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Since GNR will be heading back to the States sometime around September, I was thinking maybe they'd "redeem" themselves on the VMAs this year.

Does everyone think that'd be a good idea for the band at this point?

I don't think VMA want's them.

But do you think it would be a good idea for them to do it?

Trust me.....they do.

It's not like GN'R wasn't MTV's top requested band (producers' requests) for their VMA program for years in a row after the original band's demise.

Without an album or single it wouldn't be worth it. ?They need their own identity. ?Until they do that nobody will take them seriously, unfortunately. ?

Yes, this is correct as well.

Hah, imagine GN'R playing Better on the VMAs...the audience would just drown in their own orgasmic juices! :hihi:

Yeah they definitely need to be singing something new (IMO) and I'm not talking The Blues or Madagascar...I mean NEW, NEW!

They will sink or swim with the new album.  They can't do award shows with any of the news songs no matter how good they are without people knowing the songs they are singing.  So, they need a single or album to hit the radio so people can judge it and decide if they like it or not.

I agree. I think it'd be kick ass if they played the first single.

Axl has hinted the album to be dropped in the fall. I'm pretty confident the band won't tour the States without a new album, it'd just be 2002 all over again. VMA's in late August, Inland Invasion in late September. A single out with a month worth of airplay to build the hype, then start touring / drop album. Not saying it'll happen (we went over this in '02), but to me it sounds fairly logical.

How's album releasing in late September/early October?

I completely agree.  They need to get the album out.  Its the only way they can really BE Guns N Roses in most peoples eyes.  I loved the old band but hey, these guys rock.  You've got to hand it to them, let's face it, it can't have been easy to step into Slash and Duff's shoes.

The VMAs are generally on a Thursday (for some reason). Maybe they could do they single, then release it to rock radio the next morning for the weekend. Then let the hype build until the album is released like you said in late September or early October.

if axl wants mtv... mtv will jump.  It will only be a good idea if gnr releases a single and video.  Which they should do... so yeah its a great idea.  It should be a powerful single and video and they should tear the fucking vmas down, smash some guitars... axl should scream round 3 and soon is the word and then he should play 4 more hammerstein shows cause I want to go again!

Yeah they should play the VMA if they have a single out. If they don't have a single out in Sept then shit.

If they do the VMA, Id say do two or three songs that are new like, open with CD, Better, then TWAT

                 If they play the VMA's open with "Welcome to the Jungle " and go into " Better ". Axl did one good thing in 2002..he shocked people by showing up. It was a complete shocker as he ended up at the end. I'd love to see him open the show this year.

If they do that, they should really play complete songs. I think thats one thing that really went over peoples heads at the VMAs on 02. I don't think alot of people even understood it was a medley at first.

Wow, we're getting the VMA threads early this year! :hihi:

People who have been around this forum for awhile will understand this.

The only reason I started this one is because there is so much action this year (as opposed to the last 4).

2002 VMA's were the highest rated for the VMA's in like 8 years, up 19% over 2001, i remember that was on drudgereport when that happened. and i know the ratings have been off the last few years. i'm sure they want GN'R back. but this is the second post speculating on this i've seen in a week...it's june guys!...geez

I'm just having some fun. : ok:

If there will be an emergance of GNR on MTV, then this would be the year and the VMAs would be the show.

I thought the were going to head back to the States in August ????

I think its a very good possibility they show up this yr. If Axl mean swhat he says and the album is gonan drop in the fall, then the 1st single will be coming out right around the vmas. And guess where the best place to debut ur new single live and prepare for ur new album...u guessed it the vmas....

a nice better,single, twat medley would be steller....

but hopefully they move the vmas back to nyc. cause its horrile in miami. Liek the stage setup and the shows blow.....plus its been dropping in the ratings....must be the music...rap overload....time to rock.....

gnr need to do that this yr and have 1 of those big banners drop down and have the release date on it.....

Oh I wasn't taking offense, I just wanted to explain why I started it.

Personally though, if GNR have a US tour lined up ?before the VMAs, Id rather see them not do the show. ?MTV isn't all about the music anymore, and I dont want to see the media take any cheap shots at GNR after the show like in 02. ?Although it would be good publicity to support a tour bc then everyone in the US would see it. ?But if they wanted to be on TV charge like 15-20 bucks for a PPV of the hammerstein shows. ?IDK

I dunno, I don't think it'd be a very good idea. Kindof a 'Been there done that' type thing. I think we'd all love to see them, but most music fans would simply think "Oh, didn't they do that already."

While this fall is alot different than the 02 tour, as video clips & performances can be seen online, and can vouch that this band puts on a good show. I think it'd be better to do something new. Maybe "Saturday Night Live's" season premiere.

But yeah, I'm sure MTV would love to have them!!

Id actually prefer an unveiling of a new music video as oppose to a medley performance ala 2002.

Why would they? GNR isn't GNR unless it's got Slash, Izzy and Duff....

MTV would be smart to have GnR open... Then at the end, have a surprise performance by VR!!

(And for those who think GnR should close out... no way would Axl play after NOT being informed VR would be there, hence have GnR play first.)

And you people have yet to found a method of reason and understanding... ::)

and they never will...dont even bother

and then have izzy make a guest appearance and have a full reunion of the original band (minus adler of course)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that would be perfect for the VMA's...how could they say no???  ::)

You know Axl has an open contract with mtv, when ever he wants to do the VMAs he can.
also if they do it, just do one new song, no melody this time. Just do the first single.

 ???

This is news to me.

It would only be worth it if he played the first single.........

to go on again and look like a cover band would be dumb or too do a medley.... :confused:

If the album is coming out in the autumn then by september GNR (should) be in full CD promotion. A return to the VMA's might just work if CD really is just round the corner. An old song followed by a new would work for me, perhaps jungle as it's a good opener for the general public because everyone knows it, then hit them with the first single whatever that may be.

If GNR want to go on the VMA's providing they have something to promote I'm sure MTV will be more than happy, the last time GNR were on the VMA's it broke all sorts of viewing records, I'm sure MTV will want a piece of that again. ?

Already done.


What do you think da_pope?

Here is another topic that belongs in dead horse,  yet the relevent stuff like that I or others post gets deleted...

GNR at VMAs...Wow   how about your next topic be

Should Axl release "better" as a single,

you know so we can keep with the ongoing theme of repeating no threating, non-abusive Axl Rose comments....

No it didn't...

GNR was not responisble for any viewing records.....

axl and mtv get on like a house on fire! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R9DVVFxng8&search=axl%20mtv)

They're back at Radio City Music Hall this year...in good ole NYC.

:)

a couple weeks back, i had the same thought..

great minds think alike ;D

Every year someone posts this shit. look the answer is no fuck.

Ha you wish. More like a sea of hipsters scratching their heads saying 'what the fuck is this? this isn't Jungle...i've never heard this on the radio this sucks'.  :rofl:

The only orgasming would be here on these boards.

I'm pretty sure I read that the GNR performance on the VMA's in 02 was the most requested MTV moment ever. It's not that relevant anyway, the fact is millions of people saw GNR on the VMA's in 02, if GNR perform in 06 at the VMA's and get it right, then it could do wonders for a GNR return, do you not agree?

everyone's talking about what the band should or should not do trying to act like gnr's manager or whatnot..

i just wanna see gnr on the vmas, on the concerts, on the subways.. i dont give a fuck.. i wanna see gnr rock the fuck out in front of people again.. i dont give a shit what they play or what they do.. the hammerstein gigs i was at were so amazing and i honestly couldnt care less what they do or what they play.. i just wanna see em out and about again

Axl has been up and down at the VMA'S in his career.....2002 was a joke because his vocie was shot and he lookwed..well weird.............1992 'November Rain' came off as kinda cheesy....Rember, the 1992 VMA's were all about rock n roll and for AXL to come out and sit at the piano and do November Rain just didnt jive..Thats when GNR lost some of their street cred courtesy of Faith No More and Nirvana, etc.....Would have been much better if he came out with the boys and ripped into 'Right next door to hell' or 'Down on the farm' and blew the roof of the place.....................Now 1988 the boys kicked ass with 'welcome eo the jungle' which is the best VMA performance of any band in the history of the VMA's as far as i am concerned.........I showed that performance to a friend last week and he couldnt belive how much they rocked that shit..............And 1989 when Axl sang with Tom Petty that was badass too...........so we are 2 wins and 2 looses at the vmas...lets see if maybe this year can be 3 wins and 2 losses

If im not mistake that gnr segement at the end was the highest rated segement of any VMA moment ever  : ok:

I'm pretty sure it was too, hell the only reason me and a bunch of my friends tuned into the VMA's that year was because of the rumors that GNR was going to perform, watched the whole thing just to get to see em play.. so i'm sure a lot of people did the same

GNR better not do the VMA's even if they are asked to appear.   Last thing this band needs is to look like fools again on Live TV  before  releasing any new material.   It could be doom  for them .  It's better not to risk another catastrophy.  Just release a single and tour the states.

now that the Vma's are back in NYC they will get their ratings back  and the show should be interesting to watch again.  That show was meant to be in NYC and no where else.   Last time I watched that show was in 2002 (last time they were in NYC ). I'll be watching again.

They need to play new material: no more medleys. In fact, they should probably open the show. They closed in 2002, don't know why they would do it again four years later.

They can play the first single. Also if they want to make sure they play their best just take the song they want from one of their live shows. Just start playing the new song near the end of the euro tour and put that on mtv, like they did with LALD back in 91

I think they would make great now because:
- The ridiculous Buckethead is gone. The new line-up can't be moked anymore. And it's goooooooooood (ala Tommy)
- The band looks more like a real band now.
- Axl is better: he sounds better and he is "Axl the Rockstar" again. His aura has returned.
- The bandmates know better each other and are friends now. They have more chemistry now, and I think lots of kids could be impressed by Richard and Robin on guitar and by the new old good Axl. Today most of us are older, but don't forget when you're young you need idols. Sport idols, or music idols, or both, whatever, they are better than most of Rock bands right now... they are Rockstars... the kids love that...so let's play at the VMA? : ok:

Finally, NYC is the city of GNR now.

ser?? ;D :rofl:

MTV doesn't want them.
Why you ask? Because 12-16 year old girls don't want to see some 40 year old guy they don't know play hard rock songs.

Sure.......just like they didn't want them in 02.

And........I don't think anybody asked.

Actually, go check my post on page 2. Just pay no mind to that little "edit" notification and the time stamp accompanying it. Thats just a glitch in the system.

You people are deluded if you think anyone besides hardcore fans care about GN'R.

Without an album or a single out I would HATE to see them do the VMA's. Would just be embarressing. This late in the game the VMA's without a single would be a joke.

Exactly. No one would do anything special if it was the first time they heard Better. Like I said, no one besides hardcore fans care about GNR. Put out an album and we'll see.

Shit, I tossed this exact same idea about a week ago and one of the moderators locked the thread claiming it was too early to discuss,  :rofl:

cybercurves

  I think you are wrong.  I work in a hospital and a nurse who knows I'm a big fan came up to me today and told me about her daughter and/or niece's dance recital.  The last routine of the night was to Welcome to the Jungle.   :yes:   I think there will always be a market for a real rock star and the great music is a bonus.  There aren't too many rock stars left, and the teenies just might know that!    :peace:

No one was asking for the New lineup.
They were all hoping MTV could work some magic and get them reunited.

You really need to take of your Rose coloured glasses if you think any non-hardcore fan will be screaming "Get Axl and his bunch of back up musicians"

^Oh, too late, already happened.  ;D

if you really believe MTV doesn't want GNR at the VMA's, you're delusional...

GNR at the VMA's = Ratings boost, big time..

Haha, you wish.
You get the few thousand hardcore GN'R fans that watch and then you get casual fans who tune in, see the new band and change the channel.

Face it.
Guns N' Roses are NOT relevent anymore.

Please. I love GNR as much as the next guy but nobody eles cares. I think people WILL care when the album drops... but otherwise..

well, if it does indeed drop in "the fall" around VMA time, then we could very well get something from the VMA's be it a release date, new song, promo, whatever...

know what I'm saying?

If Axl did the VMA's and then announced the single was out and an album date, it would be worth it. Alot of attention, hype, ect. Otherwise it would be a waste of time.

The only reason Axl should play VMAs is to play a new hit single. No more medley rehash bullshit.

I would imagine MTV have serious doubts about letting Axl ever play live on their show again after 2002.

The funny thing I was thinking though, was that VMA 02 was quite a typical Axl vocal performance of 02. Some people on these boards claimed he was having an off night or that it was in fact 'electrifying'. Fact of the matter is, he was pretty much at that quality level all of 02, the only difference being that millions the world over witnessed/heard that one.

Unfortunately, I agree. It would also emphasise the fact that they did this four years ago they did the same thing and no album or single since. Chinese Democracy is enough of a joke around rock fans on the internet - dont have to introduce the whole of MTV to it.

absolutley, the chance passed and he blew it

jameslofton?  :hihi:

 :hihi: Ive been saying it all along?

VMA's would love I mean love to hear GNR play like a new single there to close the show or whatever. Be great for MTV and GNR. Slightly before the show release a single play it at the VMA's. Its the smart thing todo.

GNR NEW SINGLE on VMA's RATINGS would be out of control gauranteed.

I think after the Hammerstein shows and the European tour (if the rest is as successful as thus far) is over, MTV will see it as a kind of redemption, and they would be welcomed back with open arms. This is a much different beast than in '02.

I'm convinced that without a doubt MTV would LOVE to have GNR back.  MTV ratings would be huge. 

 People love to see Axl and are intrigued by him.  He looks and sounds better, and the band is better than 2002 IMO...lots of buzz is happening right  now and NYC is a great place to debut a new single.  I agree that Axl needs to close the show with the 1st single and not AFD material. 

It would kick ass

I agree with all of those saying they need a single. I myself, would not want to see them on there doing the same thing as in 02. It would as people are saying make the last melt down after that get the focus. They need a single at least, if not release the album by then. I am not holding my breath on the latter but the former should be done by then anyway.

haha, crack me up.

Glitch this!

You don't know your own ass from a hole in the ground..............

To whom? From what I read of yours, definately not you. But if you are talking about the industry and/or the mainstream fans, then I strongly encourage you to offer evidence as to why you believe this.

GNR should perform their new single. Then Axl and B-Real should duet together and perform hits from the bong. Smoke a bunch of fucking weed. Axl should rip a fuck load of smoke and make B bow down. Just as long as he doesn't choke. That would be worse then his 2002 VMA vocals.

Haha.. yeah I agree the 02 VMA performance kind of sucked, but it was cool to see GNR again so that made up for the vocals. If they did play at the VMA's this year that would be cool, but as everyone else said they should hype the new CD by playing a new song like "Better", cuz that fuckin' song rocks! :peace:

Is that why their Greatest Hits album has sold over 3 million copies in the US and been in the top 100 for over 2 years now?  I have news for you, the majority of the people buying that album aren't hardcore or old school fans

Well I have to say...

I said it months ago that axl would be a complete idiot if he hit the stage again without a new album. He did, and I was there for his first show and so far he is pulling it off.... although the media hasn't been kind, the media are also fucking idiots.

But if axl played the VMA's without at least a new single out before his performance I think he would be risking everything.... although i could be wrong.

But if he comes out with anything old he will really look like as hasbeen who can't live up to his ego.

Now.... if he releases a single in august. it gets on the radio and they bust it out at the VMA's that could be fucking awesome. IF that did happen my advice to him would be.... DOn't talk for a week before the show. Make sure you can fucking shred those vocals unlike anything he's ever done before. I don't care if he blows his voice out for a month... it had better sound like a razor through pavement. Because if he comes out sounding like he did in 2002 Round 3 ends in a TKO within the first 30 seconds.

GNR should only do it will a new killer single, an engerized and vocally outstanding axl, a rock n roll looking axl (no jersey's allowed) and with a band that doesn't look like a circus act (which they don't anymore)

ummm......

Nov. Rain won an award that year, GNR won the Micheal Jackson Video Van Guard Award and Nov. Rain that year was the most requested, which I believe is an honor it still holds...

yeah,,right next door to hell would have been a great choice  ::)

I'd love GN'R to perform, but only if they have a new album out.

I think it's hilarious that everybody on this board seems to think that they're the manager of GNR.

The launching of one would be interesting same in the VMA single, but exactly thus pra can be a good exposition band.

ATTENTION: Will everyone PLEASE resist the temptation to try to turn EVERY thread into this shit???

I know you live for the attention, but please knock this shit off. Especially since this discussion is actually going somewhere and all of it has NOTHING to do with the old band or your own incorrect opinion about GnRs relevance.

I think thats the general opinion. Maybe not have the album out just yet but at least a defninate date and a single.

I totally agree, and i also wish he would play hammerstein again because i loved it!

It would be funny if they did the VMA's again and pulled out the same Medley of Jungle, Madagascar, and PC.

funny for about 3 seconds......

At least Axl would look different...

i'll agree with the general sentiment of the thread and say yes it would be good for them to perform provided they play a new single and the album is right around the corner. and MTV would almost certainly have them back given the ratings of that year's VMAs.

this is probably the first time in 4 years a thread like this has been relevant :hihi:

That's what they call 'open office'.  ;D

They're all fans of the OLD GN'R.

Thats kind of obvious since the only tracks on there are by the old band. None of that has anything to do w/ whether or not GNR should/will play the VMAs anyways.

MTV would be crazy not to want GNR to play. GNR in like an accident you just have to look (watch) people want to see Axl and the band.  They want to see him succed, and some want to see him fail. MTV doesn't care which reason people are watching, they only care that they are watching. If GNR is available MTV would love to have them.

Seriously, I think it would have to happen. I think Axl has planned it and hinted around it. returning to the U.S around the time of the show, hinting a fall release... Show up there after the euro shows, perform maybe first single, tour U.S...album release this year if we're lucky.

Axl and MTV would be crazy not to take this opportunity.

I feel the same way. Soooo many people like to talk about the VMA performance as if the new band should be judge entirely by that alone. I'd love to see them show up and just kick everyones faces in so they all have to eat the fuck out of their words.

It goes without saying that a lot of younger kids have no real clue about GNR classic, but I actually think enough time has passed since the 2002 VMAs that a lot of kids don't even remember that. There has been so little activity since 2002 (until very recently) that, if they played this year's VMAs and had a good/excellent performance, I think it would be almost the same as a debut of the new band, at least as far as most people are concerned. Only the music writers would still talk about 2002, and we all know that kids today can't read, so that wouldn't matter...

I don't think GNR would get the slot unless they put out a single and/or video, or god forbid, drop the album.

It would be cool to have the badn play with the video in the background on big screens or something.

Haha....I see what you're saying but I disagree in some ways. I really feel like alot of casual fans really think that this band should be defined by that VMA performance. For instance, whenever I tell people that I drove to NYC for the Hammerstein gigs, they're always like "Was Axl all fat and out of breath like he was on MTV?? THAT SUCKED!!" and I have to go into a whole explination of how much ass they kicked in NYC.

just heard the vmas will be in nyc this year,

ahahhahaa ahahahha ahahahahha :) baz will kick ass at the vmas :)

Unless they have a new single out by then that has been on radio for a while it will be a disaster. People are not going to be nuts for a new song they have never heard, and they can't just get up and rehash the hits again for the 3rd time. The timing is just not right this year even though it seems as if it would be a good opportunity.

With Axl's luck, he's best not to play the VMA's. If he has mic problems, or any kind of technical difficulties, this could put a dent in ticket sales for the tour. Axl should show up and present an award on the show, give the album release date, and premiere a brand new video. That's what you call marketing kids.

Do you honestly think that MTV will play along with this??

Yes MTV will play along with this.

I dont think MTV will play a new video from a band at the VMAs... :no:

They wouldn't play a video unless it was at the post show. But the rest would be cool.

They NEVER play videos!  :rofl:

This isn't some video by some band. It's the first video from the most mythical rock album of all time. This would mean huge ratings for MTV, thus they would play the video during the show, guaranfuckingteed!!

im not sure where you're drawing the connection between music videos and MTV?

i thought BET was the channel we go to for music videos?

Doesn't EVERYONE go to BET for their rock video fix?  :hihi: