Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.  Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass?  And why is it that the people bashing the shows are trying to tell those of us who were there that we're wrong about how great the shows were and that the crappy internet streams and boots they've seen tell the whole story?  I haven't seen anyone who is a GnR fan who was at a show say a bad thing about it.  Who gives a damn if they play mostly the same songs every night?  They're playing for the people AT the show, not the people listening to or watching boots of every single show online, most of the people in the crowds at the European shows haven't seen GnR in many years, or ever!  If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?  4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

Because its the internet. Moaning is a commodity here.

coz its not very exciting for us to sit at home on the internet and read the same reviews every week.. the same shit... same setlist, solos, same shows.... new gnr should be new gnr songs... not new gnr = old gnr songs.

my advise GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE HOUSE ONCE IN AWHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are the only excuse for that post. DO something about it! 

I agree with you 100% 

This isn't confined to GNR, it happens with every Stones show too - there's always a ton of bitching from people reviewing setlists on the net, but
99% of reviews from people who were actually there are extremely positive. And I've seen it happen with other bands too. It's weird, I guess with the internet and instant access to huge amount of information people start thinking they are closer to the decision making process of bands and are entitled to more say in what happens.

The internet = a million morons who think they are experts and know whats good for other people.

I dont care if they play same setlist at every show.I couldnt wacht em live anyway :'(.get the bootlegs and Watching the videos from this message board for free, is the best thing i could get after all these years :hihi:.why should i complain about??

They dont have to be to enjoy a concert
Hell yes, but only a few like.
If this was any other band id agree with, but Axl's new band (not gnr) have basically sat on their asses for years whilest people like you like to think that Axl is going for "perfection" on this new album. I'll admit he's probably spent  a good amount of time writing and recording probably over 100 songs by now, but it doesnt take 10 years to do that! And then to turn up at concerts and play anywere from 3-6 'new' songs per night. (When really he's had Maddy, the blues, and CD for about 6 years at least). You think that's acceptable as a hardcore fan?

And one last thing, the reason why everyone you talk to says the concerts were great, is because im guessing most of them are pretty hardcore 'gnr' fans like you. Go and talk to the casual fans, becuase those are the people that will make or break Axl's new band, and he wont be lpaying clubs out of choice anymore if he doesnt fuck up.

No concert is gonna suck if your at it.  Whenever you goto a concert, your always going to have fun, especially if the music is heavy which GnR is.  Thats why people at the concerts say they have had such a good time.

i agree with you
i had never bashedAxl and the band,i liked them,but i was sceptic about newgnr
But in budapest i had a better time than i excepted,and only i could said "New guitarists are amazing and finck is real leader and Slash time is gone"

I was surrounded by people who were NOT hardcore GNR fans at the Hammerstein on the 15th.  They actually were unhappy to hear the new songs because they didnt' know them.  These are the people who go to most of the shows.  They WANT to hear the old music, because the have never heard the Blues or Madagascar, nevermind this year's leaks.  There are far more people out there who have never heard even one bootleg then there are 'hardcore' GNR fans.

And they all were blown away by the show afterwards and loved it.

who cares for setlist,when you hear aoetite and illusions stuff you'll gona be crazy!!!
After "you know where you are"  iwas singing and jumping all the shows!!!
Old stuff gave me the bestparty in my life

New gnr could play 15 new song and 5 old and people would bitch that they dont play enough old songs  ::)

This is a great thread and I agree with ShotgunBlues1978 completely.

People have to remember that they are doing a tour without an album so ofcourse they are gonna play the old stuff so they can save most of the new stuff for when the album comes out...also, people are going to have to get used to the new line-up so when the album comes out people are not wondering who are those guys playing with Axl.  Make sense...it does to me.

Yep, that's about right.

When the band comes through their neck of the woods, they'll be the first ones to be going on and on about how great the show was, too. Pay them no mind.

I went to three shows in NYC.  I loved every single one of them, and HATED the solos at every single one of them, INCLUDING the "Beautiful" solo.  I've said this a million times:  For those people who said the solos "kicked ass," they have a short memory.  You can hear a pin drop in the crowd, and they completely stop the momentum of the show. 

Other than that, when Axl is out there singin', I (and everyone else I was with) thought the shows were phenomenal, regardless of the setlist.

People - Just quit trying to convince yourselves that people "love" these solos.  They don't.  Look around next time you're at the concert.

(Oh - and save the "But Axl needs to take a break, that's what they're for."  Understood.  That doesn't mean that it's enjoyable.

Exactly. When I get to see GNR in July, I couldn't care less about the setlist. I'm just glad to see this amazing band, and enjoy whatever songs they play.

I don't think anyone is saying that the crowd "loved" the solos, but I've noticed that the solos are a bigger deal to the bashers who weren't even there and are whining about setlists and everything else.  At least at the Hammerstein shows there was no drum solo  :hihi:

At the 2002 shows, the Buckethead solo rocked and the crowd enjoyed it, the new solos aren't as good but let me put it this way, I have no problem with the solos if GnR is going to play for 2 and a half hours every night like they've been doing

I can't stand the bitching either. When Guns N' Roses were gone for a while, people were bitching about how they weren't showing up anywhere. Now that they are here, people are bitching about songs, band members, etc. People will never be satisfied. :-\

why does it bother you if someone hates a specific show?? I liked the NY show I was at, the 17th,? thought RIO sucked, I wasn't there, but I still thought it sucked...

and your assertion that a journalist gives GNR a bad review becuase they aren't fans is just moronic.

Why does everyone think eveyr reviewer has something against Axl,   get outside this board and realize no one else cares

You're one of the primary people bitching about everything.  You've devoted way more time to talking about how this isn't Guns N Roses and how much Rio sucked and how the setlists suck than the praise of the show you actually attended.  You were on here bitching about Rio and trying to act like your take on the shitty stream that you watched was more valid than the take of the people who were actually AT the show

And you're also going back on your own words.  Here you say that the press doesn't have anything against Axl and the new band, and that "nobody cares", but you started a thread about how Chinese Democracy would get slammed because the press won't accept the new band.  For the record I never said that every reviewer has something against Axl.  A lot of the reviews were very positive.  The fan reaction has been tremendous.  But every time there's one negative review, there's a shitstorm with people like you talking about how a couple negative reviews, probably written by journalists who aren't even GnR fans, prove that the new band is a letdown  :hihi:

The haters go to a GNR show wanting to hate it, and they're too weak to admit that GNR *does* put on a kickass show. I don't care who you are, or what kind of music you like, I fail to see how you can go to a GNR concert and not have a blast. I know it's the most fun I've ever experienced...

I have, and I think you're wrong. I've seen people, just casual music listeners, get so mad at Axl it sounds like he's personally abused them or something. They simply love to hate him. Axl is one of those people that is very well known, and almost everyone's got an opinion of him. And usually it's either of the highest praise or utter disgust.

Not all of us are that shallow. When GNR comes to my "neck of the woods" in September, I will give an honest review of the performance. If I like it, I will praise it. If not, then I will say so. Just because someone reviewing one of these shows isn't worshipping the setlist and writing a love letter to Finck in their review doesn't mean their opinion should be ignored.

Yeah,

I wrote a positive review about the New York shows and my New York expierience, but my review of the next show will be a dissapointed one if he doesn't do at least 6-10 new songs, I can accept him not wanting to do a lot of new material now, because it looks as though we won't have CD until November, but if in Sep + Oct he is still doing 80% old material and THE SAME old material, I won't be as please with the show. The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

I have always thought that. Hell, even in 2002 they were likely dying to play it. The songs we've heard so far kick ass, and some of the songs are just as good(in some cases better) than the old material. They have been loyal to Axl for many years. He needs to let them shine and to show the world what these guys were capable of doing.

I agree with you completely, but I'll let him do a world tour with 80% old material mainly because he only did like 10 shows in 2002, if his goal is to get the name back out there, then what he is doing right now is fine. Soon his goal has to be to let the new band stand on its OWN music, and we'll see if that happens, I think it will, in my opinion he should release C.D within the next 30-60 days then have his fall U.S tour be in support of it....... but, we'll see what happens.

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I'll be surprised if they don't add at least one or two more illusion tracks to the setlist by the end of Europe, I hope we see Rhiad and the Bedouins too sometime.

I would agree with you( and Intensity) that for this particular moment in time, the setlist might be ok, even though I would prefer that its different. Without CD out, he has to tour on the past. Playing a few CD songs is good, and does give people who haven't heard that stuff a small taste. But Axl also has to take into consideration that the people first in line to buy tickets to these shows are more interested in CD, not AFD. But like Intensity said, its ok for now. I would hate to see a show this AFD heavy, but the setlist wont derail the tour now. Its when we get closer to fall when it will play a role in how successful the tour is.

Yea, being a long time fan and follower of CD a song here and there is never enough. But to be fair, there are plenty of people who go to these concerts that do want the classics. Even when they are touring CD there will be the old stuff - its the nature of having such success in the past. Even artists like Neil Young who put out strong material most albums still do songs they released 30 years ago when touring for them.

I was pretty bummed at first this wasnt going to be a Chin. Dem. tour, but you know what? The players are there, theyre happy, they are doing some new stuff and we have a release window in the near future. Its enough for me for now.

Best time in the last 13 years to be a GnR fan  :beer:




Me too, Rhiad rocks   :hihi:

Well of course the hardcore fans spending half of their day here listening alot to the leaks think that they are old but really we are just a small % of the crowd and of course it's starts to seem old for us when we look at the setlist but I don't think Axl is there to please us internet readers who know everything :P


All it takes is patience,
Just a little patience
Is all you need

 :)

Try about a billion or more.  :yes:

My comments, for what they're worth...

More new songs and people will complain that they're not playing enough old materials. And Vice versa..... 

The Blues, Madagascar... are NEW songs, like it or not. They haven't been released yet!  and think about it, even once these arre officially out, are you going to call them old songs? (doesn't matter if they've been ready for 6 years, people outside this board have not heard them) . These songs are going to be new songs for quite a while.

The reaction of the crowd after hearing these new songs at Hammerstein was kinda cold the 1st night but got much warmer by the 4th show (at least from where I was standing)

The solos sucked. Plain and simple. It's been said: you could hear a pin drop, most people found them boring, and to the contrary of many people on the board, I heard several people in the crowd asking where is Slash...

It seems to me that the order of the setlist changes slightly between shows. Granted, the songs are the same, but check out other bands and that what they all do (yes, there are exceptions... so take these for what they are: exceptions, and GNR is not one of them)


Last one: what's the deal with Rhiad and the Bedouins?  I heard this song from the 01.01.01 boot and it sucks big time. Maybe it's just the sound quality (i seriously doubt it) but that song is horrible and it was played then. If people who like it have a new version that rocks, please post it in Appetite for Collection. If not, can someone explain?....

Fantastic post.  I wholeheartedly agree.  I haven't been able to see them yet unfortunately, hopefully when they hit the states in the fall.  I love all I've heard so far, couldn't be happier,  It's a shame so many people are being so negative.  But, to each his own.  We're all allowed our own opinions.