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god I've been watching super group and sebation bach is such a chick, he's such a pain in the ass and all about himself.. I am just glad he never ended up with vr..

Also is he just playing with axl do get some exposure for the show or himself.. ? I mean I met the guy evan seinfeld at hammerstein who is also in the Super group..

Bach is definitely a tool, he's just trying to get publicity fo himself.

As for Evan Seinfeld. Cant believe what happened to that guy, Biohazard used to rule back in the day.

Sebation was like I can't take photos I have to run, I need to get in shape....  :hihi:

Looks like he boozes it up next week and evan lets him have it...

Scott iann evan seem really cool

When I met evan he was really cool and shook my hand and signed my ticket.. Told him I watched OZ and so on... I saw he was with a super hot chick, never realised at that moment it was tera :'( he's a small dude too, I was suprised..

Do you ever stop bitching about anything? If Baz would have been in VR you would be saying he is the greatest ever. Now, because he's jamming with gnr, hes only looking for exposure and hes a "tool". Get over it.  ::)

Seb is awesome, a bit wacky, but awesome nonetheless.

Without a doubt one of the best frontmen I've ever seen live.

And I think he is playing with Guns because Axl asked him to.

like you're one to talk... I said it based on the show.. if he would have been in vr he would have been dated, anyone knows that, even the demo he did on the show sounds 80's

all afd and bach,? :hihi:

and he is a great frontman, I was talking about his attitude and ways on the show..

Like i'll take advice from someone who thinks this is gnr :hihi: basically you'll love anyone who nut hugs with axl

No one can say anything on this site without being flamed. Cant we all express our opinions?

I agree that Bach is an great frontman - Slave to the Grind is an amazing record and he has a great voice. But a dick is still a dick at the end of the day.

We are discussing 2 front men who alienated all of their former bandmates due to unreasonable behaviour - gotta say something hasnt it?

Anyhoo, I shall reserve any further opinion for Wednesday night at Hammersmith.

Isn't he called Sebastian? Not Sebation.

I think Baz is a great vocalist, but he just wouldn't fit in VR...

I wish he would join GN'R in Stockholm too!  :(

not with cb around, unless it's saying how much you love finck or something...

Like it's a big deal to think bach is a dick based on the way he acts on the super group show.. Even teh people on teh show in his band are saying how he is being a diva.. His ex members from SR want nothing to do with him.. ?

This has nothing to do with the idea he sang with axl.. I'm only speaking of how his behviour is on the show and how he is difficult with his new band and how it would have been tough with him along with vr..

Well said.

I loved skid row, the big three from them were awesome youth gone wild, 18 and life, I remember u.. His vocals were very powerfull, great debut album too..

On last nights Camp Freddy Radio show, Matt Sorum addresses Bach and why he wasn't the right guy for VR.?

The podcast can be found here:

http://www.shenon.net/BM_Media/Podcasts/03_06_06.mp3

Give it a listen. :yes:

thanks but it's an hour ten minutes what part of is it around

there's five of us and you go like this and you call it fist :rofl: Bach was funny... matt is funny on this.. 13+ minute mark :hihi:

then said his vocals were great, sang slither or parts of it..  he talked about he was in flames and whit eboots, just wasn't the direction they were looking for.. Talked about tehm stoned on a plane from opium back in the day

And Scott Weiland isnt difficult?  Didnt he no-show VRs first rehearsal and arrive very late to the next one?

I think Weilands the best frontman around and I dont think Bach was right for VR, but it seems unfair to single him for a few moments weve seen in a reality show and presumptuous to act is if you know his "true motives" for performing with Axl.  All indicators show Weiland being as difficult as any frontman out there, perhaps moreso; you just dont have the opportunity to witness VRs goings-on like you do with Bachs band.   

On Supergroup who wrote the lyrics:

Evan

Bach just isnt a songwriter that is another huge reason Weiland was selected in my opinion.

Scott vs Anthony Kiedis for best frontman right now........ Ill go AK by a hair.

I agree with you 100%.  I always thought he was a puss.

I'm talking about the show and what I saw, if weiland was on the show and was being a fag I would say the same thing..

Few moments is all you need, his own new band was knocking him, he was like find another singer find another singer, he was a whiney bitch.. Can't take my photo I have to go run, I have to get in shape...

he came down in that jumpsuit, they were like change it

I love his voclas, I it just seems he would have been difficult with the band he has to have his own way a great deal of the time otherwise he'll be like 'find another singer"

yes weiland is a pain in the ass but they chose him and it has worked so far..

right on cornell

They should've gone with Josh Todd and Keith Nelson, I'm this much more convinced after seeing Buckcherry live recently, they're actually better live than VR, and because Keith Nelson is a million times better player and writer than Dave Kushner.  But Weiland was a good choice, better than Bach for the band because of his songwriting ability.  He needs to ditch the megaphone though  :smoking:

I just gotta ask who the hell is Sebation?    :rofl:

sorry I didn't spell his name right...

Just teasin' no harm!

sebastian, there we go :hihi:

I missed super group last night, catch it during the week, last night for me was soprano's night and off to bed as quickly as possible..

I am also Glad they didn't pick Sebastian..  He is a washed up 80's butt rocker transformed into a reality show and VH1 whore.... VR would have been a nightmare with him..

He's a fucking fruit

I don't like his personality in order to have him in any band I like

i wish baz was with VR i dont care if hes a pre-madonna or whatever. Axl was a control freak nobody here whines about him. Baz is the 1 singer i wanted in VR. i hate scott, he cant hold a candle to baz

Baz may be a difficult person, but in comparison to Axl he's probably as gentle as a puppy dog...  :hihi:

please if baz was with vr you'd hear 80's rock ,or trying to be like axl old gnr, better they drifted away from the guy to be taken more seriously..

Other way around, Axl called up Sebastian

You really care? Even if it had some of that flavor, so what. Who do you want acceptance from? If I like it I like it.

Too bad.

I guess I would have rather have taken them unseriously.

VR is much better with Scott Weiland than Sebastchian Bach.
Sebastchian is better off touring with Axl and performing with his supergoup / solo than being a pain in the ass to Slash & Duff who are serious about proving their worth after GNR.

MNW

well I would want what I like to be taken seriously instead of getting an instant label of hair metal or 80's cheese.. I have always liked baz, I just think they were btter off with scott

I think we'll really be able to tell if Scott is worth all of the hassle and baggage that comes along with him, when Libertad drops.

TO me personally regardless of wether it's hailed or not doesn't change my opinion of scott... I fucking loved stp, he sang great on those albums and they sold good.. it's like if slash never did another good solo in his life gnr will always make him a legend.. I think though if you don't like scott nothing will change people's minds about him..

I don't particularly have anything against him.

But I don't think it was cool of him to reject a bunch of songs Izzy helped write so we could get an STP flavoured album.

But I guess Slash and the rest are maybe even more to blame for giving in to Scott's whims just like that. He calls from prison for crying out loud and says "no way, too GNR".

Fuck off, Scott.

he said that? i've only heard like rumors about it,but it is true?

That's where he was when the album was made so I'm assuming so.

Well he's the singer they hired so maybe he didn't wan tto sing izzy's song instead of what he came up with.. It's not like CD with new gnr where twenty people have contributed to the album.. Maybe he wanted the music to be inhouse vocaly.. WHy do so many izzy tunes if he's not in VR

Sebastian seems to be a nice guy after all, but Scott weiland is almost perfect for Vr...

was baz really an option before they decided to have scott as the frontman.. or was the baz thing just a rumour?

No, he really did jam and record with them... The guys in VR thought it sounded just like Skid Row though so they decided to keep searching. Baz said that he still has the demos...

I'd LOVE to hear those demos! :drool: ;D

so would everyone  :hihi:

woah slow down.

bach is all about himself and axl isnt?

i would much rather have had bach sing and not weiland. i dont cxare how much of a "chick" he is the man is 10000x better a singer than anyone but axl and freddy mercury

Nice and respectful opinion man, but you gotta be realistic, Mercury is no longer alive, and Axl has lost his powerful voice, Scott Weiland is better singer than Axl nowadays, but obviously Axl is much more famous and a legend.

If Bach ended up in VR, I dont think he'd be friends with Axl these days :hihi:

That would be pretty cool, but i just cant picture it. Ive just got the weiland picture stuck in my head to much i just cant :o :P

I think if he'd been in VR it would have given VR a real "cock-rock" kinda flavour...and I think maybe they wanted something a bit more progressive so to speak than that...

But i have to say, i just saw sebastian the other day, and he is pretty cool, and to be honest I'd love to see what slash and he would have cooked up together!!

Baz can act like a dick no doubt but I would have liked to heard what the music would have sounded like.  Somebody needs to bust out those boots...damned hoarders!!  :hihi:

id take baz over scott any day!!

Sebastian is the coolest guy I've never met. I was listening to the Trunk show when he and Axl were on and I knew I'd get along with him so well, I'd love to meet and hang out with the guy.

Bach would have been horrible.  :no:

I wish it would've sound "dated". I'm not a VR fan. I listened to the album {borrowed it from a? friend} and I didn't like it so I didn't buy it. Sebastian is an amazing singer. Scott was a good singer for the STP but not for the former members of Guns N' Roses. The only like good song is "Falll To Peices" which is suited to his voice while the rest is like hard rock songs with a grunge singer and I personally think it sounds bad. I won't buy the next album unless I hear a few songs that knock me off my feet and I know my friend wasn't too pleased with the VR album either. In fact all my friends are or wanted to go to the GNR concert that's coming to my town but I don't think any of them are VR fans. Bach can sing anything. Skid Row's first album was great hair metal. Their second album was like heavy metal and thrash influenced. Their third was more dark and grungy. All were amazing. All had Bach singing.

EDIT: To Carlos: All the reviews I've read and all the live clips I've heard have sounded great so I think Axl's voice is doing fine.

IMO Velvet Revolver tried to cater to modern sounds on contraband... Their were hardly any signature slash solos or riffs... it sounded like some alternative junk... What I want on the next cd is slash to go with what he knows, bluesy hard rock...

reason josh todd was passed on, is the same reason baz was.. they wanted a more modern sound...

I'm glad they picked scott for a couple of reasons,
if they had picked baz, axl would prolly never gotten in touch with that vocal coach in NYC and gotten all the help and support from baz, 'cause they would prolly never talked to each other again,.
if they had picked josh todd, we wouldn't hear from buckcherry again,. (at least for a while)
scott is an ok front man, with a good voice and it seems like scott and the other guys have chemistry..

but the best pick IMO would have been Rod Jackson, at least they should have let him audition for the job

smiley only post........

why are you nervous? :confused: i think rod jackson is a good front man with a better voice then scott  :yes: and "aint life grand" was IMO a better record then "contraband"

I just thought he ruined the snakepit record.. I am nervous because my post just disappeared..  Nazi's   :rant:

Scott is perfect for VR :beer:

You know the rules...

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion except "I agree" or just smileys, please don't post in that thread.  Lot of people find that kind of posts annoying. Smiley only posts are likely to get deleted since they don't contribute anything to the discussions.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=14144.0

Bach is awesome, but they would not have been as successful with him

Sebastian is one of the top 5 best singers all the time, It would be good to see him in Velvet Revolver so we have 2 bands to listen, VR with Scott sorry but sux  :-X

Not even close.

Plus he's a cheesey douchebag that can't write for shit.

Sebastian Bach has to be the most overrated vocalist of all time.

He screams and thats about it


He is as overrated as Paul Stanley is underrated.

I'm curious to know what your top 5 is then, 'cause I find it quite scary that someone would even think about inlcuding Bach in his/her top 5

While I agree that Sebastian does scream from time to time, you can't deny he has a really strong singing voice, just listen to Wasted Time to hear those notes he's hitting! :o


And Paul Stanley is a tool, Kiss in general are overrated.

i agree, i dont think hes overrated, bach is incredible, has an unreal vocal range, and sings with such feeling and passion.? sure he screams, but what makes it so cool is he can go from a flat out gut wrenching scream that clean sounding voice, and then that rough raspy voice, o man i could go on and on.

his voice is what got my attention when i first listened to Skid Row, and i cant get enough of it, so fun to listen to.

as far as him and Velvet Revolver, i think it would have been interesting. but as people said, it would've looked like 80's stars trying to relive past glory. but i say fuck 'em!! i think it would've sounded cool. i love scott but who knows what bach and the GNR boys could've come up with. not to mention that maybe if bach stayed they would've used Izzy's songs!

well, this is one of the funniest things i have read on this board.  that is really saying something.

SB is the most overrated vocalist of all time?  Have you listened to his range?  Surely you cannot deny his vocal ability, unless you have a hearing loss, or simply are lacking in musical taste.  Yes, he screams for parts of songs... but he is METAL, and that is what is called for... it's called conveying emotion.  He also sings crystal clear and can hold and hit high notes like no other singer in the genre today.

Paul Stanley is underrated??   :rofl:  And what, in your world the KISS army doesn't exist? While we're at it, when is the last time Paul wrote something new, btw?  KISS hasn't had a new song, let alone a new album in Forever.
I like KISS, but they need to release something new... and stop with the damn farewell tours. 
Plus,  Paul Stanley doesn't have anywhere near the vocal range of Sebastian Bach.

Sebastian Bach is an excellent singer.  Many people judge him by his cheesey personality rather than his vocal talent.  Also you can't judge him just by a few notes on stage with Axl.  Go listen to songs like Wasted Time, Little Wing, The Most Powerful Man in the World and his cover of Children of the Damned.  If you still don't like him then fair enough, it's your preference...otherwise you are just talking about something you really don't know much about.   :peace:   

this is getting close to going to "The Jungle", reel it in kids.

You have never listened Skid Row am I right?, now thats scary  :hihi: , my top 5 or 6 could be Ozzy, Dio, Robert Plant, Bruce Dickinson, Sebastian Bach and...Axl Rose   :peace:

This is for you guys? :smoking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrZj7Gcp7lk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByM7_pgScQ8&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA3EEmkLcro&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5y-Smq1WE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoKtMVu2Owg

ProTools do wonders, but hes horrible live.

Me too, I'm glad Bach isn't in VR.
Bach has no dignity, no personality. He's Axl's lackey today. And tomorrow, who knows ?

i hope that comparrison is about his voice now and not his voice in the late 80s early 90s.

What??, the last video was taken this year, "By your side" (live : ok:, new album "Angel Down")

I was one of those who thought all Bach did was scream and couldn't understand why people think so highly of him as a vocalist but after seeing new gnr on  Sunday I got to say I was impressed the guy is a hell of a singer. Still would've sucked in VR though because his lyrics arre amongst the cheesiest I've ever heard

Nah don't worry I actually listen to skid row quite a bit and I'm not saying he's a terrible singer, but in your top 5? Guess it's just a matter of opinion 'cause i'll take a singer like Freddie Mercury over bach any day of the week? :beer: