Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Check it out, near the 60 minute mark a guy phones in who's been to Dublin. They talk about how it was a great gig, Axl sounded great, the fact that they actually started on time, Matt mentions that it hurts to hear the guy call it GnR but that he's happy for Axl that he's out there performing, sounding good, etc...
Quite a nice listen...

http://www.shenon.net/BM_Media/Podcasts/10_06_06.mp3

Hey cool man. Just to clear things up, Sorum is on a show and a caller rings in about Dublin?

Can someone cut the mp3 to just the GnR stuff?

yeah i don't wanna hear sorum. : ok: cut to gnr

It wasn't Matt that said it. It was Mike Giuliana. :hihi:

Haha that was quite funny  :D

Correct

It's actually Sorum (and the other host: Billy Morrison) talkin' to a GnR fan about the concert in Dublin.

I found it cool how Matt was able to joke about some things ('wow, Axl was 5 minutes early?'), remenis some of the better old times, compliment Axl on his 'set of pipes' (aka vocals), be honest about how he feels about the new guys still being called GnR (fairly sure it was Matt who said that ;)). You know...
There's some mild teasing going on (bumblefoot's name), but generally, they were really respectful to Axl.

Matt probably is respectful to Axl. Hes like one of the only members of the band who hasnt faced a lawsuit from him, correct?

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

He was on 3 of their albums. Sounds real to me.

Check the credits on live era. He's listed as additional musician  8)

why should Sorum be so bothered about GnR being called GnR. GnR has been breaking up and finding new band members since day one. GnR 2006 just happens to be the lastest line up, thats how i view it   :)

If Matt's not "real", what is Brain? Have you seen the GNR resumes of both men?

i think it's safe to say that Matt has a played a bit more live shows with GnR than brain and has been involved in more releases than Brain :peace:

That 'additional musician' thing was merely a cheap jibe at Sorum from Axl at the time. From the moment Matt joined the band Axl has said he was a member. He actually said he 'saved' the band when he did the famous last words interview with Kurt Loder. Although by Sorum's own admission he has said on BTM that he felt like he was in someone else's movie the whole time, so maybe it is a contradiction to say your hurt, but he's allowed to say that right? i think so. :)


Simply not true. Everyone in the original GNR said they couldn't have made appetite without those exact five guys. And those exact five guys were together for a little over five years.


So your saying if Axl fired all the new 'members' tommorow and hired a whole bunch of new ones that it would be still Guns N' Roses? Becuase that's how a lot of us old fans think about this new band at the minute. (Sorry if your a fan from back in the day like myself). You can call these guys a great band all you want and i will agree becuase they are, i love the new songs and Chinese Democracy will rock. But for me its an Axl Rose solo project were he calls the shots, and the rest of the guys say OK. Guns N' Roses that came up with all the classic music from '86 - '91 died when Izzy left for me. Notice i'm not saying that Slash is Guns N' Roses here becuase he's not, Axl's not, Izzy's, not, Duff's not, and Steven Adler is not. But together they were....

without Axl i doubt we would have heard of Duff, Izzy, Slash or Adler. Axl makes the band. The new band members are musicians, they have had their input into Chinese Democracy. Every GnR album has been different, Lies has always been the weakest of the bunch, it's the one GnR album i never play. AFD is the classic GnR album, it does sound dated and poorly reocrded. Live Era is great. The UYI albums are a mixed bag, the songs on those albums go from poor to great. From what i have heard of the new material, i am liking it more than the old material. Don't ask me why, but Nightrain is the one GnR song that i like most, as simple as the song is, it has something going for it.

hey guys-im paul and i was the caller.
both are great guys and please -dont slate matt,he was joking about the gnr thing and there is no animosity so lets not make anything out of it.
matt is happy with vr as is slash n duff ,axl is happy with gnr.
peace.

And without those 4 we never hear of Axl probably, because SCOM put the band on the map in terms of mainstream coverage, and that wasn't Axl's riff. He was able to recognize it was good, but without Slash having the ability to come up with something so timeless the song never exists. It's like the chicken before the egg argument. Which is really responsible for the other.

If Matt wasn't a "real" member to you, then your beloved new lineup must be nothing then? Or is it simply double standards with you.

Good point.


Nightrain is my fave gnr song too! I agree about the Illusions also being a mixed bag. But seriosuly man give GNR Lies a few more listens. I think it's there second best album even though its only an EP. And by the way i can prove for a fact that Axl re-recorded the vocals to 90% of Live-Era. Yea i know that every gnr album has been different and obviously so will Chinese Democracy but ?does that make it Guns N' Roses? Also i'm aware that everyone had input into the new album (apart from BBF i think) but it's on Axl's clock that they do the stuff. If Axl waited on 2010 to tour and release Chinese Democracy i'm pretty sure most of those would still be there and people like you would still have the nerve to call it Guns N' Roses just becuase Axl got to keep the name.

Yes but he's listed as a full member on three studio albums, more than any other GnR drummer!

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

i find the comment real hard to accept about the "we wouldnt even of heard aboout slash, duff, izzy, steven"

im sure we woulod have heard about slash at one point, his talent was always recogniseable, he was mates with nikki sixx anyway, so im sure he would have broke in some where : ok:

duff is a great bassist, im sure his talent wouldnt have taken long to pick up

izzy is a great songwriter and player, who probaly wouldnt care if we didnt know who he was!!

as for steven.....well he'd probaly still be shooting up anyway so.......

Slash is second in line to Axl, so sure, Slash might have appeared in someband, who knows  :peace:

heh, maybe if Duff had not had made GnR from the begining, he might have been picked up for the new GnR  :hihi:

No member would have made it with out each other.

still, when izzy left, i preffered gilby (as a live act).

I happen to like Lies more than eiether the Illusions.. Every song is classic in my opionion.. Although Patience bores the piss out of me... Lame sappy lyrics... In it's day I liked it though.

are you high? no seriously, are you?

i also wonder this

And listening to Hollywood Rose there was nothing unique to their sound that would have made them the biggest rock band at that time

Exactly it took Slash and Steven to form with Izzy and Axl and then along came Duff. Hey Presto, musical geniuses. I agree that patince never sounded right live, but that's cuz the stupid bastards hardly ever played it all acoustically. I love the studio version. Used To Love Her is admittantly a joke song by the band but it fuckin rocks so what. One In A Million is a well executed song. Mama Kin just OK???? Unbeleivable man. Nice Boys is the song i wish they played more live. IT FUCKIN ROCKS!

AFD was recorded before digital, i think the word is analog. Analog has it's limits and due to no fault of the artist, analog recorded albums have un wanted hiss and a slighy flat sound to them. The AFD GnR sounded so much better live than they do on the album. When Chinese Democracy arrives, the studio recording should be something else.

You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all.

True Dat..... That shit is pretty fucking terrible.  "I'm A rocker!!"

Matt is a great drummer.  From his work in GNR to the Cult to VR, he's shown he knows his way around a drum kit.  What the hell do you mean he has no groove?  Most people with any taint of musical knowledge will tell you that Sorum is a decent drummer and can throw down.  Don't use your personal opinions to speak for "most" fans.

Matt's a great drummer. I prefer steven and brain but Matt is a very good drummer and greatly respected in the industry. I don't know what you are talking about but then again i never know what you are talking about

You dont know anything. All you do is talk in cliches to make new members look good and old members look like shit. I heard Axl say in Mountain View with my own ears that Matt Sorum was the greatest drummer in the world. He said it in many other places as well. Is Axl a liar? Is he fickle? Just went along with Slash and Duff? Gimme a fucking break. If Sorum never left the band you would be saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Reel it in kids, we're in Dead Horse territory...

you are a bunch of fuckin nobs arnt you???
for fuck sake get over the whole old/new gnr thing its old allready just be happy for every1 thats been in gnr as they are??
to the people that bitch about matt bein shit-well why arnt you a famous drummer that has been in many big bands??
probably becuase your shit and thats why you bitch.
this topic is about CFR nothing else so for fuck sake give it up...

I think Matt was very controlled on the Guns records by other members. Not really any artistical freedom... I remember something that Axl told Matt to do that famous fill which is almost in every UYI song. Duff wrote some of the drums too, so it's not really all to blame on Matt.
I like him alot more on the Snakepit and Contraband.
I don't know what Chineseblues tries to achieve with that shit. I guess it's something like hes defence to drag the old band in shit to make the new-gn'r look better.
Dead Horse.

If you people knew anything you would know I have never liked matt's drumming ever since I became a gnr fan back in the early 90's. Adler might not be as technical but he is a better all around drummer to matt. So say what you want but you really dont know shit.

Can someone trim the mp3 and upload just the Guns bit? Im eager to hear it but dont want to bust my limited bandwith.  :no:

so because you happen to not link him he sucks?

So can I get a medal now or something... for posting a topic that has been moved from GNR to VR to Dead Horse? Or should this be moved to Appetite for Collection first? ;)

lol, post the trimmed down link if you can and it may well end up in AFC

Does that justify this: "You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all."
So if you think Sorum is a good drummer you don't know anything about music?
It's just your opinion.

And that version of Anything Goes wasn't all that hot either ;D

Just to clearify the whole "addition musican",  that was Axl's way of not having to pay Matt any royalities from the live Era album.

A caller from England called a couple of weeks ago and asked Matt why Double Talkin' Jive was never on that album. Matt briefly went into it, He said that he did play on 21 of the 23 songs on the album but didn't get 1 cent. And that was it. 

This, in my opinion explains Matt's past bitterness towards Axl. But as Matt has stated b/f he's past that now and perhaps the little get together they had in NY resolved all of that.

WTF?

The sound is one of the reasons the album is so fuckin good! if it had the production of any other band around that time, it would probably have sounded like shit.
They captured the sound and energy of the band.... not easy. its one of the BEST albums recorded, IMO.

damn right.... AFD is timeless and the sound is amazing

Nono, by any standards, AFD is pretty poorly recorded. The mix is particularly bad and the overall sound doesn't really have enough 'body', if you understand what I'm trying to say. It still is a timeless masterpiece though, despite the less then adequate recording.

I guess I don't understand, I just hear the sound and quality and think it sounds good.. I don't know any techincal terms or things behind an album..

i'm calling bs. obviously, it's not poorly recorded "by any standards." by my standards, it isn't. who am i to judge? well, i could qualify my opinion, but let me ask who are you to say it's poorly recorded "by any standards?" show me one ONE professional opinion online that backs up your claim. i searched around on amazon, allmusic, rolling stone, etc. and found plenty of recently written, glowing reviews of AFD that never once mentioned it sounding dated or poorly recorded. if you can find one, i seriously would love to read it, because i want to know what standards by which someone must judge a recording (other than "any") in order to deem the AFD recording quality "poor." if indeed AFD is poorly recorded, i think most of the rock records released today could stand to be done poorly in exactly the same fashion.

From http://www.gnrinfo.tk, quoting Axl:

Axl: We went and did test tracks with different people and they came out smooth and polished. We did some stuff with Spencer Proffer and Geffen records said it was too fuckin? radio. That?s why we went with Mike Clink, we went for a raw sound because it just didn?t gel having it too tight and concise.

Axl: We were basically in the production of this record, we were there like every step of the way, even to the - when we went to mix it, usually those people don't have anybody there - we went there with the mixing, when went there when they mastered it, we were there. And so... when you get this record, maybe it's not produced as well as something else you might hear, that is done by the best people in the world. But that's because this is more real, this is us! This isn't somebody else doing it.

So perhaps that's why you think it doesn't sound to good...it's meant to be that way.