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Sincerely, I think Ron playing the instrumental of "Don't Cry" without Axl is not a good idea. It makes people sad because everybody thinks about Slash and wants him to be there.

Speak for yourself.

You can't be serious.... :confused:

I read that from several fan reviews. and that's also the impression I get watching RIR Live. I just wanted Slash to be there SO MUCH while I heard the song? :-[
Either play the song entirely with Axl, and it would be fine, or don't play it as an instrumental. Not with just Ron onstage. It's not his song. It just makes people want Slash and fall down into nostalgia and sadness.

From the bootlegs I've heard, it seems like the crowd is really into it.. Keep it up, I wanna hear Don't Cry in Oslo! ?:peace:

Exactly, have you even listend to the bootlegs nesquick? The crowd goes crazy, so I don't get your point.

You are just probably speaking for yourself, and who cares about a goddamn review from the media?

If it's played good, keep it up.

i think thats not the reason to not to be played. i think it will be great if they play the whole song bc its a great fucking song and not only part of it.

sorry for my english. i hope u understand ;)

Going by this logic, shouldn't just about every song they play make people sad?

At least this one is telling you "Don't cry"? :)

Why think of slash axl and izzy wrote it

You can't be serious...

You really need to stop reading and listening to anything that has to do with this version of Guns N' Roses.

I mean, if you can't stand it, go watch some old bootlegs.

I'd offer to send you some for free but I don't have any money at the moment, cause I'm spending it all to go and see the 2 GN'R shows at Wembley arena in the end of July.

And I hope Ron will keep on playing that solo, it was one of the most beautiful highlights of the first 2 nights for me...

Would be cool to have just Axl and Ron on it : ok:

I am serious. and it's not necessary to be ironic. Read the reviews. and yes, the fans reviews. The shows are great, but that part recalls so much nostalgia... I don't know... maybe it would be better if they played it with Axl.

so...they shouldn't play Don't Cry, November rain, Sweet Child O'Mine at all only because some fans might become nostalgic?  wtf?
 ???

The crowd loves it and they sing along, its a great thing, he should keep playing it

Why would people think of Slash with "Don't Cry" more than any other song? Why not stop playing SCOM because people will think of Slash?

Ron Thal is a huge GNR fan.  Maybe he wants slash to return  :hihi:

Because Axl sings on it. When Axl's there, things changed because he's been part of Guns N' Roses from the begining. It's different.
But when he is not there...it sounds like a stranger trying to force and steal something that doesn't belong to him... do you see what I mean?

? ???? ???? ???

huh?

Somewhat (and thankfully) off-topic, Vernon Reid was on XM Radios Ron & Fez show today and said that hes very excited about the new GNR record and their new "monster guitarist," Ron Thal.  He also recognized Buckethead.

Yeah I agree. It would be far better if Richard and Robin came on, made love, completed each other romantically, then played "Without you" by Mariah Carey.

Thats a plan, I'll tell Axl.

 :P

how i have reconciled it is to think of it in the same slash would play the godfather/wild horses/etc.
thai is paying tribute to a great band and a great song. obviously there is a problem in the tribute is a living eulogy of sorts. its a confusing theory to explain, but i think his intentions are honourable and its a nice touch. maybe even a "paying your dues" sort of ritual. if axl sings on it and the full band joins it, it sorta shits on the memory of the old guys, whereas thai playing it individually is a great reminder of where we've came from. its a respectful nod to the past.

Vernon Reid is an amazing talent.

Doesn't Thall only play the intro part anyway? Axl doesn't even have a part in that.

haha, indeed. i haven't even thought of slash once.
matter of fact, i don't want slash playing it, i want ron playing it. so there.

I agree, I think the solo is completely pointless, if the band's not going to do the song...

Cool Ron likes to play it, but I'd rather here something he made up himself.

In time we probably will get the full Dont Cry song hopefully.

So people complain when robin and dickie play that beautiful song and people bitch when Ron plays a gnr song for a solo. More Proof this band cannot win.

He plays the vocal melody.

pointless? the crowd enjoys it every time!
it's a breath of fresh air, he happy he even plays it!

not really...i mean i dont think of don't cry as a slash song...its the axl trilogy!!!

he sure is - I would prefer him to BBF

Exactly, 2/3 of the fucking setlist should remind people of the old band.

Thats right - your thread should be addressing why he should just play CD songs and nothing else

This thread doesn't make sense.  Don't Cry was written by Axl and Izzy.  And GnR plays plenty of other songs that Slash contributed more to than Don't Cry

I don't really see "Don't Cry" as a Slash song myself.

I think its cool he plays dont cry in his solo, he's a fan of the music, why wouldnt he want to play... imagine if he did the civil war solo, i dont think anyone would be crying for slash.  Everyone loves the old band, but its not 1987 anymore, its 2006, i got an email from richard fortus today, and he said he thinks this is the best band in the world right now, and i agree with that statement 100%

Trust me, it's better that Ron plays "Don't Cry", otherwise you would have to hear him play ?pointless shredding. I saw him play that pointless shredding crap and you really don't want to be subjected to that shit.

it really is and i'm damn proud of that fact, having followed them since the beginning. 8) :beer:

"Don't Cry" is a great song, but do they just do the guitar solo's to this song at the concerts? Or do they actually have this song as part of the setlist? I know they didn't play it at RIR5 but I think I heard they played the song at another show, and it wasn't just the solo guitarist part, someone said that they actually did the entire song with Axl singing as well.. is this true? And if not, why don't they add this song to the setlist? ???

Damn I wish people would shutup about Slash. Like those other guys, I havn't thought of Slash either, and why should I? He's not in the band.

now that was a good post   :hihi: :beer:

you can't tell people to shut up about Slash.Its fun to complain about everything in the net.especially about Guns N' Roses. :hihi:

this is a guitar band, bring on the fuckin solos, these guys still have some proving to do...not in my eyes, but to the world, they are much better then VR, Tool and all those hyped up queer bands!  In all areas, especially the vocals department   : ok:

lol yea i could see it

ron thal issues statement

" Slash , dude come on get back in the band......."

I NEVER thought of slash lol maybe in sweet child o mine intro or solo , its not like thal is playing the godfather lol , reminds me of izzy "where's izzy" lol....i like him doing it though.

for all the solos, the old band played fuckload of em!
set: Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Live And Let Die, Attitude, It's So Easy, Double Talkin' Jive, Civil War, Wild Horses [Intro] / Patience, You Could be Mine, Piano Solo, November Rain, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Nightrain, Don't Cry, Move To The City, Sail Away Sweet Sister / Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Estranged, Mother [Intro] / Paradise City


i see 8 different solos here, counting slash solo and godfather in one.

just though i pop that in.

thanks to gnrontour.com for that one ;)

I think an entire gnr tour of afd and nr, don't cry solos, kohd & live n let die all reminds me way to much of the old band...

I think it affects eevryone differently, if you grew up with the old band and your favorite wasn't only axl those feelings are normal..

Dave are you that dumb, why would anyone think of slash even though izzy wrote it...? lets think about it.. It's about a visual..

I guess no gnr fans think about axl/gnr when they hear kohd or live n let die even though axl didn't write them.. :hihi:

Yeah, no. It doesn't really bring anything up about Slash, IMO. Most casual fans don't really typecast certain songs as a certain person's, much like we say 'Estranged' is Axl's song, or 'Coma' is Slash's song. I don't think most people hear Ron play 'Don't Cry' and think "Hey that's a Slash song. I want him back.". Doesn't really happen like that...

if you were an avid fan who watched videos certain parts immediatly jump out on who belongs to that parts..

What gnr fan hears the opening solo to scom and doesn't see slash plugging in and standing there?

What fan doesn't hear the double NR solo and think of slash outside the church with the wind blowing?

What gnr fan doesn't hear DC and think of slash on top of that mountain hill playing then tossing his guitar?

I think if you are a fan that knows the videos, you have an image of what should be going down when you hear that music

No. It don't see why it's different with Don't Cry ? Why this particular one would bring nostalgia back ...

Your thread seems pointless to me : ok: I don't feel nostalgic when I see/hear GN'R playing any of the older songs, so why with Don't Cry ?

Besides, the crowds seem to respond pretty good to Ron's solo, all singing along and everyting.

but can people see why someone would get saod or nostaligic from this setlist??

All afd plus nr, dc solo, live n let die, kohd.... That's like a dream setlist of old..

When I was at hammerstein I though tthe band rocked, but to many memories when you use the gnr name plus play those tunes, it was better for me when they played their newer music

Honestly I don't want to hear afd songs played by others who didn't work on them

I will ALWAYS, always, always want Slash back in the band. Period. And I do miss him when new GnR is playing those old tunes. It's just weird hearing all those AFD songs when in my head it has always been Slash playing them. So yeah, I enjoy the new band but it's still a bit weird.....so I understand when people miss the old guys. I started listeing to GnR when I was 8 in '88. So the visuals I have of GnR have always been Axl, Slash......and to a lesser extent Duff and Matt....and Izzy was never there much anyway so.....

That I agree with you Mike, and I see why you feel sad or nostalgic ... This setlist needs big changes, and soon !


But the fact is that this is GN'R. I mean, Sorum and Reed were playing the very same songs, and they didn't wrote them either. But I agree that this band needs to play their stuffs prior to anything else. Or they'll always pass for a huge cover band.

Play the Cd tracks god damn it ! (well, release it first ;D)

Show me those reviews of yours.. And besides Ive read the complete opposite.

@ Rourke they have played 6 of 13 or 12 songs so far.. And you want more? ???

i'll send you a skirt n' a box of tissues :o :o

n' why the hell shouldnt he play it, what Ron is playin is his OWN rendition of the song, what he plays isnt even played exactly  like that in Dont Cry, so good on em'!! :rant: : ok:

I mean, play a tour that's based on CD material, not on AFD. Of course I wanty more, but just for this band to play their own stuff. Cause I think it must be frustrating to play always the old songs.

I'm sorry, I speak french so it's hard for me to express what I mean in english. But what I try to say is that after the release of CD I hope that there's going to be a lot less songs from AFD, a few more from UYI, and a hell lot more from CD :yes:

great point.  Playing all the old material does invoke different emotions to everyone.  It doesnt really affect me because I dont really remember much about GNR when i was 7 or 8.  But I also think when they tour in the US in the fall they should make it a heavy Chinese Democracy Setlist, with some other new songs and maybe 4 or 5 classics.  Richard also said in the mail their best work is yet to come, so hopefully that will be an indicator.

Ron's "Don't cry" reminded me on Tracii Guns.  ;D
I'm serious.
Isn't he the one who has written that riff, or at least he claims like that?

I heard it yesterday, and didn't like it that much.
I haven't even sang, even though it's one of my favourite songs, the one
I often sing.
I don't know why, I just don't like it.

why the fuck would anyone think about slash when ron plays don't cry?? its the last thing i would think of!!

what i would think is "wow he's playing don't cry what a really cool guy im glad he's a really cool guy!

not

"slash ohhhh slash where art thou" :peace:

I don't believe Don't Cry was played with Axl singing as part of any setlist so far.  You are not alone many people have started threads wondering why this song isn't part of the setlist. 

Ron did play DC during his solo in RIR.  It was just that the sound mix was so bad, you could hear people singing in the crowd but you couldn't hear the guitar notes very well.

I hate Don't Cry with a passion and would definitely go take a piss and get a beer if it's played at any of the shows I go to. :o So, no, the song means nothing to me whether it is played by Ron, Jarmo, or the Top Hatted One. : ok:

a little off topic but, how are the guitars in this band??i mean BH added bits into slash's stuff etc, whats the crack this time?? i cant download songs etc no speakers

If you said the song call shanon hoon to your mind, your sorrow would be easy to understand. ???

If it's only about visuals, then let's wait for the band to shoot videos. Then you'll have the right face that will pop in your mind :hihi:

In fact, let's redo all the GN'R's videos :rofl:

We got time to kill anyway, until fall - late fall :peace:

Seeing the old band perform makes me nostalgic.

Seeing Ron do the guitar solo doesn't.


Should Axl ever sing the song again live, I might just get all sappy because of that. Having Shannon do an Izzy with the new band... Would be so cool.  :'(

I felt the exact same way.

I didn't know much about shanon but I think maybe that's the reason axl doesn't sing it.
Singing "don't cry" with a moist look in his eyes might be a bit too much for him.

I think ron is a great player and agreat guy, but seeing him playing it doesn't feel like gnr at all.. I'm sick of replacements playing gnr classics already....

... and all the other Slash solo's they play doesn't...?

Mike, I feel you on that.  This band needs its own identity, and perhaps a new name.

If we're ever lucky enough to get that album and he tours afterwards and releases a single at least I feel we will get newer material... I want maybe 4 old songs, wttj, scom, pc, nr