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everyone constantly say Axl and GNR are starting their shows late? I see it in reviews, I see it on these message boards. In New York GNR hit the stage every night between 11 and midnight. That's pretty consistent, and as someone who was at the show and been to many, many concerts, there is rarely a listing at what time the show starts. There is only a listing of what time the doors open (in New York it was 7:30). With that said, I've been following the oversease shows here on the board and it appears that the band again is hitting the stage between 11 and midnight (overseas time anyway). So what's the deal? If the band is consistent, then there is no lateness. This isn't like work for christ's sake where it's mandatory that you're there at a certain time. It's a fucking concert, so who is to arbitrarily say the band is late. If they keep going on at the same time, then they are not late!
And personally, I think Axl is doing this on purpose. Hell, I want to see a late night concert, and I think Axl wants to paly a late night concert.
That's my two cents anyway.

Um, actually it is like work.

That's how the venue see it.  You know people who work at the venue such as security, catering staff, parking attendents, riggers, managers, cleaners, office staff, etc all want to go home when they usually do.  Transport such as buses, trains, tubes and taxis all close at certain times too.

Yeah it would be nice for them to play a little earlier, but they are consistent so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone by now.  Show up around 10:30 and you should be all set. 

The show usually starts around 7
We go onstage around 9
Get on the bus about 11
Sippin' a drink and feelin' fine.

You know GNR is going to start late, thats just how it is.  Fuck ,... on the 15th at Hammerstein BFMV went out on at 8:30 and were off by 9:15, GNR didnt come on until about 11:05.  No big deal, as long as they show up

they're aren't late, gn'r is the the after hours bar of bands, and for the people that work at venues tough shit, ive worked at clubs, and you never know when you get to go home, and if you have to be home by midnight, you probably should stay home, or go see eddie money or somethin...

Thank you, that's what I"m saying. And if you want to say it is like work, then fine. But they're they bosses. They are the ones who call the shots. The promoters, vendors, etc. just say show up and play on such and such a date. There is no time, and if they're going on at the same time every night, then they've set the time (if that makes sense). Now if they start going on at 2 a.m., OK, then I'd say they were two hours late. But until then . . . .

How? Only a very small portion of concert goers visit these boards. People who don't come here or have the internet have know idea what's going happening. So I don't see why they should be expected to know about this just because Axl can't get on stage at the right time.

Again, what is the right time. If he keeps going on at 11, then that's the right time. The reviewers will eventually get this, and so will the fans. I'll grant you that it is going to take a couple of shows. But, for example, I went to the second New York show. I asked around beforehand and learned got the times for when the opening band went on and when GNR hit the stage. A LOT of people did this, because we all jammed the door around 10 p.m. The same thing the next night. Everyone realized that Axl wasn't going on until 11 p.m. or so. This will happened eventually on the Eurpoean tour, but because they're jumping countries, it's going to take a little while.

Hmmm, I don't remember my ticket saying, "GNR will take the stage at --:-- time."  Until it does, go with the flow.   : ok:

Complaining about the start time just tells me alot of folks are getting old!  Grandpa Simpson from The Simpsons comes to mind.  ;)

Now about the poor workers working overtime...not only are they probably getting paid overtime, alot of them dug the show!  I was there May 12th, and this big brotha working security had a big smile on his face up in Mezz2 after the show saying to me, "That was one hell of a show!"

   

Most contracts ought to specify a time by which the band has to hit the stage. ?Hence the reason why the first gig of the 2002 tour was pulled. ?And hence one reason why Axl is constantly renegotiating late fees. ?The other reason ought to pertain to local curfews.

Personally, I expect them to start playing around 11:00pm or 12:00am. ?So, it's not until 1:00am when I consider them to be late. ?I'm sure the promoters have a different idea in mind, though. ?

That being said, I'm forever thankful GN'R didn't hit the stage until 3:30am at HOB, 'cause I didn't even find the venue until about 2:00am (despite the 1:00am promotion). ?God love 'em.

No one wants to stand in a venue waiting for a show that starts "sometime in the next two hours....probably". When they are sheduled to go on stage at 10 and they go on at 11-12 it makes them late. Just because they're late all the time doesn't mean it isn't late. Just because you always go to work at 10 when you're scheduled to go at 9 doesn't mean you're not late. It means you're fired.

Wait, though, part of my point is that who says they are going on stage at 10 p.m. It's always ASSUMED that they're going on at 10, but never stated. I agree if you slide into work at 10 a.m. when you should be there at 9 a.m. then you're late. But (and I'm assuming here) your boss tells you to come in at 9 a.m. No where does it say GNR is going in on 10 p.m. It just says the doors open at  . . .  and the show is on such and such a date.

Communist China takes Axl to Trump's boardroom..."Axl, you've been late one too many times, Axl, I hate to have to do this because I think you're a very talented guy...Axl you're fired!"

Where did your ticket say 10 o'clock?  Mine didn't.  :no:

^^ and ^

Fine, it's not late to be after ten. It's late to go on over an hour after your opener has finished. Which is what they are, night after night.

C. China, it really isn't anything new.  I saw GNR in '92 in Buffalo.  I have no idea how long it was between Matallica and GNR...but it was a loooong time!  Did we mind?  Hell no.   :beer:
We had a great time.  My 2nd show was Boston '02, and I got a kick out of the guys behind us who appeared very nervous and kept talking about how Axl might not show up.  The show went past the time public transit was running.  We had to pay for a cab, but damn it was a blast!  Forward to the Hammerstein, May 12.  A friend of mine coming along was convinced the show would be starting around 10...I tried to tell him!   :hihi:

C. China, have you been to any of the shows?

^ As was presented earlier, the people working their might not feel the same way about shows going past the public transports time. Is Axl paying for their cabs? I don't think so.

C. China, well, there is a cost to everything in life.  Nobody's saying you have to stay for the whole concert.  For those folks at the show, if the extra $10 or $15 per person for a cab is too steep, well, yeah, unfortunately, you're gonna miss out on Night Train and Paradise City.  It's a rock concert.  Have some fun with your buddies.   :peace:

again, have you been to any of the shows?

hell, people working late get more money or overtime. I work late all the time. The fact of the matter is, if the show doesn't say GNR comes on at 10 or 11 or hwatever, then there is no start time. That means tehy can come on whenever they want and it can't be considered late. But since they contineu to come on at the same time - about 11 or midnight, then they set the norm. Therefore, only after midnight are they considered late.

Unless there is a listed time that they should hit stage, i don't think they should be considered "late".

Axl Rose will hit the stage when he fucking wants to.

You know why...? Because he's a fucking rock star. A REAL rock star. Not your "flavour of the month" wannabe...

Personally, I wouldn't have him any other way............

The lateness thing is bullshit, pure and simple.  I understand that, so that's why I choose not to go to a GnR concert, because I'm too old for that shit.  I'm sure a lot of casual fans though, don't realize how late he will be. 

People have kids and jobs, or sometimes they are bringing their kids to the concert!  And every city is not New York, some places it can be very difficult to find transportation home at a late hour.  And good point, someone mentioned all the people that work at the venue, that's a big cleanup job after, why should they have to do it 2 hours after they were supposed to? 

And the big wait between opener and headliner?  Fuck that!  That would drive me crazy.  I don't know what part of Axl's pathological personality disorder makes him inable to be on time but it's inexcusable. 

Hell fucking yeah, that's what I've been trying to articulate.
Thanks.

But it's not a "lateness thing." If everyone knows he comes on at 11 or midnight, then that's the time you show up.. It's your call whether to go to the show. Yes, I know that doesn't help uf you need to go to work the next day, or have kids, etc. But that's how it is.
Look at it like a kick ass midnight movie.

Just read a great review of Pearl Jam doin a show here in the MYC area at coninental arena across the river in NJ, what struck me was the venue tried to be the ones who said when the show was over, apparently they have a 11pm curfew, so they threw on the houselights, and eddie vedder and comp, didnt stop thier, they kept playing, did something like 7 tunes . lol So why do people give axl shit, I thnk other bands are trying to emulate GNR  and give a fuck you to the suites that think they can control ROCKN ROLL, and how concerts shoould go and contraints.

See thing is axl has always been that way, from the days in the clubs, to ow. FOr awhile bands got pussy whipped by the companies and corpirations. And conformed tot he rules. SO not RNR!

Axl is back and Rock is getting a kick in the ass again, and the suites are now seeing rebleion again even from other artists who comand the audience, and bands feed off audiences .

IF your so damn worried about your own life and work and time, personally I dont think you should go to a rock concert, cause these have always been for the fans , the young at heart the fearless. NOt about a band giving a fuck when you have to be at work or about caring aboutr your responsiblility, thats your shit man.

A bands responibility is to fuckng rock out and give people who want to expierence it a greeat time and show.


Read this review of Peal Jam:http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/64612.htm


June 3, 2006 -- BY the 30th song - well- past the 11 p.m. curfew at the Meadowlands Arena - Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder won a battle of wills with the hall's management, which attempted to tell the Seattle band when its concert was over by turning on the house lights.........................................


Thats RNR!!!!!!!

ANd you have to thank Axl and GNR for briging attitute about shows for that!

Bit of a difference trying to compare a show that most likely started around 9 and pushed on to 12 with a show that often doesn't start till 11 something and sometimes pushes till almost 2. People would not complain a bit if Axl played until around 12, as that is not that unreasonable time-wise for someone who has to work the next morning. It is when you don't leave the venue until well past 1 that most normal, non-message board people lose their patience or get grumpy.

Long story short is that Axl either figures out how to move up his body clock to think that 9:30-10 is like 12, or he lives with the fact he will get universally shitty reviews from critics who are pissed off about the wait until GNR goes on. The choice is entirely his, but it is retarded to sabatoge your reviews and casual fans perceptions of the shows because they were pissed about the long wait until they went on stage.

PERception becomes reality, and truth is for years this has been argued about , as far as GNR.

When I was 21 and saw GNR at MSg for the 3 shows they did there, the tix said "around 8pm". They didnt go on till midnight and I believe it was almost 1am at oine of the shows. Mind you I had a job to go to and stuff to do, but ya know what, it was all worth it, and after it was over and it was almsot 3am, all I took from it was how fuckng kick ass expiernece it was. And truth is I would do it all over!. WEl I guess I still do at 36!

Let's separate things here, one thing is the local band stick it to the hall's management, like Vedder did, and another arrive wherever they (he) want(s). I wouldn't have a problem with this if it were 1988, but it's 2006 and things aren't exactly the same. ?

I dunno man, dont know what to tell you, in the foreseable future I dont see GNR conforming . I supose those so strongly offended by thier actions shouldnt bother buying tix to shows. And as things are goin Im sure someone else will be there to take that tix.And Im not even trying to be rude or mean or insensitive, but like I said this hasw been argued for yrs, and apparently this time around the band is doin these shows on thier trems and are happy at the audience reponse(when in the end thast all that matters), not some critic who got pissed off he(she) had to be up late.

i dont care when he hits the stage.

just dont make us get i the venue that early.

people don't go to nightclubs at 10pm. they go at 1 am cause that's when it starts.

so if axl wanna play at 11pm, tell the audience to get in at 10.30 and fuck the opening band :-;-)

Almost all concert I have seen has been delayed ca 2 hours!

You know that's part of the job.. Have you ever worked on festivals or concerts? Well I can tell you from experience that you don't have any specified working hours. You work till the show ends and sometimes it ends earlier and sometimes later but the main point is that if you had ever worked on concert or festival you would know that there is really isn't anykind of schedule and Im 100% sure the people working there know it too..

That's really not the point, that there is no set "end time" for the job.  Your job ends when the show ends and GnR's show's are ending one, two hours after they are supposed to.  So say you run a food stand or a merch shop at the venue, are you paying your employees extra hours because the band is holding everything up? 

If Axl was honest about it, he would schedule shows in places that would allow him to advertise an 11pm start time.  The big venues would not let him do that of course, so, less money for the band.  And less people buying tickets for a late-advertised show.  There is no rational way to defend this, so I don't know why you are trying. 

waiting 2 hours for axl to hit the stage still isnt as boring as sitting thru those horrid drum solos and guitar solos

I wish just 1 time he would be hours late and everyone would leave...that would be hilarious :rofl:

how freakin true