or you won't. It will either move you or you will simply listen to it a few times and send it off to the used cd bin (Just like I did with Contraband). It is all simply entertainment, nothing more-nothing less. :peace:

I look forward to the setlists from these shows. I'm hoping for a few more messy surprises like I Used to Love Her, and some not-so-messy ones  :)

nyd, maybe you drop a hint to Izzy that he could open of the GNR shows?   :beer:

well, id prefer to hear CD before any reunion, because if a reunion were to happen soon, cd will alomost certainly be scrapped i would have tought!!!

allthough a reunion would be the best thing to happen to axl

Kinda like your prediction for a reunion show at Rio or Download?  :hihi:. Im sorry James, I just don't understand why your so set on this...

stop with the fucking reunion shit.

it ruins threads.

please lock this  thread

If Izzy's going to be there for these shows that would be awesome to see....

14 Years
Pretty Tied up
or Double Talkin Jive

added to the setlist :yes: : ok:

K things look rocky but it means fuck all theres a bit of heat there thats it. nothing else. and like axl and slash said there is n bad blood. theres a reason that was said.

Izzy's back more and more with Axl.

There can be nothing wrong with this at all. : ok: :beer:

I hope Izzy plays some shows when GNR tours the States. Would love to see Izzy again.

Me too! I would love to see Izzy join dates for the majority of the U.S. tour. :)

Whats the point of have FOUR guitarists?

Love Izzy playing :)

he should play in holland :drool:


nice to see izzy playing some dates with gnr.... will he play complete shows or just some songs?

some more izzy songs would be nice, too... like don`t cry : ok:

Nooo!He's not playing Sweden!? :'(:crying:

Izzy,come to Sweden too :yes:? :drool:;)

only two weeks left :drool:

wow, so that means Iz will be in Paris ?

Can't wait !! :D

James, you are exactly right. ?Is Izzy playing half the shows considered a member again almost? ?Hell, if Pittman is, Izzy must be!

I think it's irrational and illogical to call Izzy a 'member' of the new GN'R. I would call him just an associate to the new GN'R, meaning he's able to hang around with them and play some shows but is not committed to a full-time contract.

What is Izzy's reasoning to play with a band like GNR these days besides the fact that he used to know Axl? ?It really just takes attention away from the current members.... ?I hate partial reunions like this. ?It like, "be a new band with new members, or be the old band and have a reunion." ?It is like Axl is trying to have the best of both worlds. ?All the guitar players is cluttering the sound....and the stage. ?Axl sounds great, the band, not sold on yet.

actually its been mentioned way more than once there james

I have an even better idea. You avoid threads that are about old members. When an old member is playing a high percentage of shows, you are going to see a certain amount of posts bringing it up. If Izzy being there becomes an almost constant thing on this tour, then yes, I would consider him a member of GNR. I agree with your 'best of both worlds' comment. Its crystal clear that Axl is keeping all options on the table. actually its been mentioned way more than once there james
Post examples.

he mentioned it on trunk.

It's great Izzy recognizes the new line up as Guns n' Roses. ?He apperantly approves of everything they are doing, he feels its a good thing, or he wouldnt play with them. ?As far as a full scale reunion goes, I hope it doesn't happen. ?There's plenty of new material, let's get it out there. ?What I don't understand is there are GNR fans who support the new band, but the same fans would jump at a chance for a reunion, thereby totally bypassing and discrediting anything that the new band does.

Im a fan of the new band, they are what I want to know as Guns n' Roses now.
what the old band did was the best, probably wont be topped ... so lets leave it at that, and move on with the current GNR.  The current GNR will never be fully accepted, but thats no reason to write them off as being the best band in the world.

All these guest appearances lead me to believe sometime soon Izzy will be back for good......Thoughts? Suggestions?

Thanks for the info, that's gonna be amazing i bet, the two best GNR's members (in my opinion) together again : ok:

wow 4 guitarists  ??? i actually would love it but i really don't think he'll be back for good.

Nah...He said he'd be appearing for a number of gigs, but not for the entire tour. 

He's too much of a free spirit to be part of a band on a regular basis  : ok:

;D

i dont think he will be, i mean who would axl get rid of? It would be cool if he did but if theres already three albums worth of material recorded i cant see axl going back to the drawing board. Which he would have to do, izzy would have no creative input into the songs unless that was the case. And izzy after all is a great songwriter.

I highly doubt it. In fact, I am certain it won't happen. It sometimes seem that it is the fans that have yet to let go of the fact that Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy have all moved on. They (the former GN'R members) probably don't see GN'R the same way we do. I don't think a GN'R reunion is on their minds at all, to be honest. If none of the former members re-joined GN'R during the last ten years, when there was nothing but silence (for the most part) and an opportunity to join and be a part of GN'R starting up again, they sure as hell won't join now after having nothing to do with the new album etc.

Anyway, Izzy left for a reason when he first left GN'R, he didn't want to be part of something that big, so I doubt he'll join again now, when things are bound to be even crazier.

nah i don't think so...if he walked away from VR then I doubt he's looking for fame and fortune again ;)

I would be enthralled if Axl and Izzy sat down and wrote a few songs for an album somewhere down the line and we got to hear them.  But if Izzy wanted to be in GnR, he would be.  He could have been in either the new GnR or VR if he wanted to, so I don't think he'll rejoin the band.  But hopefully he continues to turn up at a gig here and there to play some of the songs, it's good to see Izzy and Axl together on stage again

it would be much fuck to have 4 guitarists  I do not believe that axl would take off some of that already they are

 Izzy playing with Axl is more than just playing with GNR again. It is a fun temporary thing for Izzy. It has to do with his frienship with Axl more than being in GNR for the time being.

well said, he just playing with them for fun, its not about a gnr reunion its about jamming with a friend

If Izzy and Tracii Guns  joined GNR    do you still think people would be complaining about the name?   I have wondered about this at times .    I don't think it gets more original than those 2 lol. 

bumblefoot out, izzy in. possible.

not at the moment of course, but after chinese democracy, why not.

bumblefoot will not rerecord buckethead stuff on this album anyway, and maybe will not play at all on it.

I don't think Izzy will be in for good until everyone else is back in

No.

Two lead guitar players, two rythem players?

Maybe they'll get Duff back as well and have two bassists?

its obvious by now Axl wants a strong virtoistic guitar presence in the band, Izzy could never be that. Fortus has the skill but I am not sure if he is THAT proficent. Axl was looking into every technical guitar player around for Bucket's replacement and by what I've heard Bumble is probably the top technical player at the moment. Yes, From what I've heard he is more technically proficent then Bucket.

And vice-versa, I bet Izzy was probably pretty nervous going on stage the first time, but the other guys in the band must be really accepting and encouraging of it for Izzy to agree to do a bunch of shows in advance.

However, I don't think people should read anything at all into this. There are many reasons why Izzy would not wish to re-join full time.?

I would bet you even money if you asked Izzy who GNR was, he would rattle of Axl, Slash, Duff and Adler. I would guess him playing with the current GNR has everything to do with him mending his relationship with Axl after all of those years they were estranged and almost nothing to do with him trying endorse this new band as GNR.

If anything it could be Axl prodding him to play as many shows with them as possible, because his presence helps overshadow this whole name issue with the new band as people are so happy to see Izzy they forget about everyone else up there. Download seem to take a decided turn for the better when Izzy came out, as it sounds like the crowd really came around after that. It's great for the nostalgia factor for older fans, but it does little establish the new guys as Izzy's presence for a handful of songs seems to steal the show.

I could understand if Izzy were to appear for 1 or 2 shows to support Axl. However, he is appearing a lot more often. Given the free-spirited personality, I find it quite odd. ?I have to agree that Axl is keeping all options open. I think this maybe a prelude to a full-fledged reunion one day. ?Although I like what I'm hearing from the new band, nothing will ever beat the originals. ?

is it true Izzy said to axl onstage: so, you still love me ah? and axl nodded his head and laughed? i read somewhere here but i kept wondering if this was true or not?. if so, i'm so happy they tell each other they still love  ;D

I don't think that is the case in the near future, however if any reunion was ever going to happen at any period in time it was going to be with Izzy as the catalyst as he was the only guy who could play the intermediary between Axl and Slash & Duff as Izzy now appears to be close with all of them again after all of these years. Rekindling his relationship with Axl as always the biggest hurddle, but that no longer appears to be an issue. No one can predict the future, but anyone ever hoping to see a reunion certainly has more to cling today than they did a year ago.

Maybe Izzy would join GnR or VR permanently but if he did he would ruin his friendships with lots of the people, Hes better off just joining them occasionally and being the one thing VR and Gnr have in common. I wonder if Axl has ever asked Izzy, So how are slash and duff?

Is this much different then when Izzy played with VR? 

What is his agenda?  Do you think he will do this when VR tours again, or will they just say stick with Axl? hell, he only joined VR for GNR songs and once for You Got No Right.

I think Izzy playing with Axl means a lot more to him than a GNR reunion...They grew up together and they also played in Hollywood Rose together...I think Izzy and AXL look at this as more of a friendship reuniting than a GNR reuniting....And i do not think axl cares how duff or slash is anymore........One thought, maybe AXL waited so long to hire a guitar player (bumblefoot) was because he was trying to get Izzy or ...ahem......Slash

Good point mike!  That was probably discussed during the infamous meeting at 5:30 in the morning at Axl's house that Slash denies ever exhisted.

OH I just read it here http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=31691.msg622430#msg622430
That's from the review of axlstod.

I thought it's so sweet! :love:

I don't think Izzy is the most reliable guy to have in your band, but I would have loved to seen Izzy and Bucket in the band together.

Especially the moment when Bucket discovers Izzy has trashed, puked and passed out in his chicken coop in the studio.

This is great!  I couldn't be more happy that Axl and Izzy are friends again.  I think both of them are at their best when working together.  I hate to say it but do ya think he will be permanetly joining them?  If so, who leaves?  Sucks because these new guys have stuck with Axl through some pretty tough shit.  Still though, I love having Izzy back.

Whoever suggested a few pages back that I contact Izzy and ask him to open for a few GNR shows.... no. I think Izzy might be offended by that. He is not an opening act for GNR, he made GNR 8)

I am tempted to email Izz and ask if this is just a temporary thing or is he looking more at the long term idea of re-joining GNR but I think it is obvious that it is only short term.... otherwise why stop on the 21st?

I still think he should make appearances on the UK tour, but I doubt it, or maybe just for the lucky ones at Wembley.

For GNR, full time is technically part time. Tour every four years, release an album every fourteen, I'm sure he'd cope  : ok: 

Kerrang! 2001:

Or, what if he proposed to you to return to Guns N. Roses, what would you say?

If he called me I would tell him: we're going to talk to Slash and Duff and make some good music, I think that it would
be good.

You would only accept if you were accompanied by the rest of the original formation?

Only with the original formation, or at least with Slash and Duff, I couldn't do it any other way.

Interesting

i see what you are getting at but he is a guest not a member there is a difference there plus it was 5 years ago plenty of the members have said shit that wouldnt happen but it has so nevermind

Shame Axl didn't call him, then. We should make some inter-band transfers. Scott Weiland can have the new Guns for his backing band in exchange for Slash and Duff (he can't have Brain, though). Then we still get two great bands  : ok: : ok:

Like I said before I don't think Izzy will join any band let alone GN'R... he likes his freedom to much. He said himself the thing he likes most is traveling and writing/recording music. And that's exactly what he's doing for several years. He doesn't like the business side of music and the commitments of touring. He wants to be able to go and do whatever he wants at any time. A few gigs here and there sure but a whole tour.. Izzy is just playing with new GN'R ?for the same reason he played with VR and AA. And that's cause of Axl/Slash/Duff/Steven.

I can see Izzy writing/recording with Axl, just like he did with Slash/Duff and Steven, but not joining a band and going thru the whole thing.

I kinda agree...
I've always wondered why Izzy had to go because of that though... if he likes te write songs en record them, that's fine... if he doesn't want te perform that's fine: they can get a session player for that; if he does, well, the session player can stay at home... I would've been OK with that (I even think Gilby would've been OK with that back in the day ;) ).

Axl is not stupid...

To Izzy, as many have said, it is probably nothing more than playing with a childhood friend with whom you haven't played with in years, but in that same sense, Axl knows that to us it seems like "Izzy is giving New Gn'R his own, personal approval."

Axl maybe trying to establish a blueprint for a reunion after Chinese Democracy is all said and done, but to me right now, it's as simple as Axl trying to turn the stubborn old-school fans on to the new lineup as well as his new material.

It's the exact same strategy as Bumblefoot playing Dont Cry by himself...

Axl is trying to knit a bond between the old fan base, and the fan base of the new with one common desire...to see Gn'R in either incarnation rock the fuck out! : ok:

that might be true to some extent.... it`s definitely a nice side effec. however, i don`t think axl wants to use izzy for his new gnr. he wants to play with his old mate izzy again as well : ok:

I never said Axl was essentially "using" Izzy's presence to further his own gain, or the acceptance of the new band, I simply mean't that Axl is capable of playing with one of his oldest friends, while also turning the old-school fans on to the new material and line up all at once : ok:

Great post!! I agree 100% :beer: I would applaud you Karma if I had the power! : ok:

I love waking up on a Wednesday with my thinking cap on : ok:... :hihi:

Great post and I have to agree with you. Not that any of the above is a bad thing. It's great to see Izzy on stage and great to hear Don't Cry (was that Ron's idea or Axl's?). It doesn't really matter to me why it's being done, but regardless it is a smart move an Axl/the band's part.

I'll say this, I don't see Izzy playing with the new band as a way of "repairing" his relationship with Axl.  I think that kind of thing is done through talking to each other and hanging out together, which by all accounts, Axl and Izzy have already done.  I think that Izzy is playing with the band in Europe because he had fun in NYC and likes playing with these guys.  I don't think he'd do this if he didn't like playing with the guys and didn't respect them.

Ali

Update from Izzy, he says the Paris show on the 20st is the LAST show he's commited to at this point and not the 21st. If any other dates are added he'll let us know..

Thanks IzzyDutch.  Any word on Izzy possibly writing with Axl in the future?

^ Nope no word about that. :)

he should join the band on july 2nd in nijmegen : ok:

I'd rather not I don't have tickets for that one ;D

How a first single before the second album?

Nonono, june 26th in Stockholm  :yes: : ok:

can somebody tell me what mean this

"hump back "

^yeah that you're not paying attention :P

Izzy will join this evening in Austria and in Paris on the 20th and that will be the final one, not the Z?rich show on the 21st like mentioned earlier.